Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Dear Shri Chandrashekhar and List, Greetings to you all! First, I would like to reaffirm to you that you have in no way hurt me by being blunt and forthright in your post. Well, I can only speak for myself, and in fact I appreciate and welcome your candid views and observation expressed quite nicely on this list. Tell me how else can we have real dialogue without presenting across what we think or understand without the element of truthfulness and frankness? Shri Chandrashekhar, I wish to share my views with reference to a couple of points you have raised in your response. [shri Chandrashekhar] This means that these are the attributes of Americans, solely. I do not to this view of thinking… Well, I am glad that you don't to this view, and neither do I. Objectivity or any other quality of humane-ness is NOT an exclusive propriety of the Americans neither is any particular race, caste, religion or nation the custodian of anything exemplary that we deem noble. Having said that, I cannot but admit that there are certain qualities that have been instilled or prevalent in a given culture of a particular outfit, organization or nation. Here, it is quite evident and those of you who have worked in US will attest to this that there is a laudable degree of objectivity and impassiveness amongst the people of America and especially in their corporate culture and professional life, notwithstanding the hideous episodes involving Enron, AA, etc. We Indians are an emotional lot, quite sentimental about a number of things and we certainly fail to exhibit freedom from our cultural imposition and demonstrate free spirit of enquiry in whatever we do. May be not all of us but most of us are steeped in our past to a very large extent, to me this deters us from being objective. Shri Chandrashekhar, with regards to your views on the Iraq war etc, I shall refrain from commenting on the same coz' I think it is off-topic on this list. However, one thing I wish to convey here is that HYPOCRISY is an important ingredient in POLITICS. FYKI, even the great Mahatma revered by Indians all over demonstrated hypocrisy blatantly in his life! My warmest regards and best wishes to all on the list! Thank you, Anupama vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Anupama, > If I may add my two bits worth, reference to cheiro and western astrology arose as, some others on the list were saying about failure of Indian Astrologers. In a science which is predictive, whether it comes from east or west should not matter. Even your reply speaks of having aquired being objective and impassive as a part of your training in the US. > This means that these are the attributes of Americans, solely. I do not to this view of thinking, specially the objectyive thinkers that rule that country tells India to solve attack on their people by another country through dialogue and in the same breath declare war on two countries one of which is even not at war with them. The predictions of these objective and impassive persons re. Iraq war and what is happening on the ground is for all the world to see. > By the way, let me make it clear that I was not one of those who made the predictions about cricket match. I just do not like people with bias criticising others, without themselves trying to put their neck on line. This does not mean you, lest you misunderstand. > If you feel I have hurt anybody by being blunt, I beg everybody's pardon in advance as that is not my intention. > Chandrashekhar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Hi Anupama, Sorry for interrupting in your intellectual "dialogue" with one of the respected members of the group Mr.Chandrashekhar ji. If your aim is to belittle the intellectual capacity or the astrological ability of the Gurus, I think you are better off doing it in private. If your aim is to say that there are better ways of predicting than what the Gurus teach here, please let everyone know so that people can benefit out of that. If you are here for learning the divine science I would greatly appreciate if you get going with learning the lessons and the intricacies involved in predicting events. As you have rightly observed not everything that is predicted here is not happening. That is not because people are incompetent here. Everyone here is for learning and honing their skills. Right from Guru Sanjay Rath to Guru Narasimha and other gurus, no one claims that they have completed their study of this science. Everyone openly admits that they are also learning as we students are.Only difference between the gurus and the students is the level of understanding of different concepts of predictive principles. I don't know if any science can be learnt by questioning the teachers and the science itself. If that is your approach, good luck with it and God bless you with all the knowledge that you seek. Once again pardon me for jumping in. But my idea was to get on with lessons and stop washing dirty linen in public. Regards, Sai --- anupama888 <anupama888 wrote: > Dear Shri Chandrashekhar and List, > > Greetings to you all! > > First, I would like to reaffirm to you that you have > in no way hurt > me by being blunt and forthright in your post. Well, > I can only speak > for myself, and in fact I appreciate and welcome > your candid views > and observation expressed quite nicely on this list. > Tell me how else > can we have real dialogue without presenting across > what we think or > understand without the element of truthfulness and > frankness? > > Shri Chandrashekhar, I wish to share my views with > reference to a > couple of points you have raised in your response. > > [shri Chandrashekhar] This means that these are the > attributes of > Americans, solely. I do not to this view > of thinking… > > Well, I am glad that you don't to this > view, and > neither do I. Objectivity or any other quality of > humane-ness is NOT > an exclusive propriety of the Americans neither is > any particular > race, caste, religion or nation the custodian of > anything exemplary > that we deem noble. Having said that, I cannot but > admit that there > are certain qualities that have been instilled or > prevalent in a > given culture of a particular outfit, organization > or nation. Here, > it is quite evident and those