Info about Moksha combination

[Guest guest]

Dear Sundeep,

 

To those like me who're zilch in math, could you please explain some of the

figures you've stated?

 

For example: "Assuming everything is independent, 16% of all people would

have Ke in 4th or 12th. If you additionally put the Pi and Cn limitation,

you cut it down to about 3% of the population." However so?? If it was Ke

being in 4th or 12th from the asc, I can understand the 16% thing, but this

combo is for k'sha or k'shaka. When a slow-moving planet gets to be the AK

(like now for example), Ke won't be in 4th or 12th from k'sha for quite a

while. In fact, the closest possibility to a straight-line determination

like you've posited comes when the faster ones like Mo, Su, Me or Ve get to

be AK.

 

I also don't know why, like you say, only a very small percentage of the

populace needs to be heading for moksha.

 

By stating the impossibility of a guy getting moksha when Ra gets to be the

AK, I think you've played the devil's advocate (rightly) against k'sha.

K'shaka looks the more probable term, and correct too.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli

 

 

-

<vedicastrostudent

<vedic astrology>

Monday, February 17, 2003 11:45 AM

[vedic astrology] Info about Moksha combination (related to the

Rational Thinking post)

 

 

> Dear all especially PVR guru,

> You very right ly pointed out the fact that we should do a sanity

> check to see how probable the occurrence of a combination is

> before pronouncing it as the determinant of a particular

> condition/event. I do this all the time but dont always end up

> satisfied.

>

> In exactly this vein, note that the frequently cited combinations for

> Moksha are:

> 1) Karakamsa in Pisces (a variation I have heard is

> Karakamshaka in Pisces)

> 2) 4th or 12th from Karakamsa has Ketu. Additional things I

> have heard is that this sign (4th or 12th) from Karakamsa should

> be a saatwik sign e.g. Pisces or Cancer.

>

> Now looking at the first combination, the probability is 1/12,

> right? i.e 8% (I havent done a detailed conditional probability

> study - just assuming everything is independent)

> Looking at the second combination, again,

>

> However, all these numbers sound way too high to me (even 3%

> is too high). Even if you look at many charts blindly and apply

> these rules, you will see a number of people seemingly headed

> towards Moksha - people you would not ordinarily suspect - e.g.

> George W. Bush has Ketu in 12th from Karakamsa. So

> obviously there are other combinations which are FAR more

> strict that these ones - why are these ones cited then, and what

> are those more strict combinations? Realistically, we should

> see these moksha combinations in about 1 in 1 million people

> i.e. 0.0001% or less. In a related point people with Rahu

> Atmakaraka should never achieve Moksha because they can

> never have Ketu in 4th or 12th from Karakamsa. Realistically, we

> know this is not true.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Sundeep

[Guest guest]

JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Jyotisha,

 

Namaste.

 

My understanding about Moksha yogas is the following:

 

It would be futile to assume that any number of the polulation will attain

moksha just on the strength of the combinations in their charts. Therefore

I think it is useless to attempt any mathematical models to this. Indeed

Jaimini, Parashara and other classics give several combinations for moksha,

out of which some have extremely relaxed conditions, for example even one

strong benefic in 12th from Karakamsha gives moksha. So my way to deal with

this is the following:

 

1. Look for moksha yogas in D-1, D-9, D-20 and D-60.

2. Thorougly analyse the strangth to these combinations and any badha to

them.

3. Analyse the overall spiritual strength of the chart.

4. Anaylse AK thoroughly. I have compiled an article on this which is to

appear in the March issue of JD, although I still couldn't send it to

Sarbani because her mailbox bounces saying it's full. Sarbani, please reply

to me in private if you read this.

5. Analyse 7th house in Rasi and Navamsa, as this will indicate the causes

for rebirth.

6. Analyse Pravrajya combinations.

If all the above say OK, then you can infer that the native will attain

moksha. On the other hand, someone without these combinations is still not

excluded, as by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mercy even the most fallen can go

back to Godhead if the take to the process of chanting Lord Krishna's hol

name.

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

gauranga

Jyotish Remedies:

WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

Phone:+36-309-140-839

 

 

-

"Ramapriya D" <hubli

<vedic astrology>

Monday, February 17, 2003 8:56 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Info about Moksha combination

 

 

> Dear Sundeep,

>

> To those like me who're zilch in math, could you please explain some of

the

> figures you've stated?

>

> For example: "Assuming everything is independent, 16% of all people would

> have Ke in 4th or 12th. If you additionally put the Pi and Cn limitation,

> you cut it down to about 3% of the population." However so?? If it was Ke

> being in 4th or 12th from the asc, I can understand the 16% thing, but

this

> combo is for k'sha or k'shaka. When a slow-moving planet gets to be the AK

> (like now for example), Ke won't be in 4th or 12th from k'sha for quite a

> while. In fact, the closest possibility to a straight-line determination

> like you've posited comes when the faster ones like Mo, Su, Me or Ve get

to

> be AK.

>

> I also don't know why, like you say, only a very small percentage of the

> populace needs to be heading for moksha.

>

> By stating the impossibility of a guy getting moksha when Ra gets to be

the

> AK, I think you've played the devil's advocate (rightly) against k'sha.

> K'shaka looks the more probable term, and correct too.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Ramapriya

> hubli

>

>

> -

> <vedicastrostudent

> <vedic astrology>

> Monday, February 17, 2003 11:45 AM

> [vedic astrology] Info about Moksha combination (related to the

> Rational Thinking post)

>

>

> > Dear all especially PVR guru,

> > You very right ly pointed out the fact that we should do a sanity

> > check to see how probable the occurrence of a combination is

> > before pronouncing it as the determinant of a particular

> > condition/event. I do this all the time but dont always end up

> > satisfied.

> >

> > In exactly this vein, note that the frequently cited combinations for

> > Moksha are:

> > 1) Karakamsa in Pisces (a variation I have heard is

> > Karakamshaka in Pisces)

> > 2) 4th or 12th from Karakamsa has Ketu. Additional things I

> > have heard is that this sign (4th or 12th) from Karakamsa should

> > be a saatwik sign e.g. Pisces or Cancer.

> >

> > Now looking at the first combination, the probability is 1/12,

> > right? i.e 8% (I havent done a detailed conditional probability

> > study - just assuming everything is independent)

> > Looking at the second combination, again,

> >

> > However, all these numbers sound way too high to me (even 3%

> > is too high). Even if you look at many charts blindly and apply

> > these rules, you will see a number of people seemingly headed

> > towards Moksha - people you would not ordinarily suspect - e.g.

> > George W. Bush has Ketu in 12th from Karakamsa. So

> > obviously there are other combinations which are FAR more

> > strict that these ones - why are these ones cited then, and what

> > are those more strict combinations? Realistically, we should

> > see these moksha combinations in about 1 in 1 million people

> > i.e. 0.0001% or less. In a related point people with Rahu

> > Atmakaraka should never achieve Moksha because they can

> > never have Ketu in 4th or 12th from Karakamsa. Realistically, we

> > know this is not true.

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Sundeep

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think the strength of combination in the chart is because of the past karma

because of which we are born with that combination, not other way around.

 

Just a thought...

With best regards,

Sadashiv. Gauranga Das <gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net> wrote:

JAYA JAGANNATHA!Dear Jyotisha,Namaste.My understanding about Moksha yogas is the

following:It would be futile to assume that any number of the polulation will

attainmoksha just on the strength of the combinations in their charts.

ThereforeI think it is useless to attempt any mathematical models to this.

IndeedJaimini, Parashara and other classics give several combinations for

moksha,out of which some have extremely relaxed conditions, for example even

onestrong benefic in 12th from Karakamsha gives moksha. So my way to deal

withthis is the following:1. Look for moksha yogas in D-1, D-9, D-20 and

D-60.2. Thorougly analyse the strangth to these combinations and any badha

tothem.3. Analyse the overall spiritual strength of the chart.4. Anaylse AK

thoroughly. I have compiled an article on this which is toappear in the March

issue of JD, although I still couldn't send it toSarbani because her mailbox

bounces saying it's full. Sarbani, please replyto me in private if you read

this.5. Analyse 7th house in Rasi and Navamsa, as this will indicate the

causesfor rebirth.6. Analyse Pravrajya combinations.If all the above say OK,

then you can infer that the native will attainmoksha. On the other hand,

someone without these combinations is still notexcluded, as by Sri Caitanya

Mahaprabhu's mercy even the most fallen can goback to Godhead if the take to

the process of chanting Lord Krishna's holname.Yours,Gauranga Das Vedic

Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies:WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

Phone:+36-309-140-839-"Ramapriya D"

<hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com><vedic astrology>Monday, February 17,

2003 8:56 AMRe: [vedic astrology] Info about Moksha combination> Dear

Sundeep,>> To those like me who're zilch in math, could you please explain some

ofthe> figures you've stated?>> For example: "Assuming everything is

independent, 16% of all people would> have Ke in 4th or 12th. If you

additionally put the Pi and Cn limitation,> you cut it down to about 3% of the

population." However so?? If it was Ke> being in 4th or 12th from the asc, I

can understand the 16% thing, butthis> combo is for k'sha or k'shaka. When a

slow-moving planet gets to be the AK> (like now for example), Ke won't be in

4th or 12th from k'sha for quite a> while. In fact, the closest possibility to

a straight-line determination> like you've posited comes when the faster ones

like Mo, Su, Me or Ve getto> be AK.>> I also don't know why, like you say, only

a very small percentage of the> populace needs to be heading for moksha.>> By

stating the impossibility of a guy getting moksha when Ra gets to bethe> AK, I

think you've played the devil's advocate (rightly) against k'sha.> K'shaka

looks the more probable term, and correct too.>> Warm regards,>> Ramapriya>

hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com>>> ->

<vedicastrostudent >> <vedic astrology>> Sent:

Monday, February 17, 2003 11:45 AM> [vedic astrology] Info about

Moksha combination (related to the> Rational Thinking post)>>> > Dear all

especially PVR guru,> > You very right ly pointed out the fact that we should

do a sanity> > check to see how probable the occurrence of a combination is> >

before pronouncing it as the determinant of a particular> > condition/event. I

do this all the time but dont always end up> > satisfied.> >> > In exactly this

vein, note that the frequently cited combinations for> > Moksha are:> > 1)

Karakamsa in Pisces (a variation I have heard is> > Karakamshaka in Pisces)> >

2) 4th or 12th from Karakamsa has Ketu. Additional things I> > have heard is

that this sign (4th or 12th) from Karakamsa should> > be a saatwik sign e.g.

Pisces or Cancer.> >> > Now looking at the first combination, the probability

is 1/12,> > right? i.e 8% (I havent done a detailed conditional probability> >

study - just assuming everything is independent)> > Looking at the second

combination, again,> >> > However, all these numbers sound way too high to me

(even 3%> > is too high). Even if you look at many charts blindly and apply> >

these rules, you will see a number of people seemingly headed> > towards Moksha

- people you would not ordinarily suspect - e.g.> > George W. Bush has Ketu in

12th from Karakamsa. So> > obviously there are other combinations which are

FAR more> > strict that these ones - why are these ones cited then, and what> >

are those more strict combinations? Realistically, we should> > see these moksha

combinations in about 1 in 1 million people> > i.e. 0.0001% or less. In a

related point people with Rahu> > Atmakaraka should never achieve Moksha

because they can> > never have Ketu in 4th or 12th from Karakamsa.

Realistically, we> > know this is not true.> >> > Thank you,> >> > Sundeep>>>

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