Guest guest Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 Would you please clarify this for me: Narasimha wrote in his book that Rudra is lord of 8th from lagna or 7th house/depending on strenght/ Table for finding 8th house provides position of 8th house depending on whether Lagna /or 7th are even or odd signs. So, for Cn Lagna, for example, candidates for Rudra may be either Jupiter or Mercury, whichever is stronger. Jyotishi,say that Rudra planet is Saturn- for Cn lagna So far on the List I haven't noticed this issue discussed in this respect - based on 8th house determination /Saturn's maraka status is clear to me/ What would be further implications of that, if any? 2/Some mention Moon as Badakesh for Taurus Lagna- in addition to Saurn, or? Would you please share your opinion on this, as well? I would appreciate your response. Thank you. Anna Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Jaya JagannathDear Ponti,Well, both can coexist. The planets in the Upachayas causes the growth of the house from where they are placed. So if planets are placed in the Upachayas from the Lagna, then it causes growth of Lagna, through Valour (3rd), Service/ hardwork (6th), Dedication at work (10th) and Incomes/ gains (11th). 6th is the only house, which is a Upachaya, Dusthana and a Trisadaya. If a planet is placed there, it will help the lagna grow, however, the signification as well as the houses owned by the planet shall suffer. Thus if 9th lord Jup is placed in 6th, the children/ father can suffer, but the native shall be helped by the same Jupiter.However the houses 3/6/11 are also called the Trisadayas and the lords of these houses are Evils. If these lords own kendra or kona, then their association with other kona/ Kendra lords doesnot give rajayoga.I guess you need to think on these lines to reconcile the differences.Best wishesSarajit> Dear Gurus,> Upachaya house is considered as a house of gains/growth and dusthanas > as a house of obstacles. 6th house falls into both.> So how do we analyse the results of 6th house from lagna (or from any > other house under consideration)?> Thank you> Ponti> > > ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying!> http://us.click./yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/.8XolB/TM> ---~->> > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to > > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||Warm RegardsSarajit PoddarJyotish GuruSri Jagannath Center_____AddressUnit: #02-111125, Bedok North RoadSingaporePhone:Res:65-62452481Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Do you ? Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Jaya JagannathDear Anna, The answers are below the relevant questions - j.b vedic astrology Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:52 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Rudra/ Badhakesh Dear Sarajit, Would you please clarify this for me: Narasimha wrote in his book that Rudra is lord of 8th from lagna or 7th house/depending on strenght/ Table for finding 8th house provides position of 8th house depending on whether Lagna /or 7th are even or odd signs. So, for Cn Lagna, for example, candidates for Rudra may be either Jupiter or Mercury, whichever is stronger. Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I don't know the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular. So you have to find the stronger between the 2nd and 8th lord from Cancer. They happen to be Sun and Sat/ Rahu. Jyotishi,say that Rudra planet is Saturn- for Cn lagna Sarajit: Find the stronger of Sat/ Rahu or Sun for the rudra. Mind it if a planet is debilitated and afflicted by malefics, it is more likely to bring death than an exalted planet or unafflicted ones. Use your judgement. Giving your chart shall be helpful. So far on the List I haven't noticed this issue discussed in this respect - based on 8th house determination Sarajit: This is given in USMJ also. Find the examples given there and also the COVA. /Saturn's maraka status is clear to me/ Sarajit: Saturn might not be a maraka if well placed and aspected by benefics, in Shoola dasa. However in Vimshottari it can be a maraka. In vimshottari also the 2nd lord is a stronger maraka than the 7th lord. However you have to look for the more afflicted ones. What would be further implications of that, if any? 2/Some mention Moon as Badakesh for Taurus Lagna- in addition to Saurn, or? Would you please share your opinion on this, as well? Sarajit: The badhakesh are the lords of 11th, 9th and 7th for Movable, Fixed and Dual signs respectively. Thus for Taurus Lagna, which is a fixed sign, the badhakesh is the 9th lord, i.e., Saturn. Best Wishes Sarajit I would appreciate your response. Thank you. Anna Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Jaya JagannathDear Ponti,Well, both can coexist. The planets in the Upachayas causes the growth of the house from where they are placed. So if planets are placed in the Upachayas from the Lagna, then it causes growth of Lagna, through Valour (3rd), Service/ hardwork (6th), Dedication at work (10th) and Incomes/ gains (11th). 