Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Dear Rampriya, My Asc is Leo. Mars being lord of 4th and 9th is a Yogakarka. Is it also Badhka because it is lord of 9th (Leo being a fixed sign)? Regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Yes Ramesh, I'm afraid it is so. But I've heard astrologers opine that this dictum is to be toned down quite a bit for Le and Aq natives. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Ramesh F. Gangaramani vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 2:22 PM [vedic astrology] Badhaka Dear Rampriya, My Asc is Leo. Mars being lord of 4th and 9th is a Yogakarka. Is it also Badhka because it is lord of 9th (Leo being a fixed sign)? Regards Ramesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Dear Ramapriya,Gurus and learned astrologers, For quite a while I have been reading on the list about Badhaka Planets. if I remember right jatakaPaarijaat, when indicating Badhaka Grahas(Plantes), states that the Planet has also to be owner of Khar or Mandi"Khareshmaandisthita raasinathaa". So could someone clarify as to why planets in 11th,9th and 7th for Chara,Sthir and Dual Rasis in that order are being termed as Badhakas? Chandrashekhar. - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:05 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Badhaka Yes Ramesh, I'm afraid it is so. But I've heard astrologers opine that this dictum is to be toned down quite a bit for Le and Aq natives. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Ramesh F. Gangaramani vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 2:22 PM [vedic astrology] Badhaka Dear Rampriya, My Asc is Leo. Mars being lord of 4th and 9th is a Yogakarka. Is it also Badhka because it is lord of 9th (Leo being a fixed sign)? Regards RameshArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Dear Visti, Thank you for the info.I have sagitarius ascendant and Sat, Rahu, Mars in 7th house but their Dashas and transits have not yet given me any problems I am 58 yr.s of age.Why would this be so? Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:59 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Badhaka Hare Rama Krsna Dear Chandrashekhar, In Sarvatha Chintamani its written that planets who ALSO lord Mandi's sign or are a kharesh, become evil. I have found excellent results by just using the Badhaka's as they are. They become more evil is more afflicted offcourse. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 7:57 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Badhaka Dear Ramapriya,Gurus and learned astrologers, For quite a while I have been reading on the list about Badhaka Planets. if I remember right jatakaPaarijaat, when indicating Badhaka Grahas(Plantes), states that the Planet has also to be owner of Khar or Mandi"Khareshmaandisthita raasinathaa". So could someone clarify as to why planets in 11th,9th and 7th for Chara,Sthir and Dual Rasis in that order are being termed as Badhakas? Chandrashekhar. - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:05 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Badhaka Yes Ramesh, I'm afraid it is so. But I've heard astrologers opine that this dictum is to be toned down quite a bit for Le and Aq natives. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Ramesh F. Gangaramani vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 2:22 PM [vedic astrology] Badhaka Dear Rampriya, My Asc is Leo. Mars being lord of 4th and 9th is a Yogakarka. Is it also Badhka because it is lord of 9th (Leo being a fixed sign)? Regards RameshArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Dear Rampriya, It looks like a system problem - a term often used when one cant identify the cause . Good wishes Ramesh - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:24 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Badhaka Is this the season of repetitive posts or what? Over the past 48 hours, I must've had at least 2 dozen mails that are a repeat of earlier messages. What's up with you guys?? - Ramesh F. Gangaramani vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 2:22 PM [vedic astrology] Badhaka Dear Rampriya, My Asc is Leo. Mars being lord of 4th and 9th is a Yogakarka. Is it also Badhka because it is lord of 9th (Leo being a fixed sign)? Regards Ramesh Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 I think I know why... Something changed with in the last few days. If you accidentally hit the "Reply All" button (instead of just "Reply") , you now send 2 copies of the message to the list. ajit - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:24 