Guest guest Posted March 2, 2003 Report Share Posted March 2, 2003 Dear all, I thought to add another source to the definition of a lunar year which I think is unknown to most of you. A biblical lunar year (and Moon based calendar) is equivalent to 355 days. The Hebrew word for year is "Shana" which is exactly 355 in Hebrew letters value (numerology). Interesting, isn't it ? Kind regards Jay Weiss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Jay, Here you are talking of the Soli-Lunar Calender with the Adhika Masa. Each Sol-Lunar Month is of 29.5.. days. For twelve such month it becomes 354... which when rounded of yeilds 355 days, this falls short of 11 days from the solar year of Solar Calender. I understand this is the basis for islamic calendar too. Best Wishes Sarajit - Jay Weiss vedic astrology Monday, March 03, 2003 5:31 AM [vedic astrology] Lunar year - additional knowledge Dear all, I thought to add another source to the definition of a lunar year which I think is unknown to most of you. A biblical lunar year (and Moon based calendar) is equivalent to 355 days. The Hebrew word for year is "Shana" which is exactly 355 in Hebrew letters value (numerology). Interesting, isn't it ? Kind regards Jay Weiss Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote: > MessageJaya Jagannath > Dear Jay, > > Here you are talking of the Soli-Lunar Calender with the Adhika >Masa. What is meant by luni-solar calender? Do you add 'adhika maasa' randomly? The proponents of such calender should explain the differences among lunar, solar and luni-solar. > Each Sol-Lunar Month is of 29.5.. days. For twelve such month it >becomes 354... which when rounded of yeilds 355 days, this falls >short of 11 days from the solar year of Solar Calender. > > I understand this is the basis for islamic calendar too. > > Best Wishes > Sarajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 Jai ShreeRam Calandar which depends only on sun - surya- 's movement is called solar-souraman- clandar. If the calandar depends on Moon's movement it's Lunar-Chandramaan. If your calandar is based on both luminaries then it's luni-solar calandar. Lunar calandar may use new moon as the beginning of a month, where as sankaranthi would be used as beginning of the new month in a solar system. As moon takes less than a month to pass the zodiac total of 12 lunar months will be less than a solar year. So the learnt have found out that in every lunar month if one sankranthi (sun crossing a sign) present means it's OK. If there lies no Sankranthi, Then it's Kshay Maas. If you have more than one sankranthi falls in between 2 new moons. Then a month is added calling Adhik Maas. So as long as you have one sankranthi in one lunar month you will automatically following the solar calandar. that is Luni-Solar calandar. Arunkumar > > What is meant by luni-solar calender? > Do you add 'adhika maasa' randomly? > The proponents of such calender should explain the differences among > lunar, solar and luni-solar. > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release 18-02-03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 Dear Sarajit. Very true - that is why an extra month is added every 4th year in order to adjust the 'imballance'. Kind regards Jay - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:20 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Lunar year - additional knowledge Jaya Jagannath Dear Jay, Here you are talking of the Soli-Lunar Calender with the Adhika Masa. Each Sol-Lunar Month is of 29.5.. days. For twelve such month it becomes 354... which when rounded of yeilds 355 days, this falls short of 11 days from the solar year of Solar Calender. I understand this is the basis for islamic calendar too. Best Wishes Sarajit - Jay Weiss vedic astrology Monday, March 03, 2003 5:31 AM [vedic astrology] Lunar year - additional knowledge Dear all, I thought to add another source to the definition of a lunar year which I think is unknown to most of you. A biblical lunar year (and Moon based calendar) is equivalent to 355 days. The Hebrew word for year is "Shana" which is exactly 355 in Hebrew letters value (numerology). Interesting, isn't it ? Kind regards Jay Weiss Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2003 Report Share Posted March 5, 2003 A presupposition: traditional panchanga = luni-solar calender. Under what circumstances *traditional panchanga* behaves like solar calender and lunar calender? Let me cite an example for lunar calender: Islamic calender: 1 month = 1 orbital revolution of moon around earth; 12 such months constitute a year, or lunar year as per Islamic definition. This 'Islamic year' has *no* astronomical significance. vedic astrology, "Arunkumar" <abhay@e...> wrote: > Jai ShreeRam > > Calandar which depends only on sun - surya- 's movement is called > solar-souraman- clandar. If the calandar depends on Moon's movement it's > Lunar-Chandramaan. If your calandar is based on both luminaries then it's > luni-solar calandar. Lunar calandar may use new moon as the beginning of a > month, where as sankaranthi would be used as beginning of the new month in a > solar system. As moon takes less than a month to pass the zodiac total of > 12 lunar months will be less than a solar year. > > So the learnt have found out that in every lunar month if one sankranthi > (sun crossing a sign) present means it's OK. If there lies no Sankranthi, > Then it's Kshay Maas. If you have more than one sankranthi falls in between > 2 new moons. Then a month is added calling Adhik Maas. So as long as you > have one sankranthi in one lunar month you will automatically following the > solar calandar. that is Luni-Solar calandar. > > Arunkumar > > > > What is meant by luni-solar calender? > > Do you add 'adhika maasa' randomly? > > The proponents of such calender should explain the differences among > > lunar, solar and luni-solar. > > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release 18-02-03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2003 Report Share Posted March 5, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Venkatesh, If Islamic calender had been only a true lunar calender then their year length would have been approximate 328 days, whereas we know that it is 354 days. This is on the same basis, the islamic calendar moves back every year by approx. 