6th is the only house, which is a Upachaya, Dusthana and a Trisadaya. If a planet is placed there, it will help the lagna grow, however, the signification as well as the houses owned by the planet shall suffer. Thus if 9th lord Jup is placed in 6th, the children/ father can suffer, but the native shall be helped by the same Jupiter.However the houses 3/6/11 are also called the Trisadayas and the lords of these houses are Evils. If these lords own kendra or kona, then their association with other kona/ Kendra lords doesnot give rajayoga.I guess you need to think on these lines to reconcile the differences.Best wishesSarajit> Dear Gurus,> Upachaya house is considered as a house of gains/growth and dusthanas > as a house of obstacles. 6th house falls into both.> So how do we analyse the results of 6th house from lagna (or from any > other house under consideration)?> Thank you> Ponti> > > ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying!> http://us.click./yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/.8XolB/TM> ---~->> > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to > > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||Warm RegardsSarajit PoddarJyotish GuruSri Jagannath Center_____AddressUnit: #02-111125, Bedok North RoadSingaporePhone:Res:65-62452481Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Dear Anna, Sarajit and other members, Sarajit, you wrote: >Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I >don't know the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the >method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular. The both methods of reckoning are valuable in my humble opinion. S.Rath writes on p. 141 of his Jaimini Upadesa Sutras: "there are two schools in determining the eighth house for use in the Ayur stanzas". On the pages 189 and 190 he employs the basis of Vriddha Karika for finding the rudra. I prefer that basis of reckoning. It works well in Shoola Dasa and I find it working surprisingly well with Vimshottari Bukhti too. Best regards Waldemar vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannath > Dear Anna, > > The answers are below the relevant questions > - > j.b > vedic astrology > Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:52 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Rudra/ Badhakesh > > > Dear Sarajit, > > Would you please clarify this for me: > > Narasimha wrote in his book that Rudra is lord of 8th from lagna or 7th house/depending on strenght/ > > Table for finding 8th house provides position of 8th house depending on whether Lagna /or 7th are even or odd signs. > > So, for Cn Lagna, for example, candidates for Rudra may be either Jupiter or Mercury, whichever is stronger. > > Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I don't know the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular. So you have to find the stronger between the 2nd and 8th lord from Cancer. They happen to be Sun and Sat/ Rahu. > > Jyotishi,say that Rudra planet is Saturn- for Cn lagna > > Sarajit: Find the stronger of Sat/ Rahu or Sun for the rudra. Mind it if a planet is debilitated and afflicted by malefics, it is more likely to bring death than an exalted planet or unafflicted ones. Use your judgement. Giving your chart shall be helpful. > > So far on the List I haven't noticed this issue discussed in this respect - based on 8th house determination > > Sarajit: This is given in USMJ also. Find the examples given there and also the COVA. > > /Saturn's maraka status is clear to me/ > > Sarajit: Saturn might not be a maraka if well placed and aspected by benefics, in Shoola dasa. However in Vimshottari it can be a maraka. In vimshottari also the 2nd lord is a stronger maraka than the 7th lord. However you have to look for the more afflicted ones. > > What would be further implications of that, if any? > > 2/Some mention Moon as Badakesh for Taurus Lagna- in addition to Saurn, or? Would you please share your opinion on this, as well? > > Sarajit: The badhakesh are the lords of 11th, 9th and 7th for Movable, Fixed and Dual signs respectively. Thus for Taurus Lagna, which is a fixed sign, the badhakesh is the 9th lord, i.e., Saturn. > > Best Wishes > > Sarajit > > > > I would appreciate your response. > > Thank you. > > Anna > > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannath > Dear Ponti, > > Well, both