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Badhaka Is this the season of repetitive posts or what? Over the past 48 hours, I must've had at least 2 dozen mails that are a repeat of earlier messages. What's up with you guys?? - Ramesh F. Gangaramani vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 2:22 PM [vedic astrology] Badhaka Dear Rampriya, My Asc is Leo. Mars being lord of 4th and 9th is a Yogakarka. Is it also Badhka because it is lord of 9th (Leo being a fixed sign)? Regards Ramesh Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Namaste, Would you please illustrate how to (and at which stage) Badhaka rule should apply. I mean the extent of this intervention parameter during analysis, and results that it yields in general. Does Badkaka has some link with Argala? It will be quite helpful if you explain Badhaka predictive methodology by taking on any chart. Regards IMRAN walkurk <walkurk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Anna, Sarajit and other members,Sarajit, you wrote:>Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I >don't know the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the >method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular.The both methods of reckoning are valuable in my humble opinion. S.Rath writes on p. 141 of his Jaimini Upadesa Sutras: "there are two schools in determining the eighth house for use in the Ayur stanzas". On the pages 189 and 190 he employs the basis of Vriddha Karika for finding the rudra.I prefer that basis of reckoning. It works well in Shoola Dasa and I find it working surprisingly well with Vimshottari Bukhti too. Best regardsWaldemar--- In vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote:> Jaya Jagannath> Dear Anna,> > The answers are below the relevant questions> ----- Original Message ----- > j.b > vedic astrology > Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:52 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Rudra/ Badhakesh> > > Dear Sarajit, > > Would you please clarify this for me: > > Narasimha wrote in his book that Rudra is lord of 8th from lagna or 7th house/depending on strenght/ > > Table for finding 8th house provides position of 8th house depending on whether Lagna /or 7th are even or odd signs. > > So, for Cn Lagna, for example, candidates for Rudra may be either Jupiter or Mercury, whichever is stronger. > > Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I don't know the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular. So you have to find the stronger between the 2nd and 8th lord from Cancer. They happen to be Sun and Sat/ Rahu.> > Jyotishi,say that Rudra planet is Saturn- for Cn lagna > > Sarajit: Find the stronger of Sat/ Rahu or Sun for the rudra. Mind it if a planet is debilitated and afflicted by malefics, it is more likely to bring death than an exalted planet or unafflicted ones. Use your judgement. Giving your chart shall be helpful.> > So far on the List I haven't noticed this issue discussed in this respect - based on 8th house determination > > Sarajit: This is given in USMJ also. Find the examples given there and also the COVA.> > /Saturn's maraka status is clear to me/ > > Sarajit: Saturn might not be a maraka if well placed and aspected by benefics, in Shoola dasa. However in Vimshottari it can be a maraka. In vimshottari also the 2nd lord is a stronger maraka than the 7th lord. However you have to look for the more afflicted ones.> > What would be further implications of that, if any?> > 2/Some mention Moon as Badakesh for Taurus Lagna- in addition to Saurn, or? Would you please share your opinion on this, as well?> > Sarajit: The badhakesh are the lords of 11th, 9th and 7th for Movable, Fixed and Dual signs respectively. Thus for Taurus Lagna, which is a fixed sign, the badhakesh is the 9th lord, i.e., Saturn.> > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > > > I would appreciate your response.> > Thank you.> > Anna> > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannath> Dear Ponti,> > Well, both can coexist. The planets in the Upachayas causes the growth > of the house from where they are placed. So if planets are placed in > the Upachayas from the Lagna, then it causes growth of Lagna, through > Valour (3rd), Service/ hardwork (6th), Dedication at work (10th) and > Incomes/ gains (11th). > > 6th is the only house, which is a Upachaya, Dusthana and a Trisadaya. > If a planet is placed there, it will help the lagna grow, however, the > signification as well as the houses owned by the planet shall suffer. > Thus if 9th lord Jup is placed in 6th, the children/ father can suffer, > but the native shall be helped by the same Jupiter.