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Dear list members,

I've observed that the various books, even the standards ones, can't

really predict about a horoscope. What they give is very limited.

They only focus on the aspect, the position of planet in a certain

house or sign, various combinations, etc.

How can one say that a certain thing will "DEFINITELY" or almost

definitely happen?

I give you my example. DOB: 14/06/1984. TOB: 06:22 AM. POB:

Islamabad, Pakistan.

I've a very weak lord of ascendant, combust in 12th house. My lord

of 5th is also there. Sun and Venus, which is the lord of 12th,

because I am a geminian, are also in 12th.

This clearly indicates that I'll have to suffer much in life.

Physical health, mental health can all suffer.

On the other hand, I have Jupiter and Moon in Sagittarius in 7th

forming Gaja Kesari Yoga. As they say, all the malefic impacts are

gone because of this yoga. But does this strength of 10th lord give

anything else than offering mere recovery from the weak lord of

ascendant?

Then come the two great malefics: Saturn and Mars both posited in

5th, one exalted and the other in its fall.

If I go on and read books, maybe I'll come up with a couple of raja

yogas but I also have a very weak lord of ascendant and 5th.

Book can't tell you anything further from it. A great expert is

always required to analyze the chart "as a whole". A strong 10th

lord won't give good effects unless the lord of ascendant is strong.

A strong 9th lord, won't give effects if its dispositor is weak.

What's the use of full moon in Jupiter's house, when the lord of

ascendant is so weak. On the positive side, the lord of ascendant is

with its dispositor and great friend venus.

I've asked so many people about this. I've tried to get those raja

yogas which take effect even without aspecting lord of ascendant. I

don't know if there are any such yogas. I also don't know what are

the major factors that can nullify a raja yoga. One thing I am sure

of is that Weakness of lord of ascendant is one factor.

I don't know how do the experts predict. They surely possess some

kind of 'extra' sense which tells them what will happen to a certain

native.

Can anyone please tell me, how to analyze complicated charts? If you

take my horoscope, my 10th lord is strong, but my lord of ascendant

weak, does it mean I'll have a poor career and I won't have any kind

of fame and recognition ever?

One thing that also is painful for me is that no one can be

prescribed as an "authoritative" reference.

One person will say that if a planet is at the last degree of a sign

then it is still considered in that sign, another will say it will

have 50%effect on the next and 50% in the sign it is posited. One

will say that this planet has 'virtually' left this sign, so it

should be considered in the next sign. I don't know which one is

correct?

Combustion is another issue. I must say that astrology is a

controversial subject. Chinese, Greek, Indians, Westerns, all have

come with a different system and make no mistake that modern

astrologers are coming with different ideas almost all the time. As

a beginner, I can only be sit amazed and confused on what astrology

really is. Sometimes, I want to run away from it because unlike

science, astrology is based on the 'supposed' fact that planets have

some effect on human life. No matter how much my mind tells me that

astrology isn't based on logic, in the end I just can't resist it.

It is so seductive!

 

 

>From a confused man,

Farrukh

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Dear Farrukhnauman,

Astrology is totally blissfull and as effective as the

medical science.If you went to all the wrong doctors and did not find a cure

for your illness its not the medical science to blame, may be the choice of

doctor.Someone told my father years ago that I will start the best time of

my life in the year 2000,it would take to positions that very few reach and

will be the happiest time of my life.Infact it started one of the worst

times of my life.Who is at fault here astrology or the astrologer who

ignored the fact that Jupiter is in retrogation and is my Atma karak even if

it is in lagna the results cannot be as predicted.Firstly, are you sure

about your time of birth?Have you ever rectified your birth time.This can be

crucial in timing events....

 

>Dear list members,

>I've observed that the various books, even the standards ones, can't

>really predict about a horoscope. What they give is very limited.

>They only focus on the aspect, the position of planet in a certain

>house or sign, various combinations, etc.

 

 

>How can one say that a certain thing will "DEFINITELY" or almost

>definitely happen?

 

**************As written above in my case I have Jupiter as Ak and in

retrogation now this is definate that as soon as the dasa starts there will

be alot of changes and it would definately bring about a few difficult

months for me.******

 

I will not go into detials about your chart as I am not a guru and I am sure

the gurus would clarify better than me.I do hope though that I was able to

put across the message that Astrology needs to be understood and studied and

worked hard upon and to end all your confusions study harder.Find the logic

as you study more and more and you will know that the chart tells you

exactly how the life will mould you,your mind and you soul.