11 days. A true lunar calendar will have only 27.33 days, which is the duration of moon's rotation in the zodiac, whereas it is 29.5 from the fact that the year length is 354 days. Moreover a tithi based year has to be a Luni-Solar calendar. The only difference which Islamic calendar has with Hindu calendar is that they don't equate the Luni-solar calendar with a Solar Calendar, which Hindu does. They have a sound astronomical basis, in my view as they follow the motions of the lumineries, not like the western calender which has arbitrarily 28 days in a month and 31days in other. They fiddle around with that whenever necessary. Best regards Sarajit - "venkateshwara_reddy" <venkateshwara_reddy <vedic astrology> Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:49 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Lunar year - additional knowledge > A presupposition: traditional panchanga = luni-solar calender. > > Under what circumstances *traditional panchanga* behaves like solar > calender and lunar calender? > > Let me cite an example for lunar calender: > > Islamic calender: 1 month = 1 orbital revolution of moon around > earth; 12 such months constitute a year, or lunar year as per Islamic > definition. This 'Islamic year' has *no* astronomical significance. > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Arunkumar" <abhay@e...> > wrote: > > Jai ShreeRam > > > > Calandar which depends only on sun - surya- 's movement is called > > solar-souraman- clandar. If the calandar depends on Moon's > movement it's > > Lunar-Chandramaan. If your calandar is based on both luminaries > then it's > > luni-solar calandar. Lunar calandar may use new moon as the > beginning of a > > month, where as sankaranthi would be used as beginning of the new > month in a > > solar system. As moon takes less than a month to pass the zodiac > total of > > 12 lunar months will be less than a solar year. > > > > So the learnt have found out that in every lunar month if one > sankranthi > > (sun crossing a sign) present means it's OK. If there lies no > Sankranthi, > > Then it's Kshay Maas. If you have more than one sankranthi falls in > between > > 2 new moons. Then a month is added calling Adhik Maas. So as long > as you > > have one sankranthi in one lunar month you will automatically > following the > > solar calandar. that is Luni-Solar calandar. > > > > Arunkumar > > > > > > What is meant by luni-solar calender? > > > Do you add 'adhika maasa' randomly? > > > The proponents of such calender should explain the differences > among > > > lunar, solar and luni-solar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release 18-02-03 > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 This is 365.25 days: The Lunar year based on the Moon making a revolution arond the Earth. This is about 28.5 days. 12 such months make a Lunar Year. This will be 355 days. To make up this difference in the Solar and Lunar years, an addittional month Called ADHIKA Masa is added to the Lunar Calender. The Sun normally changes his Rasi, once in every Lunar Month. However, if the SUN remains in the Same Rasi in a Lunar Month, then that Month is Made the Adhik Masa, and the Next One with the same Name, is called the NIJA month. The Adhika Month comes once in 3 years, approximately. A lunar Month becomes Adhika once In 19 years, approximately. Roughly once in 179 yrs, Sun changes Rasi, twice in a Lunar Month. In such a Luanr Year we hve 2 adhikas and 1 KHSAYA MASA. The Muslim calender is a pur Lunar Year. venkateshwara_reddy <venkateshwara_reddy > wrote: vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote:> MessageJaya Jagannath> Dear Jay,> > Here you are talking of the Soli-Lunar Calender with the Adhika >Masa.What is meant by luni-solar calender?Do you add 'adhika maasa' randomly?The proponents of such calender should explain the differences among lunar, solar and luni-solar.> Each Sol-Lunar Month is of 29.5.. days. For twelve such month it >becomes 354... which when rounded of yeilds 355 days, this falls >short of 11 days from the solar year of Solar Calender.> > I understand this is the basis for islamic calendar too.> > Best Wishes> SarajitArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Do you ? Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Dear Sridhar and Sarajit To Sridhar, > A solar year is the Period taken by the Earth making one revolution >around the Sun. A common understanding: A rotational spin around its own axis --ahoraatri or day/night cycle An orbital spin(revolution) around higher layer--year. For example galactic year--one orbital spin/revolution of solar system-as-a-whole around milkyway galactic centre(aakaashaganga galactic centre0; this is called 'brahma varsha'(in one reference frame), 'brahma samvatsara'(in sidereal frame) Likewise solar year-earth revolution aroun sun; varsha-equinox to equinox, samvatsara--yugaadi to yugaadi(How come samvatsara become lunar year?) > To make up this "difference" in the Solar and Lunar years, an addittional month Called ADHIKA Masa is added to the Lunar Calender. The Sun normally changes his Rasi, once in every Lunar Month. However, if the SUN remains in the Same Rasi in a Lunar Month, then that Month is Made the Adhik Masa, and the Next One with the same Name, is called the NIJA month. The Adhika Month comes once in 3 >years, approximately. A lunar Month becomes Adhika once In 19 >years, approximately. Placing adhika, laya maasa-s yugaadi, manvaadi etc are based on SUN and MOON wrt nakshatra-s. Word jugglary(like we see Brown Indologist Pingree's writing on Indic astronomy) does not improve our understanding. > Roughly once in 179 yrs, Sun changes Rasi, twice in a Lunar Month. >In such a Luanr Year we hve 2 adhikas and 1 KHSAYA MASA. traditional panchanga makers wont follow this 'business of corrections ' Dear Sarajit, > Moreover a tithi based year has to be a Luni-Solar calendar. Let us forget about 'Islamic calender' and its precession. And traditional panchanga wont precess(I meant traditional yugaadi and traditional maasa-s). It is purely observational wrt distant skies(nakshatra-s) and r`tu-s & seasons are noted along the way. Varsha begins on spring equinox(vasanta r`tu), and samvatsara begins on yugaadi. There are no such 'tithi-year', and 'lunar-samvatsara', imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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