Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 -=Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya Namah=- Dear Jyoptisha, Please explain, how many carat in rattis? There are many different opinions on this account. In VRA there is a description of stones and how many rattis the stone should be taken for each stone. -- Best regards, Chandramukha das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Chandramukha, Hare Krishna. Of course Swee is the gemstone expert, so we are interested to hear her defrinition of Ratti. But as far as I remember from our cdiscussion, different measures are taken as one Ratti, there is small Ratti and big Ratti also. However our conclusion was that one Ratti more or less equals one carate, i.e. 0.2 gms. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 > -=Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya Namah=- > > Dear Jyoptisha, > > Please explain, how many carat in rattis? There are many different > opinions on this account. In VRA there is a description of stones and > how many rattis the stone should be taken for each stone. > > -- > Best regards, > Chandramukha das > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chandramukha Das, -=Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya Namah=- Dear Jyoptisha, Please explain, how many carat in rattis? There are many different opinions on this account. In VRA there is a description of stones and how many rattis the stone should be taken for each stone. Divide rattis by 1.07 to get carats. But these will be changed to carats to go along with the times Best wishes, Swee swee http://www.brihaspati.net/ -- Best regards, Chandramukha das Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 If I amy add, this is what I foond about Ratti. RUSSUD to RUTTEE RUSSUD, s. Pers. rasad. The provisions of grain, forage, and other necessaries got ready by the local officers at the camping ground of a military force or official cortège. The vernacular word has some other technical meanings (see Wilson), but this is its meaning in an Anglo-Indian mouth. [c. 1640–50.—Rasad. (See under TANA.) RUT, s. Hind. rath, ‘a chariot.’ Now applied to a native carriage drawn by a pony, or oxen, and used by women on a journey. Also applied to the car in which idols are carried forth on festival days. [see ROOK.] [1810–17.—“Tippoo’s Aumil…wanted iron, and determined to supply himself from the rut, (a temple of carved wood fixed on wheels, drawn in procession on public occasions, and requiring many thousand persons to effect its movement).”—Wilks, Sketches, Madras reprint, ii. 281.[1813.—“In this camp hackeries and ruths, as they are called when they have four wheels, are always drawn by bullocks, and are used, almost exclusively, by the Baees, the Nach girls, and the bankers.”—Broughton, Letters, ed. 1892, p. 117.]1829.—“This being the case I took the liberty of taking the rut and horse to camp as prize property.”—Mem. of John Shipp, ii. 183. RUTTEE, RETTEE, s. Hind. ratti, rati, Skt. raktika, from rakta, ‘red.’ The seed of a leguminous creeper (Abrus precatorius, L.) sometimes called country liquorice—a pretty scarlet pea with a black spot—used from time immemorial in India as a goldsmith’s weight, and known in England as ‘Crab’s eyes.’ Mr. Thomas has shown that the ancient ratti may be taken as equal to 1·75 grs. Troy (Numismata Orientalia, New ed., Pt. I. pp. 12–14). This work of Mr. Thomas’s contains interesting information regarding the old Indian custom of basing standard weights upon the weight of seeds, and we borrow from his paper the following extract from Manu (viii. 132): “The very small mote which may be discerned in a sunbeam passing through a lattice is the first of quantities, and men call it a trasarenu. 133. Eight of these trasarenus are supposed equal in weight to one minute poppy-seed (likhyá), three of those seeds are equal to one black mustard - seed (raja - sarshapa), and three of these last to a white mustard-seed (gaura-sarshapa). 134. Six white mustard-seeds are equal to a middle-sized barley-corn (yava), three such barley-corns to one krishnala (or raktika), five krishnalas of gold are one másha, and sixteen such máshas one suvarna,” &c. (ibid. p. 13). In the Ain, Abul Fazl calls the ratti surkh, which is a translation (Pers. for ‘red’). In Persia the seed is called chashm-i-khurus, ‘Cock’s eye’ (see Blochmann’s E.T., i. 16 n., and Jarrett, ii. 354). Further notices of the rati used as a weight for precious stones will be found in Sir W. Elliot’s Coins of Madras (p. 49). Sir Walter’s experience is that the rati of the gem-dealers is a double rati, and an approximation to the manjadi (see MANGELIN). This accounts for Tavernier’s valuation at 3½ grs. [Mr. Ball gives the weight at 2·66 Troy grs. (Tavernier, ii. 448).] c. 1676.—“At the mine of Soumelpour in Bengala, they weigh by Rati’s, and the Rati is seven eighths of a Carat, or three grains and a half.”—Tavernier, E.T. ii. 140; [ed. Ball, ii. 89]. Previous chapter Back Home Email this Search Discuss Bookmark Next chapter Copyright: All texts on Bibliomania are © Bibliomania.com Ltd, and may not be reproduced in any form without our written permission. See our FAQ for more details. This is what I found about ratti on web. The page cannot be copied in part so I am sending entire text. Chandrashekhar. - Gauranga Das vedic astrology Friday, March 14, 2003 1:23 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis JAYA JAGANNATHA!Dear Chandramukha,Hare Krishna.Of course Swee is the gemstone expert, so we are interested to hear herdefrinition of Ratti. But as far as I remember from our cdiscussion,different measures are taken as one Ratti, there is small Ratti and bigRatti also. However our conclusion was that one Ratti more or less equalsone carate, i.e. 0.2 gms.Yours,Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies:WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839> -=Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya Namah=->> Dear Jyoptisha,>> Please explain, how many carat in rattis? There are many different> opinions on this account. In VRA there is a description of stones and> how many rattis the stone should be taken for each stone.>> --> Best regards,> Chandramukha das>>> Archives: vedic astrology>> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......>> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||>> Your use of is subject to >>>>Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Dear Chadrashekhar, font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Thank you for the article. The problem we have is to weigh out which rice grain? Basmati or medium rice grain? It would make sense to weigh out the medium rice grain, as this is available throughout the seasons/year. font-family:Verdana">Short grain is not considered by me, as I reckon it is eaten during winter season only. font-family:Verdana">I hope this makes more sense now and I would go with the formula I have given for now. font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Best wishes, font-family:Verdana"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Swee color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> -----Original Message----- Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Friday, March 14, 2003 8:57 PM To: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis If I amy add, this is what I foond about Ratti. mso-cellspacing:7.5pt;margin-left:.5in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"> none"> height:.75pt"> color:black">RUSSUD to RUTTEE RUSSUD, s. Pers. rasad. The provisions of grain, forage, and other necessaries got ready by the local officers at the camping ground of a military force or official cortège. The vernacular word has some other technical meanings (see Wilson), but this is its meaning in an Anglo-Indian mouth. mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">[c. 1640–50.—Rasad. (See under TANA.) RUT, s. Hind. rath, ‘a chariot.’ Now applied to a native carriage drawn by a pony, or oxen, and used by women on a journey. Also applied to the car in which idols are carried forth on festival days. [see ROOK.] [1810–17.—“Tippoo’s Aumil…wanted iron, and determined to supply himself from the rut, (a temple of carved wood fixed on wheels, drawn in procession on public occasions, and requiring many thousand persons to effect its movement).”—Wilks, Sketches, Madras reprint, ii. 281. [1813.—“In this camp hackeries and ruths, as they are called when they have four wheels, are always drawn by bullocks, and are used, almost exclusively, by the Baees, the Nach girls, and the bankers.”—Broughton, Letters, ed. 1892, p. 117.] 1829.—“This being the case I took the liberty of taking the rut and horse to camp as prize property.”—Mem. of John Shipp, ii. 183. windowtext"> RUTTEE, RETTEE, s. Hind. ratti, rati, Skt. raktika, from italic">rakta, ‘red.’ The seed of a leguminous creeper (Abrus precatorius, L.) sometimes called country liquorice—a pretty scarlet pea with a black spot—used from time immemorial in India as a goldsmith’s weight, and known in England as ‘Crab’s eyes.’ Mr. Thomas has shown that the ancient ratti may be taken as equal to 1·75 grs. Troy (Numismata Orientalia, New ed., Pt. I. pp. 12–14). This work of Mr. Thomas’s contains interesting information regarding the old Indian custom of basing standard weights upon the weight of seeds, and we borrow from his paper the following extract from Manu (viii. 132): “The very small mote which may be discerned in a sunbeam passing through a lattice is the first of quantities, and men call it a trasarenu. 133. Eight of these trasarenus are supposed equal in weight to one minute poppy-seed (likhyá), three of those seeds are equal to one black mustard - seed (raja - sarshapa), and three of these last to a white mustard-seed (gaura-sarshapa). 134. Six white mustard-seeds are equal to a middle-sized barley-corn (yava), three such barley-corns to one krishnala (or bold">raktika), five krishnalas of gold are one másha, and sixteen such máshas one suvarna,” &c. (ibid. p. 13). In the Ain, Abul Fazl calls the ratti surkh, which is a translation (Pers. for ‘red’). 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"Courier New";color:black"> Dear Chandramukha, Hare Krishna. Of course Swee is the gemstone expert, so we are interested to hear her defrinition of Ratti. But as far as I remember from our cdiscussion, different measures are taken as one Ratti, there is small Ratti and big Ratti also. However our conclusion was that one Ratti more or less equals one carate, i.e. 0.2 gms. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 > -=Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya Namah=- > > Dear Jyoptisha, > > Please explain, how many carat in rattis? There are many different > opinions on this account. In VRA there is a description of stones and > how many rattis the stone should be taken for each stone. > > -- > Best regards, > Chandramukha das > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 Dear Swee, 1 ratti is equal to 1/64 of a Tola which is equal to 181 Milli Grams.But 1 carat is 200 Milli Grams. I hope this helps. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Thank you for the article. The problem we have is to weigh out which rice grain? Basmati or medium rice grain? It would make sense to weigh out the medium rice grain, as this is available throughout the seasons/year. Short grain is not considered by me, as I reckon it is eaten during winter season only. I hope this makes more sense now and I would go with the formula I have given for now. Best wishes, Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:57 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis If I amy add, this is what I foond about Ratti. none"> RUSSUD to RUTTEE RUSSUD, s. Pers. rasad. The provisions of grain, forage, and other necessaries got ready by the local officers at the camping ground of a military force or official cortège. The vernacular word has some other technical meanings (see Wilson), but this is its meaning in an Anglo-Indian mouth. [c. 1640–50.—Rasad. (See under TANA.) RUT, s. Hind. rath, ‘a chariot.’ Now applied to a native carriage drawn by a pony, or oxen, and used by women on a journey. Also applied to the car in which idols are carried forth on festival days. [see ROOK.] [1810–17.—“Tippoo’s Aumil…wanted iron, and determined to supply himself from the rut, (a temple of carved wood fixed on wheels, drawn in procession on public occasions, and requiring many thousand persons to effect its movement).”—Wilks, Sketches, Madras reprint, ii. 281.[1813.—“In this camp hackeries and ruths, as they are called when they have four wheels, are always drawn by bullocks, and are used, almost exclusively, by the Baees, the Nach girls, and the bankers.”—Broughton, Letters, ed. 1892, p. 117.]1829.—“This being the case I took the liberty of taking the rut and horse to camp as prize property.”—Mem. of John Shipp, ii. 183. RUTTEE, RETTEE, s. Hind. ratti, rati, Skt. raktika, from rakta, ‘red.’ The seed of a leguminous creeper (Abrus precatorius, L.) sometimes called country liquorice—a pretty scarlet pea with a black spot—used from time immemorial in India as a goldsmith’s weight, and known in England as ‘Crab’s eyes.’ Mr. Thomas has shown that the ancient ratti may be taken as equal to 1·75 grs. Troy (Numismata Orientalia, New ed., Pt. I. pp. 12–14). This work of Mr. Thomas’s contains interesting information regarding the old Indian custom of basing standard weights upon the weight of seeds, and we borrow from his paper the following extract from Manu (viii. 132): “The very small mote which may be discerned in a sunbeam passing through a lattice is the first of quantities, and men call it a trasarenu. 133. Eight of these trasarenus are supposed equal in weight to one minute poppy-seed (likhyá), three of those seeds are equal to one black mustard - seed (raja - sarshapa), and three of these last to a white mustard-seed (gaura-sarshapa). 134. Six white mustard-seeds are equal to a middle-sized barley-corn (yava), three such barley-corns to one krishnala (or raktika), five krishnalas of gold are one másha, and sixteen such máshas one suvarna,” &c. (ibid. p. 13). In the Ain, Abul Fazl calls the ratti surkh, which is a translation (Pers. for ‘red’). In Persia the seed is called chashm-i-khurus, ‘Cock’s eye’ (see Blochmann’s E.T., i. 16 n., and Jarrett, ii. 354). Further notices of the rati used as a weight for precious stones will be found in Sir W. Elliot’s Coins of Madras (p. 49). Sir Walter’s experience is that the rati of the gem-dealers is a double rati, and an approximation to the manjadi (see MANGELIN). This accounts for Tavernier’s valuation at 3½ grs. [Mr. Ball gives the weight at 2·66 Troy grs. (Tavernier, ii. 448).] c. 1676.—“At the mine of Soumelpour in Bengala, they weigh by Rati’s, and the Rati is seven eighths of a Carat, or three grains and a half.”—Tavernier, E.T. ii. 140; [ed. Ball, ii. 89]. none"> Previous chapter Back Home Email this Search Discuss Bookmark Next chapter Copyright: All texts on Bibliomania are © Bibliomania.com Ltd, and may not be reproduced in any form without our written permission. See our FAQ for more details. This is what I found about ratti on web. The page cannot be copied in part so I am sending entire text. Chandrashekhar. - Gauranga Das vedic astrology Friday, March 14, 2003 1:23 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis JAYA JAGANNATHA!Dear Chandramukha,Hare Krishna.Of course Swee is the gemstone expert, so we are interested to hear herdefrinition of Ratti. But as far as I remember from our cdiscussion,different measures are taken as one Ratti, there is small Ratti and bigRatti also. However our conclusion was that one Ratti more or less equalsone carate, i.e. 0.2 gms.Yours,Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies:WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839> -=Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya Namah=->> Dear Jyoptisha,>> Please explain, how many carat in rattis? There are many different> opinions on this account. In VRA there is a description of stones and> how many rattis the stone should be taken for each stone.>> --> Best regards,> Chandramukha das>>> Archives: vedic astrology>> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......>> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||>> Your use of is subject to >>>>Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 Dear Swee, In the details inserted, it is clearly mentioned that it is seed of a leguminousclimber. It is probably called Carob Seed in English. It is called as "Gunja" in Marathi language. It is lustrous red and hard and surprisingly with hardly any variation in weight. I think it is 1.81gm.s or so. So rice grain does not come into picture at all. Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan vedic astrology Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:16 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Thank you for the article. The problem we have is to weigh out which rice grain? Basmati or medium rice grain? It would make sense to weigh out the medium rice grain, as this is available throughout the seasons/year. Short grain is not considered by me, as I reckon it is eaten during winter season only. I hope this makes more sense now and I would go with the formula I have given for now. Best wishes, 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:57 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis If I amy add, this is what I foond about Ratti. none"> RUSSUD to RUTTEE RUSSUD, s. Pers. rasad. The provisions of grain, forage, and other necessaries got ready by the local officers at the camping ground of a military force or official cortège. The vernacular word has some other technical meanings (see Wilson), but this is its meaning in an Anglo-Indian mouth. [c. 1640–50.—Rasad. (See under TANA.) RUT, s. Hind. rath, ‘a chariot.’ Now applied to a native carriage drawn by a pony, or oxen, and used by women on a journey. Also applied to the car in which idols are carried forth on festival days. [see ROOK.] [1810–17.—“Tippoo’s Aumil…wanted iron, and determined to supply himself from the rut, (a temple of carved wood fixed on wheels, drawn in procession on public occasions, and requiring many thousand persons to effect its movement).”—Wilks, Sketches, Madras reprint, ii. 281.[1813.—“In this camp hackeries and ruths, as they are called when they have four wheels, are always drawn by bullocks, and are used, almost exclusively, by the Baees, the Nach girls, and the bankers.”—Broughton, Letters, ed. 1892, p. 117.]1829.—“This being the case I took the liberty of taking the rut and horse to camp as prize property.”—Mem. of John Shipp, ii. 183. RUTTEE, RETTEE, s. Hind. ratti, rati, Skt. raktika, from rakta, ‘red.’ The seed of a leguminous creeper (Abrus precatorius, L.) sometimes called country liquorice—a pretty scarlet pea with a black spot—used from time immemorial in India as a goldsmith’s weight, and known in England as ‘Crab’s eyes.’ Mr. Thomas has shown that the ancient ratti may be taken as equal to 1·75 grs. Troy (Numismata Orientalia, New ed., Pt. I. pp. 12–14). This work of Mr. Thomas’s contains interesting information regarding the old Indian custom of basing standard weights upon the weight of seeds, and we borrow from his paper the following extract from Manu (viii. 132): “The very small mote which may be discerned in a sunbeam passing through a lattice is the first of quantities, and men call it a trasarenu. 133. Eight of these trasarenus are supposed equal in weight to one minute poppy-seed (likhyá), three of those seeds are equal to one black mustard - seed (raja - sarshapa), and three of these last to a white mustard-seed (gaura-sarshapa). 134. Six white mustard-seeds are equal to a middle-sized barley-corn (yava), three such barley-corns to one krishnala (or raktika), five krishnalas of gold are one másha, and sixteen such máshas one suvarna,” &c. (ibid. p. 13). In the Ain, Abul Fazl calls the ratti surkh, which is a translation (Pers. for ‘red’). In Persia the seed is called chashm-i-khurus, ‘Cock’s eye’ (see Blochmann’s E.T., i. 16 n., and Jarrett, ii. 354). Further notices of the rati used as a weight for precious stones will be found in Sir W. Elliot’s Coins of Madras (p. 49). Sir Walter’s experience is that the rati of the gem-dealers is a double rati, and an approximation to the manjadi (see MANGELIN). This accounts for Tavernier’s valuation at 3½ grs. [Mr. Ball gives the weight at 2·66 Troy grs. (Tavernier, ii. 448).] c. 1676.—“At the mine of Soumelpour in Bengala, they weigh by Rati’s, and the Rati is seven eighths of a Carat, or three grains and a half.”—Tavernier, E.T. ii. 140; [ed. Ball, ii. 89]. none"> Previous chapter Back Home Email this Search Discuss Bookmark Next chapter Copyright: All texts on Bibliomania are © Bibliomania.com Ltd, and may not be reproduced in any form without our written permission. See our FAQ for more details. This is what I found about ratti on web. The page cannot be copied in part so I am sending entire text. Chandrashekhar. - Gauranga Das vedic astrology Friday, March 14, 2003 1:23 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis JAYA JAGANNATHA!Dear Chandramukha,Hare Krishna.Of course Swee is the gemstone expert, so we are interested to hear herdefrinition of Ratti. But as far as I remember from our cdiscussion,different measures are taken as one Ratti, there is small Ratti and bigRatti also. However our conclusion was that one Ratti more or less equalsone carate, i.e. 0.2 gms.Yours,Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies:WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839> -=Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya Namah=->> Dear Jyoptisha,>> Please explain, how many carat in rattis? There are many different> opinions on this account. In VRA there is a description of stones and> how many rattis the stone should be taken for each stone.>> --> Best regards,> Chandramukha das>>> Archives: vedic astrology>> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......>> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||>> Your use of is subject to >>>>Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 font-family:Verdana"> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> Swee Chan [swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm] Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:59 PM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis 12.0pt"> font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha font-family:Verdana">Dear Chadrashekhar, font-family:Verdana"> Dear Swee, windowtext"> In the details inserted, it is clearly mentioned that it is seed of a leguminousclimber. It is probably called Carob Seed in English. It is called as "Gunja" in Marathi language. It is lustrous red and hard and surprisingly with hardly any variation in weight. I think it is 1.81gm.s or so. So rice grain does not come into picture at all. Chandrashekhar. color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">If you’ve read my earlier mails concerning weights, Garuda Purana says to base it on Tandulas=rice grains (in the slokas relating to diamond). On the issue of weights based on the Gunja/Carob berry @ 1.81 gms/berry = 9.05 carats! So this does not make sense, does it? font-family:Verdana">The literature from Garuda Purana is according to Sanjayji’s instructions, so I will not deviate from there. font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Hoping to have informed you. font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Best wishes, font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Swee font-family:Verdana">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net font-family:Verdana">www.brihaspati.net font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana"> margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">----- Original Message ----- padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> Swee Chan padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">vedic astrology color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:16 AM margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Dear Chadrashekhar, solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Thank you for the article. The problem we have is to weigh out which rice grain? Basmati or medium rice grain? It would make sense to weigh out the medium rice grain, as this is available throughout the seasons/year. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Short grain is not considered by me, as I reckon it is eaten during winter season only. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">I hope this makes more sense now and I would go with the formula I have given for now. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Best wishes, solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-begin'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Swee color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-US">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 12.0pt;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-end'> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black"> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Friday, March 14, 2003 8:57 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis windowtext"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">If I amy add, this is what I foond about Ratti. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-cellspacing:7.5pt;margin-left:75.75pt;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"> none"> height:.75pt"> color:black">RUSSUD to RUTTEE RUSSUD, s. Pers. rasad. The provisions of grain, forage, and other necessaries got ready by the local officers at the camping ground of a military force or official cortège. The vernacular word has some other technical meanings (see Wilson), but this is its meaning in an Anglo-Indian mouth. mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">[c. 1640–50.