> > However the houses 3/6/11 are also called the Trisadayas and the lords > of these houses are Evils. If these lords own kendra or kona, then > their association with other kona/ Kendra lords doesnot give rajayoga.> > > > I guess you need to think on these lines to reconcile the differences.> > Best wishes> Sarajit> > > > Dear Gurus,> > Upachaya house is considered as a house of gains/growth and dusthanas > > as a house of obstacles. 6th house falls into both.> > So how do we analyse the results of 6th house from lagna (or from any > > other house under consideration)?> > Thank you> > Ponti> > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-> ->> > Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty > Dollars for Trying!> > http://us.click./yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/.8XolB/TM> > ---> ~->> > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Jaya JagannathDear Imran, Assalamu Alaikum! Badhaka is the one which brings obstacles and from the house where it is placed. The lord of the badhaka sthana is called the badhakesh (Badhaka+Isha= Obsturction +Lord) or the lord of obstruction. It is said that the troubles comes as you have not given enough as compared to what you have taken from the world. Thus if badhaka is placed in the 12th house, it shows that you are giving him (now 12th house is the house of giving and hence rules expenses). During the dasa of the badhakesh or the planets in kendra to it, the person has to live his own land and go to foriegn land. Even though going to foreign land is a better proposition to many of us, it is not seen with mostly with contempt, as we shall be away from our home and family. Opinions can differ however!. In the rasi chart, the placement of the badhakesh shall show that what areas you have not given enough, if it is in the 9th house, then you have not worshipped enough, if placed in the 7th house, you have not given your time to spouse, in 6th you have not given your service to others so on and so forth. Thus the badhakesh tends to deny the significations of a house and cause disharmony. The moment you start giving you shall see that the badha / obstacles are vanishing. Now the badhaka sthana is also not a good place for a planet to be in. Now the planets placed in the Badhaka sthana shall give obtacles, based on its karakatva and lordhship. Thus if the Sun being the 10th lord is in badhaka sthana, the father might face tremendous obstacles or you might face obstacles at job/ for job etc. These planets can give disease which is of the nature of black majic etc. and cannot be diagnosable (we call them adrista - Invisible, agantuka - caused by others). Thus in a disease giving combination, if the badhaka sthana or badhakesh is involved you need to be very careful. In Hinduism traditions, we worship Ganesha, an aspect of divinity, who is known for removal of odstacles. I guess in Islam, there would be someone, who represent this aspect of divinity. Worshipping Allah with all hearts and helping others with donations etc. can cause removal of such obstacles. Now Ramadan is one such month, where you can always do such donations. Jaimini has given dictums from which the placement of the badhakas can be deciphered in the Navamsa in the initial chapters. I am not giving those dictums. I feel, there is no substitute to self study and hard work :-). Please go through them and see how well they manifest. The worst case of badhaka sthana is placement of Rahu there! Best Wishes Sarajit - Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:41 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Badhaka Dear Sarajit, Walkurk and Friends, Namaste, Would you please illustrate how to (and at which stage) Badhaka rule should apply. I mean the extent of this intervention parameter during analysis, and results that it yields in general. Does Badkaka has some link with Argala? It will be quite helpful if you explain Badhaka predictive methodology by taking on any chart. Regards IMRAN walkurk <walkurk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Anna, Sarajit and other members,Sarajit, you wrote:>Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I >don't know the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the >method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular.The both methods of reckoning are valuable in my humble opinion. S.Rath writes on p. 141 of his Jaimini Upadesa Sutras: "there are two schools in determining the eighth house for use in the Ayur stanzas". On the pages 189 and 190 he employs the basis of Vriddha Karika for finding the rudra.I prefer that basis of reckoning. It works well in Shoola Dasa and I find it working surprisingly well with Vimshottari Bukhti too. Best regardsWaldemarvedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote:> Jaya Jagannath> Dear Anna,> > The answers are below the relevant questions> - > j.b > vedic astrology > Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:52 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Rudra/ Badhakesh> > > Dear Sarajit, > > Would you please clarify this for me: > > Narasimha wrote in his book that Rudra is lord of 8th from lagna or 7th house/depending on strenght/ > > Table for finding 8th house provides position of 8th house depending on whether Lagna /or 7th are even or odd signs. > > So, for Cn Lagna, for example, candidates for Rudra may be either Jupiter or Mercury, whichever is stronger. > > Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I don't know the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular. So you have to find the stronger between the 2nd and 8th lord from Cancer. They happen to be Sun and Sat/ Rahu.> > Jyotishi,say that Rudra planet is Saturn- for Cn lagna > > Sarajit: Find the stronger of Sat/ Rahu or Sun for the rudra. Mind it if a planet is debilitated and afflicted by malefics, it is more likely to bring death than an exalted planet or unafflicted ones. Use your judgement. Giving your chart shall be helpful.> > So far on the List I haven't noticed this issue discussed in this respect - based on 8th house determination > > Sarajit: This is given in USMJ also. Find the examples given there and also the COVA.> > /Saturn's maraka status is clear to me/ > > Sarajit: Saturn might not be a maraka if well placed and aspected by benefics, in Shoola dasa. However in Vimshottari it can be a maraka. In vimshottari also the 2nd lord is a stronger maraka than the 7th lord. However you have to look for the more afflicted ones.> > What would be further implications of that, if any?> > 2/Some mention Moon as Badakesh for Taurus Lagna- in addition to Saurn, or? Would you please share your opinion on this, as well?> > Sarajit: The badhakesh are the lords of 11th, 9th and 7th for Movable, Fixed and Dual signs respectively. Thus for Taurus Lagna, which is a fixed sign, the badhakesh is the 9th lord, i.e., Saturn.> > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > > > I would appreciate your response.> > Thank you.> > Anna> > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannath> Dear Ponti,> > Well, both can coexist. The planets in the Upachayas causes the growth > of the house from where they are placed. So if planets are placed in > the Upachayas from the Lagna, then it causes growth of Lagna, through > Valour (3rd), Service/ hardwork (6th), Dedication at work (10th) and > Incomes/ gains (11th). > > 6th is the only house, which is a Upachaya, Dusthana and a Trisadaya. > If a planet is placed there, it will help the lagna grow, however, the > signification as well as the houses owned by the planet shall suffer. > Thus if 9th lord Jup is placed in 6th, the children/ father can suffer, > but the native shall be helped by the same Jupiter.> > However the houses 3/6/11 are also called the Trisadayas and the lords > of these houses are Evils. If these lords own kendra or kona, then > their association with other kona/ Kendra lords doesnot give rajayoga.> > > > I guess you need to think on these lines to reconcile the differences.> > Best wishes> Sarajit> > > > Dear Gurus,> > Upachaya house is considered as a house of gains/growth and dusthanas > > as a house of obstacles. 6th house falls into both.> > So how do we analyse the results of 6th house from lagna (or from any > > other house under consideration)?> > Thank you> > Ponti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 Could you please let me know what would be the result if the Bhadhak sthana for Virgo Lagna the 7th house is occupied by Jupitor the Lord of that house? Regards, Sadashiv. Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Jaya JagannathDear Imran, Assalamu Alaikum! Badhaka is the one which brings obstacles and from the house where it is placed. The lord of the badhaka sthana is called the badhakesh (Badhaka+Isha= Obsturction +Lord) or the lord of obstruction. It is said that the troubles comes as you have not given enough as compared to what you have taken from the world. Thus if badhaka is placed in the 12th house, it shows that you are giving him (now 12th house is the house of giving and hence rules expenses). During the dasa of the badhakesh or the planets in kendra to it, the person has to live his own land and go to foriegn land. Even though going to