Guest guest Posted February 18, 2003 Report Share Posted February 18, 2003 Dear Ramapriya, Hare Rama Krsna! >k'sha or k'shaka If karakamsha is seen from Atmakaraka's position in Navamsa, then I don't understand how Narasimha comes to such high percentage as 16% of the populace will have this? I'm not conversant with the term karakamshaka yet, what is meant here? According to my understanding, moksha is extremely rare, and that 16% of Earth's population would attain that sounds unbelievable to me. Understand that one has to be <completely> free from material desires at the time of death to attain moksha. Now how can one be completely free from desires, except the desire to attain the spiritual abode? Thus the determination from karakamsha and Ketu sounds acceptable to me, however, there may be more things, this cannot be the only rule for determining moksha. I found an additional rule in "Predictive Astrology" under the 12th house: 'If the three ascendants (lagna, Moon and Sun), the twelfth house, and their owners are influenced by satvik planets, and the fourth house, its owner and the Moon are under the influence of Saturn, the native attains moksha'. .... sounds a bit more strict than the rule of karakamsha and Ketu. BTW, I have karakamsha in Pisces! Have you received my latest letter to you? I did not receive a reply yet, so I was wondering if you got it? Yours sincerely, Dhira Krsna dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2003 Report Share Posted February 18, 2003 Dear DKD, My comments under yours... - "Dhira Krsna BCS" <Dhira.Krsna.BCS <vedic astrology> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:09 AM [vedic astrology] Info about Moksha combination > Dear Ramapriya, > > Hare Rama Krsna! > > >k'sha or k'shaka > > If karakamsha is seen from Atmakaraka's position in Navamsa, then I don't > understand how Narasimha comes to such high percentage as 16% of the > populace will have this? I'm not conversant with the term karakamshaka > yet, what is meant here? Er.. but it wasn't me that suggested 16%, mate. Even I was left thinking at that figure. K'shaka I think is the dispositor of the K'sha. If Mo is AK and in Aq, I guess Sa or Ra get to be k'shaka. > According to my understanding, moksha is extremely rare, and that 16% of > Earth's population would attain that sounds unbelievable to me. Understand > that one has to be <completely> free from material desires at the time of > death to attain moksha. Now how can one be completely free from desires, > except the desire to attain the spiritual abode? Thus the determination > from karakamsha and Ketu sounds acceptable to me, however, there may be > more things, this cannot be the only rule for determining moksha. My knowledge about moksha is still quite meager, but think of it this way. While the world population is on the rise, you can't deny that birth rates in most places are falling (let's not for now consider exceptions like Canada who allow Indians to immigrate so that the population there increases ). So where are the ones dying going? This might be too absurdly simplistic an angle to be viewing something as divine as moksha, but I don't know much more on this. > I found an additional rule in "Predictive Astrology" under the 12th house: > 'If the three ascendants (lagna, Moon and Sun), the twelfth house, and > their owners are influenced by satvik planets, and the fourth house, its > owner and the Moon are under the influence of Saturn, the native attains > moksha'. .... sounds a bit more strict than the rule of karakamsha and > Ketu. BTW, I have karakamsha in Pisces! Good luck. We can always meet later Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Ramapriya, The word Karakamsa is a reference to the Atmakarakas Navamsa sign, as you know. KN Rao however feels that the yogas to the same should be seen in Rasi, i.e. to the same navamsa sign in the rasi chart. Now we get to Karakamsa-ka. This is a reference to the Navamsa sign of Atmakaraka in the Rasi chart.. maybe KN Rao missed this i dunno. Infact he uses Asta-ka-varga (8 vargas in the rasi chart) quite extensively, yet has failed to see the link . Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:54 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Info about Moksha combination Dear DKD,My comments under yours...-"Dhira Krsna BCS" <Dhira.Krsna.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net>To: <vedic astrology>Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:09 AM[vedic astrology] Info about Moksha combination> Dear Ramapriya,>> Hare Rama Krsna!>> >k'sha or k'shaka>> If karakamsha is seen from Atmakaraka's position in Navamsa, then I don't> understand how Narasimha comes to such high percentage as 16% of the> populace will have this? I'm not conversant with the term karakamshaka> yet, what is meant here?Er.. but it wasn't me that suggested 16%, mate. Even I was left thinking atthat figure. K'shaka I think is the dispositor of the K'sha. If Mo is AK andin Aq, I guess Sa or Ra get to be k'shaka.> According to my understanding, moksha is extremely rare, and that 16% of> Earth's population would attain that sounds unbelievable to me. Understand> that one has to be <completely> free from material desires at the time of> death to attain moksha. Now how can one be completely free from desires,> except the desire to attain the spiritual abode? Thus the determination> from karakamsha and Ketu sounds acceptable to me, however, there may be> more things, this cannot be the only rule for determining moksha.My knowledge about moksha is still quite meager, but think of it this way.While the world population is on the rise, you can't deny that birth ratesin most places are falling (let's not for now consider exceptions likeCanada who allow Indians to immigrate so that the population there increases:)). So where are the ones dying going? This might be too absurdlysimplistic an angle to be viewing something as divine as moksha, but I don'tknow much more on this.