—Rasad. (See under TANA.) RUT, s. Hind. rath, ‘a chariot.’ Now applied to a native carriage drawn by a pony, or oxen, and used by women on a journey. Also applied to the car in which idols are carried forth on festival days. [see ROOK.] [1810–17.—“Tippoo’s Aumil…wanted iron, and determined to supply himself from the rut, (a temple of carved wood fixed on wheels, drawn in procession on public occasions, and requiring many thousand persons to effect its movement).”—Wilks, Sketches, Madras reprint, ii. 281. [1813.—“In this camp hackeries and ruths, as they are called when they have four wheels, are always drawn by bullocks, and are used, almost exclusively, by the Baees, the Nach girls, and the bankers.”—Broughton, Letters, ed. 1892, p. 117.] 1829.—“This being the case I took the liberty of taking the rut and horse to camp as prize property.”—Mem. of John Shipp, ii. 183. windowtext"> RUTTEE, RETTEE, s. Hind. ratti, rati, Skt. raktika, from rakta, ‘red.’ The seed of a leguminous creeper (Abrus precatorius, L.) sometimes called country liquorice—a pretty scarlet pea with a black spot—used from time immemorial in India as a goldsmith’s weight, and known in England as ‘Crab’s eyes.’ Mr. Thomas has shown that the ancient ratti may be taken as equal to 1·75 grs. Troy (Numismata Orientalia, New ed., Pt. I. pp. 12–14). This work of Mr. Thomas’s contains interesting information regarding the old Indian custom of basing standard weights upon the weight of seeds, and we borrow from his paper the following extract from Manu (viii. 132): “The very small mote which may be discerned in a sunbeam passing through a lattice is the first of quantities, and men call it a trasarenu. 133. Eight of these trasarenus are supposed equal in weight to one minute poppy-seed (likhyá), three of those seeds are equal to one black mustard - seed (raja - sarshapa), and three of these last to a white mustard-seed (gaura-sarshapa). 134. Six white mustard-seeds are equal to a middle-sized barley-corn (yava), three such barley-corns to one krishnala (or raktika), five krishnalas of gold are one másha, and sixteen such máshas one italic">suvarna,” &c. (ibid. p. 13). In the Ain, Abul Fazl calls the ratti surkh, which is a translation (Pers. for ‘red’). In Persia the seed is called chashm-i-khurus, ‘Cock’s eye’ (see Blochmann’s E.T., i. 16 n., and Jarrett, ii. 354). Further notices of the rati used as a weight for precious stones will be found in Sir W. Elliot’s Coins of Madras (p. 49). Sir Walter’s experience is that the rati of the gem-dealers is a double rati, and an approximation to the manjadi (see MANGELIN). This accounts for Tavernier’s valuation at 3½ grs. [Mr. Ball gives the weight at 2·66 Troy grs. (Tavernier, ii. 448).] mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">c. 1676.—“At the mine of Soumelpour in Bengala, they weigh by Rati’s, and the Rati is seven eighths of a Carat, or three grains and a half.”—Tavernier, E.T. ii. 140; [ed. Ball, ii. 89]. windowtext"> height:.75pt"> none"> height:.75pt"> mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"> Previous chapter Back Home Email this mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Search windowtext"> Discuss windowtext"> Bookmark windowtext"> Next chapter windowtext"> height:.75pt"> Copyright: All texts on Bibliomania are © Bibliomania.com Ltd, and may not be reproduced in any form without our written permission. See our FAQ for more details. color:black">This is what I found about ratti on web. The page cannot be copied in part so I am sending entire text. 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"Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> Dear Chandramukha, Hare Krishna. Of course Swee is the gemstone expert, so we are interested to hear her defrinition of Ratti. But as far as I remember from our cdiscussion, different measures are taken as one Ratti, there is small Ratti and big Ratti also. However our conclusion was that one Ratti more or less equals one carate, i.e. 0.2 gms. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 > -=Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya Namah=- > > Dear Jyoptisha, > > Please explain, how many carat in rattis? There are many different > opinions on this account. In VRA there is a description of stones and > how many rattis the stone should be taken for each stone. > > -- > Best regards, > Chandramukha das > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 Dear Swee, I was wrong weight of Carob seed is 181 mg.I think we were posting on the weight equivalent of Ratti or rutti, which a weight measure used in India for Gems other than Diamonds even now. Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan Vedic-Astrology Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:01 PM FW: [vedic astrology] Rattis Swee Chan [swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm]Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:59 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Dear Swee, In the details inserted, it is clearly mentioned that it is seed of a leguminousclimber. It is probably called Carob Seed in English. It is called as "Gunja" in Marathi language. It is lustrous red and hard and surprisingly with hardly any variation in weight. I think it is 1.81gm.s or so. So rice grain does not come into picture at all. Chandrashekhar. If you’ve read my earlier mails concerning weights, Garuda Purana says to base it on Tandulas=rice grains (in the slokas relating to diamond). On the issue of weights based on the Gunja/Carob berry @ 1.81 gms/berry = 9.05 carats! So this does not make sense, does it? The literature from Garuda Purana is according to Sanjayji’s instructions, so I will not deviate from there. Hoping to have informed you. Best wishes, Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net www.brihaspati.net - Swee Chan vedic astrology Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:16 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Thank you for the article. The problem we have is to weigh out which rice grain? Basmati or medium rice grain? It would make sense to weigh out the medium rice grain, as this is available throughout the seasons/year. Short grain is not considered by me, as I reckon it is eaten during winter season only. I hope this makes more sense now and I would go with the formula I have given for now. Best wishes, 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-begin'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-end'> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:57 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis If I amy add, this is what I foond about Ratti. none"> height:.75pt"> color:black">RUSSUD to RUTTEE RUSSUD, s. Pers. rasad. The provisions of grain, forage, and other necessaries got ready by the local officers at the camping ground of a military force or official cortège. The vernacular word has some other technical meanings (see Wilson), but this is its meaning in an Anglo-Indian mouth. mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">[c. 1640????.;—Rasad. (See under TANA.) RUT, s. Hind. rath, ‘a; chariot.’ Now applied to a native carriage drawn by a pony, or oxen, and used by women on a journey. Also applied to the car in which idols are carried forth on festival days. [see ROOK.] [1810????.;—“Tippoo;’s; Aumil…wanted; iron, and determined to supply himself from the rut, (a temple of carved wood fixed on wheels, drawn in procession on public occasions, and requiring many thousand persons to effect its movement).”—Wilks, Sketches, Madras reprint, ii. 281. [1813.—“In; this camp hackeries and ruths, as they are called when they have four wheels, are always drawn by bullocks, and are used, almost exclusively, by the Baees, the Nach girls, and the bankers.”—Broughton, Letters, ed. 1892, p. 117.] 1829.—“This; being the case I took the liberty of taking the rut and horse to camp as prize property.”—Mem. of John Shipp, ii. 183. windowtext"> RUTTEE, RETTEE, s. Hind. ratti, rati, Skt. raktika, from rakta, ‘red.;’ The seed of a leguminous creeper (Abrus precatorius, L.) sometimes called country liquorice—a; pretty scarlet pea with a black spot—used; from time immemorial in India as a goldsmith’s; weight, and known in England as ‘Crab;’s; eyes.’ Mr. Thomas has shown that the ancient ratti may be taken as equal to 1·75 grs. Troy (Numismata Orientalia, New ed., Pt. I. pp. 12????). This work of Mr. Thomas’s; contains interesting information regarding the old Indian custom of basing standard weights upon the weight of seeds, and we borrow from his paper the following extract from Manu (viii. 132): “The; very small mote which may be discerned in a sunbeam passing through a lattice is the first of quantities, and men call it a trasarenu. 133. Eight of these trasarenus are supposed equal in weight to one minute poppy-seed (likhyá), three of those seeds are equal to one black mustard - seed (raja - sarshapa), and three of these last to a white mustard-seed (gaura-sarshapa). 134. Six white mustard-seeds are equal to a middle-sized barley-corn (yava), three such barley-corns to one krishnala (or raktika), five krishnalas of gold are one másha, and sixteen such máshas one italic">suvarna,” &c.; (ibid. p. 13). In the Ain, Abul Fazl calls the ratti surkh, which is a translation (Pers. for ‘red;’). In Persia the seed is called chashm-i-khurus, ‘Cock;’s; eye’ (see Blochmann’s; E.T., i. 16 n., and Jarrett, ii. 354). Further notices of the rati used as a weight for precious stones will be found in Sir W. Elliot’s; Coins of Madras (p. 49). Sir Walter’s; experience is that the rati of the gem-dealers is a double rati, and an approximation to the manjadi (see MANGELIN). This accounts for Tavernier’s; valuation at 3½ grs. [Mr. Ball gives the weight at 2·66 Troy grs. (Tavernier, ii. 448).] mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">c. 1676.—“At; the mine of Soumelpour in Bengala, they weigh by Rati’s;, and the Rati is seven eighths of a Carat, or three grains and a half.”—Tavernier, E.T. ii. 140; [ed. Ball, ii. 89]. windowtext"> height:.75pt"> none"> height:.75pt"> mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"> Previous chapter Back Home Email this mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Search windowtext"> Discuss windowtext"> Bookmark windowtext"> Next chapter windowtext"> height:.75pt"> Copyright: All texts on Bibliomania are © Bibliomania.com Ltd, and may not be reproduced in any form without our written permission. See our FAQ for more details. color:black">This is what I found about ratti on web. The page cannot be copied in part so I am sending entire text. Chandrashekhar. margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">----- Original Message ----- padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> color:black"> Gauranga Das padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">vedic astrology color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Friday, March 14, 2003 1:23 PM margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">JAYA JAGANNATHA! "Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> Dear Chandramukha, Hare Krishna. Of course Swee is the gemstone expert, so we are interested to hear her defrinition of Ratti. But as far as I remember from our cdiscussion, different measures are taken as one Ratti, there is small Ratti and big Ratti also. However our conclusion was that one Ratti more or less equals one carate, i.e. 0.2 gms. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 > -=Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya Namah=- > > Dear Jyoptisha, > > Please explain, how many carat in rattis? There are many different > opinions on this account. In VRA there is a description of stones and > how many rattis the stone should be taken for each stone. > > -- > Best regards, > Chandramukha das > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha font-family:Verdana">Dear Chadrashekhar, 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">The jeweller Gauranga Das and I went to in Delhi priced and weighed out gems in carats. font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Best wishes, 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Swee color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> -----Original Message----- Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:07 PM To: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis Dear Swee, windowtext"> I was wrong weight of Carob seed is 181 mg.I think we were posting on the weight equivalent of Ratti or rutti, which a weight measure used in India for Gems other than Diamonds even now. Chandrashekhar. margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">----- Original Message ----- margin-left:39.75pt;background:#E4E4E4;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> Swee Chan Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Vedic-Astrology color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:01 PM margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">FW: [vedic astrology] Rattis margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black"> Swee Chan [swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm] Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:59 PM vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis windowtext"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Dear Chadrashekhar, solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">Dear Swee, mso-color-alt:windowtext"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">In the details inserted, it is clearly mentioned that it is seed of a leguminousclimber. It is probably called Carob Seed in English. It is called as "Gunja" in Marathi language. It is lustrous red and hard and surprisingly with hardly any variation in weight. I think it is 1.81gm.s or so. So rice grain does not come into picture at all. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">Chandrashekhar. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">If you’ve read my earlier mails concerning weights, Garuda Purana says to base it on Tandulas=rice grains (in the slokas relating to diamond). On the issue of weights based on the Gunja/Carob berry @ 1.81 gms/berry = 9.05 carats! So this does not make sense, does it? solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">The literature from Garuda Purana is according to Sanjayji’s instructions, so I will not deviate from there. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Hoping to have informed you. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Best wishes, solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Swee solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">www.brihaspati.net solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">----- Original Message ----- margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> Swee Chan margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black"> margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">vedic astrology color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:16 AM margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Dear Chadrashekhar, solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Thank you for the article. The problem we have is to weigh out which rice grain? Basmati or medium rice grain? It would make sense to weigh out the medium rice grain, as this is available throughout the seasons/year. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Short grain is not considered by me, as I reckon it is eaten during winter season only. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">I hope this makes more sense now and I would go with the formula I have given for now. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Best wishes, solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-begin'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Swee color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-US">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 12.0pt;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-end'> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black"> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Friday, March 14, 2003 8:57 PM To: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis windowtext"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">If I amy add, this is what I foond about Ratti. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-cellspacing:7.5pt;margin-left:115.5pt;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"> none"> height:.75pt"> color:black">RUSSUD to RUTTEE RUSSUD, s. Pers. rasad. The provisions of grain, forage, and other necessaries got ready by the local officers at the camping ground of a military force or official cortège. The vernacular word has some other technical meanings (see Wilson), but this is its meaning in an Anglo-Indian mouth. mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">[c. 1640螞.—Rasad. (See under TANA.) RUT, s. Hind. rath, ‘a chariot.’ Now applied to a native carriage drawn by a pony, or oxen, and used by women on a journey. Also applied to the car in which idols are carried forth on festival days. [see ROOK.] [1810蝽.—“Tippoo’s Aumil…wanted iron, and determined to supply himself from the rut, (a temple of carved wood fixed on wheels, drawn in procession on public occasions, and requiring many thousand persons to effect its movement).”—Wilks, Sketches, Madras reprint, ii. 281. [1813.—“In this camp hackeries and ruths, as they are called when they have four wheels, are always drawn by bullocks, and are used, almost exclusively, by the Baees, the Nach girls, and the bankers.”—Broughton, Letters, ed. 1892, p. 117.] 1829.—“This being the case I took the liberty of taking the rut and horse to camp as prize property.”—Mem. of John Shipp, ii. 183. windowtext"> RUTTEE, RETTEE, s. Hind. ratti, rati, Skt. raktika, from rakta, ‘red.’ The seed of a leguminous creeper (Abrus precatorius, L.) sometimes called country liquorice—a pretty scarlet pea with a black spot—used from time immemorial in India as a goldsmith’s weight, and known in England as ‘Crab’s eyes.’ Mr. Thomas has shown that the ancient ratti may be taken as equal to 1·75 grs. Troy (Numismata Orientalia, New ed., Pt. I. pp. 12蝺). This work of Mr. Thomas’s contains interesting information regarding the old Indian custom of basing standard weights upon the weight of seeds, and we borrow from his paper the following extract from Manu (viii. 132): “The very small mote which may be discerned in a sunbeam passing through a lattice is the first of quantities, and men call it a trasarenu. 133. Eight of these trasarenus are supposed equal in weight to one minute poppy-seed (likhyá), three of those seeds are equal to one black mustard - seed (raja - sarshapa), and three of these last to a white mustard-seed (gaura-sarshapa). 134. Six white mustard-seeds are equal to a middle-sized barley-corn (yava), three such barley-corns to one krishnala (or raktika), five krishnalas of gold are one másha, and sixteen such máshas one italic">suvarna,” &c. (ibid. p. 13). In the Ain, Abul Fazl calls the ratti surkh, which is a translation (Pers. for ‘red’). In Persia the seed is called chashm-i-khurus, ‘Cock’s eye’ (see Blochmann’s E.T., i. 16 n., and Jarrett, ii. 354). Further notices of the rati used as a weight for precious stones will be found in Sir W. Elliot’s Coins of Madras (p. 49). Sir Walter’s experience is that the rati of the gem-dealers is a double rati, and an approximation to the manjadi (see MANGELIN). This accounts for Tavernier’s valuation at 3½ grs. [Mr. Ball gives the weight at 2·66 Troy grs. (Tavernier, ii. 448).] mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">c. 1676.—“At the mine of Soumelpour in Bengala, they weigh by Rati’s, and the Rati is seven eighths of a Carat, or three grains and a half.”—Tavernier, E.T. ii. 140; [ed. Ball, ii. 89]. windowtext"> height:.75pt"> none"> height:.75pt"> mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"> Previous chapter Back Home Email this mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Search windowtext"> Discuss windowtext"> Bookmark windowtext"> Next chapter height:.75pt"> Copyright: All texts on Bibliomania are © Bibliomania.com Ltd, and may not be reproduced in any form without our written permission. See our FAQ for more details. color:black">This is what I found about ratti on web. The page cannot be copied in part so I am sending entire text. Chandrashekhar. margin-left:119.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">----- Original Message ----- margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> Gauranga Das margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:119.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">vedic astrology color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:119.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Friday, March 14, 2003 1:23 PM margin-left:119.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis margin-left:119.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> margin-left:119.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">JAYA JAGANNATHA! "Courier New";color:black"> Dear Chandramukha, Hare Krishna. Of course Swee is the gemstone expert, so we are interested to hear her defrinition of Ratti. But as far as I remember from our cdiscussion, different measures are taken as one Ratti, there is small Ratti and big Ratti also. However our conclusion was that one Ratti more or less equals one carate, i.e. 0.2 gms. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 > -=Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya Namah=- > > Dear Jyoptisha, > > Please explain, how many carat in rattis? There are many different > opinions on this account. In VRA there is a description of stones and > how many rattis the stone should be taken for each stone. > > -- > Best regards, > Chandramukha das > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 Dear Swee, Delhi jewellers cater to the upper crust of Indian society. Even ther had you asked them to give gems by ratti weight , surely you would have received them. You can confirm from other astrologers and jewellers, in India, whether even today astrologers are recommending gems by Ratti weight or not. You can ask Sanjayji if you like. Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan vedic astrology Monday, March 17, 2003 1:10 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, The jeweller Gauranga Das and I went to in Delhi priced and weighed out gems in carats. Best wishes, 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:07 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis Dear Swee, I was wrong weight of Carob seed is 181 mg.I think we were posting on the weight equivalent of Ratti or rutti, which a weight measure used in India for Gems other than Diamonds even now. Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan Vedic-Astrology Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:01 PM FW: [vedic astrology] Rattis Swee Chan [swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm]Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:59 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Dear Swee, In the details inserted, it is clearly mentioned that it is seed of a leguminousclimber. It is probably called Carob Seed in English. It is called as "Gunja" in Marathi language. It is lustrous red and hard and surprisingly with hardly any variation in weight. I think it is 1.81gm.s or so. So rice grain does not come into picture at all. Chandrashekhar. If you’ve read my earlier mails concerning weights, Garuda Purana says to base it on Tandulas=rice grains (in the slokas relating to diamond). On the issue of weights based on the Gunja/Carob berry @ 1.81 gms/berry = 9.05 carats! So this does not make sense, does it? The literature from Garuda Purana is according to Sanjayji’s instructions, so I will not deviate from there. Hoping to have informed you. Best wishes, Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net www.brihaspati.net - Swee Chan vedic astrology Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:16 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Thank you for the article. The problem we have is to weigh out which rice grain? Basmati or medium rice grain? It would make sense to weigh out the medium rice grain, as this is available throughout the seasons/year. Short grain is not considered by me, as I reckon it is eaten during winter season only. I hope this makes more sense now and I would go with the formula I have given for now. Best wishes, 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-begin'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-end'> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:57 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis If I amy add, this is what I foond about Ratti. none"> height:.75pt"> color:black">RUSSUD to RUTTEE RUSSUD, s. Pers. rasad. The provisions of grain, forage, and other necessaries got ready by the local officers at the camping ground of a military force or official cortège. The vernacular word has some other technical meanings (see Wilson), but this is its meaning in an Anglo-Indian mouth. mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">[c. 1640螞.;—Rasad. (See under TANA.) RUT, s. Hind. rath, ‘a; chariot.’ Now applied to a native carriage drawn by a pony, or oxen, and used by women on a journey. Also applied to the car in which idols are carried forth on festival days. [see ROOK.] [1810蝽.;—“Tippoo;’s; Aumil…wanted; iron, and determined to supply himself from the rut, (a temple of carved wood fixed on wheels, drawn in procession on public occasions, and requiring many thousand persons to effect its movement).”—Wilks, Sketches, Madras reprint, ii. 281. [1813.—“In; this camp hackeries and ruths, as they are called when they have four wheels, are always drawn by bullocks, and are used, almost exclusively, by the Baees, the Nach girls, and the bankers.”—Broughton, Letters, ed. 1892, p. 117.] 1829.—“This; being the case I took the liberty of taking the rut and horse to camp as prize property.”—Mem. of John Shipp, ii. 183. windowtext"> RUTTEE, RETTEE, s. Hind. ratti, rati, Skt. raktika, from rakta, ‘red.;’ The seed of a leguminous creeper (Abrus precatorius, L.) sometimes called country liquorice—a; pretty scarlet pea with a black spot—used; from time immemorial in India as a goldsmith’s; weight, and known in England as ‘Crab;’s; eyes.’ Mr. Thomas has shown that the ancient ratti may be taken as equal to 1·75 grs. Troy (Numismata Orientalia, New ed., Pt. I. pp. 12蝺). This work of Mr. Thomas’s; contains interesting information regarding the old Indian custom of basing standard weights upon the weight of seeds, and we borrow from his paper the following extract from Manu (viii. 132): “The; very small mote which may be discerned in a sunbeam passing through a lattice is the first of quantities, and men call it a trasarenu. 133. Eight of these trasarenus are supposed equal in weight to one minute poppy-seed (likhyá), three of those seeds are equal to one black mustard - seed (raja - sarshapa), and three of these last to a white mustard-seed (gaura-sarshapa). 134. Six white mustard-seeds are equal to a middle-sized barley-corn (yava), three such barley-corns to one krishnala (or raktika), five krishnalas of gold are one másha, and sixteen such máshas one italic">suvarna,” &ampc.; (ibid. p. 13). In the Ain, Abul Fazl calls the ratti surkh, which is a translation (Pers. for ‘red;’). In Persia the seed is called chashm-i-khurus, ‘Cock;’s; eye’ (see Blochmann’s; E.T., i. 16 n., and Jarrett, ii. 354). Further notices of the rati used as a weight for precious stones will be found in Sir W. Elliot’s; Coins of Madras (p. 49). Sir Walter’s; experience is that the rati of the gem-dealers is a double rati, and an approximation to the manjadi (see MANGELIN). This accounts for Tavernier’s; valuation at 3½ grs. [Mr. Ball gives the weight at 2·66 Troy grs. (Tavernier, ii. 448).] mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">c. 1676.—“At; the mine of Soumelpour in Bengala, they weigh by Rati’s;, and the Rati is seven eighths of a Carat, or three grains and a half.”—Tavernier, E.T. ii. 140; [ed. Ball, ii. 89]. windowtext"> height:.75pt"> none"> height:.75pt"> mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"> Previous chapter Back Home Email this mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Search windowtext"> Discuss windowtext"> Bookmark windowtext"> Next chapter height:.75pt"> Copyright: All texts on Bibliomania are © Bibliomania.com Ltd, and may not be reproduced in any form without our written permission. See our FAQ for more details. color:black">This is what I found about ratti on web. The page cannot be copied in part so I am sending entire text. 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"Courier New";color:black"> Dear Chandramukha, Hare Krishna. Of course Swee is the gemstone expert, so we are interested to hear her defrinition of Ratti. But as far as I remember from our cdiscussion, different measures are taken as one Ratti, there is small Ratti and big Ratti also. However our conclusion was that one Ratti more or less equals one carate, i.e. 0.2 gms. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 > -=Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya Namah=- > > Dear Jyoptisha, > > Please explain, how many carat in rattis? There are many different > opinions on this account. In VRA there is a description of stones and > how many rattis the stone should be taken for each stone. > > -- > Best regards, > Chandramukha das > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha font-family:Verdana">Dear Chadrashekhar, font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Lest we forget, gems were originally worn by royalty. So to emulate them we mere mortals follow suit mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana;mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol; mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings"> Wingdings">J font-family:Verdana"> In order to bring gems in jyotish to International standards, we will have to follow what the International Gems Industry use: as carat weights. Agree? font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Best wishes, font-family:Verdana"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Swee color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> -----Original Message----- Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:19 PM To: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis Dear Swee, windowtext"> Delhi jewellers cater to the upper crust of Indian society. Even ther had you asked them to give gems by ratti weight , surely you would have received them. You can confirm from other astrologers and jewellers, in India, whether even today astrologers are recommending gems by Ratti weight or not. You can ask Sanjayji if you like. Chandrashekhar. margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">----- Original Message ----- margin-left:39.75pt;background:#E4E4E4;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> Swee Chan Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">vedic astrology color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Monday, March 17, 2003 1:10 AM margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Dear Chadrashekhar, 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">The jeweller Gauranga Das and I went to in Delhi priced and weighed out gems in carats. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Best wishes, solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-begin'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Swee color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 12.0pt;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-end'> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black"> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:07 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis windowtext"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">Dear Swee, mso-color-alt:windowtext"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">I was wrong weight of Carob seed is 181 mg.I think we were posting on the weight equivalent of Ratti or rutti, which a weight measure used in India for Gems other than Diamonds even now. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">Chandrashekhar. margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">----- Original Message ----- margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> Swee Chan margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Vedic-Astrology color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:01 PM margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">FW: [vedic astrology] Rattis margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black"> Swee Chan [swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm] Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:59 PM vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis windowtext"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Dear Chadrashekhar, solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">Dear Swee, mso-color-alt:windowtext"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">In the details inserted, it is clearly mentioned that it is seed of a leguminousclimber. It is probably called Carob Seed in English. It is called as "Gunja" in Marathi language. It is lustrous red and hard and surprisingly with hardly any variation in weight. I think it is 1.81gm.s or so. So rice grain does not come into picture at all. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">Chandrashekhar. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">If you’ve read my earlier mails concerning weights, Garuda Purana says to base it on Tandulas=rice grains (in the slokas relating to diamond). On the issue of weights based on the Gunja/Carob berry @ 1.81 gms/berry = 9.05 carats! So this does not make sense, does it? solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">The literature from Garuda Purana is according to Sanjayji’s instructions, so I will not deviate from there. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Hoping to have informed you. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Best wishes, solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Swee solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">www.brihaspati.net solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> margin-left:119.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">----- Original Message ----- margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> Swee Chan margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black"> margin-left:119.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">vedic astrology color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:119.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:16 AM margin-left:119.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:119.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Dear Chadrashekhar, solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Thank you for the article. The problem we have is to weigh out which rice grain? Basmati or medium rice grain? It would make sense to weigh out the medium rice grain, as this is available throughout the seasons/year. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Short grain is not considered by me, as I reckon it is eaten during winter season only. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">I hope this makes more sense now and I would go with the formula I have given for now. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Best wishes, solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-begin'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Swee color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-US">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 12.0pt;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-end'> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black"> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Friday, March 14, 2003 8:57 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis windowtext"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black">If I amy add, this is what I foond about Ratti. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> mso-cellspacing:7.5pt;margin-left:155.25pt;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"> none"> height:.75pt"> color:black">RUSSUD to RUTTEE RUSSUD, s. Pers. rasad. The provisions of grain, forage, and other necessaries got ready by the local officers at the camping ground of a military force or official cortège. The vernacular word has some other technical meanings (see Wilson), but this is its meaning in an Anglo-Indian mouth. mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">[c. 1640螞.—Rasad. (See under TANA.) RUT, s. Hind. rath, ‘a chariot.’ Now applied to a native carriage drawn by a pony, or oxen, and used by women on a journey. Also applied to the car in which idols are carried forth on festival days. [see ROOK.] [1810蝽.—“Tippoo’s Aumil…wanted iron, and determined to supply himself from the rut, (a temple of carved wood fixed on wheels, drawn in procession on public occasions, and requiring many thousand persons to effect its movement).”—Wilks, Sketches, Madras reprint, ii. 281. [1813.—“In this camp hackeries and ruths, as they are called when they have four wheels, are always drawn by bullocks, and are used, almost exclusively, by the Baees, the Nach girls, and the bankers.”—Broughton, Letters, ed. 1892, p. 117.] 1829.—“This being the case I took the liberty of taking the rut and horse to camp as prize property.”—Mem. of John Shipp, ii. 183. windowtext"> RUTTEE, RETTEE, s. Hind. ratti, rati, Skt. raktika, from rakta, ‘red.’ The seed of a leguminous creeper (Abrus precatorius, L.) sometimes called country liquorice—a pretty scarlet pea with a black spot—used from time immemorial in India as a goldsmith’s weight, and known in England as ‘Crab’s eyes.’ Mr. Thomas has shown that the ancient ratti may be taken as equal to 1·75 grs. Troy (Numismata Orientalia, New ed., Pt. I. pp. 12蝺). This work of Mr. Thomas’s contains interesting information regarding the old Indian custom of basing standard weights upon the weight of seeds, and we borrow from his paper the following extract from Manu (viii. 132): “The very small mote which may be discerned in a sunbeam passing through a lattice is the first of quantities, and men call it a trasarenu. 133. Eight of these trasarenus are supposed equal in weight to one minute poppy-seed (likhyá), three of those seeds are equal to one black mustard - seed (raja - sarshapa), and three of these last to a white mustard-seed (gaura-sarshapa). 134. Six white mustard-seeds are equal to a middle-sized barley-corn (yava), three such barley-corns to one krishnala (or raktika), five krishnalas of gold are one másha, and sixteen such máshas one italic">suvarna,” &ampc. (ibid. p. 13). In the Ain, Abul Fazl calls the ratti surkh, which is a translation (Pers. for ‘red’). In Persia the seed is called chashm-i-khurus, ‘Cock’s eye’ (see Blochmann’s E.T., i. 16 n., and Jarrett, ii. 354). Further notices of the rati used as a weight for precious stones will be found in Sir W. Elliot’s Coins of Madras (p. 49). Sir Walter’s experience is that the rati of the gem-dealers is a double rati, and an approximation to the manjadi (see MANGELIN). This accounts for Tavernier’s valuation at 3½ grs. [Mr. Ball gives the weight at 2·66 Troy grs. (Tavernier, ii. 448).] mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">c. 1676.—“At the mine of Soumelpour in Bengala, they weigh by Rati’s, and the Rati is seven eighths of a Carat, or three grains and a half.”—Tavernier, E.T. ii. 140; [ed. Ball, ii. 89]. windowtext"> height:.75pt"> none"> height:.75pt"> mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"> Previous chapter Back Home Email this mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Search windowtext"> Discuss windowtext"> Bookmark windowtext"> Next chapter height:.75pt"> Copyright: All texts on Bibliomania are © Bibliomania.com Ltd, and may not be reproduced in any form without our written permission. See our FAQ for more details. color:black">This is what I found about ratti on web. The page cannot be copied in part so I am sending entire text. 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"Courier New";color:black"> Dear Chandramukha, Hare Krishna. Of course Swee is the gemstone expert, so we are interested to hear her defrinition of Ratti. But as far as I remember from our cdiscussion, different measures are taken as one Ratti, there is small Ratti and big Ratti also. However our conclusion was that one Ratti more or less equals one carate, i.e. 0.2 gms. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 > -=Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya Namah=- > > Dear Jyoptisha, > > Please explain, how many carat in rattis? There are many different > opinions on this account. In VRA there is a description of stones and > how many rattis the stone should be taken for each stone. > > -- > Best regards, > Chandramukha das > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 ` OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH Dear Swee, In South India ,in almost many of the jeweller shops ,they use both Rattis and Carats.1 Ratti is equal to 1/64 of a Tola which is equal to 181 Milligrams.But 1 carat is equal to 200 Milligrams.Prescribing either in rattis or carats depends on the Astrologers. I hope this helps, With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Lest we forget, gems were originally worn by royalty. So to emulate them we mere mortals follow suit J In order to bring gems in jyotish to International standards, we will have to follow what the International Gems Industry use: as carat weights. Agree? Best wishes, Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:19 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis Dear Swee, Delhi jewellers cater to the upper crust of Indian society. Even ther had you asked them to give gems by ratti weight , surely you would have received them. You can confirm from other astrologers and jewellers, in India, whether even today astrologers are recommending gems by Ratti weight or not. You can ask Sanjayji if you like. Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan vedic astrology Monday, March 17, 2003 1:10 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, The jeweller Gauranga Das and I went to in Delhi priced and weighed out gems in carats. Best wishes, Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:07 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis Dear Swee, I was wrong weight of Carob seed is 181 mg.I think we were posting on the weight equivalent of Ratti or rutti, which a weight measure used in India for Gems other than Diamonds even now. Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan Vedic-Astrology Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:01 PM FW: [vedic astrology] Rattis Swee Chan [swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm]Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:59 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Dear Swee, In the details inserted, it is clearly mentioned that it is seed of a leguminousclimber. It is probably called Carob Seed in English. It is called as "Gunja" in Marathi language. It is lustrous red and hard and surprisingly with hardly any variation in weight. I think it is 1.81gm.s or so. So rice grain does not come into picture at all. Chandrashekhar. If you’ve read my earlier mails concerning weights, Garuda Purana says to base it on Tandulas=rice grains (in the slokas relating to diamond). On the issue of weights based on the Gunja/Carob berry @ 1.81 gms/berry = 9.05 carats! So this does not make sense, does it? The literature from Garuda Purana is according to Sanjayji’s instructions, so I will not deviate from there. Hoping to have informed you. Best wishes, Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net www.brihaspati.net - Swee Chan vedic astrology Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:16 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Thank you for the article. The problem we have is to weigh out which rice grain? Basmati or medium rice grain? It would make sense to weigh out the medium rice grain, as this is available throughout the seasons/year. Short grain is not considered by me, as I reckon it is eaten during winter season only. I hope this makes more sense now and I would go with the formula I have given for now. Best wishes, Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:57 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis If I amy add, this is what I foond about Ratti. none"> height:.75pt"> color:black">RUSSUD to RUTTEE RUSSUD, s. Pers. rasad. The provisions of grain, forage, and other necessaries got ready by the local officers at the camping ground of a military force or official cortège. The vernacular word has some other technical meanings (see Wilson), but this is its meaning in an Anglo-Indian mouth. mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">[c. 1640螞.—Rasad. (See under TANA.) RUT, s. Hind. rath, ‘a chariot.’ Now applied to a native carriage drawn by a pony, or oxen, and used by women on a journey. Also applied to the car in which idols are carried forth on festival days. [see ROOK.] [1810蝽.—“Tippoo’s Aumil…wanted iron, and determined to supply himself from the rut, (a temple of carved wood fixed on wheels, drawn in procession on public occasions, and requiring many thousand persons to effect its movement).”—Wilks, Sketches, Madras reprint, ii. 281. [1813.—“In this camp hackeries and ruths, as they are called when they have four wheels, are always drawn by bullocks, and are used, almost exclusively, by the Baees, the Nach girls, and the bankers.”—Broughton, Letters, ed. 1892, p. 117.] 1829.—“This being the case I took the liberty of taking the rut and horse to camp as prize property.”—Mem. of John Shipp, ii. 183. windowtext"> RUTTEE, RETTEE, s. Hind. ratti, rati, Skt. raktika, from rakta, ‘red.’ The seed of a leguminous creeper (Abrus precatorius, L.) sometimes called country liquorice—a pretty scarlet pea with a black spot—used from time immemorial in India as a goldsmith’s weight, and known in England as ‘Crab’s eyes.’ Mr. Thomas has shown that the ancient ratti may be taken as equal to 1·75 grs. Troy (Numismata Orientalia, New ed., Pt. I. pp. 12蝺). This work of Mr. Thomas’s contains interesting information regarding the old Indian custom of basing standard weights upon the weight of seeds, and we borrow from his paper the following extract from Manu (viii. 132): “The very small mote which may be discerned in a sunbeam passing through a lattice is the first of quantities, and men call it a trasarenu. 133. Eight of these trasarenus are supposed equal in weight to one minute poppy-seed (likhyá), three of those seeds are equal to one black mustard - seed (raja - sarshapa), and three of these last to a white mustard-seed (gaura-sarshapa). 134. Six white mustard-seeds are equal to a middle-sized barley-corn (yava), three such barley-corns to one krishnala (or raktika), five krishnalas of gold are one másha, and sixteen such máshas one italic">suvarna,” &ampampc.; (ibid. p. 13). In the Ain, Abul Fazl calls the ratti surkh, which is a translation (Pers. for ‘red’). In Persia the seed is called chashm-i-khurus, ‘Cock’s eye’ (see Blochmann’s E.T., i. 16 n., and Jarrett, ii. 354). Further notices of the rati used as a weight for precious stones will be found in Sir W. Elliot’s Coins of Madras (p. 49). Sir Walter’s experience is that the rati of the gem-dealers is a double rati, and an approximation to the manjadi (see MANGELIN). This accounts for Tavernier’s valuation at 3½ grs. [Mr. Ball gives the weight at 2·66 Troy grs. (Tavernier, ii. 448).] mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">c. 1676.—“At the mine of Soumelpour in Bengala, they weigh by Rati’s, and the Rati is seven eighths of a Carat, or three grains and a half.”—Tavernier, E.T. ii. 140; [ed. Ball, ii. 89]. windowtext"> height:.75pt"> none"> height:.75pt"> mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"> Previous chapter Back Home Email this mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Search windowtext"> Discuss windowtext"> Bookmark windowtext"> Next chapter height:.75pt"> Copyright: All texts on Bibliomania are © Bibliomania.com Ltd, and may not be reproduced in any form without our written permission. See our FAQ for more details. color:black">This is what I found about ratti on web. The page cannot be copied in part so I am sending entire text. 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"Courier New";color:black"> Dear Chandramukha, Hare Krishna. Of course Swee is the gemstone expert, so we are interested to hear her defrinition of Ratti. But as far as I remember from our cdiscussion, different measures are taken as one Ratti, there is small Ratti and big Ratti also. However our conclusion was that one Ratti more or less equals one carate, i.e. 0.2 gms. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 > -=Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya Namah=- > > Dear Jyoptisha, > > Please explain, how many carat in rattis? There are many different > opinions on this account. In VRA there is a description of stones and > how many rattis the stone should be taken for each stone. > > -- > Best regards, > Chandramukha das > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 Dear Swee, All jewellers in India, whether upper crust Delhi ones or small, local jewellers, use both rati and carats. When speaking in vernacular, rati is used. Indian astrologers almost always prescribe stones in rati weight. Seeing you and Gauranga to be foreigners, the jeweller would have referred to carats, assuming you would not know of ratis. And in the realm of international trade, Indians use carats to be at par with the standardization required for international markets. So like most things in India, the traditional and the modern exist at parallel levels and are used simultaneously. Best regards, Sarbani Swee Chan [swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm]Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:41 AMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Lest we forget, gems were originally worn by royalty. So to emulate them we mere mortals follow suit J In order to bring gems in jyotish to International standards, we will have to follow what the International Gems Industry use: as carat weights. Agree? Best wishes, 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:19 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis Dear Swee, Delhi jewellers cater to the upper crust of Indian society. Even ther had you asked them to give gems by ratti weight , surely you would have received them. You can confirm from other astrologers and jewellers, in India, whether even today astrologers are recommending gems by Ratti weight or not. You can ask Sanjayji if you like. Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan vedic astrology Monday, March 17, 2003 1:10 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, The jeweller Gauranga Das and I went to in Delhi priced and weighed out gems in carats. Best wishes, 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-begin'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-end'> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:07 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis Dear Swee, I was wrong weight of Carob seed is 181 mg.I think we were posting on the weight equivalent of Ratti or rutti, which a weight measure used in India for Gems other than Diamonds even now. Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan Vedic-Astrology Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:01 PM FW: [vedic astrology] Rattis Swee Chan [swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm]Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:59 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Dear Swee, In the details inserted, it is clearly mentioned that it is seed of a leguminousclimber. It is probably called Carob Seed in English. It is called as "Gunja" in Marathi language. It is lustrous red and hard and surprisingly with hardly any variation in weight. I think it is 1.81gm.s or so. So rice grain does not come into picture at all. Chandrashekhar. If you’ve read my earlier mails concerning weights, Garuda Purana says to base it on Tandulas=rice grains (in the slokas relating to diamond). On the issue of weights based on the Gunja/Carob berry @ 1.81 gms/berry = 9.05 carats! So this does not make sense, does it? The literature from Garuda Purana is according to Sanjayji’s instructions, so I will not deviate from there. Hoping to have informed you. Best wishes, Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net www.brihaspati.net - Swee Chan vedic astrology Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:16 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Thank you for the article. The problem we have is to weigh out which rice grain? Basmati or medium rice grain? It would make sense to weigh out the medium rice grain, as this is available throughout the seasons/year. Short grain is not considered by me, as I reckon it is eaten during winter season only. I hope this makes more sense now and I would go with the formula I have given for now. Best wishes, 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-begin'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-end'> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:57 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis If I amy add, this is what I foond about Ratti. none"> height:.75pt"> color:black">RUSSUD to RUTTEE RUSSUD, s. Pers. rasad. The provisions of grain, forage, and other necessaries got ready by the local officers at the camping ground of a military force or official cortège. The vernacular word has some other technical meanings (see Wilson), but this is its meaning in an Anglo-Indian mouth. mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">[c. 1640螞.;—Rasad. (See under TANA.) RUT, s. Hind. rath, ‘a; chariot.’ Now applied to a native carriage drawn by a pony, or oxen, and used by women on a journey. Also applied to the car in which idols are carried forth on festival days. [see ROOK.] [1810蝽.;—“Tippoo;’s; Aumil…wanted; iron, and determined to supply himself from the rut, (a temple of carved wood fixed on wheels, drawn in procession on public occasions, and requiring many thousand persons to effect its movement).”—Wilks, Sketches, Madras reprint, ii. 281. [1813.—“In; this camp hackeries and ruths, as they are called when they have four wheels, are always drawn by bullocks, and are used, almost exclusively, by the Baees, the Nach girls, and the bankers.”—Broughton, Letters, ed. 1892, p. 117.] 1829.—“This; being the case I took the liberty of taking the rut and horse to camp as prize property.”—Mem. of John Shipp, ii. 183. windowtext"> RUTTEE, RETTEE, s. Hind. ratti, rati, Skt. raktika, from rakta, ‘red.;’ The seed of a leguminous creeper (Abrus precatorius, L.) sometimes called country liquorice—a; pretty scarlet pea with a black spot—used; from time immemorial in India as a goldsmith’s; weight, and known in England as ‘Crab;’s; eyes.’ Mr. Thomas has shown that the ancient ratti may be taken as equal to 1·75 grs. Troy (Numismata Orientalia, New ed., Pt. I. pp. 12蝺). This work of Mr. Thomas’s; contains interesting information regarding the old Indian custom of basing standard weights upon the weight of seeds, and we borrow from his paper the following extract from Manu (viii. 132): “The; very small mote which may be discerned in a sunbeam passing through a lattice is the first of quantities, and men call it a trasarenu. 133. Eight of these trasarenus are supposed equal in weight to one minute poppy-seed (likhyá), three of those seeds are equal to one black mustard - seed (raja - sarshapa), and three of these last to a white mustard-seed (gaura-sarshapa). 134. Six white mustard-seeds are equal to a middle-sized barley-corn (yava), three such barley-corns to one krishnala (or raktika), five krishnalas of gold are one másha, and sixteen such máshas one italic">suvarna,” &ampampc.; (ibid. p. 13). In the Ain, Abul Fazl calls the ratti surkh, which is a translation (Pers. for ‘red;’). In Persia the seed is called chashm-i-khurus, ‘Cock;’s; eye’ (see Blochmann’s; E.T., i. 16 n., and Jarrett, ii. 354). Further notices of the rati used as a weight for precious stones will be found in Sir W. Elliot’s; Coins of Madras (p. 49). Sir Walter’s; experience is that the rati of the gem-dealers is a double rati, and an approximation to the manjadi (see MANGELIN). This accounts for Tavernier’s; valuation at 3½ grs. [Mr. Ball gives the weight at 2·66 Troy grs. (Tavernier, ii. 448).] mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">c. 1676.—“At; the mine of Soumelpour in Bengala, they weigh by Rati’s;, and the Rati is seven eighths of a Carat, or three grains and a half.”—Tavernier, E.T. ii. 140; [ed. Ball, ii. 89]. windowtext"> height:.75pt"> none"> height:.75pt"> mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"> Previous chapter Back Home Email this mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Search windowtext"> Discuss windowtext"> Bookmark windowtext"> Next chapter height:.75pt"> Copyright: All texts on Bibliomania are © Bibliomania.com Ltd, and may not be reproduced in any form without our written permission. See our FAQ for more details. color:black">This is what I found about ratti on web. The page cannot be copied in part so I am sending entire text. 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"Courier New";color:black"> Dear Chandramukha, Hare Krishna. Of course Swee is the gemstone expert, so we are interested to hear her defrinition of Ratti. But as far as I remember from our cdiscussion, different measures are taken as one Ratti, there is small Ratti and big Ratti also. However our conclusion was that one Ratti more or less equals one carate, i.e. 0.2 gms. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 > -=Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya Namah=- > > Dear Jyoptisha, > > Please explain, how many carat in rattis? There are many different > opinions on this account. In VRA there is a description of stones and > how many rattis the stone should be taken for each stone. > > -- > Best regards, > Chandramukha das > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Dear Swee, I never said international norms should not be followed.If you remember the original post was wrt someone's query about what is weight equivalent of a Ratti. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan vedic astrology Monday, March 17, 2003 3:40 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Lest we forget, gems were originally worn by royalty. So to emulate them we mere mortals follow suit J In order to bring gems in jyotish to International standards, we will have to follow what the International Gems Industry use: as carat weights. Agree? Best wishes, 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:19 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis Dear Swee, Delhi jewellers cater to the upper crust of Indian society. Even ther had you asked them to give gems by ratti weight , surely you would have received them. You can confirm from other astrologers and jewellers, in India, whether even today astrologers are recommending gems by Ratti weight or not. You can ask Sanjayji if you like. Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan vedic astrology Monday, March 17, 2003 1:10 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, The jeweller Gauranga Das and I went to in Delhi priced and weighed out gems in carats. Best wishes, 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-begin'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-end'> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:07 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis Dear Swee, I was wrong weight of Carob seed is 181 mg.I think we were posting on the weight equivalent of Ratti or rutti, which a weight measure used in India for Gems other than Diamonds even now. Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan Vedic-Astrology Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:01 PM FW: [vedic astrology] Rattis Swee Chan [swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm]Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:59 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Dear Swee, In the details inserted, it is clearly mentioned that it is seed of a leguminousclimber. It is probably called Carob Seed in English. It is called as "Gunja" in Marathi language. It is lustrous red and hard and surprisingly with hardly any variation in weight. I think it is 1.81gm.s or so. So rice grain does not come into picture at all. Chandrashekhar. If you’ve read my earlier mails concerning weights, Garuda Purana says to base it on Tandulas=rice grains (in the slokas relating to diamond). On the issue of weights based on the Gunja/Carob berry @ 1.81 gms/berry = 9.05 carats! So this does not make sense, does it? The literature from Garuda Purana is according to Sanjayji’s instructions, so I will not deviate from there. Hoping to have informed you. Best wishes, Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net www.brihaspati.net - Swee Chan vedic astrology Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:16 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Thank you for the article. The problem we have is to weigh out which rice grain? Basmati or medium rice grain? It would make sense to weigh out the medium rice grain, as this is available throughout the seasons/year. Short grain is not considered by me, as I reckon it is eaten during winter season only. I hope this makes more sense now and I would go with the formula I have given for now. Best wishes, 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-begin'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-end'> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:57 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis If I amy add, this is what I foond about Ratti. none"> height:.75pt"> color:black">RUSSUD to RUTTEE RUSSUD, s. Pers. rasad. The provisions of grain, forage, and other necessaries got ready by the local officers at the camping ground of a military force or official cortège. The vernacular word has some other technical meanings (see Wilson), but this is its meaning in an Anglo-Indian mouth. mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">[c. 1640螞.;—Rasad. (See under TANA.) RUT, s. Hind. rath, ‘a; chariot.’ Now applied to a native carriage drawn by a pony, or oxen, and used by women on a journey. Also applied to the car in which idols are carried forth on festival days. [see ROOK.] [1810蝽.;—“Tippoo;’s; Aumil…wanted; iron, and determined to supply himself from the rut, (a temple of carved wood fixed on wheels, drawn in procession on public occasions, and requiring many thousand persons to effect its movement).”—Wilks, Sketches, Madras reprint, ii. 281. [1813.—“In; this camp hackeries and ruths, as they are called when they have four wheels, are always drawn by bullocks, and are used, almost exclusively, by the Baees, the Nach girls, and the bankers.”—Broughton, Letters, ed. 1892, p. 117.] 1829.—“This; being the case I took the liberty of taking the rut and horse to camp as prize property.”—Mem. of John Shipp, ii. 183. windowtext"> RUTTEE, RETTEE, s. Hind. ratti, rati, Skt. raktika, from rakta, ‘red.;’ The seed of a leguminous creeper (Abrus precatorius, L.) sometimes called country liquorice—a; pretty scarlet pea with a black spot—used; from time immemorial in India as a goldsmith’s; weight, and known in England as ‘Crab;’s; eyes.’ Mr. Thomas has shown that the ancient ratti may be taken as equal to 1·75 grs. Troy (Numismata Orientalia, New ed., Pt. I. pp. 12蝺). This work of Mr. Thomas’s; contains interesting information regarding the old Indian custom of basing standard weights upon the weight of seeds, and we borrow from his paper the following extract from Manu (viii. 132): “The; very small mote which may be discerned in a sunbeam passing through a lattice is the first of quantities, and men call it a trasarenu. 