foreign land is a better proposition to many of us, it is not seen with mostly with contempt, as we shall be away from our home and family. Opinions can differ however!. In the rasi chart, the placement of the badhakesh shall show that what areas you have not given enough, if it is in the 9th house, then you have not worshipped enough, if placed in the 7th house, you have not given your time to spouse, in 6th you have not given your service to others so on and so forth. Thus the badhakesh tends to deny the significations of a house and cause disharmony. The moment you start giving you shall see that the badha / obstacles are vanishing. Now the badhaka sthana is also not a good place for a planet to be in. Now the planets placed in the Badhaka sthana shall give obtacles, based on its karakatva and lordhship. Thus if the Sun being the 10th lord is in badhaka sthana, the father might face tremendous obstacles or you might face obstacles at job/ for job etc. These planets can give disease which is of the nature of black majic etc. and cannot be diagnosable (we call them adrista - Invisible, agantuka - caused by others). Thus in a disease giving combination, if the badhaka sthana or badhakesh is involved you need to be very careful. In Hinduism traditions, we worship Ganesha, an aspect of divinity, who is known for removal of odstacles. I guess in Islam, there would be someone, who represent this aspect of divinity. Worshipping Allah with all hearts and helping others with donations etc. can cause removal of such obstacles. Now Ramadan is one such month, where you can always do such donations. Jaimini has given dictums from which the placement of the badhakas can be deciphered in the Navamsa in the initial chapters. I am not giving those dictums. I feel, there is no substitute to self study and hard work :-). Please go through them and see how well they manifest. The worst case of badhaka sthana is placement of Rahu there! Best Wishes Sarajit - Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:41 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Badhaka Dear Sarajit, Walkurk and Friends, Namaste, Would you please illustrate how to (and at which stage) Badhaka rule should apply. I mean the extent of this intervention parameter during analysis, and results that it yields in general. Does Badkaka has some link with Argala? It will be quite helpful if you explain Badhaka predictive methodology by taking on any chart. Regards IMRAN walkurk <walkurk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Anna, Sarajit and other members,Sarajit, you wrote:>Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I >don't know the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the >method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular.The both methods of reckoning are valuable in my humble opinion. S.Rath writes on p. 141 of his Jaimini Upadesa Sutras: "there are two schools in determining the eighth house for use in the Ayur stanzas". On the pages 189 and 190 he employs the basis of Vriddha Karika for finding the rudra.I prefer that basis of reckoning. It works well in Shoola Dasa and I find it working surprisingly well with Vimshottari Bukhti too. Best regardsWaldemar--- In vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote:> Jaya Jagannath> Dear Anna,> > The answers are below the relevant questions> ----- Original Message ----- > j.b > vedic astrology > Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:52 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Rudra/ Badhakesh> > > Dear Sarajit, > > Would you please clarify this for me: > > Narasimha wrote in his book that Rudra is lord of 8th from lagna or 7th house/depending on strenght/ > > Table for finding 8th house provides position of 8th house depending on whether Lagna /or 7th are even or odd signs. > > So, for Cn Lagna, for example, candidates for Rudra may be either Jupiter or Mercury, whichever is stronger. > > Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I don't know the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular. So you have to find the stronger between the 2nd and 8th lord from Cancer. They happen to be Sun and Sat/ Rahu.> > Jyotishi,say that Rudra planet is Saturn- for Cn lagna > > Sarajit: Find the stronger of Sat/ Rahu or Sun for the rudra. Mind it if a planet is debilitated and afflicted by malefics, it is more likely to bring death than an exalted planet or unafflicted ones. Use your judgement. Giving your chart shall be helpful.> > So far on the List I haven't noticed this issue discussed in this respect - based on 8th house determination > > Sarajit: This is given in USMJ also. Find the examples given there and also the COVA.