Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:09 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Dear Sarajit, Even I was carrying your opinion on badhaka placement. Until a couple of days ago, when Visti opined otherwise. If you read that post, he says that badhakas are a deity's curse and that only their placement in 12H will cushion their obstruction. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:05 AM [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Rama, If the badhakesh is placed in the 12th house, it need not be in the Bhavasandhi for not obstructing someone's life. Best Wishes Sarajit > > Dear Sarajit, > > Even I was carrying your opinion on badhaka placement. Until a couple of days ago, when Visti opined otherwise. If you read that post, he says that badhakas are a deity's curse and that only their placement in 12H will cushion their obstruction. > > Warm regards, > > Ramapriya > hubli > > - > Sarajit Poddar > vedic astrology > Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:05 AM > [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi > > > Jaya Jagannath > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. > > Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. > > We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! > > Best Regards > Sarajit > > || Jaya Jagannath || Warm Regards Sarajit Poddar Jyotish Guru Sri Jagannath Center _____ Address Unit: #02-111 125, Bedok North Road Singapore Phone: Res:65-62452481 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Hi Sarajit, Y'know how it started? I was thinking that it's best if the badhaka was in marana karaka sthana so that the effects of his badhaka house get destroyed, resulting in there being no badha. Visti apparently thought not and came up with this deity curse thing. Placement in bhava sandhi too should logically be a perfect spot for the badhaka, I agree. Warm regards, Rama hubli - "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit <vedic astrology> Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:16 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi > Jaya Jagannath > Dear Rama, > > If the badhakesh is placed in the 12th house, it need not be in the > Bhavasandhi for not obstructing someone's life. > > Best Wishes > Sarajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Namaste, Badhaka is generally litened during chart analysis. What is it's practical significance i..e how it functions. Moveable, Fixed, and Dual rashis have 11th, 9th and 7th houes with thier lords as Badhaka respectively. (is it right or not? ) How the lords of gain, baghya, and partner can obsruct the phala? Is there any connection between Argala and Badhaka? Regards Imran Ramapriya D <hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote: Hi Sarajit,Y'know how it started? I was thinking that it's best if the badhaka was inmarana karaka sthana so that the effects of his badhaka house get destroyed,resulting in there being no badha. Visti apparently thought not and came upwith this deity curse thing. Placement in bhava sandhi too should logicallybe a perfect spot for the badhaka, I agree.Warm regards,Ramahubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com-"Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org><vedic astrology>Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:16 AMRe: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi> Jaya Jagannath> Dear Rama,>> If the badhakesh is placed in the 12th house, it need not be in the> Bhavasandhi for not obstructing someone's life.>> Best Wishes> SarajitArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || O SERVANT, where dost thou seek Me?Lo! I am beside thee.I am neither in temple nor in mosque: I am neither in Kaaba nor in Kailash:Neither am I in rites and ceremonies, nor in Yoga and renunciation.If thou art a true seeker, thou shalt at once see Me: thou shalt meet Me in a moment of time.Kabîr says, "O Sadhu! God is the breath of all breath." News - Today's headlines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Imran, As you may have noticed only Dharmaraja causes troubles to the dead (sthira). Similarly understand the other states, i.e. moving,dead, recharging. The Badhaka is a very easy predictive tool once learnt. The Badhakesh from Lagna causes obstructions to the natives ideals, goals, etc as well as health. Now say you wanto see the obstructions in meeting your spouse. The 7th lord represents the spouse, whilst the 7th house shows the activity of being with the spouse. Seeing the badhaka to the 7th lord will show the obstructions in meeting ur spouse. The badhak to the 7th house, will show the obstructions in getting married and etc. For the spiritually minded, check the 9th house and 9th lord. badhaka to the 9th lord shows obstructions in meeting the Guru.. worship this graha. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Cc: hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:39 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Dear List, Namaste, Badhaka is generally litened during chart analysis. What is it's practical significance i..e how it functions. Moveable, Fixed, and Dual rashis have 11th, 9th and 7th houes with thier lords as Badhaka respectively. (is it right or not? ) How the lords of gain, baghya, and partner can obsruct the phala? Is there any connection between Argala and Badhaka? Regards Imran Ramapriya D <hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote: Hi Sarajit,Y'know how it started? I was thinking that it's best if the badhaka was inmarana karaka sthana so that the effects of his badhaka house get destroyed,resulting in there being no badha. Visti apparently thought not and came upwith this deity curse thing. Placement in bhava sandhi too should logicallybe a perfect spot for the badhaka, I agree.Warm regards,Ramahubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com-"Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org><vedic astrology>Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:16 AMRe: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi> Jaya Jagannath> Dear Rama,>> If the badhakesh is placed in the 12th house, it need not be in the> Bhavasandhi for not obstructing someone's life.