can coexist. The planets in the Upachayas causes the growth > of the house from where they are placed. So if planets are placed in > the Upachayas from the Lagna, then it causes growth of Lagna, through > Valour (3rd), Service/ hardwork (6th), Dedication at work (10th) and > Incomes/ gains (11th). > > 6th is the only house, which is a Upachaya, Dusthana and a Trisadaya. > If a planet is placed there, it will help the lagna grow, however, the > signification as well as the houses owned by the planet shall suffer. > Thus if 9th lord Jup is placed in 6th, the children/ father can suffer, > but the native shall be helped by the same Jupiter. > > However the houses 3/6/11 are also called the Trisadayas and the lords > of these houses are Evils. If these lords own kendra or kona, then > their association with other kona/ Kendra lords doesnot give rajayoga. > > > > I guess you need to think on these lines to reconcile the differences. > > Best wishes > Sarajit > > > > Dear Gurus, > > Upachaya house is considered as a house of gains/growth and dusthanas > > as a house of obstacles. 6th house falls into both. > > So how do we analyse the results of 6th house from lagna (or from any > > other house under consideration)? > > Thank you > > Ponti > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor --------------- ------~- > -> > > Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty > Dollars for Trying! > > http://us.click./yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/.8XolB/TM > > ----------------------------- ------- > ~-> > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 First, thank you very much Sarajit for clarification- as with all I've seen so far, your comments are very educative- hope Narasimha will include this clarification in new edition of his Book. However, by being so efficient in delivering 'right to the point' explanations, you are running the risk of being overwhelmed by /my?/ questions-lol!Just a warning, dear Sarajit As per your comment, Waldemar, thank you for bringing that to the List, and to my attention. Yes, after seeing explanation in Narasimha book, I've read U.Sutras- Ch.2, where Sanjay mentioned two schools of thought- I didn't want to go into that in my inquiry, though, because nobody would respond to my quiry,>smile< besides, even though Sanjay said 'two schools' my mayor concern was/is "Which one/when is dominant"- After Sarajit response I think I got the answer. It's great that you shared your experience in use of Vr.K. In Vimsottaru Bukhti- I guess you are saying that when Bukhti of a /this type of Rudra/ planet comes, it works well /Did you hint:better than 'regular one'?/ in delivering it's Rudra promise. Plese correct me if I am wrong. And you prefer use of this as Rudra, right? Situation seems clear now- as long as we know it's the matter of choice, sort of, and not "confusion'' ... Thanks a lot for your imput, Anna walkurk <walkurk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Anna, Sarajit and other members,Sarajit, you wrote:>Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I >don't know the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the >method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular.The both methods of reckoning are valuable in my humble opinion. S.Rath writes on p. 141 of his Jaimini Upadesa Sutras: "there are two schools in determining the eighth house for use in the Ayur stanzas". On the pages 189 and 190 he employs the basis of Vriddha Karika for finding the rudra.I prefer that basis of reckoning. It works well in Shoola Dasa and I find it working surprisingly well with Vimshottari Bukhti too. Best regardsWaldemar--- In vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote:> Jaya Jagannath> Dear Anna,> > The answers are below the relevant questions> ----- Original Message ----- > j.b > vedic astrology > Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:52 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Rudra/ Badhakesh> > > Dear Sarajit, > > Would you please clarify this for me: > > Narasimha wrote in his book that Rudra is lord of 8th from lagna or 7th house/depending on strenght/ > > Table for finding 8th house provides position of 8th house depending on whether Lagna /or 7th are even or odd signs. > > So, for Cn Lagna, for example, candidates for Rudra may be either Jupiter or Mercury, whichever is stronger. > > Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I don't know the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular. So you have to find the stronger between the 2nd and 8th lord from Cancer. They happen to be Sun and Sat/ Rahu.> > Jyotishi,say that Rudra planet is Saturn- for Cn lagna > > Sarajit: Find the stronger of Sat/ Rahu or Sun for the rudra. Mind it if a planet is debilitated and afflicted by malefics, it is more likely to bring death than an exalted planet or unafflicted ones. Use your judgement. Giving your chart shall be helpful.> > So far on the List I haven't noticed this issue discussed in this respect - based on 8th house determination > > Sarajit: This is given in USMJ also. Find the examples given there and also the COVA.> > /Saturn's maraka status is clear to me/ > > Sarajit: Saturn might not be a maraka if well placed and aspected by benefics, in Shoola dasa. However in Vimshottari it can be a maraka. In vimshottari also the 2nd lord is a stronger maraka than the 7th lord. However you have to look for the more afflicted ones.> > What would be further implications of that, if any?> > 2/Some mention Moon as Badakesh for Taurus Lagna- in addition to Saurn, or? Would you please share your opinion on this, as well?> > Sarajit: The badhakesh are the lords of 11th, 9th and 7th for Movable, Fixed and Dual signs respectively. Thus for Taurus Lagna, which is a fixed sign, the badhakesh is the 9th lord, i.e., Saturn.> > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > > > I would appreciate your response.> > Thank you.> > Anna> > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannath> Dear Ponti,> > Well, both can coexist. The planets in the Upachayas causes the growth > of the house from where they are placed. So if planets are placed in > the Upachayas from the Lagna, then it causes growth of Lagna, through > Valour (3rd), Service/ hardwork (6th), Dedication at work (10th) and > Incomes/ gains (11th). > > 6th is the only house, which is a Upachaya, Dusthana and a Trisadaya. > If a planet is placed there, it will help the lagna grow, however, the > signification as well as the houses owned by the planet shall suffer. > Thus if 9th lord Jup is placed in 6th, the children/ father can suffer, > but the native shall be helped by the same Jupiter.> > However the houses 3/6/11 are also called the Trisadayas and the lords > of these houses are Evils. If these lords own kendra or kona, then > their association with other kona/ Kendra lords doesnot give rajayoga.> > > > I guess you need to think on these lines to reconcile the differences.> > Best wishes> Sarajit> > > > Dear Gurus,> > Upachaya house is considered as a house of gains/growth and dusthanas > > as a house of obstacles. 6th house falls into both.> > So how do we analyse the results of 6th house from lagna (or from any > > other house under consideration)?> > Thank you> > Ponti> > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-> ->> > Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty > Dollars for Trying!> > http://us.click./yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/.8XolB/TM> > ---> ~->> > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||> > > Warm Regards> > Sarajit Poddar> Jyotish Guru> Sri Jagannath Center> _____> Address> Unit: #02-111> 125, Bedok North Road> Singapore> > Phone:> Res:65-62452481> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > Sponsor > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Anna, You are most welcome to put your queries. About the rudra rekoning, I got it clarified with Pt. Sanjay himself. However, I did do my own studies in many horoscopes and found that it works. Best Wishes Sarajit - j.b vedic astrology Thursday, March 20, 2003 2:34 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Rudra/ Badhakesh Dear Sarajit, Waldemar, all, First, thank you very much Sarajit for clarification- as with all I've seen so far, your comments are very educative- hope Narasimha will include this clarification in new edition of his Book. However, by being so efficient in delivering 'right to the point' explanations, you are running the risk of being overwhelmed by /my?/ questions-lol!Just a warning, dear Sarajit As per your comment, Waldemar, thank you for bringing that to the List, and to my attention. Yes, after seeing explanation in Narasimha book, I've read U.Sutras- Ch.2, where Sanjay mentioned two schools of thought- I didn't want to go into that in my inquiry, though, because nobody would respond to my quiry,>smile< besides, even though Sanjay said 'two schools' my mayor concern was/is "Which one/when is dominant"- After Sarajit response I think I got the answer. It's great that you shared your experience in use of Vr.K. In Vimsottaru Bukhti- I guess you are saying that when Bukhti of a /this type of Rudra/ planet comes, it works well /Did you hint:better than 'regular one'?/ in delivering it's Rudra promise. Plese correct me if I am wrong. And you prefer use of this as Rudra, right? Situation seems clear now- as long as we know it's the matter of choice, sort of, and not "confusion'' ... Thanks a lot for your imput, Anna walkurk <walkurk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Anna, Sarajit and other members,Sarajit, you wrote:>Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I >don't know the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the >method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular.The both methods of reckoning are valuable in my humble opinion. S.Rath writes on p. 141 of his Jaimini Upadesa Sutras: "there are two schools in determining the eighth house for use in the Ayur stanzas". On the pages 189 and 190 he employs the basis of Vriddha Karika for finding the rudra.I prefer that basis of reckoning. It works well in Shoola Dasa and I find it working surprisingly well with Vimshottari Bukhti too. Best regardsWaldemar--- In vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote:> Jaya Jagannath> Dear Anna,> > The answers are below the relevant questions> ----- Original Message ----- > j.b > vedic astrology > Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:52 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Rudra/ Badhakesh> > > Dear Sarajit, > > Would you please clarify this for me: > > Narasimha wrote in his book that Rudra is lord of 8th from lagna or 7th house/depending on strenght/ > > Table for finding 8th house provides position of 8th house depending on whether Lagna /or 7th are even or odd signs. > > So, for Cn Lagna, for example, candidates for Rudra may be either Jupiter or Mercury, whichever is stronger. > > Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I don't know the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular. So you have to find the stronger between the 2nd and 8th lord from Cancer. They happen to be Sun and Sat/ Rahu.> > Jyotishi,say that Rudra planet is Saturn- for Cn lagna > > Sarajit: Find the stronger of Sat/ Rahu or Sun for the rudra. Mind it if a planet is debilitated and afflicted by malefics, it is more likely to bring death than an exalted planet or unafflicted ones. Use your judgement. Giving your chart shall be helpful.> > So far on the List I haven't noticed this issue discussed in this respect - based on 8th house determination > > Sarajit: This is given in USMJ also. Find the examples given there and also the COVA.> > /Saturn's maraka status is clear to me/ > > Sarajit: Saturn might not be a maraka if well placed and aspected by benefics, in Shoola dasa. However in Vimshottari it can be a maraka. In vimshottari also the 2nd lord is a stronger maraka than the 7th lord. However you have to look for the more afflicted ones.> > What would be further implications of that, if any?> > 2/Some mention Moon as Badakesh for Taurus Lagna- in addition to Saurn, or? Would you please share your opinion on this, as well?> > Sarajit: The badhakesh are the lords of 11th, 9th and 7th for Movable, Fixed and Dual signs respectively. Thus for Taurus Lagna, which is a fixed sign, the badhakesh is the 9th lord, i.e., Saturn.> > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > > > I would appreciate your response.> > Thank you.> > Anna> > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannath> Dear Ponti,> > Well, both can coexist. The planets in the Upachayas causes the growth > of the house from where they are placed. So if planets are placed in > the Upachayas from the Lagna, then it causes growth of Lagna, through > Valour (3rd), Service/ hardwork (6th), Dedication at work (10th) and > Incomes/ gains (11th). > > 6th is the only house, which is a Upachaya, Dusthana and a Trisadaya. > If a planet is placed there, it will help the lagna grow, however, the > signification as well as the houses owned by the planet shall suffer. > Thus if 9th lord Jup is placed in 6th, the children/ father can suffer, > but the native shall be helped by the same Jupiter.> > However the houses 3/6/11 are also called the Trisadayas and the lords > of these houses are Evils. If these lords own kendra or kona, then > their association with other kona/ Kendra lords doesnot give rajayoga.> > > > I guess you need to think on these lines to reconcile the differences.> > Best wishes> Sarajit> > > > Dear Gurus,> > Upachaya house is considered as a house of gains/growth and dusthanas > > as a house of obstacles. 6th house falls into both.> > So how do we analyse the results of 6th house from lagna (or from any > > other house under consideration)?> > Thank you> > Ponti> > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-> ->> > Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty > Dollars for Trying!> > http://us.click./yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/.8XolB/TM> > ---> ~->> > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Dear Anna, To confirm/infirm what I wrote, check the numerous examples of death in JUPS. For example, in the chart of Queen Victoria (p.168) debilitated Jup is rudra. Death was in Vimshottari dasa/bukhti Mer/Sat. Jup could express its malfeasance in bukhti of Sat, because of parivartana with Sat. Einstein (p.172) is dead in VD Ra/Mo. Moon is rudra in that chart. M.K.Gandhi (p.175) is dead in rudra VD Ve/Ve. In these carts 8th lord is the same for both basis (zodiacal & VriddhaK.) There are also examples, in which 8th lord is different on the basis Vriddha Karika. In the chart of J.L.Nehru (p.191) rudra is Mer. He was dead 27/5/64 in VD Ra/Mer. The chart of Indira Ghandi (p.221) has Mer as rudra for sons, husband and herself. Mer is in Nakshatra-parivartana with Sat. Death of spouse occurred in VD (initiated from Lagna) Mo/Mer. Death of son occurred in VD Ra/Sat. Her own death dead occurred in dasa of Sat (in Nakshatra parivartana with rudra Mer) and bukhti of Rahu in Nakshatra of Ketu, Ketu being in sign-parivartana with rudra Mer. For more, you can see my messages 23332 & 23434. Best regards Waldemar vedic astrology, "j.b" <bona_mente> wrote: > > Dear Sarajit, Waldemar, all, > First, thank you very much Sarajit for clarification- as with all I've seen so far, your comments are very educative- hope Narasimha will include this clarification in new edition of his Book. However, by being so efficient in delivering 'right to the point' explanations, you are running the risk of being overwhelmed by /my?/ questions-lol!Just a warning, dear Sarajit > > As per your comment, Waldemar, thank you for bringing that to the List, and to my attention. Yes, after seeing explanation in Narasimha book, I've read U.Sutras- Ch.2, where Sanjay mentioned two schools of thought- I didn't want to go into that in my inquiry, though, because nobody would respond to my quiry,>smile< > > besides, even though Sanjay said 'two schools' my mayor concern was/is "Which one/when is dominant"- After Sarajit response I think I got the answer. > > It's great that you shared your experience in use of Vr.K. In Vimsottaru Bukhti- I guess you are saying that when Bukhti of a /this type of Rudra/ planet comes, it works well /Did you hint:better than 'regular one'?/ in delivering it's Rudra promise. Plese correct me if I am wrong. > > And you prefer use of this as Rudra, right? > > Situation seems clear now- as long as we know it's the matter of choice, sort of, and not "confusion'' ... > > Thanks a lot for your imput, > > Anna > walkurk <walkurk@h...> wrote: > Dear Anna, Sarajit and other members, > > Sarajit, you wrote: > > >Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based > on Vriddha Karika (I >don't know the english term) and should only be > used for finding the longevity quarter in the >method of three pairs. > However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular. > > The both methods of reckoning are valuable in my humble opinion. > S.Rath writes on p. 141 of his Jaimini Upadesa Sutras: "there are two > schools in determining the eighth house for use in the Ayur stanzas". > On the pages 189 and 190 he employs the basis of Vriddha Karika for > finding the rudra. > I prefer that basis of reckoning. It works well in Shoola Dasa and I > find it working surprisingly well with Vimshottari Bukhti too. > > Best regards > Waldemar > > > > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" > <sarajit@s...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannath > > Dear Anna, > > > > The answers are below the relevant questions > > - > > j.b > > vedic astrology > > Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:52 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Rudra/ Badhakesh > > > > > > Dear Sarajit, > > > > Would you please clarify this for me: > > > > Narasimha wrote in his book that Rudra is lord of 8th from lagna > or 7th house/depending on strenght/ > > > > Table for finding 8th house provides position of 8th house > depending on whether Lagna /or 7th are even or odd signs. > > > > So, for Cn Lagna, for example, candidates for Rudra may be either > Jupiter or Mercury, whichever is stronger. > > > > Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is > based on Vriddha Karika (I don't know the english term) and should > only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the method of three > pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular. So > you have to find the stronger between the 2nd and 8th lord from > Cancer. They happen to be Sun and Sat/ Rahu. > > > > Jyotishi,say that Rudra planet is Saturn- for Cn lagna > > > > Sarajit: Find the stronger of Sat/ Rahu or Sun for the rudra. > Mind it if a planet is debilitated and afflicted by malefics, it is > more likely to bring