> > /Saturn's maraka status is clear to me/ > > Sarajit: Saturn might not be a maraka if well placed and aspected by benefics, in Shoola dasa. However in Vimshottari it can be a maraka. In vimshottari also the 2nd lord is a stronger maraka than the 7th lord. However you have to look for the more afflicted ones.> > What would be further implications of that, if any?> > 2/Some mention Moon as Badakesh for Taurus Lagna- in addition to Saurn, or? Would you please share your opinion on this, as well?> > Sarajit: The badhakesh are the lords of 11th, 9th and 7th for Movable, Fixed and Dual signs respectively. Thus for Taurus Lagna, which is a fixed sign, the badhakesh is the 9th lord, i.e., Saturn.> > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > > > I would appreciate your response.> > Thank you.> > Anna> > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannath> Dear Ponti,> > Well, both can coexist. The planets in the Upachayas causes the growth > of the house from where they are placed. So if planets are placed in > the Upachayas from the Lagna, then it causes growth of Lagna, through > Valour (3rd), Service/ hardwork (6th), Dedication at work (10th) and > Incomes/ gains (11th). > > 6th is the only house, which is a Upachaya, Dusthana and a Trisadaya. > If a planet is placed there, it will help the lagna grow, however, the > signification as well as the houses owned by the planet shall suffer. > Thus if 9th lord Jup is placed in 6th, the children/ father can suffer, > but the native shall be helped by the same Jupiter.> > However the houses 3/6/11 are also called the Trisadayas and the lords > of these houses are Evils. If these lords own kendra or kona, then > their association with other kona/ Kendra lords doesnot give rajayoga.> > > > I guess you need to think on these lines to reconcile the differences.> > Best wishes> Sarajit> > > > Dear Gurus,> > Upachaya house is considered as a house of gains/growth and dusthanas > > as a house of obstacles. 6th house falls into both.> > So how do we analyse the results of 6th house from lagna (or from any > > other house under consideration)?> > Thank you> > PontiArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Do you ? Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 Jaya JagannathDear Imran, Salaam, The replies follows your queries... - Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:39 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Badhaka Dear Sarajit, Thanks alot for nice explaination. What I've taken to you is that, Badhaka and badhakesh cause intervention in the matters related to their bhavas. All Moveable signs have Badhaka on 11th house, Fixed signs have badhaka on 9th house, while Dual signs have on 7th house (am I right or not?). Thus these houses and their lords perform a role of obstructing factors for the significators of relevent house. Sarajit: This absolutely correct. Will you please illustrate how we study Badhaka effects on the following chart, so that I can fully understand how to use Badhaka. By the way its not my chart (as the people generally wants to know about himselves) but it belongs to one of my best friend (29 July 1977 at 9:20 pm Karachi, 5:00 east of GMT) who have died at an early age of just 24 years due to rheumatism. He was a very good Palmist as his father did. Sarajit: The badhaka house for him is Libra and the lord Venus becomes the Badhakesh. The badhakesh is placed in the 5th house with Jupiter the 3rd and 11th lord. Even though this placement is good as placement of these natural benefics shall be good for the children, who will be very well natured and well behaved and shall have good name and fame (which didn't happen as he didn't reach that stage), this yoga is good for knowledge, mostly the spiritual one and self development, however as Venus is the badhaka, its placement in this house shall make him very restless and unable to settle in anything. This is because, 5th house is the house of "Chitta", or inner harmony. Placement of Badhaka there can cuase disturbances within. Here the badhaka is placed with Jupiter, the karaka of progeny and intelligence, which might cause him suffer depression or such conditions, without any apparant reason. This particular yoga would have given him very good intuition too, however, if the blemish were not there, then he would have been very peaceful in disposition. Let me comment on something which you didn't ask. You said he suffered from Rheumatism. Now lets see why did it happen! Sun is the karaka for bones and it has the responsibility to protect them. Now Sun is placed