Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 I appreciate your thoughts on idiolectical idiosyncracies and public forums. That is very interesting. Internet communications still comprise terra incognita - I have no question about that. However, it is an obfuscation of my email to suggest that I was calling out to the "grownups" when I shared my perception that the list's founders' standpoint and intent is much more open. I did not in any way even implicitly call for disciplinary action; that was just a philosophical bookmark. Sarva mangalam, J.I. Abbot In a message dated 4/23/2003 4:40:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, rageshwari75 writes: And let us not call upon moderation from Guruji Sanjayji and Narasimhaji on every single discussion that takes place on this list. We are all grown-ups here. So let us handle these difference of opinions on our own, shall we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Nice to see that you took much time to read and fight my posts. Indeed it is nice. You are saying that you are not here in this list to sing praise of any system. You said that you like to learn different systems. I was searching hurrily for some examples as Sanjay was interested to see, and found that in SATVA list, you have once said to someone, "Hi! Welcome to the list! You have certainly landed in the right place to learn vedic astrology. The Professor has brilliantly cleared and removed the contradictory and confusing principles you will find in other vedic astrology teachings - and there are many!"Again...... "This is one of the most active forums on vedic astrology...And it is because of 2 things - the Professor's active and pronounced list presence, and because SA works." (Taken from satva/message/21793) Sandy, in SATVA list you, along with other SA fans, continuously make disrespectful, exalt, loud, and teasing comments on Pure Vedic Astrology. You and other followers of SA call Vedic Astrology to be 'Traditional Astrology'. By this you all try to indicate that it is only 'Traditional' but wrong, unworthy, mistakeful, bogus. Actually the Sastra you call 'Traditional Vedic Astrology' should be only called 'Vedic Astrology'. Because Vedic Astrology means something gotten from Vedas. There is no need to call it 'Traditional' or anything. Simply call it 'Vedic Astrology' as it should be called. And remember here that your that SA can never be called Vedic Astrology since it is not gotten from Vedas but gotten from so called research by Choudhry and it does not follow 90% rules of pure Vedic Astrology that is why never even dare to call this rubbish to be 'Vedic Astrology'. I think you understand my point. You said in the above quote "other vedic astrology". What nonsense is this??? I ask you "HOW MANY" Vedic AstrologIES are out there? Vedic Astrology is not something like SA that people will create it. Vedic Astrology is a "SASTRA" which was gotten from LORD BRAHMA and passed down through great sages. So there is ONLY ONE THING called "Vedic Astrology". When you or anyone like Choudhry modify the Sastra for the sake of much more accuracy, then you simply IMPURE IT. Because Vedic Astrology needs no correction or altering, since neither you nor your so called "Professor" is much knowledgeable than Brahma who gave is the Sastra of Vedic Astrology. Vedic Astrology needs to be practiced to be deeply understood. But it does NOT needs alteration or change. It is like saying that you found some mistakes in Vedas so you changed to do some correction. Remember, Vedic Astrology is the eye of vedas. This is amazing to see that people like Choudhry are suddenly poping up and making "New Vedic Astrologies" !!!! How stupid, it makes me feel sad, makes me luagh, and makes me think how people tolerate this. Personal view is always in Vedic Astrology but when almost everything is changed, then it can not be called 'Vedic Astrology' anymore. You and other "wise" people make all disrespectful comments on Pure Vedic Astrology in SATVA lists, and here you want RESPECT? When you disrespect Vedic Astrology, you just disrespect Vedas because the Sastra is the eye of Vedas. You do all those rubbish discussion, we never disturb you debating SATVA list. You make all rubbish comments on Pure Vedic Astrology in SATVA list, we do not interrupt. Similarly here we are discovering the fakeness of SA, do not disturb us either. To discuss SA matters you have SATVA list, devote much more times there, you will be able to sell more "power kavachs" and improve people's life like magic. You do not need to fight here about SA, because this list is not about SA. This list is about PURE VEDIC ASTROLOGY what you try to tease calling "Traditional Vedic Astrology". Reminding you again, there is ONLY ONE Vedic Astrology. Gotten from Vedas. Your SA can never called Vedic Astrology. Here we discuss about all the Pure Vedic Astrology matters what SA does not even recognise. So do not waste time here, people here comes to learn Pure Vedic Astrology gotten from Vedas. They do not want to hear about your SA, because it is so simple, that if