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Dear Astrologers and Gurujis ,

 

I have a doubt .Please enlighten me on this query.

--------->

The universe consists of billions of galaxies each containing billions of stars.

 

Our galaxy- Milky way is one of those galaxies containing 100 billion stars. Out

of these we can see 6000 with naked eyes . Some of these are near some are far

..( 5 to 200 light year ).

One light year = 1 trillion Kms.

 

These stars form virtual shapes( constellations ) as seen from earth. Our

ancestors related these virtual shapes to things on earth and gave these

constellations the similiar properties.

 

Now all the stars in our galaxy are rotating around the galactic centre.

Within the next 5000- 10000 years all these virtual constellations will change

their shapes totally .

 

So ,How do we relate earthly happenings to these constellations

and planets now , and what about astrology 10,000 years from now , when these

Rasis / constellations will be Non -existent or deformed shapes .

 

Any Explanations ...Gurujis and learned ones. Please.

Awaiting reply ,

 

Regards,

Aryabhatt.

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dear aryabhatt

 

what are the books that you have read on astrology. because your id

is aryabhatt astrologer. please enlighten. then we shall discuss the

rotation of alpha beta gama.

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<xycsu> wrote:

> Dear Astrologers and Gurujis , I have a doubt .Please enlighten

me on this query.--------->The universe consists of billions of

galaxies each containing billions of stars. Our galaxy- Milky way is

one of those galaxies containing 100 billion stars. Out of these we

can see 6000 with naked eyes . Some of these are near some are far .(

5 to 200 light year ). One light year = 1 trillion Kms. These stars

form virtual shapes( constellations ) as seen from earth. Our

ancestors related these virtual shapes to things on earth and gave

these constellations the similiar properties. Now all the stars in

our galaxy are rotating around the galactic centre.Within the next

5000- 10000 years all these virtual constellations will change their

shapes totally . So ,How do we relate earthly happenings to these

constellations and planets now , and what about astrology 10,000

years from now , when these Rasis / constellations will be Non -

existent or deformed shapes . Any Explanations ...Gurujis and learned

ones. Please.Awaiting reply , Regards,Aryabhatt.----------------------

 

>

>

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Okay, let me try to answer this question. I've thought about it, because I find

that *some* predictions made by *some* astrologers are uncannily accurate, i.e.

the probability of the prediction coming true is much higher than chance. On the

other hand, the theory behind astrology *sounds* suspect, as you (and other

skeptics) point out. For me, this is a philosophy of science issue: correct

predictions based on 'unsound' premises.

 

There are two parts to your question. Let us start with the first, it deals with

causality. The issue is: how can planets flying around in space cause changes in

my life? There are a couple of assumptions here. 1) Planets are concrete

physical objects, and they are way too far off to influence me. 2) My life, on

the other hand, is an abstract process, and it is happening here. So how can the

movement of a concrete ball of matter out there cause me to get a job, or get

married here?

 

To get a grip on this, first you have to take many steps back, into the premises

of Indian philosophy. For most of Indian philosophy, the human being is not an

isolated entity that roams the earth randomly. Indian philosophy considers every

entity to be connected with every other, it considers entities as "situated"

within a web of other entities. This makes every entity depend on other

entities, and prone to oscillations based on the behaviour of other entities.

This interactionist metaphysics is what leads to the planet-affecting-life

model.

 

This is not a very controversial view in science these days, because we know

that subatomic particles and entire galaxies remain stable (or wander off),

depending on the behaviour of other particles or galaxies around them.

 

The controversy starts here: current physics is mostly localist, that is, it

considers only local entities to influence the behaviour of another entity. So

the apple falls because of earth's gravity, not because of the way the Milky Way

is rotating.

 

There is an exception to this localism, though. This concerns non-linear systems

like the weather, where very minute vibrations in one part of the world can set

off a chain of non-linear effects and result in a major effect in another part

of the world. A common example is: a butterfly's wingbeat in India can be

amplified in a non-linear pattern, and can result in a typhoon in Cuba.

 

This non-linearity gives you a possible way by which movements of far-off

planets can influence your life here, i.e. a non-local effect. However, there is

still a problem. My life is an abstract thing, the movements of planets is the

movement of matter. How can the latter influence the former?