in the 6th house of diseases and with its greatest enemy Saturn. Saturn causes problems whenever it afflicts Sun as under such cases, he wouldn't let the significations of Sun to prosper. Now in the 6th house, Saturn is very strong as it is the Karaka for that house. This particular combination would have affected him near the region of pelvis as 6th house represent that region and also Sun is the lord of 7th, the region near the private parts. The subhakartari yoga would have tried to mitigate the problem, but Venus being the badhaka on one side, would have made more and more depressed because of this. This is a very tricky case as the Lagnalord is Saturn and is placed with the Karaka Sun, the giver of good health, this would have shown recovery too, however their placement in the 6th is not condusive to that. This is further placed in the 8th from AL, showing the cause of death is related to this. This combination also aspects the 3rd from AL. Moreover when Lagna lord becomes the AK, it becomes very trying for the native. Best Wishes Sarajit +----------------------+| | | | || BL | | Mnd | Ven || | Glk | | || Ket | | Mar | Jup || | | | ||-------------|---------------------------|-------------|| | | || | | Sun || Asc | | || | | Sat || | | ||-------------| R A S I |-------------|| | | || | | || Moo | | Mer || | | || | | ||-------------|---------------------------|-------------|| | | | || | | | GL || | | HL | || | | | Rah || | | | |+----------------------+ Hope to read you soon. IMRAN Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Jaya JagannathDear Imran, Assalamu Alaikum! Badhaka is the one which brings obstacles and from the house where it is placed. The lord of the badhaka sthana is called the badhakesh (Badhaka+Isha= Obsturction +Lord) or the lord of obstruction. It is said that the troubles comes as you have not given enough as compared to what you have taken from the world. Thus if badhaka is placed in the 12th house, it shows that you are giving him (now 12th house is the house of giving and hence rules expenses). During the dasa of the badhakesh or the planets in kendra to it, the person has to live his own land and go to foriegn land. Even though going to foreign land is a better proposition to many of us, it is not seen with mostly with contempt, as we shall be away from our home and family. Opinions can differ however!. In the rasi chart, the placement of the badhakesh shall show that what areas you have not given enough, if it is in the 9th house, then you have not worshipped enough, if placed in the 7th house, you have not given your time to spouse, in 6th you have not given your service to others so on and so forth. Thus the badhakesh tends to deny the significations of a house and cause disharmony. The moment you start giving you shall see that the badha / obstacles are vanishing. Now the badhaka sthana is also not a good place for a planet to be in. Now the planets placed in the Badhaka sthana shall give obtacles, based on its karakatva and lordhship. Thus if the Sun being the 10th lord is in badhaka sthana, the father might face tremendous obstacles or you might face obstacles at job/ for job etc. These planets can give disease which is of the nature of black majic etc. and cannot be diagnosable (we call them adrista - Invisible, agantuka - caused by others). Thus in a disease giving combination, if the badhaka sthana or badhakesh is involved you need to be very careful. In Hinduism traditions, we worship Ganesha, an aspect of divinity, who is known for removal of odstacles. I guess in Islam, there would be someone, who represent this aspect of divinity. Worshipping Allah with all hearts and helping others with donations etc. can cause removal of such obstacles. Now Ramadan is one such month, where you can always do such donations. Jaimini has given dictums from which the placement of the badhakas can be deciphered in the Navamsa in the initial chapters. I am not giving those dictums. I feel, there is no substitute to self study and hard work :-). Please go through them and see how well they manifest. The worst case of badhaka sthana is placement of Rahu there! Best Wishes Sarajit - Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:41 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Badhaka Dear Sarajit, Walkurk and Friends, Namaste, Would you please illustrate how to (and at which stage) Badhaka rule should apply. I mean the extent of this intervention parameter during analysis, and results that it yields in general. Does Badkaka has some link with Argala? It will be quite helpful if you explain Badhaka predictive methodology by taking on any