they were interested about SA or power kavach then they would be in SATVA instead of being here. So I hope you understand my point. Do not waste your time discussing matters which are 'Confusing', 'Contradictory' and null, void. Devotr much time on SA. See we are not much intelligent like Choudhry to understand SA. You clearly think that Pure Vedic Astrology is wrong, then it means we all are wrong, the sages are wrong, vedas is wrong. That is enough for us to hear. You think we are wrong, that is no matter to us. Just do not waste your time here. This is no place to promote your SA. You just change your face telling that you like to learn all techniques of astrology. But the comment of you I quoted from SATVA list, clearly shows that you believe ans use ONLY SA. You know Choudhry is brilliant, you know SA works, you know other systems than SA has many problems. Then your statement that you are here to learn other systems got totally false and lie statement. Anyway, I will have to do some other works and that is all I wanted to tell you. Do not waste your time here in confusing and contradictory matters, that is the bottom line. Deepak The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Dear Abbot-ji, I would not exactly phrase the reply by Deepakji as "angry and fundamentalist", but rather passionate. And let us not call upon moderation from Guruji Sanjayji and Narasimhaji on every single discussion that takes place on this list. We are all grown-ups here. So let us handle these difference of opinions on our own, shall we? Now coming to the original post by Deepakji. Firstly, I would like to thank him (!) for making so many good points in a single post. The points he made are all quite true. I have personally witnessed many people getting insulted by Mr. VKC and others on SA list when the only thing these folks did was to use the concepts of Vedic Astrology to make a prediction. That does not imply that we should get back at them or anything like that on this list. But what Deepakji is implying is - please leave us alone on this list to practice and learn the concepts of pure Vedic Astrology and educate our cohorts on the shortcomings of other disciplines. I also completely agree with another emotion expressed by Deepakji i.e. the tendency of all people such as VKC to use the buzz word "Vedic" and encash on that whereas in reality they hardly preach/practice anything "Vedic". This, in the eyes of many passionate Vedic learners/preachers, seem like hijacking our knowledge and symbolism(s). I have many objections against what VKC does with SA. But again I, like Deepakji, am ready to not indulge myself with SA. But my limits are tested when they try to sell people things under the name of Vedic Astrology, things that don't work!!! And I loose my patience when VKC and his followers say bad things about Vedic Astrology which in fact has been practised in India for thousands of years. Now how can anybody undo the knowledge gained by thousands of generations over thousands of years in a couple of years? It is common sense to think that VKC and his followers are over-working their genius. Sandy expressed her concern in one of her previous mails as to what is wrong in making money? Now in western world, making money is part of your very being. However, in Sat-yuga and Treta-yuga Bharat (India), making money was not the primary goal of life of preachers/teachers of Vedic sciences. What was supreme to these beings was in fact the blessings of Vedic Gods and Godesses so that they can attain the knowledge in its truest form. However, in this time of Kali-yuga, even preachers/teachers of Vedic sciences have to worry about making a living and it is not wrong, because as I said this is Kali-yuga wherein everybody has to worry about making their own living. But even in Kali-yuga I fail to sympathize with anybody making money, in the name of Vedic science, and not providing proper service in return. And excuse me, but VKC and his SA followers are taking tonnes of money from people but are not providing proper service in return. And this would not be tolerated in a purely capitalistic societies of Kali-yuga. I think Deepakji here diligently made a lot of good points. As for his tone, this is what I would like to say. You see, English is a kind of funny language, in the sense that it is very hard to express what you truly feel in this language unless "maybe" one has spoken English all his/her life or has done his/her Liberal Arts degree in English, which is obviously not true in case of most of us on this list. Coming from India, I know that "being rude" is one of the common impressions we end up giving to a lot of non-Indians while communicating in English. I myself am caught into this trap a lot many times. Ofcourse, I cannot speak for Deepakji in this regard, but rather can only offer a guess. To Deepakji - Kudos to you for the passion and zeal for Vedic Astrology that you have displayed. Namaste. Rageshwari. vedic astrology, jiabbot@c... wrote: > Why does this have to be an angry and fundamentalist list? PVR Narasimha > Raoji and Sanjay