Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Dear Narasimhaji, I too feel that 'dared' word was not appropriate and I am really very sorry for that. However, I do admit that it was not unintentional. I am a member of this list for past one year and haven't seen much fruitful discussions which may sharpen our predictive ability. There are long question answer sessions on different concepts say, Atmakaraka, Ishtadevata, Maranakaraka etc. But we find little here which can strengthen our faith in astrology as a predictive science which it is. We argue for seven or eight Jaimini karakas, but never take pain to test the concepts fruitfully. That is why there are so many controversies in astrology. I do concede that translating planetary message into actual life events is most difficult task but at the same time this is the only touchstone of one's predictive ability and most crucial in revival of astrology as a great science. There are numerous such lists, hundreds of 'big astrologers' and thousands of books all claiming superiority over others. But most of them confine themselves to their vested interests. It is my firm opinion that to establish credibility of astrology and to infuse faith in and gain confidence of fellow students, seniors and gurus must exemplify their predictive competence through such blind readings or publicly predicting about future events. We can judge it then after giving discount for natural likelihood or probability of such events. We should try to point out some major trends of one's life ourselves. Post-mortem analysis leads us nowhere and contending groups may keep on arguing all through their life without coming to a meaningful conclusion. I have had very frustrating experience with many 'big astrologers' when they tried to read a chart without knowing about the person concerned. I was satisfied only (among those I have seen personally) with the working style of Shri K.N.Rao and found him remarkably accurate most of the times. I do advocate his approach for everyone genuienly interested in astrolgy and for its cause. However, I appreciate your genuine interest in this divine science and your efforts for its upliftment keeping aside personal ego. I do request you to maintain and encourage such trends. Praveen Kumar (Mumbai, India) - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:13 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Working Out Astrological Puzzles Namaste Praveen ji, > Among those attempted, Narasimha may be said to be nearest. > Among Gurus, he was the only one who dared to attempt it. Some gurus do attempt puzzles here. If they leave a puzzle, it can be because they suspect the correctness of the data or simply don't have time. In any case, "dare" is a somewhat inappropriate word in this context. I was also very skeptical about the data. In the D-24 chart, lagna lord was in 8th with Rahu and Ketu, suggesting poor education, but rasi and D-10 charts seemed to show a successful and wealthy lady. It did not even look like somebody born in a rich family. How can then she be successful despite poor education? Overall, it did not seem to fit. I thought there was some error. So I was very tentative and did not even say anything on the first question on D-24. Now that you gave the answer, it all makes sense. I think the data is reasonably accurate. > The chart belongs to one Bollywood Actress who herself had > handed over the birth details to me. She belongs to a middle > class family and onset of Mercury dasa changed her fortunes > radically. As per my observations, TOB must be correct, > more or less. I just have a few comments to make. She was born in Sukla paksha in Sun's hora. So Shodasottari dasa applies. Rahu is the governor of this dasa. He is the 9th lord from lagna and is in 8th. He is in 5th from AL. He shows success, fortune and sudden rise. He is in exalted Sun's nakshatra and occupies the 7th from Moon. So he represents the desire for power. That will be the main theme of life and events related to the theme will captured by Shodasottari dasa well. Shodasottari dasa (applicable if lagna in Moon's hora in Krishna paksha or in Sun's hora in Sukla paksha): Ket MD: 1986-10-05 (10:50:40) - 2001-10-05 (7:07:23) Antardasas in this MD: Ket: 1986-10-05 (10:50:40) - 1988-09-12 (18:44:51) Moo: 1988-09-12 (18:44:51) - 1990-10-08 (14:57:03) Mer: 1990-10-08 (14:57:03) - 1992-12-18 (3:58:13) Ven: 1992-12-18 (3:58:13) - 1995-04-14 (20:53:11) Sun: 1995-04-14 (20:53:11) - 1996-09-19 (4:45:47) Mar: 1996-09-19 (4:45:47) - 1998-04-05 (3:52:15) Jup: 1998-04-05 (3:52:15) - 1999-12-12 (20:35:44) Sat: 1999-12-12 (20:35:44) - 2001-10-05 (7:07:23) Ketu is in the 2nd house with Moon and will give Moon's results. He is in 11th from AL. So he gives a lot of money and financial gains. In D-10, he is the 2nd lord and occupies 8th. He rules over sustenance and shows sudden rise. Being placed in the 12th from AL, he gives success (12th fropm AL is a good placement from Ketu). He shows excellent success that comes suddenly (8th house placement). Mercury is in the 5th house from lagna. He is the AL lord placed in the 9th house from AL. From Ketu, he is the 5th lord in 10th. So Mercury antardasa in Ketu dasa must've been a great antardasa. It must've brought a turning point in her life (1991-1992). Venus is the owner of lagna as well as 8th and shows mixed results, being in badhaka sthana. He is with Mars in A3 and A8, in the 3rd from AL. He gets the maleficence of Mars and gives good results in the 3rd from AL. He gives material success in career. Being in A3, he gives physical acts that are considered to be manifestations of her boldness (e.g. starting a venture, doing a controversial scene in a movie etc). With the planets involved with A3 in the 3rd from AL being Venus and Mars, this could relate to matters of sex or perhaps an affair with a co-star. In any case, some bold acts are possible in Venus antardasa (1993-1995). Though Venus with Mars gives success (3rd from AL) due to these bold acts (A3), he also gives problems in career (due to being in A8 too). A8 is called mrityu pada and shows death (in career). So some controversies/scandals/affairs make her popular/successful, but also threaten her career. Sun is well-placed in AL in D-10. He is in the 2nd house from Ketu and aspects 5th. Moreover, he occupies A5 in D-10 (along with AL). He shows popularity. He is exalted in rasi. Thus, Sun antardasa in Ketu dasa may have brought the peak of her career (1995-1996). Mars is maraka (2nd and 7th lord) in D-10 and afflicts lagna lord in badhaka sthana. His antardasa may have brought her fall (1997-1998). At the same time, this antardasa may have brought some business activities (Mars is the 7th lord). Mars is in Leo with argala from Sun, in the 11th house of friends (all in D-10). Thus she may have made friendship with some influential people in this antaradasa. Anyway, I'll stop here. I just wanted to try the conditional dasa as it is applicable in this chart. BTW, 2004-2006 is a good time for the lady's career. There is some chance that the second round of recognition will come to her, though not as big as the first time. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Namasthe Praveen Kumar, Sorry for interrupting in between. Off late I have been seeing so many people trying to interrupt the way SJVC works either through disparaging remarks at Gurus or bringing in non-astrological discussions to divert the attention of Gurus and other members. Well if someone likes the approach of some other person(K.N.Rao) in this context they might as well follow him.They need not put in any marketing effort on SJVC site for him. Well people are being taught whatever the Gurus thought was appropriate.Also the whole concept of SJVC was to pass on the divine knowledge that Parasara wanted astrologers to learn. And also talking about other things like Ishtadevata etc is to give an wholistic approach to Astrology which everyone was lacking for such a long time because no one tried to explain the classics. My sincere apologies if I have hurt anyone's sentiments.But if someone feels that right things are not being taught at SJVC they can walk out, also if they think it is not the right approach to teach astrology then if they are competent enough they can start their own school of thought and teach people. I don't think it is the right attitude to disturb students who are learning from the words of wisdom of all the Gurus here. Gurus please forgive me if I am being harsh at anyone, but the whole idea is to get on with learning and not bickering about who is a better teacher and whose approach is good. Regards, Sai --- Praveen Kumar <chunnu2001 wrote: > Dear Narasimhaji, > I too feel that 'dared' word was not appropriate and > I am really very sorry for that. However, I do admit > that it was not unintentional. > I am a member of this list for past one year and > haven't seen much fruitful discussions which may > sharpen our predictive ability. There are long > question answer sessions on different concepts say, > Atmakaraka, Ishtadevata, Maranakaraka etc. But we > find little here which can strengthen our faith in > astrology as a predictive science which it is. We > argue for seven or eight Jaimini karakas, but never > take pain to test the concepts fruitfully. That is > why there are so many controversies in astrology. I > do concede that translating planetary message into > actual life events is most difficult task but at the > same time this is the only touchstone of one's > predictive ability and most crucial in revival of > astrology as a great science. There are numerous > such lists, hundreds of 'big astrologers' and > thousands of books all claiming superiority over > others. But most of them confine themselves to their > vested interests. > > It is my firm opinion that to establish credibility > of astrology and to infuse faith in and gain > confidence of fellow students, seniors and gurus > must exemplify their predictive competence through > such blind readings or publicly predicting about > future events. We can judge it then after giving > discount for natural likelihood or probability of > such events. We should try to point out some major > trends of one's life ourselves. Post-mortem analysis > leads us nowhere and contending groups may keep on > arguing all through their life without coming to a > meaningful conclusion. I have had very frustrating > experience with many 'big astrologers' when they > tried to read a chart without knowing about the > person concerned. I was satisfied only (among those > I have seen personally) with the working style of > Shri K.N.Rao and found him remarkably accurate most > of the times. I do advocate his approach for > everyone genuienly interested in astrolgy and for > its cause. > > However, I appreciate your genuine interest in this > divine science and your efforts for its upliftment > keeping aside personal ego. I do request you to > maintain and encourage such trends. > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai, India) > > > - > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > vedic astrology > Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:13 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Working Out > Astrological Puzzles > > > Namaste Praveen ji, > > > Among those attempted, Narasimha may be said to > be nearest. > > Among Gurus, he was the only one who dared to > attempt it. > > Some gurus do attempt puzzles here. If they leave > a puzzle, it can be because they suspect the > correctness of the data or simply don't have time. > In any case, "dare" is a somewhat inappropriate word > in this context. > > I was also very skeptical about the data. In the > D-24 chart, lagna lord was in 8th with Rahu and > Ketu, suggesting poor education, but rasi and D-10 > charts seemed to show a successful and wealthy lady. > It did not even look like somebody born in a rich > family. How can then she be successful despite poor > education? Overall, it did not seem to fit. I > thought there was some error. So I was very > tentative and did not even say anything on the first > question on D-24. > > Now that you gave the answer, it all makes sense. > I think the data is reasonably accurate. > > > The chart belongs to one Bollywood Actress who > herself had > > handed over the birth details to me. She belongs > to a middle > > class family and onset of Mercury dasa changed > her fortunes > > radically. As per my observations, TOB must be > correct, > > more or less. > > I just have a few comments to make. She was born > in Sukla paksha in Sun's hora. So Shodasottari dasa > applies. Rahu is the governor of this dasa. He is > the 9th lord from lagna and is in 8th. He is in 5th > from AL. He shows success, fortune and sudden rise. > He is in exalted Sun's nakshatra and occupies the > 7th from Moon. So he represents the desire for > power. That will be the main theme of life and > events related to the theme will captured by > Shodasottari dasa well. > > Shodasottari dasa (applicable if lagna in Moon's > hora in Krishna paksha or in Sun's hora in Sukla > paksha): > > Ket MD: 1986-10-05 (10:50:40) - 2001-10-05 > (7:07:23) > > Antardasas in this MD: > > Ket: 1986-10-05 (10:50:40) - 1988-09-12 > (18:44:51) > Moo: 1988-09-12 (18:44:51) - 1990-10-08 > (14:57:03) > Mer: 1990-10-08 (14:57:03) - 1992-12-18 > (3:58:13) > Ven: 1992-12-18 (3:58:13) - 1995-04-14 > (20:53:11) > Sun: 1995-04-14 (20:53:11) - 1996-09-19 > (4:45:47) > Mar: 1996-09-19 (4:45:47) - 1998-04-05 (3:52:15) > Jup: 1998-04-05 (3:52:15) - 1999-12-12 > (20:35:44) > Sat: 1999-12-12 (20:35:44) - 2001-10-05 > (7:07:23) > > Ketu is in the 2nd house with Moon and will give > Moon's results. He is in 11th from AL. So he gives a > lot of money and financial gains. In D-10, he is the > 2nd lord and occupies 8th. He rules over sustenance > and shows sudden rise. Being placed in the 12th from > AL, he gives success (12th fropm AL is a good > placement from Ketu). He shows excellent success > that comes suddenly (8th house placement). > > Mercury is in the 5th house from lagna. He is the > AL lord placed in the 9th house from AL. From Ketu, > he is the 5th lord in 10th. So Mercury antardasa in > Ketu dasa must've been a great antardasa. It must've > brought a turning point in her life (1991-1992). > > Venus is the owner of lagna as well as 8th and > shows mixed results, being in badhaka sthana. He is > with Mars in A3 and A8, in the 3rd from AL. He gets > the maleficence of Mars and gives good results in > the 3rd from AL. He gives material success in > career. Being in A3, he gives physical acts that are > considered to be manifestations of her boldness > (e.g. starting a venture, doing a controversial > scene in a movie etc). With the planets involved > with A3 in the 3rd from AL being Venus and Mars, > this could relate to matters of sex or perhaps an > affair with a co-star. In any case, some bold acts > are possible in Venus antardasa (1993-1995). Though > Venus with Mars gives success (3rd from AL) due to > these bold acts (A3), he also gives problems in > career (due to being in A8 too). A8 is called mrityu > pada and shows death (in career). So some > controversies/scandals/affairs make her > popular/successful, but also threaten her career. > > Sun is well-placed in AL in D-10. He is in the 2nd > house from Ketu and aspects 5th. Moreover, he > occupies A5 in D-10 (along with AL). He shows > popularity. He is exalted in rasi. Thus, Sun > antardasa in Ketu dasa may have brought the peak of > her career (1995-1996). > > Mars is maraka (2nd and 7th lord) in D-10 and > afflicts lagna lord in badhaka sthana. His antardasa > may have brought her fall (1997-1998). At the same > time, this antardasa may have brought some business > activities (Mars is the 7th lord). Mars is in Leo > with argala from Sun, in the 11th house of friends > (all in D-10). Thus she may have made friendship > with some influential people in this antaradasa. > > Anyway, I'll stop here. I just wanted to try the > conditional dasa as it is applicable in this chart. > > BTW, 2004-2006 is a good time for the lady's > career. There is some chance that the second round > of recognition will come to her, though not as big > as the first time. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Dear Praveenkumar, I would not have interefered being a student of astrology, but looking at the tone and content of your response to Narasimha Rao, I could not resist. Since you swear by a method to the detriments and as you say "I do concede that translating planetary message into actual life events is most difficult task but at the same time this is the only touchstone of one's predictive ability and most crucial in revival of astrology as a great science.", I am enclosing details of a chart from which could comment on events that occured on 1)Feb.1974 and 2) November 13 2003 ? First relates to the native and second to his progeny. If this is not posssible could you comment on the Job/profession of the native. The chart is mine and I would like you to try the "infalliable" KN Rao method that you are trying to ipropogate, on this chart. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Praveen Kumar vedic astrology Monday, March 31, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Working Out Astrological Puzzles Dear Narasimhaji, I too feel that 'dared' word was not appropriate and I am really very sorry for that. However, I do admit that it was not unintentional. I am a member of this list for past one year and haven't seen much fruitful discussions which may sharpen our predictive ability. There are long question answer sessions on different concepts say, Atmakaraka, Ishtadevata, Maranakaraka etc. But we find little here which can strengthen our faith in astrology as a predictive science which it is. We argue for seven or eight Jaimini karakas, but never take pain to test the concepts fruitfully. That is why there are so many controversies in astrology. I do concede that translating planetary message into actual life events is most difficult task but at the same time this is the only touchstone of one's predictive ability and most crucial in revival of astrology as a great science. There are numerous such lists, hundreds of 'big astrologers' and thousands of books all claiming superiority over others. But most of them confine themselves to their vested interests. It is my firm opinion that to establish credibility of astrology and to infuse faith in and gain confidence of fellow students, seniors and gurus must exemplify their predictive competence through such blind readings or publicly predicting about future events. We can judge it then after giving discount for natural likelihood or probability of such events. We should try to point out some major trends of one's life ourselves. Post-mortem analysis leads us nowhere and contending groups may keep on arguing all through their life without coming to a meaningful conclusion. I have had very frustrating experience with many 'big astrologers' when they tried to read a chart without knowing about the person concerned. I was satisfied only (among those I have seen personally) with the working style of Shri K.N.Rao and found him remarkably accurate most of the times. I do advocate his approach for everyone genuienly interested in astrolgy and for its cause. However, I appreciate your genuine interest in this divine science and your efforts for its upliftment keeping aside personal ego. I do request you to maintain and encourage such trends. Praveen Kumar (Mumbai, India) - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:13 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Working Out Astrological Puzzles Namaste Praveen ji, > Among those attempted, Narasimha may be said to be nearest. > Among Gurus, he was the only one who dared to attempt it. Some gurus do attempt puzzles here. If they leave a puzzle, it can be because they suspect the correctness of the data or simply don't have time. In any case, "dare" is a somewhat inappropriate word in this context. I was also very skeptical about the data. In the D-24 chart, lagna lord was in 8th with Rahu and Ketu, suggesting poor education, but rasi and D-10 charts seemed to show a successful and wealthy lady. It did not even look like somebody born in a rich family. How can then she be successful despite poor education? Overall, it did not seem to fit. I thought there was some error. So I was very tentative and did not even say anything on the first question on D-24. Now that you gave the answer, it all makes sense. I think the data is reasonably accurate. > The chart belongs to one Bollywood Actress who herself had > handed over the birth details to me. She belongs to a middle > class family and onset of Mercury dasa changed her fortunes > radically. As per my observations, TOB must be correct, > more or less. I just have a few comments to make. She was born in Sukla paksha in Sun's hora. So Shodasottari dasa applies. Rahu is the governor of this dasa. He is the 9th lord from lagna and is in 8th. He is in 5th from AL. He shows success, fortune and sudden rise. He is in exalted Sun's nakshatra and occupies the 7th from Moon. So he represents the desire for power. That will be the main theme of life and events related to the theme will captured by Shodasottari dasa well. Shodasottari dasa (applicable if lagna in Moon's hora in Krishna paksha or in Sun's hora in Sukla paksha): Ket MD: 1986-10-05 (10:50:40) - 2001-10-05 (7:07:23) Antardasas in this MD: Ket: 1986-10-05 (10:50:40) - 1988-09-12 (18:44:51) Moo: 1988-09-12 (18:44:51) - 1990-10-08 (14:57:03) Mer: 1990-10-08 (14:57:03) - 1992-12-18 (3:58:13) Ven: 1992-12-18 (3:58:13) - 1995-04-14 (20:53:11) Sun: 1995-04-14 (20:53:11) - 1996-09-19 (4:45:47) Mar: 1996-09-19 (4:45:47) - 1998-04-05 (3:52:15) Jup: 1998-04-05 (3:52:15) - 1999-12-12 (20:35:44) Sat: 1999-12-12 (20:35:44) - 2001-10-05 (7:07:23) Ketu is in the 2nd house with Moon and will give Moon's results. He is in 11th from AL. So he gives a lot of money and financial gains. In D-10, he is the 2nd lord and occupies 8th. He rules over sustenance and shows sudden rise. Being placed in the 12th from AL, he gives success (12th fropm AL is a good placement from Ketu). He shows excellent success that comes suddenly (8th house placement). Mercury is in the 5th house from lagna. He is the AL lord placed in the 9th house from AL. From Ketu, he is the 5th lord in 10th. So Mercury antardasa in Ketu dasa must've been a great antardasa. It must've brought a turning point in her life (1991-1992). Venus is the owner of lagna as well as 8th and shows mixed results, being in badhaka sthana. He is with Mars in A3 and A8, in the 3rd from AL. He gets the maleficence of Mars and gives good results in the 3rd from AL. He gives material success in career. Being in A3, he gives physical acts that are considered to be manifestations of her boldness (e.g. starting a venture, doing a controversial scene in a movie etc). With the planets involved with A3 in the 3rd from AL being Venus and Mars, this could relate to matters of sex or perhaps an affair with a co-star. In any case, some bold acts are possible in Venus antardasa (1993-1995). Though Venus with Mars gives success (3rd from AL) due to these bold acts (A3), he also gives problems in career (due to being in A8 too). A8 is called mrityu pada and shows death (in career). So some controversies/scandals/affairs make her popular/successful, but also threaten her career. Sun is well-placed in AL in D-10. He is in the 2nd house from Ketu and aspects 5th. Moreover, he occupies A5 in D-10 (along with AL). He shows popularity. He is exalted in rasi. Thus, Sun antardasa in Ketu dasa may have brought the peak of her career (1995-1996). Mars is maraka (2nd and 7th lord) in D-10 and afflicts lagna lord in badhaka sthana. His antardasa may have brought her fall (1997-1998). At the same time, this antardasa may have brought some business activities (Mars is the 7th lord). Mars is in Leo with argala from Sun, in the 11th house of friends (all in D-10). Thus she may have made friendship with some influential people in this antaradasa. Anyway, I'll stop here. I just wanted to try the conditional dasa as it is applicable in this chart. BTW, 2004-2006 is a good time for the lady's career. There is some chance that the second round of recognition will come to her, though not as big as the first time. May Jupiter's light shine on us, NarasimhaArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2003 Report Share Posted April 1, 2003 Dear Respected Sanjayji, You are right about coborns as far as brothers are concerned. I have an elder sister who was born on the same Date three years before me. You have shown why you should be shown respect by the depth of your knowledge and ability to analyse a horoscope which has all the planets in 3 bhavas. I would like to see your analysis after others have a go at it. I have posted the chart to show that even simple principles rightly applied can unravel a chart . One need not even go to Arudha lagna, Badhakesh,Argalas, D Charts other than D-9 etc. if the principles are rightly applied to Natal and Navamsha Charts. At the same time I wanted to show those who espouse one system as superior over other , that it is the application of principles rather than the system that is likely to bring near the right predictions. I was also purturbed when learned Astrologers like Narasimharaoji and others were being belittled because their predictions of cricket match failed. I thought my chart would make astrologers understand that one should respect others for trying to attempt a prediction, rather than belittling them on their failure without attempting one oneself. I take your readings as blessings of a Guru. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Sanjay Rath vedic astrology Tuesday, April 01, 2003 7:37 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Working Out Astrological Puzzles ~Om Gurave Namah~Dear Chandrasekhar ji, Your birthday happens to be our Republic day..nice way to come to this world. Your chart also has so many similarities with that of Swami Vivekananda. You are an extremely spiritual person with four benefic planets in the third and sixth house from Arudha Lagna. The gajakesari yoga is very auspicious as it promises a lot. Some readings - (1) that you will be well aware of the time of your death like Swami Vivekananda and finish your last duties before that. This is a blessing coming from your Guru, and that you will take the holy name of the lord in your last moment. It is as if you are deciding the time when you will leave this planet and shall do with dignity taking the name of Bhagavan. [GK yoga in 3rd from AL] (2) that you shall have a long life but a coborn like brother or cousin may have died early. [sat conjoins Mar] (3) you will see considerable sorrow in this life but will not give any sorrow to anybody as your conscience will not permit it. [sat AK] More after others respond.Best wishes,Sanjay Rath -----H-5 B J B Nagar, Bhubaneswar - 751014, India SJC Web pages: http://.orgPersonal Web: http://srath.com Tel: +91-674-243 6781----- - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:22 AM Fw: [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Working Out Astrological Puzzles Dear Praveenkumar, Sorry I forgot to include my data. It is below.Date of Birth: 26th Jan.1946, Time 04.20hr.s Place of Birth :Chandrapur.India. Long:79E18 Latt:19N57. Time Zone 5.30 East of GMT.Waiting for analysis.Chandrashekhar. - Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 Dear Waldmar, Yes Merc- Saturn exchange position and are vargottama. I am glad you found the puzzle instructive. Chandrashekhar. - walkurk vedic astrology Friday, April 11, 2003 3:19 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Working Out Astrological Puzzles Dear Chandrachekar, Thank you for your very instructive puzzle.The parivartana between Saturn & Mercury is very strong in your chart, due to the vargottama of these 2 planets. It gave us the possibility to see the different aspects of this "exchange of results".Best regardsWaldemar--- In vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Waldemar,> Thank you for attempting the puzzle.> First event was in respect of some project which failed.> Second was birth of my grandson.> I have posted the answer to puzzle in details on the list.> Once again thank you for attempting the puzzle.> Chandrashekhar.> - > walkurk > vedic astrology > Wednesday, April 09, 2003 7:53 PM> [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Working Out Astrological Puzzles> > > Dear Chandrachekar,> > Here is my attempt on your puzzle.> > 1° VD Sat/Mo/Su was running. In Rasi, Saturn gives the results of > Mercury because of parivartana. Moon, Mercury & Sun aspects A4 and > are in 3rd & 6th from AL (renunciation). > In D4, Saturn is in 4th house, Moon & exalted Sun have argalas on it, > guarantying ownership. D4 Narayana dasa Gemini/Pisces give malefic > argalas of Saturn, Mars & Rahu on A4. Theirs lords are in 3rd & 6th > house from AL (renunciation). > It seems to me, that you've made some sacrifices of your self-comfort > & property in this period. That could be some important transactions > relates to real estate, following by hiring and by a lasting > partnership.> > 2° VD Ke/Sa/Me was running. Saturn & Mercury are principal marakas in > your chart, but both parivartana and vargottama can exchange the > results.Venus is sthira karaka and Mercury is rudra for your > daughter. In D7, Mercury is maraka for 5th house (direct count).> In D30, 10th lord Saturn and Mercury are marakas, 8th lord Ketu > aspect Lagna. Mercury is in parivartana with maraka principal Venus. > Was it a dangerous accident to you and your daughter, with a quasi-> miraculous escape? I've read all your messages, but implication of > your progeny isn't clear for me.> > Best regards> Waldemar> > vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" > <boxdel> wrote:> > Dear Praveenkumar,> > I would not have interefered being a student of astrology, but > looking at the tone and content of your response to Narasimha Rao, I > could not resist.> > Since you swear by a method to the detriments and as you say "I do > concede that translating planetary message into actual life events is > most difficult task but at the same time this is the only touchstone > of one's predictive ability and most crucial in revival of astrology > as a great science.", I am enclosing details of a chart from which > could comment on events that occured on> > 1)Feb.1974 and 2) November 13 2003 ?> > First relates to the native and second to his progeny. If this is > not posssible could you comment on the Job/profession of the native. > > The chart is mine and I would like you to try the "infalliable" KN > Rao method that you are trying to ipropogate, on this chart. > > Regards,> > Chandrashekhar.> > - > > Praveen Kumar > > To: vedic astrology > > Monday, March 31, 2003 8:33 PM> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Working Out Astrological > Puzzles> > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji,> > I too feel that 'dared' word was not appropriate and I am really > very sorry for that. However, I do admit that it was not > unintentional.> > I am a member of this list for past one year and haven't seen > much fruitful discussions which may sharpen our predictive ability. > There are long question answer sessions on different concepts say, > Atmakaraka, Ishtadevata, Maranakaraka etc. But we find little here > which can strengthen our faith in astrology as a predictive science > which it is. We argue for seven or eight Jaimini karakas, but never > take pain to test the concepts fruitfully. That is why there are so > many controversies in astrology. I do concede that translating > planetary message into actual life events is most difficult task but > at the same time this is the only touchstone of one's predictive > ability and most crucial in revival of astrology as a great science. > There are numerous such lists, hundreds of 'big astrologers' and > thousands of books all claiming superiority over others. But most of > them confine themselves to their vested interests.> > > > It is my firm opinion that to establish credibility of astrology > and to infuse faith in and gain confidence of fellow students, > seniors and gurus must exemplify their predictive competence through > such blind readings or publicly predicting about future events. We > can judge it then after giving discount for natural likelihood or > probability of such events. We should try to point out some major > trends of one's life ourselves. Post-mortem analysis leads us nowhere > and contending groups may keep on arguing all through their life > without coming to a meaningful conclusion. I have had very > frustrating experience with many 'big astrologers' when they tried to > read a chart without knowing about the person concerned. I was > satisfied only (among those I have seen personally) with the working > style of Shri K.N.Rao and found him remarkably accurate most of the > times. I do advocate his approach for everyone genuienly interested > in astrolgy and for its cause.> > > > However, I appreciate your genuine interest in this divine > science and your efforts for its upliftment keeping aside personal > ego. I do request you to maintain and encourage such trends.> > > > Praveen Kumar (Mumbai, India) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > To: vedic astrology > > Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:13 PM> > [vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Working Out Astrological > Puzzles> > > > > > Namaste Praveen ji,> > > > > Among those attempted, Narasimha may be said to be nearest.> > > Among Gurus, he was the only one who dared to attempt it. > > > > Some gurus do attempt puzzles here. If they leave a puzzle, it > can be because they suspect the correctness of the data or simply > don't have time. In any case, "dare" is a somewhat inappropriate word > in this context.