133. Eight of these trasarenus are supposed equal in weight to one minute poppy-seed (likhyá), three of those seeds are equal to one black mustard - seed (raja - sarshapa), and three of these last to a white mustard-seed (gaura-sarshapa). 134. Six white mustard-seeds are equal to a middle-sized barley-corn (yava), three such barley-corns to one krishnala (or raktika), five krishnalas of gold are one másha, and sixteen such máshas one italic">suvarna,” &ampampc.; (ibid. p. 13). In the Ain, Abul Fazl calls the ratti surkh, which is a translation (Pers. for ‘red;’). In Persia the seed is called chashm-i-khurus, ‘Cock;’s; eye’ (see Blochmann’s; E.T., i. 16 n., and Jarrett, ii. 354). Further notices of the rati used as a weight for precious stones will be found in Sir W. Elliot’s; Coins of Madras (p. 49). Sir Walter’s; experience is that the rati of the gem-dealers is a double rati, and an approximation to the manjadi (see MANGELIN). This accounts for Tavernier’s; valuation at 3½ grs. [Mr. Ball gives the weight at 2·66 Troy grs. (Tavernier, ii. 448).] mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">c. 1676.—“At; the mine of Soumelpour in Bengala, they weigh by Rati’s;, and the Rati is seven eighths of a Carat, or three grains and a half.”—Tavernier, E.T. ii. 140; [ed. Ball, ii. 89]. windowtext"> height:.75pt"> none"> height:.75pt"> mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"> Previous chapter Back Home Email this mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Search windowtext"> Discuss windowtext"> Bookmark windowtext"> Next chapter height:.75pt"> Copyright: All texts on Bibliomania are © Bibliomania.com Ltd, and may not be reproduced in any form without our written permission. See our FAQ for more details. color:black">This is what I found about ratti on web. The page cannot be copied in part so I am sending entire text. 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"Courier New";color:black"> Dear Chandramukha, Hare Krishna. Of course Swee is the gemstone expert, so we are interested to hear her defrinition of Ratti. But as far as I remember from our cdiscussion, different measures are taken as one Ratti, there is small Ratti and big Ratti also. However our conclusion was that one Ratti more or less equals one carate, i.e. 0.2 gms. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 > -=Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya Namah=- > > Dear Jyoptisha, > > Please explain, how many carat in rattis? There are many different > opinions on this account. In VRA there is a description of stones and > how many rattis the stone should be taken for each stone. > > -- > Best regards, > Chandramukha das > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Dear Sarabani, Thank you for confirming what I said. regards, Chandrashekhar. - Sarabani Sarkar vedic astrology Monday, March 17, 2003 11:43 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Dear Swee, All jewellers in India, whether upper crust Delhi ones or small, local jewellers, use both rati and carats. When speaking in vernacular, rati is used. Indian astrologers almost always prescribe stones in rati weight. Seeing you and Gauranga to be foreigners, the jeweller would have referred to carats, assuming you would not know of ratis. And in the realm of international trade, Indians use carats to be at par with the standardization required for international markets. So like most things in India, the traditional and the modern exist at parallel levels and are used simultaneously. Best regards, Sarbani Swee Chan [swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm]Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:41 AMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Lest we forget, gems were originally worn by royalty. So to emulate them we mere mortals follow suit J In order to bring gems in jyotish to International standards, we will have to follow what the International Gems Industry use: as carat weights. Agree? Best wishes, 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:19 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis Dear Swee, Delhi jewellers cater to the upper crust of Indian society. Even ther had you asked them to give gems by ratti weight , surely you would have received them. You can confirm from other astrologers and jewellers, in India, whether even today astrologers are recommending gems by Ratti weight or not. You can ask Sanjayji if you like. Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan vedic astrology Monday, March 17, 2003 1:10 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, The jeweller Gauranga Das and I went to in Delhi priced and weighed out gems in carats. Best wishes, 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-begin'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-end'> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:07 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis Dear Swee, I was wrong weight of Carob seed is 181 mg.I think we were posting on the weight equivalent of Ratti or rutti, which a weight measure used in India for Gems other than Diamonds even now. Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan Vedic-Astrology Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:01 PM FW: [vedic astrology] Rattis Swee Chan [swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm]Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:59 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Dear Swee, In the details inserted, it is clearly mentioned that it is seed of a leguminousclimber. It is probably called Carob Seed in English. It is called as "Gunja" in Marathi language. It is lustrous red and hard and surprisingly with hardly any variation in weight. I think it is 1.81gm.s or so. So rice grain does not come into picture at all. Chandrashekhar. If you’ve read my earlier mails concerning weights, Garuda Purana says to base it on Tandulas=rice grains (in the slokas relating to diamond). On the issue of weights based on the Gunja/Carob berry @ 1.81 gms/berry = 9.05 carats! So this does not make sense, does it? The literature from Garuda Purana is according to Sanjayji’s instructions, so I will not deviate from there. Hoping to have informed you. Best wishes, Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net www.brihaspati.net - Swee Chan vedic astrology Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:16 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Rattis Jaya Jagannatha Dear Chadrashekhar, Thank you for the article. The problem we have is to weigh out which rice grain? Basmati or medium rice grain? It would make sense to weigh out the medium rice grain, as this is available throughout the seasons/year. Short grain is not considered by me, as I reckon it is eaten during winter season only. I hope this makes more sense now and I would go with the formula I have given for now. Best wishes, 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-begin'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-end'> Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:57 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis If I amy add, this is what I foond about Ratti. none"> height:.75pt"> color:black">RUSSUD to RUTTEE RUSSUD, s. Pers. rasad. The provisions of grain, forage, and other necessaries got ready by the local officers at the camping ground of a military force or official cortège. The vernacular word has some other technical meanings (see Wilson), but this is its meaning in an Anglo-Indian mouth. mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">[c. 1640螞.;—Rasad. (See under TANA.) RUT, s. Hind. rath, ‘a; chariot.’ Now applied to a native carriage drawn by a pony, or oxen, and used by women on a journey. Also applied to the car in which idols are carried forth on festival days. [see ROOK.] [1810蝽.;—“Tippoo;’s; Aumil…wanted; iron, and determined to supply himself from the rut, (a temple of carved wood fixed on wheels, drawn in procession on public occasions, and requiring many thousand persons to effect its movement).”—Wilks, Sketches, Madras reprint, ii. 281. [1813.—“In; this camp hackeries and ruths, as they are called when they have four wheels, are always drawn by bullocks, and are used, almost exclusively, by the Baees, the Nach girls, and the bankers.”—Broughton, Letters, ed. 1892, p. 117.] 1829.—“This; being the case I took the liberty of taking the rut and horse to camp as prize property.”—Mem. of John Shipp, ii. 183. windowtext"> RUTTEE, RETTEE, s. Hind. ratti, rati, Skt. raktika, from rakta, ‘red.;’ The seed of a leguminous creeper (Abrus precatorius, L.) sometimes called country liquorice—a; pretty scarlet pea with a black spot—used; from time immemorial in India as a goldsmith’s; weight, and known in England as ‘Crab;’s; eyes.’ Mr. Thomas has shown that the ancient ratti may be taken as equal to 1·75 grs. Troy (Numismata Orientalia, New ed., Pt. I. pp. 12蝺). This work of Mr. Thomas’s; contains interesting information regarding the old Indian custom of basing standard weights upon the weight of seeds, and we borrow from his paper the following extract from Manu (viii. 132): “The; very small mote which may be discerned in a sunbeam passing through a lattice is the first of quantities, and men call it a trasarenu. 133. Eight of these trasarenus are supposed equal in weight to one minute poppy-seed (likhyá), three of those seeds are equal to one black mustard - seed (raja - sarshapa), and three of these last to a white mustard-seed (gaura-sarshapa). 134. Six white mustard-seeds are equal to a middle-sized barley-corn (yava), three such barley-corns to one krishnala (or raktika), five krishnalas of gold are one másha, and sixteen such máshas one italic">suvarna,” &ampampc.; (ibid. p. 13). In the Ain, Abul Fazl calls the ratti surkh, which is a translation (Pers. for ‘red;’). In Persia the seed is called chashm-i-khurus, ‘Cock;’s; eye’ (see Blochmann’s; E.T., i. 16 n., and Jarrett, ii. 354). Further notices of the rati used as a weight for precious stones will be found in Sir W. Elliot’s; Coins of Madras (p. 49). Sir Walter’s; experience is that the rati of the gem-dealers is a double rati, and an approximation to the manjadi (see MANGELIN). This accounts for Tavernier’s; valuation at 3½ grs. [Mr. Ball gives the weight at 2·66 Troy grs. (Tavernier, ii. 448).] mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in">c. 1676.—“At; the mine of Soumelpour in Bengala, they weigh by Rati’s;, and the Rati is seven eighths of a Carat, or three grains and a half.”—Tavernier, E.T. ii. 140; [ed. Ball, ii. 89]. windowtext"> height:.75pt"> none"> height:.75pt"> mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in"> Previous chapter Back Home Email this mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Search windowtext"> Discuss windowtext"> Bookmark windowtext"> Next chapter height:.75pt"> Copyright: All texts on Bibliomania are © Bibliomania.com Ltd, and may not be reproduced in any form without our written permission. See our FAQ for more details. color:black">This is what I found about ratti on web. The page cannot be copied in part so I am sending entire text. Chandrashekhar. margin-left:159.0pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">----- Original Message ----- margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> Gauranga Das margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> margin-left:119.25pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:159.0pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">vedic astrology color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:159.0pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Friday, March 14, 2003 1:23 PM margin-left:159.0pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Re: [vedic astrology] Rattis margin-left:159.0pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> margin-left:159.0pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">JAYA JAGANNATHA! "Courier New";color:black"> Dear Chandramukha, Hare Krishna. Of course Swee is the gemstone expert, so we are interested to hear her defrinition of Ratti. But as far as I remember from our cdiscussion, different measures are taken as one Ratti, there is small Ratti and big Ratti also. However our conclusion was that one Ratti more or less equals one carate, i.e. 0.2 gms. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 > -=Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya Namah=- > > Dear Jyoptisha, > > Please explain, how many carat in rattis? There are many different > opinions on this account. In VRA there is a description of stones and > how many rattis the stone should be taken for each stone. > > -- > Best regards, > Chandramukha das > > > > > > > > > ....... 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