Rathji certainly don't seem interested in the list taking > this direction. So why does this have to keep happening? > > > J.I. Abbot In a message dated 4/23/2003 2:47:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, > deepak_28_2 writes: > > Sandy, > > > > Nice to see that you took much time to read and fight my posts. Indeed it > > is nice. > > > > You are saying that you are not here in this list to sing praise of any > > system. You said that you like to learn different systems. > > > > I was searching hurrily for some examples as Sanjay was interested to see, > > and found that in SATVA list, you have once said to someone, > > > > "Hi! Welcome to the list! You have certainly landed in the right place to > > learn vedic astrology. The Professor has brilliantly cleared and removed > > the contradictory and confusing principles you will find in other vedic > > astrology teachings - and there are many!" > > > > Again...... > > > > "This is one of the most active forums on vedic astrology...And it is > > because of 2 things - the Professor's active and pronounced list presence, > > and because SA works." > > > > (Taken from <A HREF="satva/message/21793">\ satva/message/21793</A>) > > > > Sandy, in SATVA list you, along with other SA fans, continuously make > > disrespectful, exalt, loud, and teasing comments on Pure Vedic Astrology. > > You and other followers of SA call Vedic Astrology to be 'Traditional > > Astrology'. By this you all try to indicate that it is only 'Traditional' > > but wrong, unworthy, mistakeful, bogus. Actually the Sastra you call > > 'Traditional Vedic Astrology' should be only called 'Vedic Astrology'. > > Because Vedic Astrology means something gotten from Vedas. There is no need > > to call it 'Traditional' or anything. Simply call it 'Vedic Astrology' as > > it should be called. > > > > And remember here that your that SA can never be called Vedic Astrology > > since it is not gotten from Vedas but gotten from so called research by > > Choudhry and it does not follow 90% rules of pure Vedic Astrology that is > > why never even dare to call this rubbish to be 'Vedic Astrology'. I think > > you understand my point. > > > > You said in the above quote "other vedic astrology". What nonsense is > > this??? I ask you "HOW MANY" Vedic AstrologIES are out there? Vedic > > Astrology is not something like SA that people will create it. Vedic > > Astrology is a "SASTRA" which was gotten from LORD BRAHMA and passed down > > through great sages. So there is ONLY ONE THING called "Vedic Astrology". > > When you or anyone like Choudhry modify the Sastra for the sake of much > > more accuracy, then you simply IMPURE IT. Because Vedic Astrology needs no > > correction or altering, since neither you nor your so called "Professor" is > > much knowledgeable than Brahma who gave is the Sastra of Vedic Astrology. > > > > Vedic Astrology needs to be practiced to be deeply understood. But it does > > NOT needs alteration or change. It is like saying that you found some > > mistakes in Vedas so you changed to do some correction. Remember, Vedic > > Astrology is the eye of vedas. > > > > This is amazing to see that people like Choudhry are suddenly poping up > > and making "New Vedic Astrologies" !!!! How stupid, it makes me feel sad, > > makes me luagh, and makes me think how people tolerate this. > > > > Personal view is always in Vedic Astrology but when almost everything is > > changed, then it can not be called 'Vedic Astrology' anymore. > > > > You and other "wise" people make all disrespectful comments on Pure Vedic > > Astrology in SATVA lists, and here you want RESPECT? When you disrespect > > Vedic Astrology, you just disrespect Vedas because the Sastra is the eye of > > Vedas. > > > > You do all those rubbish discussion, we never disturb you debating SATVA > > list. You make all rubbish comments on Pure Vedic Astrology in SATVA list, > > we do not interrupt. Similarly here we are discovering the fakeness of SA, > > do not disturb us either. To discuss SA matters you have SATVA list, devote > > much more times there, you will be able to sell more "power kavachs" and > > improve people's life like magic. > > > > You do not need to fight here about SA, because this list is not about SA. > > This list is about PURE VEDIC ASTROLOGY what you try to tease calling > > "Traditional Vedic Astrology". Reminding you again, there is ONLY ONE Vedic > > Astrology. Gotten from Vedas. Your SA can never called Vedic Astrology. > > > > Here we discuss about all the Pure Vedic Astrology matters what SA does > > not even recognise. So do not waste time here, people here comes to learn > > Pure Vedic Astrology gotten from Vedas. They do not want to hear about your > > SA, because it is so simple, that if they were interested about SA or power > > kavach then they would be in SATVA instead of being here. > > > > So I hope you understand my point. Do not waste your time discussing > > matters which are 'Confusing', 'Contradictory' and null, void. Devotr much > > time on SA. See we are not much intelligent like Choudhry to understand