 

One possible way would be to consider both matter and life as processes or

patterns (All processes are patterns). We know that life (as in biological life)

is just a process/pattern, because all the cells in your body get replaced every

seven years. If life is a physical thing, this replacement wouldn't be possible.

Also, according to current physics, all matter is just a coagulation of energy,

it is a stable process/pattern in space-time.

 

So now we have both planets and life converted to one fundamental entity,

patterns. Now, changes in one pattern *could* affect the other non-linearly.

 

This brings us to the second half of your question, which is: the galaxies and

planets are changing all the time, so how can structures superimposed on them by

our ancestors predict current, or future, events?

 

I must say that this is a vexing question, given that astrology does manage to

make accurate predictions. A possibility would be this: the ancestors were not

talking about planets and their movements through imaginary constellations. The

talk about constellations and planets is a way of getting at a more foundational

relation, which is a larger pattern influencing a smaller one. The movements of

constellations and stars and planets capture a stable pattern, a pattern that

stays constant even when the individual entities involved (like galaxies) move

around. This is very similar to the process of life staying stable even when the

individual entities involved (cells) get replaced.

 

So the foundational principle of astrology is just one big pattern influencing a

smaller one non-locally. It is laid out using the structure of planets and

constellations. The planet-constellation-star talk is just metaphor, it is a bit

like physicists drawing nice pictures of balls to represent atoms and other

particles, even though the particles are just probabilities based on time and

space.

 

Now, your "good" time is the period where your pattern (or the you-pattern)

comes in sync with the larger, universal, pattern. Your bad time is when your

pattern is out-of-sync with the universal pattern. The predictions are based on

this fundamental structure. The sync and out-of-sync can be highly varied, and

they result in different ways the you-pattern will behave.

 

This pattern relation is the reason why astrologers advice you to pray to God,

as a way of making life easier even when your planetary configuration is not

ideal. In Hinduism, God is just this larger, universal, pattern. Heartfelt

praying is a way of influencing this pattern to come in sync with your own

pattern. I agree with the opinion expressed by others that this influencing can

happen even if you are non-Hindu. Patterns don't care about our labels and

history and politics! :-)

 

Did all that make any sense? :-)

 

Y

 

 

vedic astrology, Aryabhatt Astrologer <xycsu> wrote:

> Dear Astrologers and Gurujis , I have a doubt .Please enlighten me on this

query.--------->The universe consists of billions of galaxies each containing

billions of stars. Our galaxy- Milky way is one of those galaxies containing 100

billion stars. Out of these we can see 6000 with naked eyes . Some of these are

near some are far .( 5 to 200 light year ). One light year = 1 trillion Kms.

These stars form virtual shapes( constellations ) as seen from earth. Our

ancestors related these virtual shapes to things on earth and gave these

constellations the similiar properties. Now all the stars in our galaxy are

rotating around the galactic centre.Within the next 5000- 10000 years all these

virtual constellations will change their shapes totally . So ,How do we relate

earthly happenings to these constellations and planets now , and what about

astrology 10,000 years from now , when these Rasis / constellations will be Non

-existent or deformed shapes . Any Explanations ...Gurujis and learned ones.

Please.Awaiting reply ,

Regards,Aryabhatt.----------------------

>

>

>

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PUNITyakshi_yakshi <yakshi_yakshi > wrote:

Okay, let me try to answer this question. I've thought about it, because I find

that *some* predictions made by *some* astrologers are uncannily accurate, i.e.

the probability of the prediction coming true is much higher than chance. On the

other hand, the theory behind astrology *sounds* suspect, as you (and other

skeptics) point out. For me, this is a philosophy of science issue: correct

predictions based on 'unsound' premises.There are two parts to your question.