> > > > I was also very skeptical about the data. In the D-24 chart, > lagna lord was in 8th with Rahu and Ketu, suggesting poor education, > but rasi and D-10 charts seemed to show a successful and wealthy > lady. It did not even look like somebody born in a rich family. How > can then she be successful despite poor education? Overall, it did > not seem to fit. I thought there was some error. So I was very > tentative and did not even say anything on the first question on D-24.> > > > Now that you gave the answer, it all makes sense. I think the > data is reasonably accurate.> > > > > The chart belongs to one Bollywood Actress who herself had> > > handed over the birth details to me. She belongs to a middle> > > class family and onset of Mercury dasa changed her fortunes> > > radically. As per my observations, TOB must be correct,> > > more or less.> > > > I just have a few comments to make. She was born in Sukla > paksha in Sun's hora. So Shodasottari dasa applies. Rahu is the > governor of this dasa. He is the 9th lord from lagna and is in 8th. > He is in 5th from AL. He shows success, fortune and sudden rise. He > is in exalted Sun's nakshatra and occupies the 7th from Moon. So he > represents the desire for power. That will be the main theme of life > and events related to the theme will captured by Shodasottari dasa > well.> > > > Shodasottari dasa (applicable if lagna in Moon's hora in > Krishna paksha or in Sun's hora in Sukla paksha):> > > > Ket MD: 1986-10-05 (10:50:40) - 2001-10-05 (7:07:23)> > > > Antardasas in this MD:> > > > Ket: 1986-10-05 (10:50:40) - 1988-09-12 (18:44:51)> > Moo: 1988-09-12 (18:44:51) - 1990-10-08 (14:57:03)> > Mer: 1990-10-08 (14:57:03) - 1992-12-18 (3:58:13)> > Ven: 1992-12-18 (3:58:13) - 1995-04-14 (20:53:11)> > Sun: 1995-04-14 (20:53:11) - 1996-09-19 (4:45:47)> > Mar: 1996-09-19 (4:45:47) - 1998-04-05 (3:52:15)> > Jup: 1998-04-05 (3:52:15) - 1999-12-12 (20:35:44)> > Sat: 1999-12-12 (20:35:44) - 2001-10-05 (7:07:23)> > > > Ketu is in the 2nd house with Moon and will give Moon's > results. He is in 11th from AL. So he gives a lot of money and > financial gains. In D-10, he is the 2nd lord and occupies 8th. He > rules over sustenance and shows sudden rise. Being placed in the 12th > from AL, he gives success (12th fropm AL is a good placement from > Ketu). He shows excellent success that comes suddenly (8th house > placement).> > > > Mercury is in the 5th house from lagna. He is the AL lord > placed in the 9th house from AL. From Ketu, he is the 5th lord in > 10th. So Mercury antardasa in Ketu dasa must've been a great > antardasa. It must've brought a turning point in her life (1991-1992).> > > > Venus is the owner of lagna as well as 8th and shows mixed > results, being in badhaka sthana. He is with Mars in A3 and A8, in > the 3rd from AL. He gets the maleficence of Mars and gives good > results in the 3rd from AL. He gives material success in career. > Being in A3, he gives physical acts that are considered to be > manifestations of her boldness (e.g. starting a venture, doing a > controversial scene in a movie etc). With the planets involved with > A3 in the 3rd from AL being Venus and Mars, this could relate to > matters of sex or perhaps an affair with a co-star. In any case, some > bold acts are possible in Venus antardasa (1993-1995). Though Venus > with Mars gives success (3rd from AL) due to these bold acts (A3), he > also gives problems in career (due to being in A8 too). A8 is called > mrityu pada and shows death (in career). So some > controversies/scandals/affairs make her popular/successful, but also > threaten her career.> > > > Sun is well-placed in AL in D-10. He is in the 2nd house from > Ketu and aspects 5th. Moreover, he occupies A5 in D-10 (along with > AL). He shows popularity. He is exalted in rasi. Thus, Sun antardasa > in Ketu dasa may have brought the peak of her career (1995-1996).> > > > Mars is maraka (2nd and 7th lord) in D-10 and afflicts lagna > lord in badhaka sthana. His antardasa may have brought her fall (1997-> 1998). At the same time, this antardasa may have brought some > business activities (Mars is the 7th lord). Mars is in Leo with > argala from Sun, in the 11th house of friends (all in D-10). Thus she > may have made friendship with some influential people in this > antaradasa.> > > > Anyway, I'll stop here. I just wanted to try the conditional > dasa as it is applicable in this chart.> > > > BTW, 2004-2006 is a good time for the lady's career. There is > some chance that the second round of recognition will come to her, > though not as big as the first time.> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> > Narasimha> > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > ....... 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