Jaimini's teachings on the circumstances of death (Bush chart comments)

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Om Namassivaaya

Namaste Robert,

 

We are arguing after a long time! It is always nice to discuss something with you.

 

Jaimini's teachings on the circumstances of death apply consistently and without

fail. If they seem to fail in an example, clearly something is wrong with one's

understanding. I humbly suggest that there is no need to invent new principles

and that Jaimini's teachings are sufficient.

 

> Another case in point: Look at the chart of John F. Kennedy, who died by >

gunshot:> > 5/29/1917> 15:00 EST> 71W07:18> 42N19:54> > The AL is Scorpio, the

3rd from which is Capricorn. Now, Capricorn has > only the aspects of

benefics, Viz. Moon, Jupiter, Venus, and Sun. So, you > see, there is more to

it than just malefics aspecting 3rd from AL. Mars, > however, in that chart

does indeed account for assassination, being in > Aries as 8th lord, with lord

of lagna.

 

Jaimini's teaching is that the 3rd from AL or A7 shows the circumstances of

death. In the chart of George W Bush, I took AL because it is stronger. But, in

JFK's case, A7 is stronger. Cancer containing A7 is occupied by Saturn, while

Scorpio containing AL is empty.

 

The 3rd from A7 is Vi. It is aspected by nodes, showing dushta marana (bad

death). Invariably, malefics (esp nodes) will be involved in all violent

deaths.

 

Out of the two aspecting nodes, in fact, Rahu is the one who gives death. In

D-11, he is with Jupiter in 7th and he is the one who will show death

(Jupiter-Rahu combination in D-11 shows death). So Rahu is the one. His navamsa

position is Virgo. As per Jaimini Sutra 3.3.43, the native dies "due to enemies

or his excessive weaknesses".

 

Rahu shows violent death and his navamsa position shows death due to enemies or

excessive weaknesses.

 

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> * My point was this: In Indira Gandhi's chart, Ketu alone in the 3rd form > AL

is not enough to indicate death by assassination. Venus too is > aspecting as

well.

 

More than Venus, it is Rahu's aspect that is the key. Rahu is key for a violent death.

> *Secondly, in JFK's chart, which I posted, 3rd from AL has *only* benefics >

aspecting it. This should have given a very smooth or easy death. His > was

the most horrible of assassinations in USA's memory.

 

I have already answered it. If we use AL always and forget A7, it is not Jaimini's fault.

> 1. Mahatma Gandhi: assassinated by gunshot on Jan. 3, 1948> > Oct. 2, 1869>

07:56 LMT (TZ -05:21)> 69E36 21N38> > Lagna is Libra, while AL is Cancer.

There is only the Sun in the 3rd from > AL, while no other planets aspect it.

Sun is neutral in the matter of > death inflictions.

 

I am sorry, that is not right. The dictum on Sun and Ketu not being malefics

applies only to dharmik matters like marriage. When it comes to the 3rd from

AL/A7 and death, Sun and Ketu are malefics. In fact, Jaimini taught that Sun

gives death due to the wrath of king. This is too narrow and could be

interpreted as death for a political reason.

 

Please see p.304 of "Jaimini Maharishi's Upadesa Sutras" by Pt. Sanjay Rath.

This chart is discussed there. As Pt. Rath points out, Sun shows the

involvement of politics/firearms.

 

In D-11, Sun joins Rahu. Thus, Sun carries Rahu's influence in the matter of

death. However, that influence is absent in rasi chart. Thus, violent forces of

Rudra were present in his death (Sun with Rahu in Rudramsa), but he probably did

not feel such violence in the physical process of death. While chanting "Hey

Raam" (again, see Sun's influence - Sun shows Rama), Mahatma must've felt

peaceful while dying. Thus, Rahu's influence on Sun is present only in D-11 and

not in rasi.

> 2. William McKinley (president of US up to his assassination on Sep. 6,

1901)> > Jan. 29, 1843> 23:32 LMT (TZ +05:23:03)> 80W45:56 41N10:58> > Lagna

is 3:21 Libra, while AL is Aquarius. There are no planets at all, > either

occupying or aspecting the 3rd from AL.

 

Again you ignored A7. Taking AL, you can explain neither the nature of death nor the place of it.

 

While Aq containing AL is occupied by only one planet, Cp containing A7 is

occupied by 3 planets. Clearly, A7 is stronger. Now, look at the 3rd from A7 to

see the circumstances of death. It is aspected by Venus, Saturn and Rahu in Sg

and Ketu in Ge.