SA. > > You clearly think that Pure Vedic Astrology is wrong, then it means we all > > are wrong, the sages are wrong, vedas is wrong. That is enough for us to > > hear. You think we are wrong, that is no matter to us. Just do not waste > > your time here. This is no place to promote your SA. > > > > You just change your face telling that you like to learn all techniques of > > astrology. But the comment of you I quoted from SATVA list, clearly shows > > that you believe ans use ONLY SA. You know Choudhry is brilliant, you know > > SA works, you know other systems than SA has many problems. Then your > > statement that you are here to learn other systems got totally false and > > lie statement. > > > > Anyway, I will have to do some other works and that is all I wanted to > > tell you. Do not waste your time here in confusing and contradictory > > matters, that is the bottom line. > > > > Deepak > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 I am feeling very happy to see that you have understood and appreciated my points. My heartily greetings for you. Best wishes and namaste,Deepak vedic astrology, "rageshwari75" <rageshwari75> wrote:> Dear Abbot-ji,> > I would not exactly phrase the reply by Deepakji as "angry and> fundamentalist", but rather passionate. And let us not call upon> moderation from Guruji Sanjayji and Narasimhaji on every single> discussion that takes place on this list. We are all grown-ups here.> So let us handle these difference of opinions on our own, shall we?> > Now coming to the original post by Deepakji. Firstly, I would like to> thank him (!) for making so many good points in a single post. The> points he made are all quite true. I have personally witnessed many> people getting insulted by Mr. VKC and others on SA list when the only> thing these folks did was to use the concepts of Vedic Astrology to> make a prediction. That does not imply that we should get back at them> or anything like that on this list. But what Deepakji is implying is -> please leave us alone on this list to practice and learn the concepts> of pure Vedic Astrology and educate our cohorts on the shortcomings of> other disciplines.> > I also completely agree with another emotion expressed by Deepakji> i.e. the tendency of all people such as VKC to use the buzz word> "Vedic" and encash on that whereas in reality they hardly> preach/practice anything "Vedic". This, in the eyes of many passionate> Vedic learners/preachers, seem like hijacking our knowledge and> symbolism(s). I have many objections against what VKC does with SA.> But again I, like Deepakji, am ready to not indulge myself with SA.> But my limits are tested when they try to sell people things under the> name of Vedic Astrology, things that don't work!!! And I loose my> patience when VKC and his followers say bad things about Vedic> Astrology which in fact has been practised in India for thousands of> years. Now how can anybody undo the knowledge gained by thousands of> generations over thousands of years in a couple of years? It is common> sense to think that VKC and his followers are over-working their genius.> > Sandy expressed her concern in one of her previous mails as to what is> wrong in making money? Now in western world, making money is part of> your very being. However, in Sat-yuga and Treta-yuga Bharat (India),> making money was not the primary goal of life of preachers/teachers of> Vedic sciences. What was supreme to these beings was in fact the> blessings of Vedic Gods and Godesses so that they can attain the> knowledge in its truest form. However, in this time of Kali-yuga, even> preachers/teachers of Vedic sciences have to worry about making a> living and it is not wrong, because as I said this is Kali-yuga> wherein everybody has to worry about making their own living. But even> in Kali-yuga I fail to sympathize with anybody making money, in the> name of Vedic science, and not providing proper service in return. And> excuse me, but VKC and his SA followers are taking tonnes of money> from people but are not providing proper service in return. And this> would not be tolerated in a purely capitalistic societies of Kali-yuga.> > I think Deepakji here diligently made a lot of good points. As for his> tone, this is what I would like to say. You see, English is a kind of> funny language, in the sense that it is very hard to express what you> truly feel in this language unless "maybe" one has spoken English all> his/her life or has done his/her Liberal Arts degree in English, which> is obviously not true in case of most of us on this list. Coming from> India, I know that "being rude" is one of the common impressions we> end up giving to a lot of non-Indians while communicating in English.> I myself am caught into this trap a lot many times. Ofcourse, I cannot> speak for Deepakji in this regard, but rather can only offer a guess.> > To Deepakji - Kudos to you for the passion and zeal for Vedic> Astrology that you have displayed.> > Namaste.> > Rageshwari. The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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