of you who have worked > in US will > attest to this that there is a laudable degree of > objectivity and > impassiveness amongst the people of America and > especially in their > corporate culture and professional life, > notwithstanding the hideous > episodes involving Enron, AA, etc. > > We Indians are an emotional lot, quite sentimental > about a number of > things and we certainly fail to exhibit freedom from > our cultural > imposition and demonstrate free spirit of enquiry in > whatever we do. > May be not all of us but most of us are steeped in > our past to a very > large extent, to me this deters us from being > objective. > > Shri Chandrashekhar, with regards to your views on > the Iraq war etc, > I shall refrain from commenting on the same coz' I > think it is > off-topic on this list. However, one thing I wish to > convey here is > that HYPOCRISY is an important ingredient in > POLITICS. FYKI, even the > great Mahatma revered by Indians all over > demonstrated hypocrisy > blatantly in his life! > > My warmest regards and best wishes to all on the > list! > > Thank you, > > Anupama > > > > vedic astrology, > "Chandrashekhar" > <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Anupama, > > If I may add my two bits worth, reference to > cheiro and western > astrology arose as, some others on the list were > saying about failure > of Indian Astrologers. In a science which is > predictive, whether it > comes from east or west should not matter. Even your > reply speaks of > having aquired being objective and impassive as a > part of your > training in the US. > > This means that these are the attributes of > Americans, solely. I do > not to this view of thinking, specially > the objectyive > thinkers that rule that country tells India to solve > attack on their > people by another country through dialogue and in > the same breath > declare war on two countries one of which is even > not at war with > them. The predictions of these objective and > impassive persons re. > Iraq war and what is happening on the ground is for > all the world to > see. > > By the way, let me make it clear that I was not > one of those who > made the predictions about cricket match. I just do > not like people > with bias criticising others, without themselves > trying to put their > neck on line. This does not mean you, lest you > misunderstand. > > If you feel I have hurt anybody by being blunt, I > beg everybody's > pardon in advance as that is not my intention. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum. 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Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Dear Anupama, Thank you for taking the comments in right spirit.About the examples cited by me, they could as well have been about slavery and supporting Dictators etc., but as war was the current topic, I gave that example. I also accept that Hypocricy is another name for politics and even Indian leaders are not averse to it. The point I was making was about the tendency of critising the surgeon by conducting post- martem instead of daring to conduct surgery oneself. Chandrashekhar. - anupama888 vedic astrology Monday, March 31, 2003 9:17 PM [vedic astrology] Please Keep Sharing Your Views. Dear Shri Chandrashekhar and List,Greetings to you all!First, I would like to reaffirm to you that you have in no way hurt me by being blunt and forthright in your post. Well, I can only speak for myself, and in fact I appreciate and welcome your candid views and observation expressed quite nicely on this list. Tell me how else can we have real dialogue without presenting across what we think or understand without the element of truthfulness and frankness?Shri Chandrashekhar, I wish to share my views with reference to a couple of points you have raised in your response.[shri Chandrashekhar] This means that these are the attributes of Americans, solely. I do not to this view of thinking…Well, I am glad that you don't to this view, andneither do I. Objectivity or any other quality of humane-ness is NOT an exclusive propriety of the Americans neither is any particular race, caste, religion or nation the custodian of anything exemplary that we deem noble. Having said that, I cannot but admit that there are certain qualities that have been instilled or prevalent in a given culture of a particular outfit, organization or nation. Here, it is quite evident and those of you who have worked in US will attest to this that there is a laudable degree of objectivity and impassiveness amongst the people of America and especially in their corporate culture and professional life, notwithstanding the hideous episodes involving Enron, AA, etc. We Indians are an emotional lot, quite sentimental about a number of things and we certainly fail to exhibit freedom from our cultural imposition and demonstrate free spirit of enquiry in whatever we do. May be not all of us but most of us are steeped in our past to a very large extent, to me this deters us from being objective.Shri Chandrashekhar, with regards to your views on the Iraq war etc, I shall refrain from commenting on the same coz' I think it isoff-topic on this list. However, one thing I wish to convey here is that HYPOCRISY is an important ingredient in POLITICS. FYKI, even the great Mahatma revered by Indians all over demonstrated hypocrisy blatantly in his life!My warmest regards and best wishes to all on the list!Thank you,Anupama vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Anupama,> If I may add my two bits worth, reference to cheiro and western astrology arose as, some others on the list were saying about failure of Indian Astrologers. In a science which is predictive, whether it comes from east or west should not matter. Even your reply speaks of having aquired being objective and impassive as a part of your training in the US.> This means that these are the attributes of Americans, solely. I do not to this view of thinking, specially the objectyive thinkers that rule that country tells India to solve attack on their people by another country through dialogue and in the same breath declare war on two countries one of which is even not at war with them. The predictions of these objective and impassive persons re. Iraq war and what is happening on the ground is for all the world to see.> By the way, let me make it clear that I was not one of those who made the predictions about cricket match. I just do not like people with bias criticising others, without themselves trying to put their neck on line. This does not mean you, lest you misunderstand.> If you feel I have hurt anybody by being blunt, I beg everybody's pardon in advance as that is not my intention.> Chandrashekhar.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Dear Anupama, Re the objectivity and impassiveness of Americans - I think may be confusing style and substance. As someone who has in passing worked with Americans, and found the majority of them amazingly endearing people who are actually let down by our perceptions of them - I think they are like anyone else. However, the matter of style across cultures is another matter. For example, I found that Americans are much nicer to people they admire and need, than to people they think they do not need. Most people are. But Americans do not disguise this. They also make up their minds far too quickly. And value articulateness too much perhaps. A very Geminian culture. They also have an enormous admiration for things American and as they do not travel abroad a lot (it is a big country) they are not very objective in their comparisons. I was invited out on outings (e.g bald mountain sound and light show) that I was not very interested in. However, I was of course not rude enough to say so, being from an Indian/Asian cultural background, as it was extremely kind of them to trouble. The same with food - Italian food that was run for the mill in Australia was considered gourmet fare there (and they paid heaps for it). And they absolutely hate not being the best - to the point of denial. Overall, they are a migrant culture, physically separated from older cultures that few get to experience. Their reality is often shaped by what they are told - and they have the most marketing driven culture in the world. They are very open, especially about their personal lives, which they convey to people they have just met, a very disconcerting habit. Especially for taciturn Australians who encounter them (who could know you for 20 years but would never discuss their PERSONAL lives). On the whole, I liked them very much. But could not stand to live there for too long. 2 months was my max and I was homesick for Australia. On the other hand, I have been living in the UK for the last 6 years, and am still figuring them out.... But that is for another email. As an admiring Egyptian once said, "Ah the British, they are subtle....". Alas, I, being a Gemini, am not. Nimmi - "anupama888" <anupama888 <vedic astrology> Monday, March 31, 2003 4:47 PM [vedic astrology] Please Keep Sharing Your Views. Dear Shri Chandrashekhar and List, Greetings to you all! First, I would like to reaffirm to you that you have in no way hurt me by being blunt and forthright in your post. Well, I can only speak for myself, and in fact I appreciate and welcome your candid views and observation expressed quite nicely on this list. Tell me how else can we have real dialogue without presenting across what we think or understand without the element of truthfulness and frankness? Shri Chandrashekhar, I wish to share my views with reference to a couple of points you have raised in your response. [shri Chandrashekhar] This means that these are the attributes of Americans, solely. I do not to this view of thinking. Well, I am glad that you don't to this view, and neither do I. Objectivity or any other quality of humane-ness is NOT an exclusive propriety of the Americans neither is any particular race, caste, religion or nation the custodian of anything exemplary that we deem noble. Having said that, I cannot but admit that there are certain qualities that have been instilled or prevalent in a given culture of a particular outfit, organization or nation. Here, it is quite evident and those of you who have worked in US will attest to this that there is a laudable degree of objectivity and impassiveness amongst the people of America and especially in their corporate culture and professional life, notwithstanding the hideous episodes involving Enron, AA, etc. We Indians are an emotional lot, quite sentimental about a number of things and we certainly fail to exhibit freedom from our cultural imposition and demonstrate free spirit of enquiry in whatever we do. May be not all of us but most of us are steeped in our past to a very large extent, to me this deters us from being objective. Shri Chandrashekhar, with regards to your views on the Iraq war etc, I shall refrain from commenting on the same coz' I think it is off-topic on this list. However, one thing I wish to convey here is that HYPOCRISY is an important ingredient in POLITICS. FYKI, even the great Mahatma revered by Indians all over demonstrated hypocrisy blatantly in his life! My warmest regards and best wishes to all on the list! Thank you, Anupama vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Anupama, > If I may add my two bits worth, reference to cheiro and western astrology arose as, some others on the list were saying about failure of Indian Astrologers. In a science which is predictive, whether it comes from east or west should not matter. Even your reply speaks of having aquired being objective and impassive as a part of your training in the US. > This means that these are the attributes of Americans, solely. I do not to this view of thinking, specially the objectyive thinkers that rule that country tells India to solve attack on their people by another country through dialogue and in the same breath declare war on two countries one of which is even not at war with them. The predictions of these objective and impassive persons re. Iraq war and what is happening on the ground is for all the world to see. > By the way, let me make it clear that I was not one of those who made the predictions about cricket match. I just do not like people with bias criticising others, without themselves trying to put their neck on line. This does not mean you, lest you misunderstand. > If you feel I have hurt anybody by being blunt, I beg everybody's pardon in advance as that is not my intention. > Chandrashekhar. Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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