>> Best Wishes> SarajitArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... O SERVANT, where dost thou seek Me?Lo! I am beside thee.I am neither in temple nor in mosque: I am neither in Kaaba nor in Kailash:Neither am I in rites and ceremonies, nor in Yoga and renunciation.If thou art a true seeker, thou shalt at once see Me: thou shalt meet Me in a moment of time.Kabîr says, "O Sadhu! God is the breath of all breath." News - Today's headlines Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:35 AM [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:09 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 This is the closest I have, I think. Jupiter is in the 2nd degree of cancer (not sure what highest point of exaltation is) but is close to bhava sandhi. Jupiter dasa has been pretty OK for him. Nimmi - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:35 AM [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:09 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Dear Sarajit, Could I refer you to shloka 22 of JatakaParijaat which,in effect, says that Ruksha(Rasi) sandhi happens at the end of Cancer ,Scorpio and Pisces that too end of ashlesha jyeshtha and revati.It is also called gandant(Khandaant infact) and its time is 1ghati.If we take this to be the correct meaning of Sandhi then the apparent contraindications of Deep exaltations of Planets with Rasi sandhi based on less degrees irrespective of Rasis disappears.It is said than when there is an apparent ciontradiction in the statements then one should rationalise them(Saamanjasya). Again in the example given by you, I do not understand why should you have a temper because Mars is in 9th with Sun for sagitarius ascendant(By the way I too have sagitarius ascendant). It could give you difference of opinion with father, may be no younger brother,lack of Pitrusukha and could be even matrusukha or diff in opinion etc. but certainly not high temper. Your Mars doesnot aspect Ascendant 2nd or 5th house. Could you let me know why you think Mars in 9th should have given you bad temper? Believe me I really enjoy your posts as you are very knowledgeble and have an even temper befitting a lerned astrologer. Again for a planet to become Badhaka does he not have to be lord of Khar or Mandi?(shloka 22 Jaataka Paarijaata) Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:05 AM [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:09 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Believe me I also have the same regards for you. The disagreements are rather intellectual and not personal. Given a chance, I would like to meet you and we shall as you are coming to SJC Puri conference. Now I understand what JP says on the Gandanta and that the real inauspicious of all the sandhis as this is the sandhi of Jala and Agni. Probably if you have read all the mails of mine, I mentioned this point in one of them, saying that the grahas are most powerless in those Junctions to save its houses. I see there is no disagreement with the Gandanta part. However the same planet whether of not it is powerful to give results of its placement in that house shall be seen from how far from the Bhavamadhya. This is another issue we neednot go into. Now like the Gandanta, the other Rasi Sandhis are also inauspicious and can make the lord weak enough to make them fail to protect their houses. However this happens to a lesser extent. Now why should Mars in the 9th give me temper! The opinion you have is common as Malefics placed in a house tends to damage the indications of the house. Now it is more evident if the planet and the karaka of the house don't go with each other. Lets not go into that. The shapers of the nature is not only the Lagna but also the trines to the lagna as they are saha-dharmi. As we all know most imp of them is the Lagna and placement of the planets there shall show nature and looks. The 5th house is the house of Chitta (inner Harmony) and shall show how much we are at peace within and 9th house is the house of dharma and also show our nature. With Khara, I guess you meant Khara Drekkana (22 Drekkana, 64th Navamsa). Now if they lord them then the badha is unsurpassable. However, even if they are not they shall not cease to prove their troublesome nature unless they are placed in the 12th house. Maharishi Jaimini says that whichever Navamsa the Badhaka is placed the native shall have troubles based on the nature of the sign of the said navamsa. I saw it works in almost all the cases, unless I fail to see other influencing factors. Best Wishes Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:47 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Dear Sarajit, Could I refer you to shloka 22 of JatakaParijaat which,in effect, says that Ruksha(Rasi) sandhi happens at the end of Cancer ,Scorpio and Pisces that too end of ashlesha jyeshtha and revati.It is also called gandant(Khandaant infact) and its time is 1ghati.If we take this to be the correct meaning of Sandhi then the apparent contraindications of Deep exaltations of Planets with Rasi sandhi based on less degrees irrespective of Rasis disappears.It is said than when there is an apparent ciontradiction in the statements then one should rationalise them(Saamanjasya). Again in the example given by you, I do not understand why should you have a temper because Mars is in 9th with Sun for sagitarius ascendant(By the way I too have sagitarius ascendant). It could give you difference of opinion with father, may be no younger brother,lack of Pitrusukha and could be even matrusukha or diff in opinion etc. but certainly not high temper. Your Mars doesnot aspect Ascendant 2nd or 5th house. Could you let me know why you think Mars in 9th should have given you bad temper? Believe me I really enjoy your posts as you are very knowledgeble and have an even temper befitting a lerned astrologer. Again for a planet to become Badhaka does he not have to be lord of Khar or Mandi?(shloka 22 Jaataka Paarijaata) Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:05 AM [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:09 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Nimmi ji and Sarajit ji, Please go through my chart where Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house in Vargothama and in Rasi Sandhi and also in Gandanta in Meena Rasi . I hope this helps for the analysis of Gandantas and Rasi Sandhis.My Guru dasa was really good and I prospered in this Dasa. DOB : 23/03/1952 ,TOB : 03:30 :30 AM ,Long.: 74 E 51' ,Lat.: 12 N 52 ' With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote: This is the closest I have, I think. Jupiter is in the 2nd degree of cancer (not sure what highest point of exaltation is) but is close to bhava sandhi. Jupiter dasa has been pretty OK for him. Nimmi - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:35 AM [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:09 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 Dear Sarajit, I too am looking forward to meet you at Puri.I am certain we shall have a fruitful discussion at that time. I am aware , not all of my views are d to by the learned members. And we agree to hold on to our individual interpretations.But as you rightly said it is only with intelectual discussions that we can hope to achieve a part of the vast knowledge of this divine science of astrology. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:47 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Believe me I also have the same regards for you. The disagreements are rather intellectual and not personal. Given a chance, I would like to meet you and we shall as you are coming to SJC Puri conference. Now I understand what JP says on the Gandanta and that the real inauspicious of all the sandhis as this is the sandhi of Jala and Agni. Probably if you have read all the mails of mine, I mentioned this point in one of them, saying that the grahas are most powerless in those Junctions to save its houses. I see there is no disagreement with the Gandanta part. However the same planet whether of not it is powerful to give results of its placement in that house shall be seen from how far from the Bhavamadhya. This is another issue we neednot go into. Now like the Gandanta, the other Rasi Sandhis are also inauspicious and can make the lord weak enough to make them fail to protect their houses. However this happens to a lesser extent. Now why should Mars in the 9th give me temper! The opinion you have is common as Malefics placed in a house tends to damage the indications of the house. Now it is more evident if the planet and the karaka of the house don't go with each other. Lets not go into that. The shapers of the nature is not only the Lagna but also the trines to the lagna as they are saha-dharmi. As we all know most imp of them is the Lagna and placement of the planets there shall show nature and looks. The 5th house is the house of Chitta (inner Harmony) and shall show how much we are at peace within and 9th house is the house of dharma and also show our nature. With Khara, I guess you meant Khara Drekkana (22 Drekkana, 64th Navamsa). Now if they lord them then the badha is unsurpassable. However, even if they are not they shall not cease to prove their troublesome nature unless they are placed in the 12th house. Maharishi Jaimini says that whichever Navamsa the Badhaka is placed the native shall have troubles based on the nature of the sign of the said navamsa. I saw it works in almost all the cases, unless I fail to see other influencing factors. Best Wishes Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:47 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Dear Sarajit, Could I refer you to shloka 22 of JatakaParijaat which,in effect, says that Ruksha(Rasi) sandhi happens at the end of Cancer ,Scorpio and Pisces that too end of ashlesha jyeshtha and revati.It is also called gandant(Khandaant infact) and its time is 1ghati.If we take this to be the correct meaning of Sandhi then the apparent contraindications of Deep exaltations of Planets with Rasi sandhi based on less degrees irrespective of Rasis disappears.It is said than when there is an apparent ciontradiction in the statements then one should rationalise them(Saamanjasya). Again in the example given by you, I do not understand why should you have a temper because Mars is in 9th with Sun for sagitarius ascendant(By the way I too have sagitarius ascendant). It could give you difference of opinion with father, may be no younger brother,lack of Pitrusukha and could be even matrusukha or diff in opinion etc. but certainly not high temper. Your Mars doesnot aspect Ascendant 2nd or 5th house. Could you let me know why you think Mars in 9th should have given you bad temper? Believe me I really enjoy your posts as you are very knowledgeble and have an even temper befitting a lerned astrologer. Again for a planet to become Badhaka does he not have to be lord of Khar or Mandi?(shloka 22 Jaataka Paarijaata) Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:05 AM [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:09 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 Dear visti, sarajit, I think Ramadas Rao's mail proves my point. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Nimmi ji and Sarajit ji, Please go through my chart where Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house in Vargothama and in Rasi Sandhi and also in Gandanta in Meena Rasi . I hope this helps for the analysis of Gandantas and Rasi Sandhis.My Guru dasa was really good and I prospered in this Dasa. DOB : 23/03/1952 ,TOB : 03:30 :30 AM ,Long.: 74 E 51' ,Lat.: 12 N 52 ' With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote: This is the closest I have, I think. Jupiter is in the 2nd degree of cancer (not sure what highest point of exaltation is) but is close to bhava sandhi. Jupiter dasa has been pretty OK for him. Nimmi - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:35 AM [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:09 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Ramadas and Chandrashekhar +--------------+|Su Me | |AL | ||Ju | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ve Ra | |GL || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||As Mo | |Ke || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||HL |Md Gk |Ma |SaR || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 15 Cp 24' 38.06" Srav 2 Cp TaSun - DK 9 Pi 02' 16.01" UBha 2 Pi ViMoon - AK 29 Cp 46' 14.64" Dhan 2 Cp ViMars - MK 25 Li 14' 36.26" Visa 2 Li TaMercury - BK 26 Pi 21' 49.76" Reva 3 Pi AqJupiter - AmK 27 Pi 58' 04.42" Reva 4 Pi PiVenus - GK 14 Aq 36' 00.19" Sata 3 Aq AqSaturn ® - PK 19 Vi 10' 09.76" Hast 3 Vi GeRahu - PiK 5 Aq 55' 45.73" Dhan 4 Aq ScKetu 5 Le 55' 45.73" Makh 2 Le Ta Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Maha Dasas: Mar: 1948-11-08 (5:38:36 am) - 1955-11-09 (12:48:02 am) Rah: 1955-11-09 (12:48:02 am) - 1973-11-08 (3:31:44 pm) Jup: 1973-11-08 (3:31:44 pm) - 1989-11-08 (5:55:25 pm) Sat: 1989-11-08 (5:55:25 pm) - 2008-11-08 (2:53:52 pm) Mer: 2008-11-08 (2:53:52 pm) - 2025-11-08 (11:25:14 pm) Ket: 2025-11-08 (11:25:14 pm) - 2032-11-08 (6:35:54 pm) Ven: 2032-11-08 (6:35:54 pm) - 2052-11-08 (9:30:51 pm) Sun: 2052-11-08 (9:30:51 pm) - 2058-11-09 (10:31:03 am) Moo: 2058-11-09 (10:31:03 am) - 2068-11-09 (12:00:57 am) In the horoscope, Jupiter is in Gandanta and Moon is in Rasi Sandhi and hence a good chart to study, specifically when you have mentioned that the dasa of the planet has been good. Now when a planet is weak, the dasa of the enemies shall cause the houses of the weak lord to suffer, if the enemy aspects, placed there or in kendra or kona from the house owned by the weak planet. Generally the matter related to the house owned by the weak planet doesn't suffer during its own dasa. However, the natural significations of the weak planet shall suffer. Now there are two things, the gandanta position of Jup can affect the health of the person signified by the persons such as Guru or grandfather or father's elder brother. Now you can tell whether any of them suffered during the dasa of Jupiter. About other natural significations and the house placement, the vargottamamsa of Jup can make good things to happen. Jupiter is placed with the 6th and 8th lord Merc and Sun in the 3rd house showing that you could have enjoyed sudded rise as they form a VRY, and Jup associating with them. However the effect of gandanta and weakness of the houses would have been more prominent in the Rahu dasa, it being the greatest enemy of Jup aspecting its house, which occured between 1955 to 1973, as Rahu is aspecting Pisces. Now this would happen in the antar of the planet conjoining, dispositing, placed in kendra from Rahu. Thus the antar of Ven, Sat and Mars would have been bad. Rahu's own antar also would have been bad to some extent for significations of the 12th and 3rd houses. This might show that you had many sleepless nights, troubles abroad etc. or troubles to your brothers or co-borns etc. Please tell us more what happened during these antar. Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Rah MD: 1955-11-09 (12:48:02 am) - 1973-11-08 (3:31:44 pm) Antardasas in this MD: Rah: 1955-11-09 (12:48:02 am) - 1958-07-21 (3:07:14 am) Jup: 1958-07-21 (3:07:14 am) - 1960-12-13 (9:42:12 pm) Sat: 1960-12-13 (9:42:12 pm) - 1963-10-22 (1:47:22 am) Mer: 1963-10-22 (1:47:22 am) - 1966-05-06 (11:31:19 pm) Ket: 1966-05-06 (11:31:19 pm) - 1967-05-25 (9:46:52 pm) Ven: 1967-05-25 (9:46:52 pm) - 1970-05-25 (4:15:38 pm) Sun: 1970-05-25 (4:15:38 pm) - 1971-04-18 (5:54:42 pm) Moo: 1971-04-18 (5:54:42 pm) - 1972-10-21 (9:13:02 am) Mar: 1972-10-21 (9:13:02 am) - 1973-11-08 (3:31:44 pm) More after you reply back. Best Wishes Sarajit Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:33 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Dear visti, sarajit, I think Ramadas Rao's mail proves my point. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Nimmi ji and Sarajit ji, Please go through my chart where Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house in Vargothama and in Rasi Sandhi and also in Gandanta in Meena Rasi . I hope this helps for the analysis of Gandantas and Rasi Sandhis.My Guru dasa was really good and I prospered in this Dasa. DOB : 23/03/1952 ,TOB : 03:30 :30 AM ,Long.: 74 E 51' ,Lat.: 12 N 52 ' With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote: This is the closest I have, I think. Jupiter is in the 2nd degree of cancer (not sure what highest point of exaltation is) but is close to bhava sandhi. Jupiter dasa has been pretty OK for him. Nimmi - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:35 AM [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:09 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. Prabhakaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 Dear Ramadas, 3L Ju in 3H in gandanta should actually be pretty bad news, because it's also in marana karaka sthana. Did something really bad happen to any of your siblings during Ju's dasa? I don't have your chart but if Ju receives aspect of either Ma or Sa, I think some sibling would've gotten real close to death... Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Nimmi ji and Sarajit ji, Please go through my chart where Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house in Vargothama and in Rasi Sandhi and also in Gandanta in Meena Rasi . I hope this helps for the analysis of Gandantas and Rasi Sandhis.My Guru dasa was really good and I prospered in this Dasa. DOB : 23/03/1952 ,TOB : 03:30 :30 AM ,Long.: 74 E 51' ,Lat.: 12 N 52 ' With best regards, Ramadas Rao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Dear Sarajit, I think contra results are given by inimical /weak planet in its Antardasha in its own Mahadasha. I do not remember any reference to weak/inimical planet's enemy's dasha giving the results which are inimical. I could be wrong, but the logic behind the statement is not clear to me. Is this rule applicable everywhere? I mean Mars in 8th in Sandhi would give good results but Saturn will give bad results for a person with Libra Ascendant,with respect to a lady's saubhagya? Kindly amplify. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Chandrashekhar - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:51 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya Jagannath Dear Ramadas and Chandrashekhar +--------------+|Su Me | |AL | ||Ju | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ve Ra | |GL || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||As Mo | |Ke || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||HL |Md Gk |Ma |SaR || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 15 Cp 24' 38.06" Srav 2 Cp TaSun - DK 9 Pi 02' 16.01" UBha 2 Pi ViMoon - AK 29 Cp 46' 14.64" Dhan 2 Cp ViMars - MK 25 Li 14' 36.26" Visa 2 Li TaMercury - BK 26 Pi 21' 49.76" Reva 3 Pi AqJupiter - AmK 27 Pi 58' 04.42" Reva 4 Pi PiVenus - GK 14 Aq 36' 00.19" Sata 3 Aq AqSaturn ® - PK 19 Vi 10' 09.76" Hast 3 Vi GeRahu - PiK 5 Aq 55' 45.73" Dhan 4 Aq ScKetu 5 Le 55' 45.73" Makh 2 Le Ta Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Maha Dasas: Mar: 1948-11-08 (5:38:36 am) - 1955-11-09 (12:48:02 am) Rah: 1955-11-09 (12:48:02 am) - 1973-11-08 (3:31:44 pm) Jup: 1973-11-08 (3:31:44 pm) - 1989-11-08 (5:55:25 pm) Sat: 1989-11-08 (5:55:25 pm) - 2008-11-08 (2:53:52 pm) Mer: 2008-11-08 (2:53:52 pm) - 2025-11-08 (11:25:14 pm) Ket: 2025-11-08 (11:25:14 pm) - 2032-11-08 (6:35:54 pm) Ven: 2032-11-08 (6:35:54 pm) - 2052-11-08 (9:30:51 pm) Sun: 2052-11-08 (9:30:51 pm) - 2058-11-09 (10:31:03 am) Moo: 2058-11-09 (10:31:03 am) - 2068-11-09 (12:00:57 am) In the horoscope, Jupiter is in Gandanta and Moon is in Rasi Sandhi and hence a good chart to study, specifically when you have mentioned that the dasa of the planet has been good. Now when a planet is weak, the dasa of the enemies shall cause the houses of the weak lord to suffer, if the enemy aspects, placed there or in kendra or kona from the house owned by the weak planet. Generally the matter related to the house owned by the weak planet doesn't suffer during its own dasa. However, the natural significations of the weak planet shall suffer. Now there are two things, the gandanta position of Jup can affect the health of the person signified by the persons such as Guru or grandfather or father's elder brother. Now you can tell whether any of them suffered during the dasa of Jupiter. About other natural significations and the house placement, the vargottamamsa of Jup can make good things to happen. Jupiter is placed with the 6th and 8th lord Merc and Sun in the 3rd house showing that you could have enjoyed sudded rise as they form a VRY, and Jup associating with them. However the effect of gandanta and weakness of the houses would have been more prominent in the Rahu dasa, it being the greatest enemy of Jup aspecting its house, which occured between 1955 to 1973, as Rahu is aspecting Pisces. Now this would happen in the antar of the planet conjoining, dispositing, placed in kendra from Rahu. Thus the antar of Ven, Sat and Mars would have been bad. Rahu's own antar also would have been bad to some extent for significations of the 12th and 3rd houses. This might show that you had many sleepless nights, troubles abroad etc. or troubles to your brothers or co-borns etc. Please tell us more what happened during these antar. Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Rah MD: 1955-11-09 (12:48:02 am) - 1973-11-08 (3:31:44 pm) Antardasas in this MD: Rah: 1955-11-09 (12:48:02 am) - 1958-07-21 (3:07:14 am) Jup: 1958-07-21 (3:07:14 am) - 1960-12-13 (9:42:12 pm) Sat: 1960-12-13 (9:42:12 pm) - 1963-10-22 (1:47:22 am) Mer: 1963-10-22 (1:47:22 am) - 1966-05-06 (11:31:19 pm) Ket: 1966-05-06 (11:31:19 pm) - 1967-05-25 (9:46:52 pm) Ven: 1967-05-25 (9:46:52 pm) - 1970-05-25 (4:15:38 pm) Sun: 1970-05-25 (4:15:38 pm) - 1971-04-18 (5:54:42 pm) Moo: 1971-04-18 (5:54:42 pm) - 1972-10-21 (9:13:02 am) Mar: 1972-10-21 (9:13:02 am) - 1973-11-08 (3:31:44 pm) More after you reply back. Best Wishes Sarajit Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:33 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Dear visti, sarajit, I think Ramadas Rao's mail proves my point. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Nimmi ji and Sarajit ji, Please go through my chart where Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house in Vargothama and in Rasi Sandhi and also in Gandanta in Meena Rasi . I hope this helps for the analysis of Gandantas and Rasi Sandhis.My Guru dasa was really good and I prospered in this Dasa. DOB : 23/03/1952 ,TOB : 03:30 :30 AM ,Long.: 74 E 51' ,Lat.: 12 N 52 ' With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote: This is the closest I have, I think. Jupiter is in the 2nd degree of cancer (not sure what highest point of exaltation is) but is close to bhava sandhi. Jupiter dasa has been pretty OK for him. Nimmi - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:35 AM [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:09 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Chandrashekhar ji,Visti ji ,Sarajitji, and others, Now here I want to add something.As I said Guru is my 3rd lord in 3rd house ,Vargothama but in Gandanta and Rasi Sandhi also.So Guru has to give the results of his position of this Gandanta.Here now I follow some new method which is slightly different from traditional method.Now Guru Dasa is running and see any planet in Guru's Nakshtra.In my chart ,Kuja the 4th an 11th lord Bhadhaka is in 10th in digbala placed in Vishakha Nakshatra (Tula 25 deg.21' ) .Now Kuja has to give the reuslts in Guru dasa.Kuja is the Karaka for co-borns.Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house and also 12th lord indicating Mrityu or Moksha .3rd house also indicates younger co-borns.Also Kuja is in 8th from Dasa lord Guru .So he gave the maraka results and Guru also gave Gandanta results of my younger brother got expired during Guru Dasa who was mentally retarded.Now see the period of his death.I am not going to any Shoola Dasa .It is very simple.As I wrote above Kuja has to give results in Guru dasa.Now see any planet in Kuja's Nakshatra.In my chart ,Chandra is in Makara Lagna in the nakshatra of Dhanishta ruled by Kuja.So Chandra has to give the results of Kuja during Chandra Dasa or Antara Dasa.Guru Dasa- Chandra's Antara was running from 14-2-1985 to 16-6-1986.Shani's pratyantara was running between 9-9-1985 and 25-11-1985 .Shani is Mrityu Karaka and from 3rd house (Meena ) he is 11th and 12th lord placed in 7th which is a maraka in Kanya Rasi and it is during this period my younger brother expired on 31-10-1985 due to high pneumonia ( Blocking of lungs with cough and finally loss of breath ). I hope this helps everybody. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear visti, sarajit, I think Ramadas Rao's mail proves my point. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Nimmi ji and Sarajit ji, Please go through my chart where Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house in Vargothama and in Rasi Sandhi and also in Gandanta in Meena Rasi . I hope this helps for the analysis of Gandantas and Rasi Sandhis.My Guru dasa was really good and I prospered in this Dasa. DOB : 23/03/1952 ,TOB : 03:30 :30 AM ,Long.: 74 E 51' ,Lat.: 12 N 52 ' With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote: This is the closest I have, I think. Jupiter is in the 2nd degree of cancer (not sure what highest point of exaltation is) but is close to bhava sandhi. Jupiter dasa has been pretty OK for him. Nimmi - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:35 AM [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:09 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. 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Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Sarajit Ji, Ok now I will explain what all happened during my Rahu Dasa .The Antara of Rahu was actually good in the sense almost in 1957 ,I was in 1st standard and I remember still now that I stood 1st in my class.Even in running race I got 1st prize.My explantion for this is the Yoga Karaka Shukra is with Rahu and Shukra himself is placed in Shatabhisha ruled by Rahu and is also Vargothama.As these planets are in 11th from 4th ,got good marks in the final exam. and got the prize also.Now Rahu is in the nakshatra of Dhanishta ruled by Kuja who is in Digbala in 10th and this has made me to get 1st prize in Running race.(Kuja Karaka for sports also ). Now Rahu Dasa- Shani's antara :between 1960 and 1963.Yes this beginning period was very bad for health.Of course Rahu and Shani are in 6-8 position.But my analysis says Surya who is 8th lord is placed in 3rd in the nakshatra of Uttarabhadrapada ruled by Shani and Shani aspects Surya also.Shani is Lagna Lord and 2nd lord ( 11th from 4th house ).In Dec.1960,I suffered from severe Typhoid and I heard from my parents that they lost hope about my life.Then they performed Hanuman Pooja and Shani Japam ,then after about 3 months ,I got recovered from this diease.Surya indicates high temperatures and as he is afflicted by being in the nakshatra of Shani ,my health got affected and hence my education but anyhow as my performance was good in previous exams.I was promoted to next class.At this time of 1960,Shani was transitting over 12th from My Lagna and Chandra but Guru was also in Dhanu and as a result I got recovered. Now coming to the Antara of Shukra which ran between 1967 May and 1970,May 25 was considered a very good period in my education and I got 1st class in 10th standard S.S.L.C. exam.,then the next P.U.C. also I passed with 1st class and then I joined B.Sc.See Kuja is in 10th in Digbala indicating Science.Here my explanation is also Shukra ,the Yoga Karaka is with Rahu has given good results concerned to education as 2nd is 11th to 4th house.I completed my B.Sc.in 1971 during Surya's Antara and result got in Chandra's Antara . Now Kuja's Antara in Rahu Dasa was between 21-10-1972 and 8-11-1973. Kuja is in 10th in Digbala and as I already indicated he is Karaka for Science and during this Antara I was working in a Soap Manufacturing company as Chemist.But as Kuja is in the Nkashatra of Vishaka ruled by Guru who is with Surya and Budha ,before the Antara ended in 1973 ,August 17th ,I joined Mangalore Chemicals & Fertilizers Ltd.a Joint sector company at that time.After that Guru Dasa came and my prosperity started .These are my life interpretations during Rahu Dasa. I hope this helps. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Jaya Jagannath Dear Ramadas and Chandrashekhar +--------------+|Su Me | |AL | ||Ju | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ve Ra | |GL || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||As Mo | |Ke || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||HL |Md Gk |Ma |SaR || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 15 Cp 24' 38.06" Srav 2 Cp TaSun - DK 9 Pi 02' 16.01" UBha 2 Pi ViMoon - AK 29 Cp 46' 14.64" Dhan 2 Cp ViMars - MK 25 Li 14' 36.26" Visa 2 Li TaMercury - BK 26 Pi 21' 49.76" Reva 3 Pi AqJupiter - AmK 27 Pi 58' 04.42" Reva 4 Pi PiVenus - GK 14 Aq 36' 00.19" Sata 3 Aq AqSaturn ® - PK 19 Vi 10' 09.76" Hast 3 Vi GeRahu - PiK 5 Aq 55' 45.73" Dhan 4 Aq ScKetu 5 Le 55' 45.73" Makh 2 Le Ta Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Maha Dasas: Mar: 1948-11-08 (5:38:36 am) - 1955-11-09 (12:48:02 am) Rah: 1955-11-09 (12:48:02 am) - 1973-11-08 (3:31:44 pm) Jup: 1973-11-08 (3:31:44 pm) - 1989-11-08 (5:55:25 pm) Sat: 1989-11-08 (5:55:25 pm) - 2008-11-08 (2:53:52 pm) Mer: 2008-11-08 (2:53:52 pm) - 2025-11-08 (11:25:14 pm) Ket: 2025-11-08 (11:25:14 pm) - 2032-11-08 (6:35:54 pm) Ven: 2032-11-08 (6:35:54 pm) - 2052-11-08 (9:30:51 pm) Sun: 2052-11-08 (9:30:51 pm) - 2058-11-09 (10:31:03 am) Moo: 2058-11-09 (10:31:03 am) - 2068-11-09 (12:00:57 am) In the horoscope, Jupiter is in Gandanta and Moon is in Rasi Sandhi and hence a good chart to study, specifically when you have mentioned that the dasa of the planet has been good. Now when a planet is weak, the dasa of the enemies shall cause the houses of the weak lord to suffer, if the enemy aspects, placed there or in kendra or kona from the house owned by the weak planet. Generally the matter related to the house owned by the weak planet doesn't suffer during its own dasa. However, the natural significations of the weak planet shall suffer. Now there are two things, the gandanta position of Jup can affect the health of the person signified by the persons such as Guru or grandfather or father's elder brother. Now you can tell whether any of them suffered during the dasa of Jupiter. About other natural significations and the house placement, the vargottamamsa of Jup can make good things to happen. Jupiter is placed with the 6th and 8th lord Merc and Sun in the 3rd house showing that you could have enjoyed sudded rise as they form a VRY, and Jup associating with them. However the effect of gandanta and weakness of the houses would have been more prominent in the Rahu dasa, it being the greatest enemy of Jup aspecting its house, which occured between 1955 to 1973, as Rahu is aspecting Pisces. Now this would happen in the antar of the planet conjoining, dispositing, placed in kendra from Rahu. Thus the antar of Ven, Sat and Mars would have been bad. Rahu's own antar also would have been bad to some extent for significations of the 12th and 3rd houses. This might show that you had many sleepless nights, troubles abroad etc. or troubles to your brothers or co-borns etc. Please tell us more what happened during these antar. Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Rah MD: 1955-11-09 (12:48:02 am) - 1973-11-08 (3:31:44 pm) Antardasas in this MD: Rah: 1955-11-09 (12:48:02 am) - 1958-07-21 (3:07:14 am) Jup: 1958-07-21 (3:07:14 am) - 1960-12-13 (9:42:12 pm) Sat: 1960-12-13 (9:42:12 pm) - 1963-10-22 (1:47:22 am) Mer: 1963-10-22 (1:47:22 am) - 1966-05-06 (11:31:19 pm) Ket: 1966-05-06 (11:31:19 pm) - 1967-05-25 (9:46:52 pm) Ven: 1967-05-25 (9:46:52 pm) - 1970-05-25 (4:15:38 pm) Sun: 1970-05-25 (4:15:38 pm) - 1971-04-18 (5:54:42 pm) Moo: 1971-04-18 (5:54:42 pm) - 1972-10-21 (9:13:02 am) Mar: 1972-10-21 (9:13:02 am) - 1973-11-08 (3:31:44 pm) More after you reply back. Best Wishes Sarajit Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:33 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Dear visti, sarajit, I think Ramadas Rao's mail proves my point. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Nimmi ji and Sarajit ji, Please go through my chart where Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house in Vargothama and in Rasi Sandhi and also in Gandanta in Meena Rasi . I hope this helps for the analysis of Gandantas and Rasi Sandhis.My Guru dasa was really good and I prospered in this Dasa. DOB : 23/03/1952 ,TOB : 03:30 :30 AM ,Long.: 74 E 51' ,Lat.: 12 N 52 ' With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote: This is the closest I have, I think. Jupiter is in the 2nd degree of cancer (not sure what highest point of exaltation is) but is close to bhava sandhi. Jupiter dasa has been pretty OK for him. Nimmi - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:35 AM [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:09 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Ramapriya, You are correct.just see my post for details.It was my yonger brother's death. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Ramapriya D <hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Ramadas, 3L Ju in 3H in gandanta should actually be pretty bad news, because it's also in marana karaka sthana. Did something really bad happen to any of your siblings during Ju's dasa? I don't have your chart but if Ju receives aspect of either Ma or Sa, I think some sibling would've gotten real close to death... Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Nimmi ji and Sarajit ji, Please go through my chart where Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house in Vargothama and in Rasi Sandhi and also in Gandanta in Meena Rasi . I hope this helps for the analysis of Gandantas and Rasi Sandhis.My Guru dasa was really good and I prospered in this Dasa. DOB : 23/03/1952 ,TOB : 03:30 :30 AM ,Long.: 74 E 51' ,Lat.: 12 N 52 ' With best regards, Ramadas RaoArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 Dear Sarajit,Ramdasraoji, As you can find from Ramadas Raoji's mail it is Guru's friend Mars who gave bad results of 3rd bhava and not Guru's enemy. Thanks to Ramdasraoji for his detailed post. Chandrashekhar. - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Friday, March 14, 2003 10:47 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Chandrashekhar ji,Visti ji ,Sarajitji, and others, Now here I want to add something.As I said Guru is my 3rd lord in 3rd house ,Vargothama but in Gandanta and Rasi Sandhi also.So Guru has to give the results of his position of this Gandanta.Here now I follow some new method which is slightly different from traditional method.Now Guru Dasa is running and see any planet in Guru's Nakshtra.In my chart ,Kuja the 4th an 11th lord Bhadhaka is in 10th in digbala placed in Vishakha Nakshatra (Tula 25 deg.21' ) .Now Kuja has to give the reuslts in Guru dasa.Kuja is the Karaka for co-borns.Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house and also 12th lord indicating Mrityu or Moksha .3rd house also indicates younger co-borns.Also Kuja is in 8th from Dasa lord Guru .So he gave the maraka results and Guru also gave Gandanta results of my younger brother got expired during Guru Dasa who was mentally retarded.Now see the period of his death.I am not going to any Shoola Dasa .It is very simple.As I wrote above Kuja has to give results in Guru dasa.Now see any planet in Kuja's Nakshatra.In my chart ,Chandra is in Makara Lagna in the nakshatra of Dhanishta ruled by Kuja.So Chandra has to give the results of Kuja during Chandra Dasa or Antara Dasa.Guru Dasa- Chandra's Antara was running from 14-2-1985 to 16-6-1986.Shani's pratyantara was running between 9-9-1985 and 25-11-1985 .Shani is Mrityu Karaka and from 3rd house (Meena ) he is 11th and 12th lord placed in 7th which is a maraka in Kanya Rasi and it is during this period my younger brother expired on 31-10-1985 due to high pneumonia ( Blocking of lungs with cough and finally loss of breath ). I hope this helps everybody. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear visti, sarajit, I think Ramadas Rao's mail proves my point. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Nimmi ji and Sarajit ji, Please go through my chart where Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house in Vargothama and in Rasi Sandhi and also in Gandanta in Meena Rasi . I hope this helps for the analysis of Gandantas and Rasi Sandhis.My Guru dasa was really good and I prospered in this Dasa. DOB : 23/03/1952 ,TOB : 03:30 :30 AM ,Long.: 74 E 51' ,Lat.: 12 N 52 ' With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote: This is the closest I have, I think. Jupiter is in the 2nd degree of cancer (not sure what highest point of exaltation is) but is close to bhava sandhi. Jupiter dasa has been pretty OK for him. Nimmi - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:35 AM [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:09 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Chandrashekhar Ji, You are most welcome. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Sarajit,Ramdasraoji, As you can find from Ramadas Raoji's mail it is Guru's friend Mars who gave bad results of 3rd bhava and not Guru's enemy. Thanks to Ramdasraoji for his detailed post. Chandrashekhar. - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Friday, March 14, 2003 10:47 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Chandrashekhar ji,Visti ji ,Sarajitji, and others, Now here I want to add something.As I said Guru is my 3rd lord in 3rd house ,Vargothama but in Gandanta and Rasi Sandhi also.So Guru has to give the results of his position of this Gandanta.Here now I follow some new method which is slightly different from traditional method.Now Guru Dasa is running and see any planet in Guru's Nakshtra.In my chart ,Kuja the 4th an 11th lord Bhadhaka is in 10th in digbala placed in Vishakha Nakshatra (Tula 25 deg.21' ) .Now Kuja has to give the reuslts in Guru dasa.Kuja is the Karaka for co-borns.Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house and also 12th lord indicating Mrityu or Moksha .3rd house also indicates younger co-borns.Also Kuja is in 8th from Dasa lord Guru .So he gave the maraka results and Guru also gave Gandanta results of my younger brother got expired during Guru Dasa who was mentally retarded.Now see the period of his death.I am not going to any Shoola Dasa .It is very simple.As I wrote above Kuja has to give results in Guru dasa.Now see any planet in Kuja's Nakshatra.In my chart ,Chandra is in Makara Lagna in the nakshatra of Dhanishta ruled by Kuja.So Chandra has to give the results of Kuja during Chandra Dasa or Antara Dasa.Guru Dasa- Chandra's Antara was running from 14-2-1985 to 16-6-1986.Shani's pratyantara was running between 9-9-1985 and 25-11-1985 .Shani is Mrityu Karaka and from 3rd house (Meena ) he is 11th and 12th lord placed in 7th which is a maraka in Kanya Rasi and it is during this period my younger brother expired on 31-10-1985 due to high pneumonia ( Blocking of lungs with cough and finally loss of breath ). I hope this helps everybody. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear visti, sarajit, I think Ramadas Rao's mail proves my point. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Nimmi ji and Sarajit ji, Please go through my chart where Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house in Vargothama and in Rasi Sandhi and also in Gandanta in Meena Rasi . I hope this helps for the analysis of Gandantas and Rasi Sandhis.My Guru dasa was really good and I prospered in this Dasa. DOB : 23/03/1952 ,TOB : 03:30 :30 AM ,Long.: 74 E 51' ,Lat.: 12 N 52 ' With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote: This is the closest I have, I think. Jupiter is in the 2nd degree of cancer (not sure what highest point of exaltation is) but is close to bhava sandhi. Jupiter dasa has been pretty OK for him. Nimmi - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:35 AM [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:09 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 Jaya JagannathNamaskar Chandrashekharji and Ramadasji, There is no disagreement here. When a planet is in Marana Avastha, the karaka of that house becomes inimical and brings about the death related to the planet in marana avastha. Now even if Jupiter is a friend of Mars, Jupiter doesn't enjoy the violence of mars signified as the 3rd house karaka. Now the method given by Ramadas is the method of Jeeva and I fully agree to it. Mars being in the nakshatra of Jupiter shall drive the results of Jupiter in Jup's dasa. Now the death related matters are to be seen from the sthira karaka, the sthira karaka for younger co-born is Mars.Now the Dasa lord Jupiter is the 3rd and 6th lord and is very evil for younger brother. However, at the first glance it is not clear, why Moon's antardasa, who is the 10th lord placed in the 4th house from sthira bhratrikaraka. Anyone who can bring death to the brother is the 2nd or 7th lord from the stira bhratrikaraka Mars, which happens to be Mars, Ketu and Venus. Now a planet can also give the results of the nakshatra dispositor and as Ramadasji explains, happens to be Mars for the Moon antar. What I wanted to point that Mars can give the results even if it is a friend of Jupiter, thats why I mentioned this could very well happened in Mars antar of Rahu dasa. Best Wishes Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Sunday, March 16, 2003 3:35 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Dear Sarajit,Ramdasraoji, As you can find from Ramadas Raoji's mail it is Guru's friend Mars who gave bad results of 3rd bhava and not Guru's enemy. Thanks to Ramdasraoji for his detailed post. Chandrashekhar. - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Friday, March 14, 2003 10:47 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Chandrashekhar ji,Visti ji ,Sarajitji, and others, Now here I want to add something.As I said Guru is my 3rd lord in 3rd house ,Vargothama but in Gandanta and Rasi Sandhi also.So Guru has to give the results of his position of this Gandanta.Here now I follow some new method which is slightly different from traditional method.Now Guru Dasa is running and see any planet in Guru's Nakshtra.In my chart ,Kuja the 4th an 11th lord Bhadhaka is in 10th in digbala placed in Vishakha Nakshatra (Tula 25 deg.21' ) .Now Kuja has to give the reuslts in Guru dasa.Kuja is the Karaka for co-borns.Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house and also 12th lord indicating Mrityu or Moksha .3rd house also indicates younger co-borns.Also Kuja is in 8th from Dasa lord Guru .So he gave the maraka results and Guru also gave Gandanta results of my younger brother got expired during Guru Dasa who was mentally retarded.Now see the period of his death.I am not going to any Shoola Dasa .It is very simple.As I wrote above Kuja has to give results in Guru dasa.Now see any planet in Kuja's Nakshatra.In my chart ,Chandra is in Makara Lagna in the nakshatra of Dhanishta ruled by Kuja.So Chandra has to give the results of Kuja during Chandra Dasa or Antara Dasa.Guru Dasa- Chandra's Antara was running from 14-2-1985 to 16-6-1986.Shani's pratyantara was running between 9-9-1985 and 25-11-1985 .Shani is Mrityu Karaka and from 3rd house (Meena ) he is 11th and 12th lord placed in 7th which is a maraka in Kanya Rasi and it is during this period my younger brother expired on 31-10-1985 due to high pneumonia ( Blocking of lungs with cough and finally loss of breath ). I hope this helps everybody. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear visti, sarajit, I think Ramadas Rao's mail proves my point. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Nimmi ji and Sarajit ji, Please go through my chart where Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house in Vargothama and in Rasi Sandhi and also in Gandanta in Meena Rasi . I hope this helps for the analysis of Gandantas and Rasi Sandhis.My Guru dasa was really good and I prospered in this Dasa. DOB : 23/03/1952 ,TOB : 03:30 :30 AM ,Long.: 74 E 51' ,Lat.: 12 N 52 ' With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote: This is the closest I have, I think. Jupiter is in the 2nd degree of cancer (not sure what highest point of exaltation is) but is close to bhava sandhi. Jupiter dasa has been pretty OK for him. Nimmi - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:35 AM [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:09 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 ` ¬I— k«:[ay nm>, Dear Sarajit ji, Thank you for your explanation.Here one small correction is that Guru is the lord of 3rd and 12th for Makara Lagna.So normally I analyse in this way.I think this may be a simple way to expalin and through Karakas. For your information,In August 1985 ,I visited India on vcation and at that time I checked my brother's palm also and I showed it to my father and told him that there is a big line is crossing the line of heart,head and life and going towards Lower mount of Mars under the Index finger and base of Thumb.Then I calculated and told my father that ,this year is the most critical period for him and if he passes this year,then he becomes normal and will study and lead a normal life.But as I wrote previously unfortunately my younger brother expired on the same year 1985 ,October 31. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Jaya JagannathNamaskar Chandrashekharji and Ramadasji, There is no disagreement here. When a planet is in Marana Avastha, the karaka of that house becomes inimical and brings about the death related to the planet in marana avastha. Now even if Jupiter is a friend of Mars, Jupiter doesn't enjoy the violence of mars signified as the 3rd house karaka. Now the method given by Ramadas is the method of Jeeva and I fully agree to it. Mars being in the nakshatra of Jupiter shall drive the results of Jupiter in Jup's dasa. Now the death related matters are to be seen from the sthira karaka, the sthira karaka for younger co-born is Mars.Now the Dasa lord Jupiter is the 3rd and 6th lord and is very evil for younger brother. However, at the first glance it is not clear, why Moon's antardasa, who is the 10th lord placed in the 4th house from sthira bhratrikaraka. Anyone who can bring death to the brother is the 2nd or 7th lord from the stira bhratrikaraka Mars, which happens to be Mars, Ketu and Venus. Now a planet can also give the results of the nakshatra dispositor and as Ramadasji explains, happens to be Mars for the Moon antar. What I wanted to point that Mars can give the results even if it is a friend of Jupiter, thats why I mentioned this could very well happened in Mars antar of Rahu dasa. Best Wishes Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Sunday, March 16, 2003 3:35 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Dear Sarajit,Ramdasraoji, As you can find from Ramadas Raoji's mail it is Guru's friend Mars who gave bad results of 3rd bhava and not Guru's enemy. Thanks to Ramdasraoji for his detailed post. Chandrashekhar. - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Friday, March 14, 2003 10:47 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Chandrashekhar ji,Visti ji ,Sarajitji, and others, Now here I want to add something.As I said Guru is my 3rd lord in 3rd house ,Vargothama but in Gandanta and Rasi Sandhi also.So Guru has to give the results of his position of this Gandanta.Here now I follow some new method which is slightly different from traditional method.Now Guru Dasa is running and see any planet in Guru's Nakshtra.In my chart ,Kuja the 4th an 11th lord Bhadhaka is in 10th in digbala placed in Vishakha Nakshatra (Tula 25 deg.21' ) .Now Kuja has to give the reuslts in Guru dasa.Kuja is the Karaka for co-borns.Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house and also 12th lord indicating Mrityu or Moksha .3rd house also indicates younger co-borns.Also Kuja is in 8th from Dasa lord Guru .So he gave the maraka results and Guru also gave Gandanta results of my younger brother got expired during Guru Dasa who was mentally retarded.Now see the period of his death.I am not going to any Shoola Dasa .It is very simple.As I wrote above Kuja has to give results in Guru dasa.Now see any planet in Kuja's Nakshatra.In my chart ,Chandra is in Makara Lagna in the nakshatra of Dhanishta ruled by Kuja.So Chandra has to give the results of Kuja during Chandra Dasa or Antara Dasa.Guru Dasa- Chandra's Antara was running from 14-2-1985 to 16-6-1986.Shani's pratyantara was running between 9-9-1985 and 25-11-1985 .Shani is Mrityu Karaka and from 3rd house (Meena ) he is 11th and 12th lord placed in 7th which is a maraka in Kanya Rasi and it is during this period my younger brother expired on 31-10-1985 due to high pneumonia ( Blocking of lungs with cough and finally loss of breath ). I hope this helps everybody. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear visti, sarajit, I think Ramadas Rao's mail proves my point. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi ` ¬I— ³:[ay nm>, Dear Nimmi ji and Sarajit ji, Please go through my chart where Guru is 3rd lord in 3rd house in Vargothama and in Rasi Sandhi and also in Gandanta in Meena Rasi . I hope this helps for the analysis of Gandantas and Rasi Sandhis.My Guru dasa was really good and I prospered in this Dasa. DOB : 23/03/1952 ,TOB : 03:30 :30 AM ,Long.: 74 E 51' ,Lat.: 12 N 52 ' With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote: This is the closest I have, I think. Jupiter is in the 2nd degree of cancer (not sure what highest point of exaltation is) but is close to bhava sandhi. Jupiter dasa has been pretty OK for him. Nimmi - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:35 AM [vedic astrology] Paramoccha and Bhava Sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Actually there are two things which went on, one the rasi sandhi and weakness of houses owned and another the result of paramoccha and the bhava sandhi, however the topic of the precious mail was vargottama and rasi sandhi. Now as of my understanding a planet in paramoccha can be very good for the house it owns as it is very strong, however its result as placement in a particular sign does depend on its placement from the Bhava Cusp. Now the bhava has been a topic of controversy for long and we are yet to know which way of house division is the most accurate one, so I shall not go into that. However, I would like to mention that the strength of result of placement of a planet would depend on the placement of the planet from the bhava cusp; thus if the planet is placed near the cusp then the results are strongly felt, however if they are placed far from that the results are weakly felt, and if the planet falls in the fag end of the bhava, i.e., in the sandhi zone, the results will be bare minimum or nill. This can be observed that not all the persons who has Sun in the Lagna is bald or have eye problems, this can be better explained by this as in different cases, Sun would be in different places with respect to the lagna cusp. Now in my horoscope, I have Mars and Sun in the trine in Leo from Sag Lagna, which would have made me a very short-tempered, aggressive and billious guy, which I am not. This is because Mars is placed in the Bhava Sandhi and is ineffective of giving the results of its placement in the 9th. The best placement of a badhaka is in the Bhava sandhi so that it will not affect any bhava with its placement. We can see a horoscope, in which the native has a planet in paramoccha but in bhava sandhi. Nimmi, do you have one such chart! Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:09 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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