> I found an additional rule in "Predictive Astrology" under the 12th house:> 'If the three ascendants (lagna, Moon and Sun), the twelfth house, and> their owners are influenced by satvik planets, and the fourth house, its> owner and the Moon are under the influence of Saturn, the native attains> moksha'. .... sounds a bit more strict than the rule of karakamsha and> Ketu. BTW, I have karakamsha in Pisces!Good luck. We can always meet later ;)Warm regards,Ramapriyahubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) comArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Dhira Krishna, For purpose of moksha, if the 12th house is owned by AK himself, who is a malefic, should the lordship be treated as sattwik (read benefic) or otherwise? Regards, Lakshmi vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS" <Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote: > I found an additional rule in "Predictive Astrology" under the 12th house: > 'If the three ascendants (lagna, Moon and Sun), the twelfth house, and > their owners are influenced by satvik planets, and the fourth house, its > owner and the Moon are under the influence of Saturn, the native attains > moksha'. .... sounds a bit more strict than the rule of karakamsha and > Ketu. BTW, I have karakamsha in Pisces! > > Yours sincerely, > Dhira Krsna dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Sadashiv, Namaste. - Sadashiv Dharwarkar vedic astrology Tuesday, February 18, 2003 5:28 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Info about Moksha combination Dear Gauranga Dasji, I think the strength of combination in the chart is because of the past karma because of which we are born with that combination, not other way around. This is definitely so, as the Jataka will describe our prarabdha-karma, as I explained in an earlier email. I mentioned it in this way because we infer to the karma inherited from the past birth with the help of analysing the combinations in the chart. The causeal relationship is of course as you have mentioned. Now another interesting tought: If one had some desire to be reborn in the world, could his Jaataka alone show a definite Moksha at the end of the present life? Of course to my opinion, it would not happen automatically, but the individual's effort (see Paraakrama Bala in the 3rd house) and personal free will are involved. On the other hand, the progress on the spiritual path may have been very good in his last li,fe, which will be seen from the factors mentioned by me in the previous email. In this case a little effort may be enough, no hter words the native will be saintly from his birth or childhood, so then Moksha may be taken almost for granted. Sree Krishna explains in the Bhagavad-geeta tto Arjuna's question, what happens to a yogi who has not completed his spiritual advancement to 100%. He says that the yogi goes to the planets of the pious, and then after coming back, he is born in the families of pious or rich people, if he has completed only some advancement, or will be born in the family of saintly persons, if he was already very advanced. Therefore R-12 may have a lot to say about past karma or ist manifestation, as well as higher D-charts i.e. D-40, 45 and 60 should all be thoroughly analysed for past karma. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear members, Namaste. In my opinion any statistical calculation based on mathematical models may prove to be fallacious in the case of astrological charts. Thios may be for several reasons: 1. We assume that the planets have an equal chance to appear in the different signs and combine there. however it is absoultely no way to rpove this. Therefore to have a certain planet in the 12th from Karakamsha, may be much rarer than we point out statistically. Also there is no way to predict statistically, how much is the chance of a certain planet to become the AK and be placed in a certain Navamsha. 2. We assume that people are born in equal intervals covering a span of time, but this may absolutely not be so. Espacially when we hear from Brihat Jataka etc. that at certain points of time only humans, while at other times only animals or plants are born. So it is impossible to statistically determine how many percents of the population will have a certain combination in their charts. Therefroe I suggest to stick to the classics in judging yogas in the charts. Of course we should not shun the principle that some yogas have much more strinct rules of formation than ohters, and usually these specific yogas will show more strength and more exact results if they occur. On the other hand, less strict yogas may indeed appear in a lot of charts, therefore such a specific and outstanding result may not be expected only based on these factors. A good example of this is the Naabhaasa yogas, where Varaha Mihira even specifies an order of application based on the strictness of the rule. In this way Saamkhya yogas come last in the line, as their rule is the least strict. In the case of Naabhaasa yogas, or solar or lunar yogas usually additional yogas should be found to support the same result. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - "Dhira Krsna BCS" <Dhira.Krsna.BCS <vedic astrology> Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:39 PM [vedic astrology] Info about Moksha combination > Dear Ramapriya, > > Hare Rama Krsna! > > >k'sha or k'shaka > > If karakamsha is seen from Atmakaraka's position in Navamsa, then I don't > understand how Narasimha comes to such high percentage as 16% of the > populace will have this? I'm not conversant with the term karakamshaka > yet, what is meant here? > > According to my understanding, moksha is extremely rare, and that 16% of > Earth's population would attain that sounds unbelievable to me. Understand > that one has to be <completely> free from material desires at the time of > death to attain moksha. Now how can one be completely free from desires, > except the desire to attain the spiritual abode? Thus the determination > from karakamsha and Ketu sounds acceptable to me, however, there may be > more things, this cannot be the only rule for determining moksha. > > I found an additional rule in "Predictive Astrology" under the 12th house: > 'If the three ascendants (lagna, Moon and Sun), the twelfth house, and > their owners are influenced by satvik planets, and the fourth house, its > owner and the Moon are under the influence of Saturn, the native attains > moksha'. .... sounds a bit more strict than the rule of karakamsha and > Ketu. BTW, I have karakamsha in Pisces! > > Have you received my latest letter to you? I did not receive a reply yet, > so I was wondering if you got it? > > Yours sincerely, > Dhira Krsna dasa > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Dear Lakshmi, Hare Rama Krsna! >For purpose of moksha, if the 12th house is owned by AK himself, who >is a malefic, should the lordship be treated as sattwik (read >benefic) or otherwise? No, it would have to be a natural benefic placed there or aspecting. However, the AK or 12th lord doesn't need to be a benefic, but there should be benefics aspecting 12th house and it's lord. Yours sincerely, Dhira Krsna dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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