 

Influence of Rahu again shows a violent death. Rahu also shows shock.

 

Unlike in other charts, Saturn too is involved. Saturn shows death after

suffering, disease, infection, hospitalization etc. McKinley died 8 days after

he was shot, of infection in pancreas and intestines. While Rahu shows the

violence, Saturn shows that suffering. Venus shows some passion involved in the

assassination (just like in Indira Gandhi's chart).

 

Saturn in 8th in D-11 dominates over Rahu and Ketu involved in the death. While

Rahu in Virgo navamsa shows death "due to enemies", Saturn in Sg navamsa shows

death "due to sharp weapons".

 

We noted that Pisces is the 3rd from A7. It should show the place of death. Out

of many things shown by Pisces are hospitals, water fronts, concert halls etc.

McKinley's assassination took place in the "Temple of Music" at an expo. The

organ was playing Bach sonata when the assassination occurred. Pisces - concert

hall - fits perfectly. The final passing away occurred in a hospital and Pisces

fits again.

 

Moreover, Jupiter's aspect on AL/A7 gives death in a closed room (as opposed to

open space). Here Jupiter has no aspect on AL, but he aspects A7 (which we are

taking to be stronger). Thus, death occurred in a closed room.

 

There are so many wonderful principles given by Jaimini Maharshi, which work

consistently. We just have to understand them properly and apply them properly.

> ASSASSINATION> > In all the assassination by gunshot charts shown so far, the

following > apply uniformly:> 1. There is a yoga between the lagna or its

lord, and the lord of the 7th;> 2. Mars and/or Saturn aspects or afflicts the

lagna or its lord;> 3. Mars and/or Saturn afflict the 8th or its lord.

 

More importantly, nodes (and possibly Mars) would have a rasi aspect on the 3rd

from the stronger of AL and A7. Nodes are the significators of vioelent death

and a shocking death. Rahu shows cheating and shock. Ketu shows a mistake

(assassination of a leader invariably involves a mistake of the security).

Together they show violence.

> CONCLUSION> > More case histories with known manner and circumstances of

death, must be > shown in a systematic way, in order to understand the

underlying > principles. Simply quoting yogas by rote, will not always bear

the desired > result.

 

Hasty application never gives good results. But it must be pointed out that

Jaimini's combinations do work always! The only problem is that we sometimes do

not apply them properly. It pays to understand him correctly rather than

inventing new principles.

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> * Question: If someone handed you the chart of Indira Gandhi prior to her >

death, would you have been able to predict death by gunshot assassination > ?

If so, how?

 

Perhaps not exactly gunshot, but a violent death certainly csan be seen. Nodal

involvement on the 3rd from AL shows a violent death. Venus in a fiery sign

shows some strong passion. Ketu is in ayur-neecha in the 8th in D-11 and is the

strongest indicator of death out of the 3 planets involved with the 3rd from AL

in rasi. So look at Ketu's navamsa to say more on death. Ketu is in Cp navamsa.

As per Jaimini Sutra 3.3.45, a planet in Cp navamsa gives "a violent and bad

death". So all the factors are corraborated.

 

Predicting whether the violent death occurs by a gunshot or a missile shot or a

bomb explosion or something else is more difficult. But, one thing that one can

say based on this chart with confidence is that death will be very violent and

bad.

 

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> Indira Gandhi: In Indira Gandhi's chart, the 3rd from AL has only Ketu (a >

benefic according to Jaimini), while, apart from Rahu, Venus is the only >

other planet aspecting the 3rd from AL. So how could these rather mild >

afflictions show that she would die by assassination? Mars, on the other >

hand, although a yogakaraka, does indeed aspect both the lagna lord and the >

8th house.

 

You are mixing up rasi drishti and graha drishti here. Mars aspects lagna lord

Moon only by graha drishti. OTOH, Mars aspects the 8th house only by graha

drishti. Which drishti do you use for your principle? For the principles I am

using (which are based on Jaimini's teachings), I use only rasi drishti.

 

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> Still, Raja-Laksmi yoga accounts for a certain level of faith, or religious >

belief and orientation. Simply because Jupiter is in Marana karaka sthana >

does not nullify the Laksmi yoga, in my opinion.

 

I am not saying Lakshmi yoga is nullified. I am saying that dharma will suffer

due to dharma lord's marana karaka sthana. I gave other reasons too.

 

Faith, spirituality and dharma are all totally different things. Let us leave it

for now. I have to get back to work.

May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha