RE: Lenght of years and dasas, Basics-Consensus?

[Guest guest]

Dear Anna and other's,

Surya Siddhanta specifies 4 types of days and years- Nakshatra, Saura,

Savana, Lunar. Each year consists of 12 months, each month of 30 days, the

difference is that the lenght of the days are different and thus the lenght of

the year.

 

Nakshatra year is the time it takes for the earth to revolve once on its axis,

23 hours, 56 minutes and 4 seconds. 360 nakshatra days is a nakshatra year

lasting a bit more than 359.0167 days.

 

The Sauru year is the time it takes for the Sun to move through the ayanas and

equinox, though many are erroneously basing Saura year on sidereal rasis

instead of equinoxes. Surya SIddhanta is very specific on Saura year being

based on equinoxes. That makes a Saura year 365.2422 days long.

 

Savana days is the time from one sunrise to the next. 360 savana days is a

Savana year. That is the 360 day year.

 

Lunar year is based on 360 tithis, whihc comes to about 354 days.

 

Surya Siddhanta specifies the use of most of these years. Lunar time is meant to

be used for shaving, ceremonies, etc- basically Muhurta in which the lunar year,

month and tithi are most important for.

 

Savana days are meant to be used for regulating the time of sacrifices. Savana

is loosely translated as Civil, since it is the days of the week as the common

man knows them, monday, tuesday, etc. Savana actually means, that which

determines the three periods of Soma libation that was done at sunrise, noon

and sunset.

 

Sauru years is meant to be used for deteriming the ayana, equinox, ritus and sankranti.

 

The only year Surya Siddhanta does not give a use of is nakshatra year, though

that is the first measure of time that it gives.

 

No where does Surya Siddhanta give which year is meant to be used for dasas.

 

I use Saura year (365.2422 days) for vimshottari dasa, since vimshottari is

based on the natural lenght of man, which is 120 Saura years, so it should be

based on Saura years. If you are looking at an animals chart, classics

reccomend that you calculate vimshottari for the time of the animals natural

length of life, so we see vimshottari lengths are based on natural lenght of

life.

 

I have also used Saura year in rasi dasas, though I have had my wife program

nakshatra year and all the rest into our software and have been experimenting

with using nakshatra year for variable lenght rasi dasas and have had very

promising results, though these thigns always need to be tested for years, not

days or months.

 

There is no sidereal year of the sort as named in the west in Vedic astronomy.

That means there is no year of the Sun returning to the same sidereal place.

The reason is is that a year to be relevent to earth has to have earht

involved. The Sun returning to the same sidereal place only takes into account

the Sun and the Stars. The other years all have the earht as a significant

component. Nakshatra year is based on earth rotating in relationship to the

nakshatras. Savana year is based on earth rotation in relationship to the SUn,

for sunrise to sunrise. Saura year is based on sun movement relevat to the

equinoxes, which are casued by the earth's equator and its axial tilt. Lunar

year is based on relationship of the Sun to the Moon as it revolved around the

Earth. The lunar days are only formed due to the moon rotating around the

earth.

 

Jai Ram,

Ernst Wilhelm

www.vedic astrology.net

Kala Vedic Astrology Software and Jyotish Books

 

 

 

Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Sent:

Sunday, March 02, 2003 10:41 AMvedic astrologySubject: Re:

[vedic astrology] Basics-Consensus?

Dear Anna,

I agree that 360/year should be used for Vinshottary Dasha.Vedic calendar is a

lunar calendar and Lunar month is of 30 days.Again Vinshottary Dashas are based

on Moon's position at the time of birth, thus 360 days being the right choice.

About Dashas to be used, Laghuparashari says that the parameters indicated are

for Vinshottary Dasha. This therefore appears to be the Dasha system that one

could use with a degree of accuracy.

I agree with you that using using different systems could cause confusion, at

least for the students.Others might have different views.

Chandrashekhar.

-

j.b

vedic astrology ; gjlist

Sunday, March 02, 2003 1:52 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Basics-Consensus?

Dear all, This seems to be fundamental issue- I would greatly appreciate your

response. I'd like to know which dasha year you use, and if possible, why- 360

or 365.25 I think that Narasimha suggested 360 and I assume that HLite is set

uo that way too. With other softwares we can choose the option. Now, we have

various dasha systems- besides Vimshotary. And we can use it from Lagna and

Moon. In addition to V. and Jaimini, which ones do you recommend?

___________________ If I

speculate on this further, if we use various dosha, and diferent d.year choce,

number of combinations becomes so high, that it doesn't make sense- chances are

that one can always find one that works for a partucular uccurence, that means-

poor validity. I don't think that's happenning, and I would like to hear if

there is generally accepted consnsus on D.Year and which doshas we should use

and for what purposes.

---

However if there is no clear cinsensus, I think that one shoud start

presentation at least with info on which calendar uses, since we depend so much

on proper calculations In any event, opinion of those experineced would be

necessary guidance for students which would prevent their being unnecessarily

sidetracked from studying more important things. Thanks. Anna

 

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for this very educative post.

As I see, various options you clearly defined, are to be tested. I made an

assumption that those practicing vedic for long time, have done that already.

Now I see it's 'common' /in astrology/ situation: 'test and see what works for

you'

In any event, your information fills the gap in my understanding- At least I

will know what I am using, if not exactly why.

 

Thank you very much again.

 

Regards,

 

Anna

 

Ernst Wilhelm <ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Anna and other's,

Surya Siddhanta specifies 4 types of days and years- Nakshatra, Saura,

Savana, Lunar. Each year consists of 12 months, each month of 30 days, the

difference is that the lenght of the days are different and thus the lenght of

the year.

 

Nakshatra year is the time it takes for the earth to revolve once on its axis,

23 hours, 56 minutes and 4 seconds. 360 nakshatra days is a nakshatra year

lasting a bit more than 359.0167 days.

 

The Sauru year is the time it takes for the Sun to move through the ayanas and

equinox, though many are erroneously basing Saura year on sidereal rasis

instead of equinoxes. Surya SIddhanta is very specific on Saura year being

based on equinoxes. That makes a Saura year 365.2422 days long.

 

Savana days is the time from one sunrise to the next. 360 savana days is a

Savana year. That is the 360 day year.

 

Lunar year is based on 360 tithis, whihc comes to about 354 days.

 

Surya Siddhanta specifies the use of most of these years. Lunar time is meant to

be used for shaving, ceremonies, etc- basically Muhurta in which the lunar year,

month and tithi are most important for.

 

Savana days are meant to be used for regulating the time of sacrifices. Savana

is loosely translated as Civil, since it is the days of the week as the common

man knows them, monday, tuesday, etc. Savana actually means, that which

determines the three periods of Soma libation that was done at sunrise, noon

and sunset.

 

Sauru years is meant to be used for deteriming the ayana, equinox, ritus and sankranti.

 

The only year Surya Siddhanta does not give a use of is nakshatra year, though

that is the first measure of time that it gives.

 

No where does Surya Siddhanta give which year is meant to be used for dasas.

 

I use Saura year (365.2422 days) for vimshottari dasa, since vimshottari is

based on the natural lenght of man, which is 120 Saura years, so it should be

based on Saura years. If you are looking at an animals chart, classics

reccomend that you calculate vimshottari for the time of the animals natural

length of life, so we see vimshottari lengths are based on natural lenght of

life.

 

I have also used Saura year in rasi dasas, though I have had my wife program

nakshatra year and all the rest into our software and have been experimenting

with using nakshatra year for variable lenght rasi dasas and have had very

promising results, though these thigns always need to be tested for years, not

days or months.

 

There is no sidereal year of the sort as named in the west in Vedic astronomy.

That means there is no year of the Sun returning to the same sidereal place.

The reason is is that a year to be relevent to earth has to have earht

involved. The Sun returning to the same sidereal place only takes into account

the Sun and the Stars. The other years all have the earht as a significant

component. Nakshatra year is based on earth rotating in relationship to the

nakshatras. Savana year is based on earth rotation in relationship to the SUn,

for sunrise to sunrise. Saura year is based on sun movement relevat to the

equinoxes, which are casued by the earth's equator and its axial tilt. Lunar

year is based on relationship of the Sun to the Moon as it revolved around the

Earth. The lunar days are only formed due to the moon rotating around the

earth.

 

Jai Ram,

 

Ernst Wilhelm

 

www.vedic astrology.net

Kala Vedic Astrology Software and Jyotish Books

 

 

 

Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Sent:

Sunday, March 02, 2003 10:41 AMvedic astrologySubject: Re:

[vedic astrology] Basics-Consensus?

Dear Anna,

I agree that 360/year should be used for Vinshottary Dasha.Vedic calendar is a

lunar calendar and Lunar month is of 30 days.Again Vinshottary Dashas are based

on Moon's position at the time of birth, thus 360 days being the right choice.

About Dashas to be used, Laghuparashari says that the parameters indicated are

for Vinshottary Dasha. This therefore appears to be the Dasha system that one

could use with a degree of accuracy.

I agree with you that using using different systems could cause confusion, at

least for the students.Others might have different views.

Chandrashekhar.

-

j.b

vedic astrology ; gjlist

Sunday, March 02, 2003 1:52 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Basics-Consensus?

Dear all, This seems to be fundamental issue- I would greatly appreciate your

response. I'd like to know which dasha year you use, and if possible, why- 360

or 365.25 I think that Narasimha suggested 360 and I assume that HLite is set

uo that way too. With other softwares we can choose the option. Now, we have

various dasha systems- besides Vimshotary. And we can use it from Lagna and

Moon. In addition to V. and Jaimini, which ones do you recommend?

___________________ If I

speculate on this further, if we use various dosha, and diferent d.year choce,

number of combinations becomes so high, that it doesn't make sense- chances are

that one can always find one that works for a partucular uccurence, that means-

poor validity. I don't think that's happenning, and I would like to hear if

there is generally accepted consnsus on D.Year and which doshas we should use

and for what purposes.

---

However if there is no clear cinsensus, I think that one shoud start

presentation at least with info on which calendar uses, since we depend so much

on proper calculations In any event, opinion of those experineced would be

necessary guidance for students which would prevent their being unnecessarily

sidetracked from studying more important things. Thanks. Anna

 

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