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Would you please clarify this for me:

Narasimha wrote in his book that Rudra is lord of 8th from lagna or 7th

house/depending on strenght/ Table for finding 8th house provides position of

8th house depending on whether Lagna /or 7th are even or odd signs. So, for Cn

Lagna, for example, candidates for Rudra may be either Jupiter or Mercury,

whichever is stronger. Jyotishi,say that Rudra planet is Saturn- for Cn lagna

So far on the List I haven't noticed this issue discussed in this respect -

based on 8th house determination /Saturn's maraka status is clear to me/

What would be further implications of that, if any?

2/Some mention Moon as Badakesh for Taurus Lagna- in addition to Saurn, or?

Would you please share your opinion on this, as well?

I would appreciate your response.

Thank you.

Anna

Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

Jaya JagannathDear Ponti,Well, both can coexist. The planets in the Upachayas

causes the growth of the house from where they are placed. So if planets are

placed in the Upachayas from the Lagna, then it causes growth of Lagna, through

Valour (3rd), Service/ hardwork (6th), Dedication at work (10th) and Incomes/

gains (11th). 6th is the only house, which is a Upachaya, Dusthana and a

Trisadaya. If a planet is placed there, it will help the lagna grow, however,

the signification as well as the houses owned by the planet shall suffer. Thus

if 9th lord Jup is placed in 6th, the children/ father can suffer, but the

native shall be helped by the same Jupiter.However the houses 3/6/11 are also

called the Trisadayas and the lords of these houses are Evils. If these lords

own kendra or kona, then their association with other kona/ Kendra lords

doesnot give rajayoga.I guess you need to think on these lines to reconcile the

differences.Best wishesSarajit> Dear Gurus,> Upachaya house is considered as a

house of gains/growth and dusthanas > as a house of obstacles. 6th house falls

into both.> So how do we analyse the results of 6th house from lagna (or from

any > other house under consideration)?> Thank you> Ponti> > >

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Jaya JagannathDear Anna,

 

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Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:52 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Rudra/ Badhakesh

Dear Sarajit, Would you please clarify this for me: Narasimha wrote in his book

that Rudra is lord of 8th from lagna or 7th house/depending on strenght/ Table

for finding 8th house provides position of 8th house depending on whether Lagna

/or 7th are even or odd signs. So, for Cn Lagna, for example, candidates for

Rudra may be either Jupiter or Mercury, whichever is stronger. Sarajit: The 8th

house reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I don't

know the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity

quarter in the method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the

reckoning is regular. So you have to find the stronger between the 2nd and 8th

lord from Cancer. They happen to be Sun and Sat/ Rahu.

Jyotishi,say that Rudra planet is Saturn- for Cn lagna Sarajit: Find the

stronger of Sat/ Rahu or Sun for the rudra. Mind it if a planet is debilitated

and afflicted by malefics, it is more likely to bring death than an exalted

planet or unafflicted ones. Use your judgement. Giving your chart shall be

helpful.

So far on the List I haven't noticed this issue discussed in this respect -

based on 8th house determination Sarajit: This is given in USMJ also. Find the

examples given there and also the COVA.

/Saturn's maraka status is clear to me/

Sarajit: Saturn might not be a maraka if well placed and aspected by benefics,

in Shoola dasa. However in Vimshottari it can be a maraka. In vimshottari also

the 2nd lord is a stronger maraka than the 7th lord. However you have to look

for the more afflicted ones.

What would be further implications of that, if any?

2/Some mention Moon as Badakesh for Taurus Lagna- in addition to Saurn, or?

Would you please share your opinion on this, as well?

Sarajit: The badhakesh are the lords of 11th, 9th and 7th for Movable, Fixed and

Dual signs respectively. Thus for Taurus Lagna, which is a fixed sign, the

badhakesh is the 9th lord, i.e., Saturn.

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

I would appreciate your response.

Thank you.