Let us start with the first, it deals with causality. The issue is: how can

planets flying around in space cause changes in my life? There are a couple of

assumptions here. 1) Planets are concrete physical objects, and they are way

too far off to influence me. 2) My life, on the other hand, is an abstract

process, and it is happening here. So how can the movement of a concrete ball

of matter out there cause me to get a job, or get married here?To get a grip on

this, first you have to take many steps back, into the premises of Indian

philosophy. For most of Indian philosophy, the human being is not an isolated

entity that roams the earth randomly. Indian philosophy considers every entity

to be connected with every other, it considers entities as "situated" within a

web of other entities. This makes every entity depend on other entities, and

prone to oscillations based on the behaviour of other entities. This

interactionist metaphysics is what leads to the planet-affecting-life

model.This is not a very controversial view in science these days, because we

know that subatomic particles and entire galaxies remain stable (or wander

off), depending on the behaviour of other particles or galaxies around them.The

controversy starts here: current physics is mostly localist, that is, it

considers only local entities to influence the behaviour of another entity. So

the apple falls because of earth's gravity, not because of the way the Milky

Way is rotating. There is an exception to this localism, though. This concerns

non-linear systems like the weather, where very minute vibrations in one part

of the world can set off a chain of non-linear effects and result in a major

effect in another part of the world. A common example is: a butterfly's

wingbeat in India can be amplified in a non-linear pattern, and can result in a

typhoon in Cuba.This non-linearity gives you a possible way by which movements

of far-off planets can influence your life here, i.e. a non-local effect.

However, there is still a problem. My life is an abstract thing, the movements

of planets is the movement of matter. How can the latter influence the

former?One possible way would be to consider both matter and life as processes

or patterns (All processes are patterns). We know that life (as in biological

life) is just a process/pattern, because all the cells in your body get

replaced every seven years. If life is a physical thing, this replacement

wouldn't be possible. Also, according to current physics, all matter is just a

coagulation of energy, it is a stable process/pattern in space-time. So now we

have both planets and life converted to one fundamental entity, patterns. Now,

changes in one pattern *could* affect the other non-linearly.This brings us to

the second half of your question, which is: the galaxies and planets are

changing all the time, so how can structures superimposed on them by our

ancestors predict current, or future, events?I must say that this is a vexing

question, given that astrology does manage to make accurate predictions. A

possibility would be this: the ancestors were not talking about planets and

their movements through imaginary constellations. The talk about constellations

and planets is a way of getting at a more foundational relation, which is a

larger pattern influencing a smaller one. The movements of constellations and

stars and planets capture a stable pattern, a pattern that stays constant even

when the individual entities involved (like galaxies) move around. This is very

similar to the process of life staying stable even when the individual entities

involved (cells) get replaced. So the foundational principle of astrology is

just one big pattern influencing a smaller one non-locally. It is laid out

using the structure of planets and constellations. The

planet-constellation-star talk is just metaphor, it is a bit like physicists

drawing nice pictures of balls to represent atoms and other particles, even

though the particles are just probabilities based on time and space. Now, your

"good" time is the period where your pattern (or the you-pattern) comes in sync

with the larger, universal, pattern. Your bad time is when your pattern is

out-of-sync with the universal pattern. The predictions are based on this

fundamental structure. The sync and out-of-sync can be highly varied, and they

result in different ways the you-pattern will behave. This pattern relation is

the reason why astrologers advice you to pray to God, as a way of making life

easier even when your planetary configuration is not ideal. In Hinduism, God

is just this larger, universal, pattern. Heartfelt praying is a way of

influencing this pattern to come in sync with your own pattern. I agree with

the opinion expressed by others that this influencing can happen even if you

are non-Hindu. Patterns don't care about our labels and history and politics!

:-)Did all that make any sense? :-)Yvedic astrology,

Aryabhatt Astrologer <xycsu> wrote:> Dear Astrologers and Gurujis , I

have a doubt .Please enlighten me on this query.--------->The universe consists

of billions of galaxies each containing billions of stars. Our galaxy- Milky way

is one of those galaxies containing 100 billion stars. Out of these we can see

6000 with naked eyes . Some of these are near some are far .( 5 to 200 light

year ). One light year = 1 trillion Kms. These stars form virtual shapes(

constellations ) as seen from earth. Our ancestors related these virtual shapes

to things on earth and gave these constellations the similiar properties. Now

all the stars in our galaxy are rotating around the galactic centre.Within the

next 5000- 10000 years all these virtual constellations will change their

shapes totally . So ,How do we relate earthly happenings to these

constellations and planets now , and what about astrology 10,000 years from

now , when these Rasis / constellations will be Non -existent or deformed

shapes . Any Explanations ...Gurujis and learned ones. Please.Awaiting reply ,

Regards,Aryabhatt.---------------------- > >

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