death than an exalted planet or unafflicted > ones. Use your judgement. Giving your chart shall be helpful. > > > > So far on the List I haven't noticed this issue discussed in this > respect - based on 8th house determination > > > > Sarajit: This is given in USMJ also. Find the examples given > there and also the COVA. > > > > /Saturn's maraka status is clear to me/ > > > > Sarajit: Saturn might not be a maraka if well placed and > aspected by benefics, in Shoola dasa. However in Vimshottari it can > be a maraka. In vimshottari also the 2nd lord is a stronger maraka > than the 7th lord. However you have to look for the more afflicted > ones. > > > > What would be further implications of that, if any? > > > > 2/Some mention Moon as Badakesh for Taurus Lagna- in addition to > Saurn, or? Would you please share your opinion on this, as well? > > > > Sarajit: The badhakesh are the lords of 11th, 9th and 7th for > Movable, Fixed and Dual signs respectively. Thus for Taurus Lagna, > which is a fixed sign, the badhakesh is the 9th lord, i.e., Saturn. > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Sarajit > > > > > > > > I would appreciate your response. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Anna > > > > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote: > > > > Jaya Jagannath > > Dear Ponti, > > > > Well, both can coexist. The planets in the Upachayas causes the > growth > > of the house from where they are placed. So if planets are > placed in > > the Upachayas from the Lagna, then it causes growth of Lagna, > through > > Valour (3rd), Service/ hardwork (6th), Dedication at work > (10th) and > > Incomes/ gains (11th). > > > > 6th is the only house, which is a Upachaya, Dusthana and a > Trisadaya. > > If a planet is placed there, it will help the lagna grow, > however, the > > signification as well as the houses owned by the planet shall > suffer. > > Thus if 9th lord Jup is placed in 6th, the children/ father can > suffer, > > but the native shall be helped by the same Jupiter. > > > > However the houses 3/6/11 are also called the Trisadayas and > the lords > > of these houses are Evils. If these lords own kendra or kona, > then > > their association with other kona/ Kendra lords doesnot give > rajayoga. > > > > > > > > I guess you need to think on these lines to reconcile the > differences. > > > > Best wishes > > Sarajit > > > > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > Upachaya house is considered as a house of gains/growth and > dusthanas > > > as a house of obstacles. 6th house falls into both. > > > So how do we analyse the results of 6th house from lagna (or > from any > > > other house under consideration)? > > > Thank you > > > Ponti > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor ------------- -- > ------~- > > -> > > > Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You > Thirty > > Dollars for Trying! > > > http://us.click./yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/.8XolB/TM > > > --------------------------- -- > ------- > > ~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 >Her own death dead occurred in dasa of Sat (in Nakshatra parivartana >with rudra Mer) and bukhti of Rahu in Nakshatra of Ketu, Ketu being >in sign-parivartana with rudra Mer. Dear Waldemar, what <parivartana> does mean with regard to Nakshatra parivartana and Sign-parivartana? Thanks for your help in advance. Sigurd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Dear Sigurd, >what <parivartana> does mean with regard to Nakshatra parivartana and >Sign-parivartana? With regard to Sign-parivartana: planet A in the sign owned by a planet B and planet B in the sign owned by a planet A. In the chart of I. Gandhi, Mer is in Scorpio owned by Ketu and Ketu is in Gemini owned by Mercury. Nakshatra parivartana: planet A in the nakshatra owned by a planet B and planet B in the nakshatra owned by a planet A. In the chart of I. Gandhi, Sat is in nakshatra of Mer and Mer is in nakshatra of Sat (as per Vimshottari system). Parivartana means exchange of the results as well. For example, if the planet A has an exchange (parivartana) with planet B, the dasa of planet A can give the results of planet B in a large extends. Best regards Waldemar vedic astrology, Sigurd Mueller <smueller@a...> wrote: > >Her own death dead occurred in dasa of Sat (in Nakshatra parivartana > >with rudra Mer) and bukhti of Rahu in Nakshatra of Ketu, Ketu being > >in sign-parivartana with rudra Mer. > > Dear Waldemar, > > what <parivartana> does mean with regard to Nakshatra parivartana and > Sign-parivartana? > > Thanks for your help in advance. > > Sigurd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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