chart. Regards IMRAN walkurk <walkurk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Anna, Sarajit and other members,Sarajit, you wrote:>Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I >don't know the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the >method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular.The both methods of reckoning are valuable in my humble opinion. S.Rath writes on p. 141 of his Jaimini Upadesa Sutras: "there are two schools in determining the eighth house for use in the Ayur stanzas". On the pages 189 and 190 he employs the basis of Vriddha Karika for finding the rudra.I prefer that basis of reckoning. It works well in Shoola Dasa and I find it working surprisingly well with Vimshottari Bukhti too. Best regardsWaldemar--- In vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote:> Jaya Jagannath> Dear Anna,> > The answers are below the relevant questions> ----- Original Message ----- > j.b > vedic astrology > Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:52 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Rudra/ Badhakesh> > > Dear Sarajit, > > Would you please clarify this for me: > > Narasimha wrote in his book that Rudra is lord of 8th from lagna or 7th house/depending on strenght/ > > Table for finding 8th house provides position of 8th house depending on whether Lagna /or 7th are even or odd signs. > > So, for Cn Lagna, for example, candidates for Rudra may be either Jupiter or Mercury, whichever is stronger. > > Sarajit: The 8th house reckoning which you have mentioned is based on Vriddha Karika (I don't know the english term) and should only be used for finding the longevity quarter in the method of three pairs. However for finding the rudra, the reckoning is regular. So you have to find the stronger between the 2nd and 8th lord from Cancer. They happen to be Sun and Sat/ Rahu.> > Jyotishi,say that Rudra planet is Saturn- for Cn lagna > > Sarajit: Find the stronger of Sat/ Rahu or Sun for the rudra. Mind it if a planet is debilitated and afflicted by malefics, it is more likely to bring death than an exalted planet or unafflicted ones. Use your judgement. Giving your chart shall be helpful.> > So far on the List I haven't noticed this issue discussed in this respect - based on 8th house determination > > Sarajit: This is given in USMJ also. Find the examples given there and also the COVA.> > /Saturn's maraka status is clear to me/ > > Sarajit: Saturn might not be a maraka if well placed and aspected by benefics, in Shoola dasa. However in Vimshottari it can be a maraka. In vimshottari also the 2nd lord is a stronger maraka than the 7th lord. However you have to look for the more afflicted ones.> > What would be further implications of that, if any?> > 2/Some mention Moon as Badakesh for Taurus Lagna- in addition to Saurn, or? Would you please share your opinion on this, as well?> > Sarajit: The badhakesh are the lords of 11th, 9th and 7th for Movable, Fixed and Dual signs respectively. Thus for Taurus Lagna, which is a fixed sign, the badhakesh is the 9th lord, i.e., Saturn.> > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > > > I would appreciate your response.> > Thank you.> > Anna> > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannath> Dear Ponti,> > Well, both can coexist. The planets in the Upachayas causes the growth > of the house from where they are placed. So if planets are placed in > the Upachayas from the Lagna, then it causes growth of Lagna, through > Valour (3rd), Service/ hardwork (6th), Dedication at work (10th) and > Incomes/ gains (11th). > > 6th is the only house, which is a Upachaya, Dusthana and a Trisadaya. > If a planet is placed there, it will help the lagna grow, however, the > signification as well as the houses owned by the planet shall suffer. > Thus if 9th lord Jup is placed in 6th, the children/ father can suffer, > but the native shall be helped by the same Jupiter.> > However the houses 3/6/11 are also called the Trisadayas and the lords > of these houses are Evils. If these lords own kendra or kona, then > their association with other kona/ Kendra lords doesnot give rajayoga.> > > > I guess you need to think on these lines to reconcile the differences.> > Best wishes> Sarajit> > > > Dear Gurus,> > Upachaya house is considered as a house of gains/growth and dusthanas > > as a house of obstacles. 6th house falls into both.> > So how do we analyse the results of 6th house from lagna (or from any > > other house under consideration)?> > Thank you> > PontiArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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