Best Wishes,

Kanupriya.

 

 

>I give you my example. DOB: 14/06/1984. TOB: 06:22 AM. POB:

>Islamabad, Pakistan.

>I've a very weak lord of ascendant, combust in 12th house. My lord

>of 5th is also there. Sun and Venus, which is the lord of 12th,

>because I am a geminian, are also in 12th.

>This clearly indicates that I'll have to suffer much in life.

>Physical health, mental health can all suffer.

>On the other hand, I have Jupiter and Moon in Sagittarius in 7th

>forming Gaja Kesari Yoga As they say, all the malefic impacts are

>gone because of this yoga. But does this strength of 10th lord give

>anything else than offering mere recovery from the weak lord of

>ascendant?

>Then come the two great malefics: Saturn and Mars both posited in

>5th, one exalted and the other in its fall.

>If I go on and read books, maybe I'll come up with a couple of raja

>yogas but I also have a very weak lord of ascendant and 5th.

>Book can't tell you anything further from it. A great expert is

>always required to analyze the chart "as a whole". A strong 10th

>lord won't give good effects unless the lord of ascendant is strong.

>A strong 9th lord, won't give effects if its dispositor is weak.

>What's the use of full moon in Jupiter's house, when the lord of

>ascendant is so weak. On the positive side, the lord of ascendant is

>with its dispositor and great friend venus.

>I've asked so many people about this. I've tried to get those raja

>yogas which take effect even without aspecting lord of ascendant. I

>don't know if there are any such yogas. I also don't know what are

>the major factors that can nullify a raja yoga. One thing I am sure

>of is that Weakness of lord of ascendant is one factor.

>I don't know how do the experts predict. They surely possess some

>kind of 'extra' sense which tells them what will happen to a certain

>native.

>Can anyone please tell me, how to analyze complicated charts? If you

>take my horoscope, my 10th lord is strong, but my lord of ascendant

>weak, does it mean I'll have a poor career and I won't have any kind

>of fame and recognition ever?

>One thing that also is painful for me is that no one can be

>prescribed as an "authoritative" reference.

>One person will say that if a planet is at the last degree of a sign

>then it is still considered in that sign, another will say it will

>have 50%effect on the next and 50% in the sign it is posited. One

>will say that this planet has 'virtually' left this sign, so it

>should be considered in the next sign. I don't know which one is

>correct?

>Combustion is another issue. I must say that astrology is a

>controversial subject. Chinese, Greek, Indians, Westerns, all have

>come with a different system and make no mistake that modern

>astrologers are coming with different ideas almost all the time. As

>a beginner, I can only be sit amazed and confused on what astrology

>really is. Sometimes, I want to run away from it because unlike

>science, astrology is based on the 'supposed' fact that planets have

>some effect on human life. No matter how much my mind tells me that

>astrology isn't based on logic, in the end I just can't resist it.

>It is so seductive!

>

>

>From a confused man,

>Farrukh

>

 

 

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Dear Farrukh,

Astrology texts that we have available today were written hundreds and even

thousands of years after the science was born.Ancient sages passed the

knowledge by word of mouth and their pupils recited them and learnt them by

heart. This knowledge was passed from Guru to deserving student for generations

before it came to be in print.Many errors might have crept in the original texts

due to difference i pronounciation.

Add to this the fact that the sages stated principles and enjoined the

astrologers to use their Viveka(nearest I can translate is sense of proportion

and ability to decifer) for predictions.

We tend to go wrong when we do not corelate different statements made at different places in texts.

An example would be planets being weak at beginning or end of a rasi. having

said that when the sages said Mercury is strong throughout a rasi, they

expected one to understand that this is an exception to the rule already

stated.Or take age of planets , here again they thought that astrologers would

be able to decifer what is meant by Mars being Kumar and Saturn being

Vriddha.Unfortunately now a days astrologers tend to take all statements as

inviolate irrespective to reference in which they were made by the sages.I have

also seen one sage being said to be the ultimate to the detriments of others.

The sages themselves however had not only given their opinion but freely gave

principles and opinions held by other sages or contemporaries even when they

were at divergence to those propounded by temselves. This should give us a

clear indication that this being an interpretative science, it is better if we

attempt to rationalise two apparently divergent statements(samanjassya) by the

same authority or different authorities if we want to unravel this divne

science. As a matter of fact this is how various scriptures and other divine

texts are meant to be understood, to my kowledge.

You to will be able to decifer the science if you first tr to understand the

underlying principles and then attempt prediction. Always get back to the

jataka and find out whether your predictions went right or wrong. Either way

this would enable you to understad this science better.

I hope this helps you in some small measure.

Chandrashekhar.

-

farrukhnauman

vedic astrology

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:44 PM

[vedic astrology] Astrology: Who are you?

Dear list members,I've observed that the various books, even the standards ones,

can't really predict about a horoscope. What they give is very limited. They

only focus on the aspect, the position of planet in a certain house or sign,

various combinations, etc.How can one say that a certain thing will

"DEFINITELY" or almost definitely happen?I give you my example. DOB:

14/06/1984. TOB: 06:22 AM. POB: Islamabad, Pakistan.I've a very weak lord of

ascendant, combust in 12th house. My lord of 5th is also there. Sun and Venus,

which is the lord of 12th, because I am a geminian, are also in 12th.This

clearly indicates that I'll have to suffer much in life. Physical health,

mental health can all suffer.On the other hand, I have Jupiter and Moon in

Sagittarius in 7th forming Gaja Kesari Yoga. As they say, all the malefic

impacts are gone because of this yoga. But does this strength of 10th lord give

anything else than offering mere recovery from the weak lord of ascendant?Then

come the two great malefics: Saturn and Mars both posited in 5th, one exalted

and the other in its fall.If I go on and read books, maybe I'll come up with a

couple of raja yogas but I also have a very weak lord of ascendant and 5th.Book

can't tell you anything further from it. A great expert is always required to

analyze the chart "as a whole". A strong 10th lord won't give good effects

unless the lord of ascendant is strong. A strong 9th lord, won't give effects

if its dispositor is weak. What's the use of full moon in Jupiter's house, when

the lord of ascendant is so weak. On the positive side, the lord of ascendant is

with its dispositor and great friend venus.I've asked so many people about this.

I've tried to get those raja yogas which take effect even without aspecting lord

of ascendant. I don't know if there are any such yogas. I also don't know what

are the major factors that can nullify a raja yoga. One thing I am sure of is

that Weakness of lord of ascendant is one factor.I don't know how do the

experts predict. They surely possess some kind of 'extra' sense which tells

them what will happen to a certain native.Can anyone please tell me, how to

analyze complicated charts? If you take my horoscope, my 10th lord is strong,

but my lord of ascendant weak, does it mean I'll have a poor career and I won't

have any kind of fame and recognition ever? One thing that also is painful for

me is that no one can be prescribed as an "authoritative" reference.One person

will say that if a planet is at the last degree of a sign then it is still

considered in that sign, another will say it will have 50%effect on the next

and 50% in the sign it is posited. One will say that this planet has

'virtually' left this sign, so it should be considered in the next sign. I

don't know which one is correct?Combustion is another issue. I must say that

astrology is a controversial subject. Chinese, Greek, Indians, Westerns, all

have come with a different system and make no mistake that modern astrologers

are coming with different ideas almost all the time. As a beginner, I can only

be sit amazed and confused on what astrology really is. Sometimes, I want to

run away from it because unlike science, astrology is based on the 'supposed'

fact that planets have some effect on human life. No matter how much my mind

tells me that astrology isn't based on logic, in the end I just can't resist

it. It is so seductive!From a confused man,FarrukhArchives:

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Hare Krishna-

Dear Farrukh,

Many people get into astrology to learn more about their own charts-

You can read alot of books- but the main thing is you need a guru

or teacher and some sort of sadhana or mantras to open up your own

intuition and self realizations (if you want to call it that)to

really see clearly and understand.

Please go to the SJC web site and read more.

There are many things to consider when interpreting a horoscope,that

is where a good astrologer is able to take all things into

consideration.

First thing of importance is the Lagna and the LL(lagna lord)

Then see influences on them from other planets,take RASI drishti

into consideration,(DONT forget argala!too) -

if you want to read about argalas,rashi drishti,arudhas, please see

the "files" section of and in addtion please read the

articles on argala from SJC web site srijagganath.org and also check

on Sanjays web site srath.com

you can also check

for articles..

