Moksha/Karakamsa/Ishta D

February 20, 2003

Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) k> wrote:

Hare Rama Krsna

Dear Ramapriya,

The word Karakamsa is a reference to the Atmakarakas Navamsa sign, as you know.

KN Rao however feels that the yogas to the same should be seen in Rasi, i.e. to

the same navamsa sign in the rasi chart.

Now we get to Karakamsa-ka. This is a reference to the Navamsa sign of

Atmakaraka in the Rasi chart.. maybe KN Rao missed this i dunno. Infact he uses

Asta-ka-varga (8 vargas in the rasi chart) quite extensively, yet has failed to

see the link .

G.Gomez says: 'This sign in the Navamsa in which the Atma Karaka falls is

extremely important. According to one school of thought, this sign assumes a

special status called the Karakamsa - sorry, I copied this-

but he accepts KN Rao opinion that when this sign is moved to Rashi- /from

Navamsa- it becomes Karakamsa-

1-Would you please comment on this? My understanding is that the general rule is

as in bold letters-S.Rath seems to propose this -that KK is position of AK in

Navasma- is that correct?

2-Again following KN Rao line of thought, GG says:The Navamsa position of the

atmakaraka then becomes an entity called a Swamsa chart-/me:!

My understanding is that in this case we have kk1, kind of-regular, in navamsa,

and kk2,moved to Rashi

-which is suggested as a useful tool to be analized from Navamsa and Rashi

Is that right?

3-However that creates a problem-when we say that ISHTA DEVATA is the planet in

12th, DO WE CONSIDER 12 as

a/from AK position in Navamsa

b/AK positition in Navamsa 'relocated' to Rashi, i.e, as per above

Initially my understanding is that it is a/?

Second look at what Sanjay wrote seems can apply to both situations.

Would you please clarify this

Thanks.

Anna

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Ramapriya D

vedic astrology

Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:54 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Info about Moksha combination

Dear DKD,My comments under yours...-"Dhira

Krsna BCS" <Dhira.Krsna.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net>To:

<vedic astrology>Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:09

AM[vedic astrology] Info about Moksha combination> Dear Ramapriya,>>

Hare Rama Krsna!>> >k'sha or k'shaka>> If karakamsha is seen from Atmakaraka's

position in Navamsa, then I don't> understand how Narasimha comes to such high

percentage as 16% of the> populace will have this? I'm not conversant with the

term karakamshaka> yet, what is meant here?Er.. but it wasn't me that suggested

16%, mate. Even I was left thinking atthat figure. K'shaka I think is the

dispositor of the K'sha. If Mo is AK andin Aq, I guess Sa or Ra get to be

k'shaka.> According to my understanding, moksha is extremely rare, and that 16%

of> Earth's population would attain that sounds unbelievable to me. Understand>

that one has to be <completely> free from material desires at the time of>

death to attain moksha. Now how can one be completely free from desires,>

except the desire to attain the spiritual abode? Thus the determination> from

karakamsha and Ketu sounds acceptable to me, however, there may be> more

things, this cannot be the only rule for determining moksha.My knowledge about

moksha is still quite meager, but think of it this way.While the world

population is on the rise, you can't deny that birth ratesin most places are

falling (let's not for now consider exceptions likeCanada who allow Indians to

immigrate so that the population there increases:)). So where are the ones

dying going? This might be too absurdlysimplistic an angle to be viewing

something as divine as moksha, but I don'tknow much more on this.> I found an

additional rule in "Predictive Astrology" under the 12th house:> 'If the three

ascendants (lagna, Moon and Sun), the twelfth house, and> their owners are

influenced by satvik planets, and the fourth house, its> owner and the Moon are

under the influence of Saturn, the native attains> moksha'. .... sounds a bit

more strict than the rule of karakamsha and> Ketu. BTW, I have karakamsha in

Pisces!Good luck. We can always meet later ;)Warm

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I was digging further into this- the answer seems to be as per b/-bellow

So we have two charts to consider- -one is karakamsha -with first house being

where AKNavamsa falls in Rashi- and Ishta Devata is 12th from it

-second is Swamsha chart

As per Rao's suggestion- if that's right, then I don't understand what you were

refering to when you said in your post:"

Now we get to Karakamsa-ka. This is a reference to the Navamsa sign of

Atmakaraka in the Rasi chart.. maybe KN Rao missed this i dunno. Infact he uses

Asta-ka-varga (8 vargas in the rasi chart) quite extensively, yet has failed to

see the link .

If you would elaborate on this in more detail, would be great.

This AK issue seems to be fundamental.

Thanks,

Anna

"j.b" <bona_mente > wrote:

Dear Visti, Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) k> wrote: