Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Dear Sanjay, You wrote: margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-family:Georgia;mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family: "Arial Unicode MS";color:blue;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application of intelligence in dharma. Georgia;mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> text-align:justify;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and guru’s placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile this to Kumbha’s lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiter’s vision and obstruct his path like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all philosophical? Or is such dhi shakti capable of being affected by Saturn or Rahu? text-align:justify;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">Best regards, text-align:justify;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">Sarbani yes"> margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-family:Georgia;mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family: "Arial Unicode MS";color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> Georgia;mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-family:Georgia;mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family: "Arial Unicode MS";color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> Georgia;mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> |Om Tat Sat| "Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> http://www.varahamihira Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. windowtext"> color:black"> "Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Dear Sarbani, If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are done by one who has Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as well as external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external manifestation of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars. One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of his/her religious experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas those with Saturn will rarely reveal what they have experienced. Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point of view and sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning. Chandrashekhar. - Sarbani Sarkar vedic astrology ; varahamihira Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sanjay, You wrote: [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application of intelligence in dharma. One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and guru’s placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile this to Kumbha’s lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiter’s vision and obstruct his path like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all philosophical? Or is such dhi shakti capable of being affected by Saturn or Rahu? Best regards, Sarbani |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Your use of Groups is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar, Garamond">That’s an interesting point about Mars and Saturn. I agree with you, but I was trying to fine-tune the point regarding Saturn. Saturn does not reveal, yes. Saturn pertains to meditation, yes. But could Saturn’s “unrevealed” spiritual practice be negative? It was a just a question which arose in a discussion with someone on guru in kumbha…could there be another way of looking at it? One that is not so positive? Best regards, mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Sarbani mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Garamond"> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Monday, May 12, 2003 12:37 AM To: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Dear Sarbani, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are done by one who has Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as well as external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external manifestation of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of his/her religious experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas those with Saturn will rarely reveal what they have experienced. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point of view and sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning. windowtext"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Chandrashekhar. margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">----- Original Message ----- margin-left:3.75pt;background:#E4E4E4;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> Sarbani Sarkar Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">vedic astrology ; varahamihira font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Subject: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">Dear Sanjay, solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">You wrote: margin-left:7.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding: 0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-family:Georgia;mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family: "Arial Unicode MS";color:blue;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application of intelligence in dharma. Georgia;mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> margin-left:3.75pt;text-align:justify;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and guru’s placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile this to Kumbha’s lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiter’s vision and obstruct his path like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all philosophical? Or is such dhi shakti capable of being affected by Saturn or Rahu? margin-left:3.75pt;text-align:justify;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">Best regards, margin-left:3.75pt;text-align:justify;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">Sarbani yes"> margin-left:7.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding: 0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> margin-left:7.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding: 0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> margin-left:7.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding: 0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> |Om Tat Sat| "Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> http://www.varahamihira Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. windowtext"> margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black"> "Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> "Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> windowtext"> color:black"> "Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Namaste Mine is pieces lagna & lagna lord jupiter is in kumbha(12th place). Any comments welcome!! Thanks Raji Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, That’s an interesting point about Mars and Saturn. I agree with you, but I was trying to fine-tune the point regarding Saturn. Saturn does not reveal, yes. Saturn pertains to meditation, yes. But could Saturn’s “unrevealed” spiritual practice be negative? It was a just a question which arose in a discussion with someone on guru in kumbha…could there be another way of looking at it? One that is not so positive? Best regards, Sarbani Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 12:37 AMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sarbani, If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are done by one who has Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as well as external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external manifestation of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars. One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of his/her religious experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas those with Saturn will rarely reveal what they have experienced. Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point of view and sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning. Chandrashekhar. - Sarbani Sarkar vedic astrology ; varahamihira Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sanjay, You wrote: [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application of intelligence in dharma. One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and guru’s placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile this to Kumbha’s lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiter’s vision and obstruct his path like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all philosophical? Or is such dhi shakti capable of being affected by Saturn or Rahu? Best regards, Sarbani |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Your use of Groups is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Dear Shri Chandrashekharji Namaskar >>>>If I may interrupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn. Saturn is a planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with Jupiter (Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested in the dhyana of religion<<<<< This is just to say that you are spot on with your observation. I have Saturn in Kumbha (Mooltrikona) in the 5th house aspecting Jupiter in 2nd house (Tula Lagna). Atma Prakashatma (AT) aprakash (DOT) freeserve.co.uk - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Sunday, May 11, 2003 8:06 PM Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sarbani, If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are done by one who has Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as well as external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external manifestation of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars. One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of his/her religious experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas those with Saturn will rarely reveal what they have experienced. Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point of view and sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning. Chandrashekhar. - Sarbani Sarkar vedic astrology ; varahamihira Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sanjay, You wrote: [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application of intelligence in dharma. One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and guru’s placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile this to Kumbha’s lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiter’s vision and obstruct his path like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all philosophical? Or is such dhi shakti capable of being affected by Saturn or Rahu? Best regards, Sarbani |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Your use of Groups is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Om Suragurubrihaspataye Namah Dear Sanjay, Garamond">Thank you for taking the time and giving us this long exposition on Lagna, Arudha Lagna, Paka Lagna and their karakatwas, namely, Sun, Moon and Jupiter. What you say is perfectly comprehensible and you have cleared my doubts. Jupiter in Kumbha is tricky. Though Guru will grant all the knowledge and can produce the best of philosophers when placed in Kumbha, it has to protect itself from the malefic effects of Saturn constantly and face the obstruction from Rahu. It is like a natal or congenital defect that it carries with itself when placed in this sign. The effect of this maleficence and obstructions will depend on the bhava placement of Aquarius and its lords. So, for people with Jupiter in Aquarius, the protection of the dhi becomes very crucial. Like a baby it has to be nurtured and protected, and especially during difficult transits and dashas. Varahamihira speaks well of Jupiter in Kumbha and likens it to its placement in Cancer, but Kalyana Verma is quite clear that such a placement will make the native malicious, devoid of intelligence, ill disposed and interested in evil jobs. Santhanam’s comments are interesting. He says that Jupiter in Kumbha will surely give the good results of Cancer but in addition, it “suffers the Saturnine stigma”. He also gives the results of Jupiter in Kumbha for each of the Ascendants and the results vary, but for Aquarius lagna, Jupiter’s placement will mature the adverse effects, indicated by Kalyana Verma. Most astrology books including the Suka Nadi hold Jupiter to be a paapa graha for Kumbha Lagna. I suppose that’s where the prescription of the single bow to the trident holder comes into play. yes"> To summarize, Santhanam speaks of mixed results and you are saying that Jupiter in Kumbha needs to be protected and guarded from Saturn and Rahu almost constantly; otherwise the dhi will be misused, obfuscated or lost. yes"> Garamond"> Best regards, mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Sarbani mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Garamond"> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> Sanjay Rath [srath (AT) srath (DOT) com] Monday, May 12, 2003 12:39 PM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha 12.0pt"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:red">||Om brihaspataye namah|| mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Dear Chandrasekhar ji, Sarbani & Raji (can I call you that) & Jyotisha, mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Garamond;mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:black">A deeper understanding of Lagna, Paka & AL mso-color-alt:windowtext"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">The progress of Jupiter through signs has been given vital importance in Jyotish as man is a spiritual being having material experiences and this interaction between the atma and the body occurs through the paka lagna for which the karaka (significator) is Jupiter. Jupiter filters the thoughts that send impulses to the atma and the atma replies. Jupiter is the real representative of God as he does the filtering and cleansing of thoughts because of which the atma is capable of continued existance within the body. If Jupiter did not do the filtering and cleansing of thoughts and all were allowed to be experienced by the atma, then every soul that has incarnated as the selfish human being form will die within a few years. It is for this reason that Jupiter gives long life and is capable of averting apamrityu and all sorts of evils and is a karaka for so many houses..all good houses. windowtext"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Have you wondered as to why Maharishis could live for a thousand years and we mortals stay for a few decades. It is the strength of their Jupiter. This is the mark of intelligence and God is defined in Jyotish as the supreme intelligence. Not when Jupiter proceeds through the zodiac, there are two planets that have the lordship over the Tara (stars literally and implying the nakshatra). The *real* or *legitimate* lord is Jupiter or God as He alone has the supreme intelligence and the *illegitimate* lord is the Moon. At any point of time, both Jupiter and Moon try their level best to influence the lagna (individual intelligence). The Moon shows the active conscious mind that is drawing various impulses from the interaction of the senses and sense oegans and is passing this information with the filter of desire (what impulses it liked and what it considered as not so good and what are bad) to the lagna through the Arudha Lagna for which it is the Karaka. Similtaneously Jupiter who knows everything having the memory of billions of years of existance of life on earth knows what impulse gives what action and finally what karmic results, and like the wise minster/compassionate and kind God, advises the lagna through the Paka lagna (for which it is the karaka). mso-color-alt:windowtext"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Now that the lagna has got the input from the Moon through its desire filter and from Jupiter through its memory, supreme intelligence and goodness filter, the lagna has to take a decision. The lagna (individual intelligence) takes millions of decisions everyday. The Lagna consults its own intelligence, own memory and own nature (Sun Karaka) and arrives at a decision. Most of the time the decision is not perfect as the Sun lacks the supreme goodness of Jupiter and has an element of 'ahamkara' associated with its intelligence. More often the lagna tends to approve the decisions of the Moon (conscious mind) ignoring the good advise of Jupiter. Not that the Moon always gives bad advise, but its vision is very limited and sometimes it is in harmony with that from Jupiter and at other times, it is in sakata and other relations with Jupiter. The best situation is one called Gajakesari. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Garamond;mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:black">Jupiter in signs & stars windowtext"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Keeping in mind that Jupiter is to represent the supreme intelligence, let us examine its position is some signs. In Kumbha Jupiter will be in a situation where Guru Brihaspati (Jupiter) is teaching Saturn (lord of Aquarius) about how to do his work (Aquarius is Moolatrikona of Saturn). mso-color-alt:windowtext"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">For this we consult the Purana where Saturn wanted to learn the dharma shastra and approached Brihaspati. Initially Brihaspati explained the system in his ashram and the dakshina would be based on his judgment. On learning of the latters identity as 'Sanideva' Brihaspati was shocked and was prepared to teach everything and would not take any dakshina and begged that he be spared from sade-sati, kanataka and all those effects. Sanidev was adamant and insisted that he would give dakshina. So it was finally settled that the dakshina would be in the form of a reduced term of sadesati. Brihaspati taught him all the dharma shastra and Sanidev became the Dharmaraja having the complete knowledge of the implementation of justice (that is why the balance Libra is the ninth house from Aquarius). Brihaspati knew that Sani would pay his dakshina within the year as was the practise then, and as was his practise, always protected his body, mind and soul with the three mantras of the Narayana Kavacha. One day as he plucked flowers for his daily worship, the royal couple were in the neighbourhood and the prince (Mercury) entered the garden to play. The prince was missing after sometime and a frantic search yeilded nothing. The guards reported to the king that a divine person, glowing with spiritual light was collecting flowers and they saw blood dripping through the basket. The king ordered that the person (Brihaspati) be brought to him and told the guards not to harm him as it would be most unwise to even touch such a personality before ascertaining the truth. The wise king knew the danger to his kingdom if such great spiritual personalities are hurt. The severed head of the prince was in the basket and blood was dripping from the neck (note: chinna mastaka or cut-head is the mark of Rahu). Brihaspati was shocked and truthfully pleaded his innocense. But the evidence clearly visible pointed against him, so he was held captive but was not tortured and the search continued. Brihaspati realised that this was the effect of his sade-sati saturn and made a silent prayer to the deity of saturn (Lord Shiva here as the great destroyer {One vesha is Nataraja - the destroyer of the demon Maya or illusion and untruth). The period ended then and there and suddenly everyone saw that what looked like the head of the prince was just the watermelon and the red fluid was not blood and instead was the red water melon juice. The prince was found... mso-color-alt:windowtext"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black">Now look at the Jyotish lessons in this: Garamond;mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">(1) When Saturn causes sade-sati, or kantaka or has a bad dasa, and the dosha (error) is to be caused by the hand of extra-terrestrial forces, then it is called 'Adrista agantuta roga'. Prasna Marga advises us to look at the badhak for this (as the object or the cause). For the signs of Jupiter, Mercury is the badhak lord (Pisces - Virgo badhak, lord Merc and Sagittarius - Gemini badhak, lord Merc). That why the problem cause was related to Mercury the PRINCE. This can also be related to planets in badhak house. The difference is that in the case of badhak lord, we take the natual significations whereas in the case of planets in the badhak house, we see the lordships of there planets w.r.t. lagna. mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">(2) The *visible* or produced evidence against Jupiter shall be seen from Rahu. In general Rahu indicates a severed head, and that evidence was shown to the king against Brihaspati. Look at the sign occupied by Rahu to see the nature of the evidence as dhatu, moola and jiva as well as the the chara karaka status of Rahu. The Arudha Padas conjoined Rahu shall indicate the people who will give the evidence. mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">(3) Parasara teaches that if Jupiter is strong and alone in Lagna, then a single bow to the weilder of the Trishula shall destroy a thousand sins. In this episode narrated in the Purana we see how such a prayer (to the lord of Sani - Vayu tatva- Lord Shiva) by Brihaspati ended the entire problem. mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">(4) Kalyana Verma teaches that if Jupiter is strong in Lagna then the native is always protected by the 'Chakradhara'. In this episode we see how Brihaspati is always proteced by the three mantras of the Narayana Kavacha. This is the abhedana kavacha. mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black">The Intelligence application mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Intelligence is that which guides the mind in a direction that protects (trai) it from any harm to mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> 1) the body (Tana) like apamrityu, mrityu, roga etc, this is called Tantra as composed of Tana & trai windowtext"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> 2) the mind(mana) or itself from various mental turmoil and diseases and is called Mantra as composed of Mana & Trai and, mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> 3) the soul from of further sin by restraining it (Yantri) by the use of mystical diagrams and other symbolic apparatus/ instruments and the process of prana-pratistha etc. windowtext"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Coming to the point of how this intelligence works, a lot depends on what the lagna is when Jupiter is in Aquairus. In general the traits of Saturn's office as detatched thinking, ignoring pain and suffering and viewing this with the eyes of a stoic, pondering beyond known limits for any serious question thereby arriving at very original solutions etc. Sometimes they may seem most cold blooded as this can be caused by their ability to supress and ignore pain (like Rambo in the movie). Saturn is an old planet and Jupiter in this sign indicates the intelligence used is like that of old men - with lots of experience, memory, philosophy and thinking going into it. The ability to ponder causes Brahma yoga and the best of philosophers, scientists, mathematical genius minds (not computation ability but astract mathematics) are shown in this sign with the influence of Jupiter. Because of the nodal influence (rebirth-Rahu/Saturn & death/moksha -Mars& Ketu), Juiter in Aquarius or Scorpio gives considerable ability for astrology. The big difference with Capricorn is that the Saturn is a worker and is bad at home. His worst qualities show up when he is at home. That is why he likes to go away from home (gets digbala in 7th house), is very down to eath and demands total physical evidence of the existance of God and things like that. The intellect refuses to believe anything or anybody without at least adequate circumstantial evidence whereas Aquarius is an airy sign and is very intellectual. Jupiter here gives the ability to mentally exert themselves...you have to think in these lines to fully understand the effect of th various navamsas in Aquarius etc. mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">With best wishes & regards, mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">I remain mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Sanjay Rath mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">-------- mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Tel:+91-674-2436871, Webpages: mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">http://srath.com mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">-------- -----Original Message----- Rajeswari Shankar [rajeswarishankar ] Monday, May 12, 2003 4:21 AM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Hi List, Namaste Mine is pieces lagna & lagna lord jupiter is in kumbha(12th place). Any comments welcome!! Thanks Raji Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: 0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">Dear Chandrashekhar, 0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;border:none; mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">Thats an interesting point about Mars and Saturn. I agree with you, but I was trying to fine-tune the point regarding Saturn. Saturn does not reveal, yes. Saturn pertains to meditation, yes. But could Saturns unrevealed spiritual practice be negative? It was a just a question which arose in a discussion with someone on guru in kumbhacould there be another way of looking at it? One that is not so positive? 0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> Garamond;color:#993366">Best regards, 0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> Garamond;color:#993366"> 0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> Garamond;color:#993366">Sarbani 0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black"> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Monday, May 12, 2003 12:37 AM To: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha 0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black"> mso-color-alt:windowtext"> 0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">Dear Sarbani, 0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are done by one who has Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as well as external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external manifestation of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars. 0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of his/her religious experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas those with Saturn will rarely reveal what they have experienced. 0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point of view and sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning. 0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">Chandrashekhar. auto;margin-left:7.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">----- Original Message ----- auto;margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> Sarbani Sarkar auto;margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> auto;margin-left:7.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">vedic astrology ; varahamihira font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> auto;margin-left:7.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM auto;margin-left:7.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Subject: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> auto;margin-left:7.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 0in;margin-left:7.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 0in;margin-left:7.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">Dear Sanjay, 0in;margin-left:7.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 0in;margin-left:7.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">You wrote: auto;margin-left:11.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-family:Georgia;mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family: "Arial Unicode MS";color:blue;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application of intelligence in dharma. Georgia;mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> auto;margin-left:7.5pt;text-align:justify;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and gurus placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile this to Kumbhas lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiters vision and obstruct his path like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all philosophical? 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Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Namaste, Thanks a lot for such a wonderful article!!!!!!!!!. Thanks & Regards Raji Sanjay Rath <srath (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote: ||Om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Chandrasekhar ji, Sarbani & Raji (can I call you that) & Jyotisha, A deeper understanding of Lagna, Paka & AL The progress of Jupiter through signs has been given vital importance in Jyotish as man is a spiritual being having material experiences and this interaction between the atma and the body occurs through the paka lagna for which the karaka (significator) is Jupiter. Jupiter filters the thoughts that send impulses to the atma and the atma replies. Jupiter is the real representative of God as he does the filtering and cleansing of thoughts because of which the atma is capable of continued existance within the body. If Jupiter did not do the filtering and cleansing of thoughts and all were allowed to be experienced by the atma, then every soul that has incarnated as the selfish human being form will die within a few years. It is for this reason that Jupiter gives long life and is capable of averting apamrityu and all sorts of evils and is a karaka for so many houses..all good houses. Have you wondered as to why Maharishis could live for a thousand years and we mortals stay for a few decades. It is the strength of their Jupiter. This is the mark of intelligence and God is defined in Jyotish as the supreme intelligence. Not when Jupiter proceeds through the zodiac, there are two planets that have the lordship over the Tara (stars literally and implying the nakshatra). The *real* or *legitimate* lord is Jupiter or God as He alone has the supreme intelligence and the *illegitimate* lord is the Moon. At any point of time, both Jupiter and Moon try their level best to influence the lagna (individual intelligence). The Moon shows the active conscious mind that is drawing various impulses from the interaction of the senses and sense oegans and is passing this information with the filter of desire (what impulses it liked and what it considered as not so good and what are bad) to the lagna through the Arudha Lagna for which it is the Karaka. Similtaneously Jupiter who knows everything having the memory of billions of years of existance of life on earth knows what impulse gives what action and finally what karmic results, and like the wise minster/compassionate and kind God, advises the lagna through the Paka lagna (for which it is the karaka). Now that the lagna has got the input from the Moon through its desire filter and from Jupiter through its memory, supreme intelligence and goodness filter, the lagna has to take a decision. The lagna (individual intelligence) takes millions of decisions everyday. The Lagna consults its own intelligence, own memory and own nature (Sun Karaka) and arrives at a decision. Most of the time the decision is not perfect as the Sun lacks the supreme goodness of Jupiter and has an element of 'ahamkara' associated with its intelligence. More often the lagna tends to approve the decisions of the Moon (conscious mind) ignoring the good advise of Jupiter. Not that the Moon always gives bad advise, but its vision is very limited and sometimes it is in harmony with that from Jupiter and at other times, it is in sakata and other relations with Jupiter. The best situation is one called Gajakesari. Jupiter in signs & stars Keeping in mind that Jupiter is to represent the supreme intelligence, let us examine its position is some signs. In Kumbha Jupiter will be in a situation where Guru Brihaspati (Jupiter) is teaching Saturn (lord of Aquarius) about how to do his work (Aquarius is Moolatrikona of Saturn). For this we consult the Purana where Saturn wanted to learn the dharma shastra and approached Brihaspati. Initially Brihaspati explained the system in his ashram and the dakshina would be based on his judgment. On learning of the latters identity as 'Sanideva' Brihaspati was shocked and was prepared to teach everything and would not take any dakshina and begged that he be spared from sade-sati, kanataka and all those effects. Sanidev was adamant and insisted that he would give dakshina. So it was finally settled that the dakshina would be in the form of a reduced term of sadesati. Brihaspati taught him all the dharma shastra and Sanidev became the Dharmaraja having the complete knowledge of the implementation of justice (that is why the balance Libra is the ninth house from Aquarius). Brihaspati knew that Sani would pay his dakshina within the year as was the practise then, and as was his practise, always protected his body, mind and soul with the three mantras of the Narayana Kavacha. One day as he plucked flowers for his daily worship, the royal couple were in the neighbourhood and the prince (Mercury) entered the garden to play. The prince was missing after sometime and a frantic search yeilded nothing. The guards reported to the king that a divine person, glowing with spiritual light was collecting flowers and they saw blood dripping through the basket. The king ordered that the person (Brihaspati) be brought to him and told the guards not to harm him as it would be most unwise to even touch such a personality before ascertaining the truth. The wise king knew the danger to his kingdom if such great spiritual personalities are hurt. The severed head of the prince was in the basket and blood was dripping from the neck (note: chinna mastaka or cut-head is the mark of Rahu). Brihaspati was shocked and truthfully pleaded his innocense. But the evidence clearly visible pointed against him, so he was held captive but was not tortured and the search continued. Brihaspati realised that this was the effect of his sade-sati saturn and made a silent prayer to the deity of saturn (Lord Shiva here as the great destroyer {One vesha is Nataraja - the destroyer of the demon Maya or illusion and untruth). The period ended then and there and suddenly everyone saw that what looked like the head of the prince was just the watermelon and the red fluid was not blood and instead was the red water melon juice. The prince was found... Now look at the Jyotish lessons in this: (1) When Saturn causes sade-sati, or kantaka or has a bad dasa, and the dosha (error) is to be caused by the hand of extra-terrestrial forces, then it is called 'Adrista agantuta roga'. Prasna Marga advises us to look at the badhak for this (as the object or the cause). For the signs of Jupiter, Mercury is the badhak lord (Pisces - Virgo badhak, lord Merc and Sagittarius - Gemini badhak, lord Merc). That why the problem cause was related to Mercury the PRINCE. This can also be related to planets in badhak house. The difference is that in the case of badhak lord, we take the natual significations whereas in the case of planets in the badhak house, we see the lordships of there planets w.r.t. lagna. (2) The *visible* or produced evidence against Jupiter shall be seen from Rahu. In general Rahu indicates a severed head, and that evidence was shown to the king against Brihaspati. Look at the sign occupied by Rahu to see the nature of the evidence as dhatu, moola and jiva as well as the the chara karaka status of Rahu. The Arudha Padas conjoined Rahu shall indicate the people who will give the evidence. (3) Parasara teaches that if Jupiter is strong and alone in Lagna, then a single bow to the weilder of the Trishula shall destroy a thousand sins. In this episode narrated in the Purana we see how such a prayer (to the lord of Sani - Vayu tatva- Lord Shiva) by Brihaspati ended the entire problem. (4) Kalyana Verma teaches that if Jupiter is strong in Lagna then the native is always protected by the 'Chakradhara'. In this episode we see how Brihaspati is always proteced by the three mantras of the Narayana Kavacha. This is the abhedana kavacha. The Intelligence application Intelligence is that which guides the mind in a direction that protects (trai) it from any harm to 1) the body (Tana) like apamrityu, mrityu, roga etc, this is called Tantra as composed of Tana & trai 2) the mind(mana) or itself from various mental turmoil and diseases and is called Mantra as composed of Mana & Trai and, 3) the soul from of further sin by restraining it (Yantri) by the use of mystical diagrams and other symbolic apparatus/ instruments and the process of prana-pratistha etc. Coming to the point of how this intelligence works, a lot depends on what the lagna is when Jupiter is in Aquairus. In general the traits of Saturn's office as detatched thinking, ignoring pain and suffering and viewing this with the eyes of a stoic, pondering beyond known limits for any serious question thereby arriving at very original solutions etc. Sometimes they may seem most cold blooded as this can be caused by their ability to supress and ignore pain (like Rambo in the movie). Saturn is an old planet and Jupiter in this sign indicates the intelligence used is like that of old men - with lots of experience, memory, philosophy and thinking going into it. The ability to ponder causes Brahma yoga and the best of philosophers, scientists, mathematical genius minds (not computation ability but astract mathematics) are shown in this sign with the influence of Jupiter. Because of the nodal influence (rebirth-Rahu/Saturn & death/moksha -Mars& Ketu), Juiter in Aquarius or Scorpio gives considerable ability for astrology. The big difference with Capricorn is that the Saturn is a worker and is bad at home. His worst qualities show up when he is at home. That is why he likes to go away from home (gets digbala in 7th house), is very down to eath and demands total physical evidence of the existance of God and things like that. The intellect refuses to believe anything or anybody without at least adequate circumstantial evidence whereas Aquarius is an airy sign and is very intellectual. Jupiter here gives the ability to mentally exert themselves...you have to think in these lines to fully understand the effect of th various navamsas in Aquarius etc. With best wishes & regards, I remain Sanjay Rath -------- Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India Tel:+91-674-2436871, Webpages: http://srath.com -------- Rajeswari Shankar [rajeswarishankar ]Monday, May 12, 2003 4:21 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Hi List, Namaste Mine is pieces lagna & lagna lord jupiter is in kumbha(12th place). Any comments welcome!! Thanks Raji Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, Thats an interesting point about Mars and Saturn. I agree with you, but I was trying to fine-tune the point regarding Saturn. Saturn does not reveal, yes. Saturn pertains to meditation, yes. But could Saturns unrevealed spiritual practice be negative? It was a just a question which arose in a discussion with someone on guru in kumbhacould there be another way of looking at it? One that is not so positive? Best regards, Sarbani Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 12:37 AMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sarbani, If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are done by one who has Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as well as external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external manifestation of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars. One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of his/her religious experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas those with Saturn will rarely reveal what they have experienced. Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point of view and sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning. Chandrashekhar. - Sarbani Sarkar vedic astrology ; varahamihira Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sanjay, You wrote: [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application of intelligence in dharma. One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and gurus placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile this to Kumbhas lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiters vision and obstruct his path like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all philosophical? Or is such dhi shakti capable of being affected by Saturn or Rahu? 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Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Dea Atma Prakash, I am happy that you find my contention correct. Chandrashekhar. - Atma Prakash vedic astrology Monday, May 12, 2003 2:45 PM Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Shri Chandrashekharji Namaskar >>>>If I may interrupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn. Saturn is a planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with Jupiter (Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested in the dhyana of religion<<<<< This is just to say that you are spot on with your observation. I have Saturn in Kumbha (Mooltrikona) in the 5th house aspecting Jupiter in 2nd house (Tula Lagna). Atma Prakashatma (AT) aprakash (DOT) freeserve.co.uk - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Sunday, May 11, 2003 8:06 PM Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sarbani, If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are done by one who has Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as well as external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external manifestation of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars. One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of his/her religious experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas those with Saturn will rarely reveal what they have experienced. Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point of view and sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning. Chandrashekhar. - Sarbani Sarkar vedic astrology ; varahamihira Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sanjay, You wrote: [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application of intelligence in dharma. One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and guru’s placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile this to Kumbha’s lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiter’s vision and obstruct his path like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all philosophical? Or is such dhi shakti capable of being affected by Saturn or Rahu? Best regards, Sarbani |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Your use of Groups is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Dear Sanjayji, You have put your view point nicely. I have another query about his. In Aquarius Jupiter would be lord of the 2nd and 11th in 1st wrt. Aquarius Rasi. So he would be a Marakesh from both house ownerships in decreasing order. For getting really better results would it not be necessary for Saturn also to have a Sambadham with this Jupiter? Is my logic correct or am I off track ? Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Sanjay Rath vedic astrology Monday, May 12, 2003 12:39 PM RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha ||Om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Chandrasekhar ji, Sarbani & Raji (can I call you that) & Jyotisha, A deeper understanding of Lagna, Paka & AL The progress of Jupiter through signs has been given vital importance in Jyotish as man is a spiritual being having material experiences and this interaction between the atma and the body occurs through the paka lagna for which the karaka (significator) is Jupiter. Jupiter filters the thoughts that send impulses to the atma and the atma replies. Jupiter is the real representative of God as he does the filtering and cleansing of thoughts because of which the atma is capable of continued existance within the body. If Jupiter did not do the filtering and cleansing of thoughts and all were allowed to be experienced by the atma, then every soul that has incarnated as the selfish human being form will die within a few years. It is for this reason that Jupiter gives long life and is capable of averting apamrityu and all sorts of evils and is a karaka for so many houses..all good houses. Have you wondered as to why Maharishis could live for a thousand years and we mortals stay for a few decades. It is the strength of their Jupiter. This is the mark of intelligence and God is defined in Jyotish as the supreme intelligence. Not when Jupiter proceeds through the zodiac, there are two planets that have the lordship over the Tara (stars literally and implying the nakshatra). The *real* or *legitimate* lord is Jupiter or God as He alone has the supreme intelligence and the *illegitimate* lord is the Moon. At any point of time, both Jupiter and Moon try their level best to influence the lagna (individual intelligence). The Moon shows the active conscious mind that is drawing various impulses from the interaction of the senses and sense oegans and is passing this information with the filter of desire (what impulses it liked and what it considered as not so good and what are bad) to the lagna through the Arudha Lagna for which it is the Karaka. Similtaneously Jupiter who knows everything having the memory of billions of years of existance of life on earth knows what impulse gives what action and finally what karmic results, and like the wise minster/compassionate and kind God, advises the lagna through the Paka lagna (for which it is the karaka). Now that the lagna has got the input from the Moon through its desire filter and from Jupiter through its memory, supreme intelligence and goodness filter, the lagna has to take a decision. The lagna (individual intelligence) takes millions of decisions everyday. The Lagna consults its own intelligence, own memory and own nature (Sun Karaka) and arrives at a decision. Most of the time the decision is not perfect as the Sun lacks the supreme goodness of Jupiter and has an element of 'ahamkara' associated with its intelligence. More often the lagna tends to approve the decisions of the Moon (conscious mind) ignoring the good advise of Jupiter. Not that the Moon always gives bad advise, but its vision is very limited and sometimes it is in harmony with that from Jupiter and at other times, it is in sakata and other relations with Jupiter. The best situation is one called Gajakesari. Jupiter in signs & stars Keeping in mind that Jupiter is to represent the supreme intelligence, let us examine its position is some signs. In Kumbha Jupiter will be in a situation where Guru Brihaspati (Jupiter) is teaching Saturn (lord of Aquarius) about how to do his work (Aquarius is Moolatrikona of Saturn). For this we consult the Purana where Saturn wanted to learn the dharma shastra and approached Brihaspati. Initially Brihaspati explained the system in his ashram and the dakshina would be based on his judgment. On learning of the latters identity as 'Sanideva' Brihaspati was shocked and was prepared to teach everything and would not take any dakshina and begged that he be spared from sade-sati, kanataka and all those effects. Sanidev was adamant and insisted that he would give dakshina. So it was finally settled that the dakshina would be in the form of a reduced term of sadesati. Brihaspati taught him all the dharma shastra and Sanidev became the Dharmaraja having the complete knowledge of the implementation of justice (that is why the balance Libra is the ninth house from Aquarius). Brihaspati knew that Sani would pay his dakshina within the year as was the practise then, and as was his practise, always protected his body, mind and soul with the three mantras of the Narayana Kavacha. One day as he plucked flowers for his daily worship, the royal couple were in the neighbourhood and the prince (Mercury) entered the garden to play. The prince was missing after sometime and a frantic search yeilded nothing. The guards reported to the king that a divine person, glowing with spiritual light was collecting flowers and they saw blood dripping through the basket. The king ordered that the person (Brihaspati) be brought to him and told the guards not to harm him as it would be most unwise to even touch such a personality before ascertaining the truth. The wise king knew the danger to his kingdom if such great spiritual personalities are hurt. The severed head of the prince was in the basket and blood was dripping from the neck (note: chinna mastaka or cut-head is the mark of Rahu). Brihaspati was shocked and truthfully pleaded his innocense. But the evidence clearly visible pointed against him, so he was held captive but was not tortured and the search continued. Brihaspati realised that this was the effect of his sade-sati saturn and made a silent prayer to the deity of saturn (Lord Shiva here as the great destroyer {One vesha is Nataraja - the destroyer of the demon Maya or illusion and untruth). The period ended then and there and suddenly everyone saw that what looked like the head of the prince was just the watermelon and the red fluid was not blood and instead was the red water melon juice. The prince was found... Now look at the Jyotish lessons in this: (1) When Saturn causes sade-sati, or kantaka or has a bad dasa, and the dosha (error) is to be caused by the hand of extra-terrestrial forces, then it is called 'Adrista agantuta roga'. Prasna Marga advises us to look at the badhak for this (as the object or the cause). For the signs of Jupiter, Mercury is the badhak lord (Pisces - Virgo badhak, lord Merc and Sagittarius - Gemini badhak, lord Merc). That why the problem cause was related to Mercury the PRINCE. This can also be related to planets in badhak house. The difference is that in the case of badhak lord, we take the natual significations whereas in the case of planets in the badhak house, we see the lordships of there planets w.r.t. lagna. (2) The *visible* or produced evidence against Jupiter shall be seen from Rahu. In general Rahu indicates a severed head, and that evidence was shown to the king against Brihaspati. Look at the sign occupied by Rahu to see the nature of the evidence as dhatu, moola and jiva as well as the the chara karaka status of Rahu. The Arudha Padas conjoined Rahu shall indicate the people who will give the evidence. (3) Parasara teaches that if Jupiter is strong and alone in Lagna, then a single bow to the weilder of the Trishula shall destroy a thousand sins. In this episode narrated in the Purana we see how such a prayer (to the lord of Sani - Vayu tatva- Lord Shiva) by Brihaspati ended the entire problem. (4) Kalyana Verma teaches that if Jupiter is strong in Lagna then the native is always protected by the 'Chakradhara'. In this episode we see how Brihaspati is always proteced by the three mantras of the Narayana Kavacha. This is the abhedana kavacha. The Intelligence application Intelligence is that which guides the mind in a direction that protects (trai) it from any harm to 1) the body (Tana) like apamrityu, mrityu, roga etc, this is called Tantra as composed of Tana & trai 2) the mind(mana) or itself from various mental turmoil and diseases and is called Mantra as composed of Mana & Trai and, 3) the soul from of further sin by restraining it (Yantri) by the use of mystical diagrams and other symbolic apparatus/ instruments and the process of prana-pratistha etc. Coming to the point of how this intelligence works, a lot depends on what the lagna is when Jupiter is in Aquairus. In general the traits of Saturn's office as detatched thinking, ignoring pain and suffering and viewing this with the eyes of a stoic, pondering beyond known limits for any serious question thereby arriving at very original solutions etc. Sometimes they may seem most cold blooded as this can be caused by their ability to supress and ignore pain (like Rambo in the movie). Saturn is an old planet and Jupiter in this sign indicates the intelligence used is like that of old men - with lots of experience, memory, philosophy and thinking going into it. The ability to ponder causes Brahma yoga and the best of philosophers, scientists, mathematical genius minds (not computation ability but astract mathematics) are shown in this sign with the influence of Jupiter. Because of the nodal influence (rebirth-Rahu/Saturn & death/moksha -Mars& Ketu), Juiter in Aquarius or Scorpio gives considerable ability for astrology. The big difference with Capricorn is that the Saturn is a worker and is bad at home. His worst qualities show up when he is at home. That is why he likes to go away from home (gets digbala in 7th house), is very down to eath and demands total physical evidence of the existance of God and things like that. The intellect refuses to believe anything or anybody without at least adequate circumstantial evidence whereas Aquarius is an airy sign and is very intellectual. Jupiter here gives the ability to mentally exert themselves...you have to think in these lines to fully understand the effect of th various navamsas in Aquarius etc. With best wishes & regards, I remain Sanjay Rath -------- Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India Tel:+91-674-2436871, Webpages: http://srath.com -------- Rajeswari Shankar [rajeswarishankar ]Monday, May 12, 2003 4:21 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Hi List, Namaste Mine is pieces lagna & lagna lord jupiter is in kumbha(12th place). Any comments welcome!! Thanks Raji Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, Thats an interesting point about Mars and Saturn. I agree with you, but I was trying to fine-tune the point regarding Saturn. Saturn does not reveal, yes. Saturn pertains to meditation, yes. But could Saturns unrevealed spiritual practice be negative? It was a just a question which arose in a discussion with someone on guru in kumbhacould there be another way of looking at it? One that is not so positive? Best regards, Sarbani Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 12:37 AMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sarbani, If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are done by one who has Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as well as external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external manifestation of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars. One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of his/her religious experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas those with Saturn will rarely reveal what they have experienced. Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point of view and sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning. Chandrashekhar. - Sarbani Sarkar vedic astrology ; varahamihira Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sanjay, You wrote: [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application of intelligence in dharma. One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and gurus placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile this to Kumbhas lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiters vision and obstruct his path like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all philosophical? Or is such dhi shakti capable of being affected by Saturn or Rahu? 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Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Dear Sarbani, I think that there is neither negative or positive about Saturn's "unrevealing practice". It is just the way he operates. Being deceptive by nature he does not like to reveal his hand even if with regard to things religious. Saturn normally has a private space for himself, which he shares only after assessing maturity of others. He is said to be lame, and you will find persons with impairment also to be somewhat reclusive. I think it has to do with in- built defence mechanism. Being Old and mature beyond his years he probably does not think others to be as mature as himself unless maturity is proven to his satisfaction. You will find that Saturn has two sides co-existing, one is the popular person able to motivate a large number of people by his enthusiasism and within a very private person who needs some private space and time to himself. One will generally find those with powerful Saturn past masters in the art of understatement but commanding respect of their peers. Chandrashekhar. - Sarbani Sarkar vedic astrology ; Varahamihira Monday, May 12, 2003 1:21 AM RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Chandrashekhar, That’s an interesting point about Mars and Saturn. I agree with you, but I was trying to fine-tune the point regarding Saturn. Saturn does not reveal, yes. Saturn pertains to meditation, yes. But could Saturn’s “unrevealed” spiritual practice be negative? It was a just a question which arose in a discussion with someone on guru in kumbha…could there be another way of looking at it? One that is not so positive? Best regards, Sarbani Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 12:37 AMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sarbani, If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are done by one who has Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as well as external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external manifestation of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars. One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of his/her religious experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas those with Saturn will rarely reveal what they have experienced. Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point of view and sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning. Chandrashekhar. - Sarbani Sarkar vedic astrology ; varahamihira Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sanjay, You wrote: [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application of intelligence in dharma. One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and guru’s placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile this to Kumbha’s lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiter’s vision and obstruct his path like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all philosophical? Or is such dhi shakti capable of being affected by Saturn or Rahu? Best regards, Sarbani |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Your use of Groups is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Respected Sanjayji, You have nicely said that you have to surrender yourself to GOD.Here if you dont mind I will give my small mystic experience.In 1991 ,my GURU initiated me a Mantra of MOTHER and then advised me that from now onwards you just surrender yourself to MOTHER and dont think of anything.Slowly I developed this and surrendered myself to MOTHER.After sometime I found miracles started in my life.A small example.In 2001 August,while working in the Petroleum Refinery ,I had a small jerk to my right hand shoulder and there was a severe pain at the time of the incident and after sometime the pain subsided.But after about 6 months,the pain started on my right shoulder and so many treatments carried out and nothing was working and finally the surgeon said he will be doing a small surgery called Arthroscopy on my right shoulder and he did it.But the pain did not subside instead it increased with the result I could not lift my right hand straight up.After 2 months of physio-therapy ,the doctor checked further and said the surgery has failed and now he has to do a big surgery by cuting my shoulder and arrange all the muscles intact.I got scared and I said now I am going to India next month and after that let us see.Now see the miracle happened.Last year September when I came to India on vacation,we went to first Vaishno Devi ( Which is in Jammu ) and all of us walked 14 KMS.up,had darshan of MATA VAISHNO DEVI and then returned back.Finally when we reached our native place of Mangalore.At that time the pain on my shoulder was still there.The next day when we were going to see a Ayurvedic Pandit,this miracle has happened.We were travelling in a bus from our place to the city and in the evening the crowd increased like anything and somebody suddenly fell on my right shoulder and suddenly I cried with pain.Then after about 15 minutes when we got down from the bus ,as usual I just lifted my right hand up and see the miracle of MOTHER,my right shoulder became alright and when I came here back all were surprised including the doctor. This is a small incident which has happened in my life is nothing but the Blessings of MOTHER and I completely surrendered to HER Always. But there are other major miracles also happened. I see HER visions in different ways in my dreams almost once in 3-4 months. Anyhow I am just confirming your statements about surrendering to GOD. With Best Regards, Ramadas Rao. Sanjay Rath <srath (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote: ||Om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Sarbani, The search for Pramana or proof of God through any body of knowledge can never end and is considered a vertical downward process of the mind as it digs "deeper and deeper" into the well of knowledge of Brahma. The real search should be in the opposite direction - vertical upward called Ananta. Dr Feeley has given a fine explanation about this. The search should be like that of Ketu - throw away all that is taught and lose your head (ego, prsent knowledge of apara vidya causing obstruction, present thinking based on the understanding of the scriptures based on the sense organs)..throw it away and just surrender...thats Ananta, but it is easier said than done. With best wishes & regards, I remain Sanjay Rath -------- Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India Tel:+91-674-2436871, Webpages: http://srath.com -------- Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani (AT) (DOT) org]Monday, May 12, 2003 1:21 AMTo: vedic astrology; VarahamihiraRE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Chandrashekhar, That’s an interesting point about Mars and Saturn. I agree with you, but I was trying to fine-tune the point regarding Saturn. Saturn does not reveal, yes. Saturn pertains to meditation, yes. But could Saturn’s “unrevealed” spiritual practice be negative? It was a just a question which arose in a discussion with someone on guru in kumbha…could there be another way of looking at it? One that is not so positive? Best regards, Sarbani Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 12:37 AMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sarbani, If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are done by one who has Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as well as external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external manifestation of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars. One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of his/her religious experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas those with Saturn will rarely reveal what they have experienced. Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point of view and sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning. Chandrashekhar. - Sarbani Sarkar vedic astrology ; varahamihira Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sanjay, You wrote: [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application of intelligence in dharma. One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and guru’s placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile this to Kumbha’s lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiter’s vision and obstruct his path like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all philosophical? Or is such dhi shakti capable of being affected by Saturn or Rahu? 