An excellent book! with all concepts for new comers is "Vedic

Astrology -An intergrated approach" by Narasimha Rao- the list

moderator-

for usa orders you can contact me or check SJC web site for other

places it is availble I highly recommend it.

 

in additon to the above

Ok,to make it easier,Rotate your chart so Lagna lord is in

asecendent see what planets are in trines to that.

Do the same from Sun and Moon positions(as viewed from in

lagna).After doing that you should have a pretty good idea what is

happening with you.

If you know about Arudhas then also view the whole chart from the AL.

That also will provide you with insight,

If you can try again I, and others will correct you,

Best Wishes,

Lakshmi

 

 

vedic astrology, "farrukhnauman"

<farrukhnauman> wrote:

> Dear list members,

> I've observed that the various books, even the standards ones,

can't

> really predict about a horoscope. What they give is very limited.

> They only focus on the aspect, the position of planet in a certain

> house or sign, various combinations, etc.

> How can one say that a certain thing will "DEFINITELY" or almost

> definitely happen?

> I give you my example. DOB: 14/06/1984. TOB: 06:22 AM. POB:

> Islamabad, Pakistan.

> I've a very weak lord of ascendant, combust in 12th house. My lord

> of 5th is also there. Sun and Venus, which is the lord of 12th,

> because I am a geminian, are also in 12th.

> This clearly indicates that I'll have to suffer much in life.

> Physical health, mental health can all suffer.

> On the other hand, I have Jupiter and Moon in Sagittarius in 7th

> forming Gaja Kesari Yoga. As they say, all the malefic impacts are

> gone because of this yoga. But does this strength of 10th lord

give

> anything else than offering mere recovery from the weak lord of

> ascendant?

> Then come the two great malefics: Saturn and Mars both posited in

> 5th, one exalted and the other in its fall.

> If I go on and read books, maybe I'll come up with a couple of

raja

> yogas but I also have a very weak lord of ascendant and 5th.

> Book can't tell you anything further from it. A great expert is

> always required to analyze the chart "as a whole". A strong 10th

> lord won't give good effects unless the lord of ascendant is

strong.

> A strong 9th lord, won't give effects if its dispositor is weak.

> What's the use of full moon in Jupiter's house, when the lord of

> ascendant is so weak. On the positive side, the lord of ascendant

is

> with its dispositor and great friend venus.

> I've asked so many people about this. I've tried to get those raja

> yogas which take effect even without aspecting lord of ascendant.

I

> don't know if there are any such yogas. I also don't know what are

> the major factors that can nullify a raja yoga. One thing I am

sure

> of is that Weakness of lord of ascendant is one factor.

> I don't know how do the experts predict. They surely possess some

> kind of 'extra' sense which tells them what will happen to a

certain

> native.

> Can anyone please tell me, how to analyze complicated charts? If

you

> take my horoscope, my 10th lord is strong, but my lord of

ascendant

> weak, does it mean I'll have a poor career and I won't have any

kind

> of fame and recognition ever?

> One thing that also is painful for me is that no one can be

> prescribed as an "authoritative" reference.

> One person will say that if a planet is at the last degree of a

sign

> then it is still considered in that sign, another will say it will

> have 50%effect on the next and 50% in the sign it is posited. One

> will say that this planet has 'virtually' left this sign, so it

> should be considered in the next sign. I don't know which one is

> correct?

> Combustion is another issue. I must say that astrology is a

> controversial subject. Chinese, Greek, Indians, Westerns, all have

> come with a different system and make no mistake that modern

> astrologers are coming with different ideas almost all the time.

As

> a beginner, I can only be sit amazed and confused on what

astrology

> really is. Sometimes, I want to run away from it because unlike

> science, astrology is based on the 'supposed' fact that planets

have

> some effect on human life. No matter how much my mind tells me

that

> astrology isn't based on logic, in the end I just can't resist it.

> It is so seductive!

>

>

> From a confused man,

> Farrukh

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Well, thanks for your reply people.

Probably you didn't understand my question. Astrology is a not

everyone's job. You can put the same horoscope in front of 10

astrologers and most probably they all will come with different

readings. Only an in-depth, impartial, to-the-point, prediction can

work.

This kind of reading can only be done by an experienced as well as

gifted astrologer. All I can say is that anyone who sticks to the

book knowledge, who just doesn't come out of age old concepts, its

very hard for such a person to give a good prediction.

 

Regards,

Farrukh

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