Anna

Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Jaya JagannathDear Ponti,Well,

both can coexist. The planets in the Upachayas causes the growth of the house

from where they are placed. So if planets are placed in the Upachayas from the

Lagna, then it causes growth of Lagna, through Valour (3rd), Service/ hardwork

(6th), Dedication at work (10th) and Incomes/ gains (11th). 6th is the only

house, which is a Upachaya, Dusthana and a Trisadaya. If a planet is placed

there, it will help the lagna grow, however, the signification as well as the

houses owned by the planet shall suffer. Thus if 9th lord Jup is placed in 6th,

the children/ father can suffer, but the native shall be helped by the same

Jupiter.However the houses 3/6/11 are also called the Trisadayas and the lords

of these houses are Evils. If these lords own kendra or kona, then their

association with other kona/ Kendra lords doesnot give rajayoga.I guess you

need to think on these lines to reconcile the differences.Best wishesSarajit>

Dear Gurus,> Upachaya house is considered as a house of gains/growth and

dusthanas > as a house of obstacles. 6th house falls into both.> So how do we

analyse the results of 6th house from lagna (or from any > other house under

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Dear Anna, Sarajit and other members,

 

Sarajit, you wrote:

 

>Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based

on Vriddha Karika (I >don't know the english term) and should only be

used for finding the longevity quarter in the >method of three pairs.

However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular.

 

The both methods of reckoning are valuable in my humble opinion.

S.Rath writes on p. 141 of his Jaimini Upadesa Sutras: "there are two

schools in determining the eighth house for use in the Ayur stanzas".

On the pages 189 and 190 he employs the basis of Vriddha Karika for

finding the rudra.

I prefer that basis of reckoning. It works well in Shoola Dasa and I

find it working surprisingly well with Vimshottari Bukhti too.

 

Best regards

Waldemar

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar"

<sarajit@s...> wrote:

> Jaya Jagannath

> Dear Anna,

>

> The answers are below the relevant questions

> -

> j.b

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:52 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Rudra/ Badhakesh

>

>

> Dear Sarajit,

>

> Would you please clarify this for me:

>

> Narasimha wrote in his book that Rudra is lord of 8th from lagna

or 7th house/depending on strenght/

>

> Table for finding 8th house provides position of 8th house

depending on whether Lagna /or 7th are even or odd signs.

>

> So, for Cn Lagna, for example, candidates for Rudra may be either

Jupiter or Mercury, whichever is stronger.

>

> Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is

based on Vriddha Karika (I don't know the english term) and should

only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the method of three

pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular. So

you have to find the stronger between the 2nd and 8th lord from

Cancer. They happen to be Sun and Sat/ Rahu.

>

> Jyotishi,say that Rudra planet is Saturn- for Cn lagna

>

> Sarajit: Find the stronger of Sat/ Rahu or Sun for the rudra.

Mind it if a planet is debilitated and afflicted by malefics, it is

more likely to bring death than an exalted planet or unafflicted

ones. Use your judgement. Giving your chart shall be helpful.

>

> So far on the List I haven't noticed this issue discussed in this

respect - based on 8th house determination

>

> Sarajit: This is given in USMJ also. Find the examples given

there and also the COVA.

>

> /Saturn's maraka status is clear to me/

>

> Sarajit: Saturn might not be a maraka if well placed and

aspected by benefics, in Shoola dasa. However in Vimshottari it can

be a maraka. In vimshottari also the 2nd lord is a stronger maraka

than the 7th lord. However you have to look for the more afflicted

ones.

>

> What would be further implications of that, if any?

>

> 2/Some mention Moon as Badakesh for Taurus Lagna- in addition to

Saurn, or? Would you please share your opinion on this, as well?

>

> Sarajit: The badhakesh are the lords of 11th, 9th and 7th for

Movable, Fixed and Dual signs respectively. Thus for Taurus Lagna,

which is a fixed sign, the badhakesh is the 9th lord, i.e., Saturn.

>

> Best Wishes

>

> Sarajit

>

>

>

> I would appreciate your response.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Anna

>

> Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote:

>

> Jaya Jagannath

> Dear Ponti,

>

> Well, both can coexist. The planets in the Upachayas causes the

growth

> of the house from where they are placed. So if planets are

placed in

> the Upachayas from the Lagna, then it causes growth of Lagna,

through

> Valour (3rd), Service/ hardwork (6th), Dedication at work

(10th) and

> Incomes/ gains (11th).

>

> 6th is the only house, which is a Upachaya, Dusthana and a

Trisadaya.

> If a planet is placed there, it will help the lagna grow,

however, the

> signification as well as the houses owned by the planet shall

suffer.

> Thus if 9th lord Jup is placed in 6th, the children/ father can

suffer,

> but the native shall be helped by the same Jupiter.

>

> However the houses 3/6/11 are also called the Trisadayas and

the lords

> of these houses are Evils. If these lords own kendra or kona,

then

> their association with other kona/ Kendra lords doesnot give

rajayoga.

>

>

>

> I guess you need to think on these lines to reconcile the

differences.

>

> Best wishes

> Sarajit

>

>

> > Dear Gurus,

> > Upachaya house is considered as a house of gains/growth and

dusthanas

> > as a house of obstacles. 6th house falls into both.

> > So how do we analyse the results of 6th house from lagna (or

from any

> > other house under consideration)?

> > Thank you

> > Ponti

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First, thank you very much Sarajit for clarification- as with all I've seen so

far, your comments are very educative- hope Narasimha will include this

clarification in new edition of his Book. However, by being so efficient in

delivering 'right to the point' explanations, you are running the risk of being

overwhelmed by /my?/ questions-lol!Just a warning, dear Sarajit

As per your comment, Waldemar, thank you for bringing that to the List, and to

my attention. Yes, after seeing explanation in Narasimha book, I've read

U.Sutras- Ch.2, where Sanjay mentioned two schools of thought- I didn't want to

go into that in my inquiry, though, because nobody would respond to my

quiry,>smile<

besides, even though Sanjay said 'two schools' my mayor concern was/is "Which

one/when is dominant"- After Sarajit response I think I got the answer.

It's great that you shared your experience in use of Vr.K. In Vimsottaru Bukhti-

I guess you are saying that when Bukhti of a /this type of Rudra/ planet comes,

it works well /Did you hint:better than 'regular one'?/ in delivering it's

Rudra promise. Plese correct me if I am wrong.

And you prefer use of this as Rudra, right?

Situation seems clear now- as long as we know it's the matter of choice, sort

of, and not "confusion'' ...

Thanks a lot for your imput,

Anna

walkurk <walkurk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Anna, Sarajit and other members,Sarajit, you wrote:>Sarajit: The 8th house

reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I >don't know

the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in

the >method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is

regular.The both methods of reckoning are valuable in my humble opinion. S.Rath

writes on p. 141 of his Jaimini Upadesa Sutras: "there are two schools in

determining the eighth house for use in the Ayur stanzas". On the pages 189 and

190 he employs the basis of Vriddha Karika for finding the rudra.I prefer that

basis of reckoning. It works well in Shoola Dasa and I find it working

surprisingly well with Vimshottari Bukhti too. Best regardsWaldemar--- In

vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote:> Jaya

Jagannath> Dear Anna,> > The answers are below the relevant questions> -----

Original Message ----- > j.b > vedic astrology >

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:52 PM> Re: [vedic astrology]

Rudra/ Badhakesh> > > Dear Sarajit, > > Would you please clarify this for

me: > > Narasimha wrote in his book that Rudra is lord of 8th from lagna or

7th house/depending on strenght/ > > Table for finding 8th house provides

position of 8th house depending on whether Lagna /or 7th are even or odd signs.

> > So, for Cn Lagna, for example, candidates for Rudra may be either Jupiter

or Mercury, whichever is stronger. > > Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which

you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I don't know the english term)

and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the method of

three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular. So you

have to find the stronger between the 2nd and 8th lord from Cancer. They happen

to be Sun and Sat/ Rahu.> > Jyotishi,say that Rudra planet is Saturn- for Cn

lagna > > Sarajit: Find the stronger of Sat/ Rahu or Sun for the rudra. Mind

it if a planet is debilitated and afflicted by malefics, it is more likely to

bring death than an exalted planet or unafflicted ones. Use your judgement.

Giving your chart shall be helpful.> > So far on the List I haven't noticed

this issue discussed in this respect - based on 8th house determination > >

Sarajit: This is given in USMJ also. Find the examples given there and also the

COVA.> > /Saturn's maraka status is clear to me/ > > Sarajit: Saturn might

not be a maraka if well placed and aspected by benefics, in Shoola dasa.

However in Vimshottari it can be a maraka. In vimshottari also the 2nd lord is

a stronger maraka than the 7th lord. However you have to look for the more

afflicted ones.> > What would be further implications of that, if any?> >

2/Some mention Moon as Badakesh for Taurus Lagna- in addition to Saurn, or?

Would you please share your opinion on this, as well?> > Sarajit: The

badhakesh are the lords of 11th, 9th and 7th for Movable, Fixed and Dual signs

respectively. Thus for Taurus Lagna, which is a fixed sign, the badhakesh is

the 9th lord, i.e., Saturn.> > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > > > I would

appreciate your response.> > Thank you.> > Anna> > Sarajit Poddar

<sarajit@s...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannath> Dear Ponti,> > Well, both

can coexist. The planets in the Upachayas causes the growth > of the house

from where they are placed. So if planets are placed in > the Upachayas

from the Lagna, then it causes growth of Lagna, through > Valour (3rd),

Service/ hardwork (6th), Dedication at work (10th) and > Incomes/ gains

(11th). > > 6th is the only house, which is a Upachaya, Dusthana and a

Trisadaya. > If a planet is placed there, it will help the lagna grow,

however, the > signification as well as the houses owned by the planet

shall suffer. > Thus if 9th lord Jup is placed in 6th, the children/ father

can suffer, > but the native shall be helped by the same Jupiter.> >

However the houses 3/6/11 are also called the Trisadayas and the lords > of

these houses are Evils. If these lords own kendra or kona, then > their

association with other kona/ Kendra lords doesnot give rajayoga.> > > > I

guess you need to think on these lines to reconcile the differences.> >

Best wishes> Sarajit> > > > Dear Gurus,> > Upachaya house is

considered as a house of gains/growth and dusthanas > > as a house of

obstacles. 6th house falls into both.> > So how do we analyse the results

of 6th house from lagna (or from any > > other house under consideration)?>

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Dear Anna,

 

You are most welcome to put your queries. About the rudra rekoning, I got it

clarified with Pt. Sanjay himself. However, I did do my own studies in many

horoscopes and found that it works.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

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Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Rudra/ Badhakesh

Dear Sarajit, Waldemar, all, First, thank you very much Sarajit for

clarification- as with all I've seen so far, your comments are very educative-

hope Narasimha will include this clarification in new edition of his Book.

However, by being so efficient in delivering 'right to the point' explanations,

you are running the risk of being overwhelmed by /my?/ questions-lol!Just a

warning, dear Sarajit

As per your comment, Waldemar, thank you for bringing that to the List, and to

my attention. Yes, after seeing explanation in Narasimha book, I've read

U.Sutras- Ch.2, where Sanjay mentioned two schools of thought- I didn't want to

go into that in my inquiry, though, because nobody would respond to my

quiry,>smile<

besides, even though Sanjay said 'two schools' my mayor concern was/is "Which

one/when is dominant"- After Sarajit response I think I got the answer.

It's great that you shared your experience in use of Vr.K. In Vimsottaru Bukhti-

I guess you are saying that when Bukhti of a /this type of Rudra/ planet comes,

it works well /Did you hint:better than 'regular one'?/ in delivering it's

Rudra promise. Plese correct me if I am wrong.

And you prefer use of this as Rudra, right?

Situation seems clear now- as long as we know it's the matter of choice, sort

of, and not "confusion'' ...

Thanks a lot for your imput,

Anna walkurk <walkurk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Anna, Sarajit and other

members,Sarajit, you wrote:>Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have

mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I >don't know the english term) and

should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the >method of three

pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular.The both methods

of reckoning are valuable in my humble opinion. S.Rath writes on p. 141 of his

Jaimini Upadesa Sutras: "there are two schools in determining the eighth house

for use in the Ayur stanzas". On the pages 189 and 190 he employs the basis of

Vriddha Karika for finding the rudra.I prefer that basis of reckoning. It

works well in Shoola Dasa and I find it working surprisingly well with

Vimshottari Bukhti too. Best regardsWaldemar--- In

vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote:> Jaya

Jagannath> Dear Anna,> > The answers are below the relevant questions> -----

Original Message ----- > j.b > vedic astrology >

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:52 PM> Re: [vedic astrology]

Rudra/ Badhakesh> > > Dear Sarajit, > > Would you please clarify this for

me: > > Narasimha wrote in his book that Rudra is lord of 8th from lagna or

7th house/depending on strenght/ > > Table for finding 8th house provides

position of 8th house depending on whether Lagna /or 7th are even or odd signs.

> > So, for Cn Lagna, for example, candidates for Rudra may be either Jupiter

or Mercury, whichever is stronger. > > Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which

you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I don't know the english term)

and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the method of

three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular. So you

have to find the stronger between the 2nd and 8th lord from Cancer. They happen

to be Sun and Sat/ Rahu.> > Jyotishi,say that Rudra planet is Saturn- for Cn

lagna > > Sarajit: Find the stronger of Sat/ Rahu or Sun for the rudra. Mind

it if a planet is debilitated and afflicted by malefics, it is more likely to

bring death than an exalted planet or unafflicted ones. Use your judgement.

Giving your chart shall be helpful.> > So far on the List I haven't noticed

this issue discussed in this respect - based on 8th house determination > >

Sarajit: This is given in USMJ also. Find the examples given there and also the

COVA.> > /Saturn's maraka status is clear to me/ > > Sarajit: Saturn might

not be a maraka if well placed and aspected by benefics, in Shoola dasa.

However in Vimshottari it can be a maraka. In vimshottari also the 2nd lord is

a stronger maraka than the 7th lord. However you have to look for the more

afflicted ones.> > What would be further implications of that, if any?> >

2/Some mention Moon as Badakesh for Taurus Lagna- in addition to Saurn, or?

Would you please share your opinion on this, as well?> > Sarajit: The

badhakesh are the lords of 11th, 9th and 7th for Movable, Fixed and Dual signs

respectively. Thus for Taurus Lagna, which is a fixed sign, the badhakesh is

the 9th lord, i.e., Saturn.> > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > > > I would

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<sarajit@s...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannath> Dear Ponti,> > Well, both

can coexist. The planets in the Upachayas causes the growth > of the house

from where they are placed. So if planets are placed in > the Upachayas

from the Lagna, then it causes growth of Lagna, through > Valour (3rd),

Service/ hardwork (6th), Dedication at work (10th) and > Incomes/ gains

(11th). > > 6th is the only house, which is a Upachaya, Dusthana and a

Trisadaya. > If a planet is placed there, it will help the lagna grow,

however, the > signification as well as the houses owned by the planet

shall suffer. > Thus if 9th lord Jup is placed in 6th, the children/ father

can suffer, > but the native shall be helped by the same Jupiter.> >

However the houses 3/6/11 are also called the Trisadayas and the lords > of

these houses are Evils. If these lords own kendra or kona, then > their

association with other kona/ Kendra lords doesnot give rajayoga.> > > > I

guess you need to think on these lines to reconcile the differences.> >

Best wishes> Sarajit> > > > Dear Gurus,> > Upachaya house is

considered as a house of gains/growth and dusthanas > > as a house of

obstacles. 6th house falls into both.> > So how do we analyse the results

of 6th house from lagna (or from any > > other house under consideration)?>

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Dear Anna,

 

To confirm/infirm what I wrote, check the numerous examples of death

in JUPS.

For example, in the chart of Queen Victoria (p.168) debilitated Jup

is rudra. Death was in Vimshottari dasa/bukhti Mer/Sat. Jup could

express its malfeasance in bukhti of Sat, because of parivartana with

Sat.

Einstein (p.172) is dead in VD Ra/Mo. Moon is rudra in that chart.

M.K.Gandhi (p.175) is dead in rudra VD Ve/Ve.

In these carts 8th lord is the same for both basis (zodiacal &

VriddhaK.)

 

There are also examples, in which 8th lord is different on the basis

Vriddha Karika.

In the chart of J.L.Nehru (p.191) rudra is Mer. He was dead 27/5/64

in VD Ra/Mer.

The chart of Indira Ghandi (p.221) has Mer as rudra for sons, husband

and herself. Mer is in Nakshatra-parivartana with Sat.

Death of spouse occurred in VD (initiated from Lagna) Mo/Mer.

Death of son occurred in VD Ra/Sat.

Her own death dead occurred in dasa of Sat (in Nakshatra parivartana

with rudra Mer) and bukhti of Rahu in Nakshatra of Ketu, Ketu being

in sign-parivartana with rudra Mer.

For more, you can see my messages 23332 & 23434.

 

Best regards

Waldemar

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "j.b" <bona_mente> wrote:

>

> Dear Sarajit, Waldemar, all,

> First, thank you very much Sarajit for clarification- as with all

I've seen so far, your comments are very educative- hope Narasimha

will include this clarification in new edition of his Book. However,

by being so efficient in delivering 'right to the point'

explanations, you are running the risk of being overwhelmed by /my?/

questions-lol!Just a warning, dear Sarajit

>

> As per your comment, Waldemar, thank you for bringing that to the

List, and to my attention. Yes, after seeing explanation in Narasimha

book, I've read U.Sutras- Ch.2, where Sanjay mentioned two schools of

thought- I didn't want to go into that in my inquiry, though, because

nobody would respond to my quiry,>smile<

>

> besides, even though Sanjay said 'two schools' my mayor concern

was/is "Which one/when is dominant"- After Sarajit response I think

I got the answer.

>

> It's great that you shared your experience in use of Vr.K. In

Vimsottaru Bukhti- I guess you are saying that when Bukhti of a /this

type of Rudra/ planet comes, it works well /Did you hint:better

than 'regular one'?/ in delivering it's Rudra promise. Plese correct

me if I am wrong.

>

> And you prefer use of this as Rudra, right?

>

> Situation seems clear now- as long as we know it's the matter of

choice, sort of, and not "confusion'' ...

>

> Thanks a lot for your imput,

>

> Anna

> walkurk <walkurk@h...> wrote:

> Dear Anna, Sarajit and other members,

>

> Sarajit, you wrote:

>

> >Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based

> on Vriddha Karika (I >don't know the english term) and should only

be

> used for finding the longevity quarter in the >method of three

pairs.

> However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular.

>

> The both methods of reckoning are valuable in my humble opinion.

> S.Rath writes on p. 141 of his Jaimini Upadesa Sutras: "there are

two

> schools in determining the eighth house for use in the Ayur

stanzas".

> On the pages 189 and 190 he employs the basis of Vriddha Karika for

> finding the rudra.

> I prefer that basis of reckoning. It works well in Shoola Dasa and

I

> find it working surprisingly well with Vimshottari Bukhti too.

>

> Best regards

> Waldemar

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar"

> <sarajit@s...> wrote:

> > Jaya Jagannath

> > Dear Anna,

> >

> > The answers are below the relevant questions

> > -

> > j.b

> > vedic astrology

> > Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:52 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Rudra/ Badhakesh

> >

> >

> > Dear Sarajit,

> >

> > Would you please clarify this for me:

> >

> > Narasimha wrote in his book that Rudra is lord of 8th from

lagna

> or 7th house/depending on strenght/

> >

> > Table for finding 8th house provides position of 8th house

> depending on whether Lagna /or 7th are even or odd signs.

> >

> > So, for Cn Lagna, for example, candidates for Rudra may be

either

> Jupiter or Mercury, whichever is stronger.

> >

> > Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is

> based on Vriddha Karika (I don't know the english term) and should

> only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the method of

three

> pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular. So

> you have to find the stronger between the 2nd and 8th lord from

> Cancer. They happen to be Sun and Sat/ Rahu.

> >

> > Jyotishi,say that Rudra planet is Saturn- for Cn lagna

> >

> > Sarajit: Find the stronger of Sat/ Rahu or Sun for the rudra.

> Mind it if a planet is debilitated and afflicted by malefics, it is

> more likely to bring death than an exalted planet or unafflicted

> ones. Use your judgement. Giving your chart shall be helpful.

> >

> > So far on the List I haven't noticed this issue discussed in

this

> respect - based on 8th house determination

> >

> > Sarajit: This is given in USMJ also. Find the examples given

> there and also the COVA.

> >

> > /Saturn's maraka status is clear to me/

> >

> > Sarajit: Saturn might not be a maraka if well placed and

> aspected by benefics, in Shoola dasa. However in Vimshottari it can

> be a maraka. In vimshottari also the 2nd lord is a stronger maraka

> than the 7th lord. However you have to look for the more afflicted

> ones.

> >

> > What would be further implications of that, if any?

> >

> > 2/Some mention Moon as Badakesh for Taurus Lagna- in addition

to

> Saurn, or? Would you please share your opinion on this, as well?

> >

> > Sarajit: The badhakesh are the lords of 11th, 9th and 7th for

> Movable, Fixed and Dual signs respectively. Thus for Taurus Lagna,

> which is a fixed sign, the badhakesh is the 9th lord, i.e., Saturn.

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Sarajit

> >

> >

> >

> > I would appreciate your response.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > Anna

> >

> > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote:

> >

> > Jaya Jagannath

> > Dear Ponti,

> >

> > Well, both can coexist. The planets in the Upachayas causes

the

> growth

> > of the house from where they are placed. So if planets are

> placed in

> > the Upachayas from the Lagna, then it causes growth of Lagna,

> through

> > Valour (3rd), Service/ hardwork (6th), Dedication at work

> (10th) and

> > Incomes/ gains (11th).

> >

> > 6th is the only house, which is a Upachaya, Dusthana and a

> Trisadaya.

> > If a planet is placed there, it will help the lagna grow,

> however, the

> > signification as well as the houses owned by the planet shall

> suffer.

> > Thus if 9th lord Jup is placed in 6th, the children/ father

can

> suffer,

> > but the native shall be helped by the same Jupiter.

> >

> > However the houses 3/6/11 are also called the Trisadayas and

> the lords

> > of these houses are Evils. If these lords own kendra or kona,

> then

> > their association with other kona/ Kendra lords doesnot give

> rajayoga.

> >

> >

> >

> > I guess you need to think on these lines to reconcile the

> differences.

> >

> > Best wishes

> > Sarajit

> >

> >

> > > Dear Gurus,

> > > Upachaya house is considered as a house of gains/growth and

> dusthanas

> > > as a house of obstacles. 6th house falls into both.

> > > So how do we analyse the results of 6th house from lagna

(or

> from any

> > > other house under consideration)?

> > > Thank you

> > > Ponti

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>Her own death dead occurred in dasa of Sat (in Nakshatra parivartana

>with rudra Mer) and bukhti of Rahu in Nakshatra of Ketu, Ketu being

>in sign-parivartana with rudra Mer.

 

Dear Waldemar,

 

what <parivartana> does mean with regard to Nakshatra parivartana and

Sign-parivartana?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

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Dear Sigurd,

 

>what <parivartana> does mean with regard to Nakshatra parivartana and

>Sign-parivartana?

 

With regard to Sign-parivartana: planet A in the sign owned by a

planet B and planet B in the sign owned by a planet A.

In the chart of I. Gandhi, Mer is in Scorpio owned by Ketu and Ketu

is in Gemini owned by Mercury.

 

Nakshatra parivartana: planet A in the nakshatra owned by a planet B

and planet B in the nakshatra owned by a planet A. In the chart of I.

Gandhi, Sat is in nakshatra of Mer and Mer is in nakshatra of Sat (as

per Vimshottari system).

 

Parivartana means exchange of the results as well. For example, if

the planet A has an exchange (parivartana) with planet B, the dasa of

planet A can give the results of planet B in a large extends.

 

Best regards

Waldemar

 

vedic astrology, Sigurd Mueller

<smueller@a...> wrote:

> >Her own death dead occurred in dasa of Sat (in Nakshatra

parivartana

> >with rudra Mer) and bukhti of Rahu in Nakshatra of Ketu, Ketu

being

> >in sign-parivartana with rudra Mer.

>

> Dear Waldemar,

>

> what <parivartana> does mean with regard to Nakshatra parivartana

and

> Sign-parivartana?

>

> Thanks for your help in advance.

>

> Sigurd

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