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Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Over a period of time, I have come to notice that Saturn harms more than Rahu. Is it just my perception? Rahu too is a tormentor but the dasa does not plague as much as Saturn Mahadasa. I have undergone a Saturn mahadasa and had too undergo quite a few tests. I am now concerned about my wife with Saturn in the seventh house aspecting the fourth house currently in the Saturn dasa. Can we perform a remedy that will help ease the effect. I am worried about her physical well being. I would request the Gurus to kindly comment on her chart - 22 August, 1944 3:00 pm Lucknow Thanks and Regards, NC Gupta vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Sarbani, > I think that there is neither negative or positive about Saturn's "unrevealing practice". It is just the way he operates. Being deceptive by nature he does not like to reveal his hand even if with regard to things religious. Saturn normally has a private space for himself, which he shares only after assessing maturity of others. He is said to be lame, and you will find persons with impairment also to be somewhat reclusive. I think it has to do with in- built defence mechanism. Being Old and mature beyond his years he probably does not think others to be as mature as himself unless maturity is proven to his satisfaction. > You will find that Saturn has two sides co-existing, one is the popular person able to motivate a large number of people by his enthusiasism and within a very private person who needs some private space and time to himself. One will generally find those with powerful Saturn past masters in the art of understatement but commanding respect of their peers. > Chandrashekhar. > > - > Sarbani Sarkar > vedic astrology ; Varahamihira > Monday, May 12, 2003 1:21 AM > RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > That's an interesting point about Mars and Saturn. I agree with you, but I was trying to fine-tune the point regarding Saturn. Saturn does not reveal, yes. Saturn pertains to meditation, yes. But could Saturn's "unrevealed" spiritual practice be negative? It was a just a question which arose in a discussion with someone on guru in kumbha.could there be another way of looking at it? One that is not so positive? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > Chandrashekhar [boxdel] > Monday, May 12, 2003 12:37 AM > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are done by one who has Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as well as external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external manifestation of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars. > > One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of his/her religious experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas those with Saturn will rarely reveal what they have experienced. > > Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point of view and sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning. > > Chandrashekhar. > > - > > > Sarbani Sarkar > > vedic astrology ; varahamihira > > Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM > > [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha > > > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > You wrote: > > [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application of intelligence in dharma. > > One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and guru's placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile this to Kumbha's lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiter's vision and obstruct his path like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all philosophical? 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Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Dear Chandrashekharji, Garamond">I agree with you…there was never any doubt about this. My query was slightly different and Sanjayji had answered that…the fact that people who have Jupiter in Kumbha has to guard their dhi against Saturn and Rahu, despite the fact that this combination may churn out philosophical minds. Best regards, mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Sarbani mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Garamond"> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:40 AM To: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Dear Sarbani, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">I think that there is neither negative or positive about Saturn's "unrevealing practice". It is just the way he operates. Being deceptive by nature he does not like to reveal his hand even if with regard to things religious. Saturn normally has a private space for himself, which he shares only after assessing maturity of others. He is said to be lame, and you will find persons with impairment also to be somewhat reclusive. I think it has to do with in- built defence mechanism. Being Old and mature beyond his years he probably does not think others to be as mature as himself unless maturity is proven to his satisfaction. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">You will find that Saturn has two sides co-existing, one is the popular person able to motivate a large number of people by his enthusiasism and within a very private person who needs some private space and time to himself. One will generally find those with powerful Saturn past masters in the art of understatement but commanding respect of their peers. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Chandrashekhar. margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">----- Original Message ----- margin-left:3.75pt;background:#E4E4E4;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> Sarbani Sarkar Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">vedic astrology ; Varahamihira font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Monday, May 12, 2003 1:21 AM margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">Dear Chandrashekhar, solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">That’s an interesting point about Mars and Saturn. I agree with you, but I was trying to fine-tune the point regarding Saturn. Saturn does not reveal, yes. Saturn pertains to meditation, yes. But could Saturn’s “unrevealed” spiritual practice be negative? It was a just a question which arose in a discussion with someone on guru in kumbha…could there be another way of looking at it? One that is not so positive? solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> Garamond'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Best regards, Garamond;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:#993366"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:#993366">Sarbani solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> Garamond'> Garamond"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black"> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Monday, May 12, 2003 12:37 AM To: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">Dear Sarbani, solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are done by one who has Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as well as external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external manifestation of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of his/her religious experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas those with Saturn will rarely reveal what they have experienced. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point of view and sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">Chandrashekhar. margin-left:7.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding: 0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">----- Original Message ----- 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> Sarbani Sarkar margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:7.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding: 0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">To: color:black"> vedic astrology ; varahamihira font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:7.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding: 0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">Sent: color:black"> Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:7.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding: 0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">Subject: color:black"> [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:7.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;padding: 0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">Dear Sanjay, solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">You wrote: margin-left:11.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-family:Georgia;mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family: "Arial Unicode MS";color:blue;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application of intelligence in dharma. Georgia;mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold"> margin-left:7.5pt;text-align:justify;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"">One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and guru’s placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile this to Kumbha’s lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiter’s vision and obstruct his path like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all philosophical? 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Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Naresh, Namaste. In general, Rahu is a Chaya Graha, i.e. subtle planet, while Sani is gross. So he may cause more suffering. Rahu is more likely to make oneself evil, and persuade him to commit vicked acts. The suffering from that may not cone instantaneously. So Saturn may be more heavy, but giving good teaching, while Rahu rarely does so. As for remedy, I would recommend feeding Brahmins on a regular basis. This is good to counteract both influences. Saturn is a shudra, so he does not respect Brahmins, and he is not charitable. On the other hand, Rahu wnated to enjoy the Amrita that was distributed to the Devas, while he was not entitled to do so. So by feeding Brahmins you respect the Devas because Brahminss represent all of them. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - "nareshcg" <nareshcg <vedic astrology> Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:41 AM [vedic astrology] Re: RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha > Over a period of time, I have come to notice that Saturn harms more > than Rahu. Is it just my perception? Rahu too is a tormentor but the > dasa does not plague as much as Saturn Mahadasa. I have undergone a > Saturn mahadasa and had too undergo quite a few tests. > > I am now concerned about my wife with Saturn in the seventh house > aspecting the fourth house currently in the Saturn dasa. > > Can we perform a remedy that will help ease the effect. I am worried > about her physical well being. I would request the Gurus to kindly > comment on her chart - > > 22 August, 1944 > 3:00 pm > Lucknow > > Thanks and Regards, > > NC Gupta > > vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" > <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Sarbani, > > I think that there is neither negative or positive about > Saturn's "unrevealing practice". It is just the way he operates. > Being deceptive by nature he does not like to reveal his hand even > if with regard to things religious. Saturn normally has a private > space for himself, which he shares only after assessing maturity of > others. He is said to be lame, and you will find persons with > impairment also to be somewhat reclusive. I think it has to do with > in- built defence mechanism. Being Old and mature beyond his years > he probably does not think others to be as mature as himself unless > maturity is proven to his satisfaction. > > You will find that Saturn has two sides co-existing, one is the > popular person able to motivate a large number of people by his > enthusiasism and within a very private person who needs some private > space and time to himself. One will generally find those with > powerful Saturn past masters in the art of understatement but > commanding respect of their peers. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > - > > Sarbani Sarkar > > vedic astrology ; Varahamihira > > Monday, May 12, 2003 1:21 AM > > RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > That's an interesting point about Mars and Saturn. I agree with > you, but I was trying to fine-tune the point regarding Saturn. > Saturn does not reveal, yes. Saturn pertains to meditation, yes. But > could Saturn's "unrevealed" spiritual practice be negative? It was a > just a question which arose in a discussion with someone on guru in > kumbha.could there be another way of looking at it? One that is not > so positive? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar [boxdel] > > Monday, May 12, 2003 12:37 AM > > vedic astrology > > Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha > > > > > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > > > If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a > planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by > him with Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards > religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka > might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested > in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are done by one who has > Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as well as > external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that > those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external > manifestation of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars. > > > > One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of > his/her religious experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas > those with Saturn will rarely reveal what they have experienced. > > > > Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point > of view and sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > - > > > > > > Sarbani Sarkar > > > > vedic astrology ; > varahamihira > > > > Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual > ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not > philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies > his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in > Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. > If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts > regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says > that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is > not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be > seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application > of intelligence in dharma. > > > > One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and guru's > placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile > this to Kumbha's lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such > enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates > Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiter's vision and obstruct his path > like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava > specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all > philosophical? Or is such dhi shakti capable of being affected by > Saturn or Rahu? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > > http://www.varahamihira > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Dear Gauranga Dasji, Thanks for the wonderful explanation. I always find it easier to understand with examples. I think that with every astrological principle, the story behind it is very important. That way the concept becomes clear. After all, astrology is the science of God and karma. Howsoever, I have observed that my daughter has taken to charity during her Saturn dasa. How do we explain that? I never took to charity during my Saturn dasa and my lessons were the hardest of all. But it is my daughter who has infact influenced all of us towards charity and her Saturn dasa in still running for another one and a half years. Regards, NC Gupta vedic astrology, Gauranga Das <gauranga@b...> wrote: > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Naresh, > > Namaste. > > In general, Rahu is a Chaya Graha, i.e. subtle planet, while Sani is gross. > So he may cause more suffering. Rahu is more likely to make oneself evil, > and persuade him to commit vicked acts. The suffering from that may not cone > instantaneously. So Saturn may be more heavy, but giving good teaching, > while Rahu rarely does so. > > As for remedy, I would recommend feeding Brahmins on a regular basis. This > is good to counteract both influences. Saturn is a shudra, so he does not > respect Brahmins, and he is not charitable. On the other hand, Rahu wnated > to enjoy the Amrita that was distributed to the Devas, while he was not > entitled to do so. So by feeding Brahmins you respect the Devas because > Brahminss represent all of them. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > gauranga@b... > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > - > "nareshcg" <nareshcg> > <vedic astrology> > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:41 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha > > > > Over a period of time, I have come to notice that Saturn harms more > > than Rahu. Is it just my perception? Rahu too is a tormentor but the > > dasa does not plague as much as Saturn Mahadasa. I have undergone a > > Saturn mahadasa and had too undergo quite a few tests. > > > > I am now concerned about my wife with Saturn in the seventh house > > aspecting the fourth house currently in the Saturn dasa. > > > > Can we perform a remedy that will help ease the effect. I am worried > > about her physical well being. I would request the Gurus to kindly > > comment on her chart - > > > > 22 August, 1944 > > 3:00 pm > > Lucknow > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > NC Gupta > > > > vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" > > <boxdel> wrote: > > > Dear Sarbani, > > > I think that there is neither negative or positive about > > Saturn's "unrevealing practice". It is just the way he operates. > > Being deceptive by nature he does not like to reveal his hand even > > if with regard to things religious. Saturn normally has a private > > space for himself, which he shares only after assessing maturity of > > others. He is said to be lame, and you will find persons with > > impairment also to be somewhat reclusive. I think it has to do with > > in- built defence mechanism. Being Old and mature beyond his years > > he probably does not think others to be as mature as himself unless > > maturity is proven to his satisfaction. > > > You will find that Saturn has two sides co-existing, one is the > > popular person able to motivate a large number of people by his > > enthusiasism and within a very private person who needs some private > > space and time to himself. One will generally find those with > > powerful Saturn past masters in the art of understatement but > > commanding respect of their peers. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > - > > > Sarbani Sarkar > > > vedic astrology ; Varahamihira > > > Monday, May 12, 2003 1:21 AM > > > RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > That's an interesting point about Mars and Saturn. I agree with > > you, but I was trying to fine-tune the point regarding Saturn. > > Saturn does not reveal, yes. Saturn pertains to meditation, yes. But > > could Saturn's "unrevealed" spiritual practice be negative? It was a > > just a question which arose in a discussion with someone on guru in > > kumbha.could there be another way of looking at it? One that is not > > so positive? > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar [boxdel] > > > Monday, May 12, 2003 12:37 AM > > > vedic astrology > > > Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > > > > > If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a > > planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by > > him with Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards > > religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka > > might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested > > in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are done by one who has > > Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as well as > > external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that > > those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external > > manifestation of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars. > > > > > > One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of > > his/her religious experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas > > those with Saturn will rarely reveal what they have experienced. > > > > > > Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point > > of view and sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > Sarbani Sarkar > > > > > > vedic astrology ; > > varahamihira > > > > > > Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM > > > > > > [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual > > ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not > > philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies > > his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in > > Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. > > If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts > > regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says > > that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is > > not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be > > seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application > > of intelligence in dharma. > > > > > > One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and guru's > > placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile > > this to Kumbha's lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such > > enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates > > Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiter's vision and obstruct his path > > like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava > > specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all > > philosophical? Or is such dhi shakti capable of being affected by > > Saturn or Rahu? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > > > http://www.varahamihira > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... 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