Learning Jyotish

March 4, 2003

Thanks for this- I think that it's important to make distinction between

memories and raw memory faculty, as Jay did- because they are similar in sound

only-

and if one tries to envoke 'memories' instead of memorazing, grasping concepts

and essence of Jyotish, that woudn't be a good job- allowing, as we see so

often in astrology, that we /randomly?/ chose handy concepts to 'prove' our

hypotesis, relying on 'intution', or what not. Sabri, I'd share my opinion on

this- don't bother to remember all yogas- memorize basics, clues, which will

allow you to recognize qualities within the bigger pattern, you can find yogas

easily- just make your own reference book as you study, it will play the role

of your 'extrended' memory and will be nicely stored "somewhere" always

available to you when you need it- before it becomes /to a bigger extent/ your

'property', before it becomes 'internalized'- nothing new, applies to the

process of acquiring knowledge in general- if one is serious about that.

I'd say, rely on mercury first /and Saturn, my favourite /maraka/planet/, and

disciline your 'Jupiter'- intuition and 'higher-order' faculties will come

later- Only 'informed intuition' is reliable- so study honestly first. That's

my proven path- you may find you own.

Good Luck, Sabri

--------------

Besides, Jay, even those with good memory capacity, have to know priorities,

order of importance as I say, of ino in order for them to study in an organized

way-

That's me perhaps, I don't believe in 'pick-and-chose' 'intuitive'

un/dis/organized etc approcah to any study, Jyotish neither. So, when you

experienced Jyotishi analyze the chart, it would be very useful for students if

you would 'clasify' that order in analysis, paying bit more attention to

explaining the method- most would benefit themselves from the very attempt to

do so.

Thanks,

Anna

Jay Weiss <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Visti,

It was not my intension to delve into the subject of "memory" as such as I'll

probably need an entire new life-time for that alone!

However memories are eternal - not the memory function and storage.

Two entirely different issue.

The storage device is the brain, which is temporal for this life and the

memories are eternal and accumulating.

A good example (one of many) is a computer memory chip (the device) which has

nothing to do with the temporal content stored on it (the memories).

Kind regards

jay

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Visti Larsen

vedic astrology

Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:51 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] About learning/getting better in Jyotish

Hare Rama Krsna

Dear Jay,

The Memory is eternal and everlasting.

However its the level of awareness which determines whether the link between

consciousness and memory, is good or not. From this point of view we determine

whether the native has a strong memory or not.

When the memory becomes thoroughly advanced, we start to remember more than what

has happened in the current birth.. infact it is the awareness which enables

this to happen-

Jyotishis have the greatest memory because they spend so much time with Jupiter.

Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana:

http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org

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Jay Weiss

vedic astrology

Tuesday, March 04, 2003 1:02 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] About learning/getting better in Jyotish

Dear Sabri,Indeed, Jyotish is an ocean of rules, parameters, combinations and

most ofall many controversies.From any known view point (physical or

mental/psychological) there is no wayone can measure a humans memory capacity.

We can not attribute a number ofGigabytes to one person and only a few

megabytes to another...Some people can "store" and retrieve huge amounts of

data while others canhardly recall yesterdays events.Certain functions in the

brain sort and store data which "it" findsimportant and or reusableNow, as with

everything one can train and improve a "weak" memory up to acertain degree and

if this fails (as it does now and than) one can be helpedby certain devices

like storing data on a hand held computer (like the Palm)and have it "stand-by"

in your pocket.However, saying that does not mean that you can store EVERYTHING

on anelectronic device.You must learn and memories the basic rules and

attributes of Jyotishissues. All important basics included!Once you've done

that I believe that a device like the Palm can be ablessing (that goes actually

for everyone).Besides "charting on the move" one can have most of the classics

on that"poor" Palm as a reference (reducing ~6-7 Kg' of books into 185 grams in

thepocket...).Further, one can store important notes until they are

memorized.Sure a great help to any astrologer who like to be on the 'safe side'

ofhis/her memory cells.I hope this gives you an idea...Kind regardsJay WeissP.S.

This mail is by no means an advertisement for any type of hand heldcomputer

device!-<korua (AT) efes (DOT) net.tr>To:

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[vedic astrology] About learning/getting better in Jyotish> Dear List Members,>>

The Classical Jyotish Texts are apparently full of data on Jyotish> parameters

like if the lord of such house is posited in such house> and aspected thus,

this has the indication... etc.>> It seems practically not possible to memorize

and keep in mind and> use for predictions such seemingly infinite data. So what

is the> logic and aim here?>> Is the student of Jyotish expected to derive for

himself more> underlying principles (in addition to the basic principles) as

he> goes through such data and examples.>> Or, by practicing and learning in

this manner, the ability to "see"> gets improved, so the student actually need

not intellectually> remember all the data he has gone through, but the process

has helped> him in his ability to perceive the truth reflected by charts? and

he> will by intuition remember or even use without remembering these> relations

or facts thought by the classical texts?>> Thanks in advance for any

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Dear List Members,

Thanks to everyone who have kindly shared their precious views,

Sabri.

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j.b

vedic astrology

Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:27 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Learning Jyotish

Dear Jay,Visti, Sabri, Thanks for this- I think that it's important to make

distinction between memories and raw memory faculty, as Jay did- because they

are similar in sound only- and if one tries to envoke 'memories' instead of

memorazing, grasping concepts and essence of Jyotish, that woudn't be a good

job- allowing, as we see so often in astrology, that we /randomly?/ chose handy

concepts to 'prove' our hypotesis, relying on 'intution', or what not. Sabri,

I'd share my opinion on this- don't bother to remember all yogas- memorize

basics, clues, which will allow you to recognize qualities within the bigger

pattern, you can find yogas easily- just make your own reference book as you

study, it will play the role of your 'extrended' memory and will be nicely

stored "somewhere" always available to you when you need it- before it becomes

/to a bigger extent/ your 'property', before it becomes 'internalized'- nothing

new, applies to the process of acquiring knowledge in general- if one is serious

about that. I'd say, rely on mercury first /and Saturn, my favourite

/maraka/planet/, and disciline your 'Jupiter'- intuition and 'higher-order'

faculties will come later- Only 'informed intuition' is reliable- so study

honestly first. That's my proven path- you may find you own. Good Luck, Sabri

-------------- Besides, Jay, even those with

good memory capacity, have to know priorities, order of importance as I say, of

ino in order for them to study in an organized way- That's me perhaps, I don't

believe in 'pick-and-chose' 'intuitive' un/dis/organized etc approcah to any

study, Jyotish neither. So, when you experienced Jyotishi analyze the chart, it

would be very useful for students if you would 'clasify' that order in analysis,

paying bit more attention to explaining the method- most would benefit

themselves from the very attempt to do so. Thanks, Anna Jay Weiss

<jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote: