Guest guest Posted February 10, 2003 Report Share Posted February 10, 2003 Dear Chandrasekhar, What I understand is that the PLANETS are "LOKAS" ( The Sun is Heaven where one is totally liberated, The Moon is where the soul has to reincarnate,,,,,but there is no existence of GOD but sensual pleasures do exist Best Regards Vissie > 10 February 2003 10:35 > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > Dear Gauranga, > I understand your point.I am neither a christian nor an indologist. I > happen to be a Hindu Brahmin who takes pride in the Knowledge possessed by > our ancestors and feel sorry that most of it is not understood in its > proper perspective. > > As far as I know, Vedas,Upanishads, Puranas etc. have different historical > dates.Again there are many meanings to a single word of the Sanskrit > language. It is upto an individual to interprete it. > > Allegories, to my understanding, were resorted to by the sages to convey a > meaning to lesser mortals.This is why Vedas and Puranas differ in the way > meaning of Dharma is conveyed. Even Lord Krishna says, in Bhagvad > Gita,"that those who are ignorant worship lesser gods and I fulfill their > desires through those gods". At the same time he gives Vishwarupa darshan > and indicates that all gods are within himself. Atman occupies the body > and again leaves the body to go to lokas according to his Karma. What is > exactly the meaning of the lokas meant by the Lord, is difficult to > interprete.As you must know even the Chakras mentioned in Kundalini > Jagruti cannot be seen physically, though one who practices yoga knows > what happens in the regions indicated by various chakras , when Kundalini > awakens. Now with the arguments presented by you, one should be able to > see the chakras if a body is desected and you should also be able to see > the Ida and Pingala nadis. This does not happen. Further if we take > literal meaning of what is stated about various Lokas then the anamoly > arises in that if the resident of the lokas are able to roam about in > physical form, then the Lord's statement about the Atman changing the > Body after death as if changing of old clothes would be contradicted. > > Therefore I personally do not think that merely because a person > attributes diferent meaning to the scriptures one should label him as > Christian Indologist. > > Hindu culture respects both Charvaaka and Shankaracharya as both are > interpreting Dharma as understood by them. You will even find commentaries > on Bhagvadgita where a commentator has put words not in the original > Sanskrit text as he feels they should have been there. Or because he wants > to propogate his way of worship of a particular diety. This does not mean > he intends disrespect to Bhagvadgita it merely suggests there are > different interpretations given by different persons according to their > perceptions of the same ultimate truth. > > Carrying your argument forward one should not even discuss and recite > Bhagvadgita as Lord has told Arjuna that this is a secret knowledge which > should not be revealed to those incapable of understanding it and to non > believers. > I do not think the Lord meant above literally but wanted to emphasis that > this should be understood in its proper perspective as what he says can be > interpreted in different ways by those who might not understand the > sprituality which is its basis. > > About Ganges, your theory would indicate that there was no King Bhagiratha > who brought Ganges to Prithviloka thus giving a lie to scriptures , which > you yourself say is done by Christian Indologists. > > Again about Indra's presence in Amaravati, you would perhaps remember that > the Lord had to give a special Drishti to Arjuna for him to be able to see > the Vishwarup and the Caturbhuja Roop of the Lord. At least I have not > been given such Divya Drishti and cannot say whether Indra is in Amaravati > or not. > I hope you take this in the right spirit and I do not mean to offend you > or any one else. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > - > Gauranga Das <gauranga > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> > Monday, February 10, 2003 4:10 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > Namaste. > > Your doubting that other Lokas or planes of life exist in the > universe is almost equal to the viewpoint of Christian Indologists, who > plainly stated that the whole thing is a myth. Undoubtedly, all the > tirthas (holy places in the universe are manifest in Bharat-varsha, > especially in the Dhamas Vrindavana and Navadvipa. But the confudsion may > come from the following: At the times of Krishna, all the demigods used to > visit Him in Dwaraka, including Brahma, Indra etc. And then they returned > to their abodes. I would like to refer you to the Srimad Bhagavatam and my > article in Jyotish Digest about Tima and Space in Vedas and Puranas. Even > the movement of the Kalacakra is different on these different lokas, so > obviously the are situated in different places in space. The statement of > the shastra should be taken directly, not interpreted accordin to our > faith or lack of it. If Indra lives in Amaravati, where is he now? Why > can't we pay a visit to him? Those who have lack of faith in the Vedic > tradition, try to search for logical and empiric proofs, which may or may > not be there. However the lack of proof does not justify distorting the > revelation of the shastra to adjust to the reality perceived by us. > Kalisah is undoubrtedly there, but at the same time the origina Kailashi > is outside this universe, an the junction of Pradhaan and Brahmajyoti. > Also Rakshasas may visit the Earth especially in Kali yuga, but this would > not nullify the description of Atala, Sutala, Vitala, etc. subterranean > planets. Please see the description of the demon Bala or Maharaj Bali. > This is not on this Earth. > > Ganga is also originated in Gangotri, but if you study the story of > the Ganga coming to the earthly plane and Lord Shiva being the only person > able to support it, then it is obvious that it is originating outside the > universe, from the hole created by the toe of Urukrama or Vaamanadeva. So > by bathing in Ganga, Jupiter may be propitiated very nicely. Also > accoridng to the description of the Bhagavatam, the river Ganga fflows > through all the planetary systems, forming the current that we call as the > Milky way. > > The description of the universe in the Bhagavatam is based on the > divine vision of the Maharishis. The earthlings are not able to see thing > in that way, so for us a more perceptible picture is given in the Surya > Siddhanta. However the contraictions between the two, for ecxample about > the size of the universe should never be resloved agains the conclusion of > Srimad Bhagavatam which is grantha-raaja, i.e. the king of all scriptures. > I hope this helps. > > Have a good read. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > gauranga <gauranga > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET <http://www.BRIHASPATI.NET> > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > > - > Chandrashekhar <boxdel > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> > Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:33 AM > Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > Dear Gauranga Das, > I am certain that you are well versed in > scriptures.Therefore I need not tell you that Indra's capital was known as > Amaravati. Amaravati is located in Vidarbha near Kaundinyapur which was > the Capital of Vidarbharaaj. Parijaat mentioned is therefore definitely > the one that exists here.Even its growing flowering and flower shedding > habits are identical. > I do not to the theory that what is stated in > Puranas exists in some Loka other than the Prithviloka, and is mere myth. > Otherwise there would not have been rakshasas in Dandakaranyaa, as their > abode is supposed to be Paataala. If we accept the theory that the various > lokas mentioned were ethereal then Kailash, Ganga, Badrinath and > Rameshwaram etc. would not exist in India. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > - > Gauranga Das <gauranga > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> > Saturday, February 08, 2003 6:30 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Candrasekhar, > > Namaste. > > As far as I remember from Bhagavatam, the Parijata > was brought from Indraloka to Rukmini by Krishna. Now if it's a heavenly > plant, do we expect it to grow indigenously after the departure of > Bhagavan? I would be cautious of that unless I see a reference saying that > it was able to reproduce itself on the Earth and thus became indigenous. > As far as I remember, it was regarded by the residents of Dwaraka as a > very special gift, not a commonly growing plant. This is also true for the > Soma plant, which is indigenous in Svargaloka, but some interpretators > tend to identify it with some earthly plant with intoxicating juice, which > I cannot accept blindly. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > gauranga > <gauranga > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET <http://www.BRIHASPATI.NET> > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > > - > Chandrashekhar <boxdel > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> > Friday, February 07, 2003 8:03 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > Dear Swee, > I suppose you are asking about Parijata. This is a > small tree which ,when flowering flush arrives is covered with fragrant > white flowers with vermillion stalk.The flowers drop early in the morning > and the ground below is covered as if by a carpet of flowers. The plant is > mentioned in Mahabharata. If you remember that Rukmini the Consort of Lord > Krishna was daughter of King of Vidarbha(This is the part of India where I > live)you will understand how the plant reached Dwarka. > This tree is indegeneous to India and used to be > found in almost all the houses (including ours) in my city of Nagpur in > central India when I was a kid. > I shall try to send an image if I could locate a > picture on the net. > Chandrashekhar. > > - > Swee Chan <swee > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> > Friday, February 07, 2003 6:06 PM > RE: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Gili, > > Lovely of you to do so, and I appreciate this. > However, I also need to know where these plants are indigenous, then > collate information of deposits around the world. (Birds next :-)) > > Best wishes, > > Swee > swee <swee > > <http://www.brihaspati.net/> > > > Gili Alvey [gilimary] > Friday, February 07, 2003 12:29 AM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > Parijata is Nyctanthes arbor-tristis (Linn.) > (refPlant Myths and Traditions in India by Shakti M. > Gupta) > forgive me for interfering > Love, > Gili > > > _______________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection > with MSN 8. > <http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail> > > > Archives: > <vedic astrology> > > Group info: > <vedic astrology/info.html> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > || > > > Terms of Service <>. > > > Archives: > <vedic astrology> > > Group info: > <vedic astrology/info.html> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 Dear Vissie, I think the case is that various lokas mean the various levels of emancipation one's soul reaches when it leaves the body. The level or loka one's soul reaches depends on the Karma and Dhnyan(Knowledge) one attains in this life time. I do not to the view that God does not exist, my only difference is about the form in which he exists. I go by the Nirakaar, Nirguna, Anaadi and Ananta form of the Supreme, whose Amsha is in every living being. This is what Shankaracharya meant by "Aham Bramhasmi", or at least this is my perception of the Supreme being. The sensual pleasures that you mentioned are known as Maya in Hindu Philosophy. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Vissie Moodley 'vedic astrology' Tuesday, February 11, 2003 12:51 PM RE: [vedic astrology] LOKAS Dear Chandrasekhar, What I understand is that the PLANETSare "LOKAS" ( The Sun is Heaven where one is totally liberated, The Moon iswhere the soul has to reincarnate,,,,,but there is no existence of GOD butsensual pleasures do existBest RegardsVissie> 10 February 2003 10:35> vedic astrology> Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants> > Dear Gauranga,> I understand your point.I am neither a christian nor an indologist. I> happen to be a Hindu Brahmin who takes pride in the Knowledge possessed by> our ancestors and feel sorry that most of it is not understood in its> proper perspective.> > As far as I know, Vedas,Upanishads, Puranas etc. have different historical> dates.Again there are many meanings to a single word of the Sanskrit> language. It is upto an individual to interprete it.> > Allegories, to my understanding, were resorted to by the sages to convey a> meaning to lesser mortals.This is why Vedas and Puranas differ in the way> meaning of Dharma is conveyed. Even Lord Krishna says, in Bhagvad> Gita,"that those who are ignorant worship lesser gods and I fulfill their> desires through those gods". At the same time he gives Vishwarupa darshan> and indicates that all gods are within himself. Atman occupies the body> and again leaves the body to go to lokas according to his Karma. What is> exactly the meaning of the lokas meant by the Lord, is difficult to> interprete.As you must know even the Chakras mentioned in Kundalini> Jagruti cannot be seen physically, though one who practices yoga knows> what happens in the regions indicated by various chakras , when Kundalini> awakens. Now with the arguments presented by you, one should be able to> see the chakras if a body is desected and you should also be able to see> the Ida and Pingala nadis. This does not happen. Further if we take> literal meaning of what is stated about various Lokas then the anamoly> arises in that if the resident of the lokas are able to roam about in> physical form, then the Lord's statement about the Atman changing the> Body after death as if changing of old clothes would be contradicted. > > Therefore I personally do not think that merely because a person> attributes diferent meaning to the scriptures one should label him as> Christian Indologist. > > Hindu culture respects both Charvaaka and Shankaracharya as both are> interpreting Dharma as understood by them. You will even find commentaries> on Bhagvadgita where a commentator has put words not in the original> Sanskrit text as he feels they should have been there. Or because he wants> to propogate his way of worship of a particular diety. This does not mean> he intends disrespect to Bhagvadgita it merely suggests there are> different interpretations given by different persons according to their> perceptions of the same ultimate truth.> > Carrying your argument forward one should not even discuss and recite> Bhagvadgita as Lord has told Arjuna that this is a secret knowledge which> should not be revealed to those incapable of understanding it and to non> believers.> I do not think the Lord meant above literally but wanted to emphasis that> this should be understood in its proper perspective as what he says can be> interpreted in different ways by those who might not understand the> sprituality which is its basis.> > About Ganges, your theory would indicate that there was no King Bhagiratha> who brought Ganges to Prithviloka thus giving a lie to scriptures , which> you yourself say is done by Christian Indologists.> > Again about Indra's presence in Amaravati, you would perhaps remember that> the Lord had to give a special Drishti to Arjuna for him to be able to see> the Vishwarup and the Caturbhuja Roop of the Lord. At least I have not> been given such Divya Drishti and cannot say whether Indra is in Amaravati> or not.> I hope you take this in the right spirit and I do not mean to offend you> or any one else.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > - > Gauranga Das <gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net> > To: vedic astrology> <vedic astrology> > Monday, February 10, 2003 4:10 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants> > JAYA JAGANNATHA!> > Dear Chandrasekhar,> > Namaste.> > Your doubting that other Lokas or planes of life exist in the> universe is almost equal to the viewpoint of Christian Indologists, who> plainly stated that the whole thing is a myth. Undoubtedly, all the> tirthas (holy places in the universe are manifest in Bharat-varsha,> especially in the Dhamas Vrindavana and Navadvipa. But the confudsion may> come from the following: At the times of Krishna, all the demigods used to> visit Him in Dwaraka, including Brahma, Indra etc. And then they returned> to their abodes. I would like to refer you to the Srimad Bhagavatam and my> article in Jyotish Digest about Tima and Space in Vedas and Puranas. Even> the movement of the Kalacakra is different on these different lokas, so> obviously the are situated in different places in space. The statement of> the shastra should be taken directly, not interpreted accordin to our> faith or lack of it. If Indra lives in Amaravati, where is he now? Why> can't we pay a visit to him? Those who have lack of faith in the Vedic> tradition, try to search for logical and empiric proofs, which may or may> not be there. However the lack of proof does not justify distorting the> revelation of the shastra to adjust to the reality perceived by us.> Kalisah is undoubrtedly there, but at the same time the origina Kailashi> is outside this universe, an the junction of Pradhaan and Brahmajyoti.> Also Rakshasas may visit the Earth especially in Kali yuga, but this would> not nullify the description of Atala, Sutala, Vitala, etc. subterranean> planets. Please see the description of the demon Bala or Maharaj Bali.> This is not on this Earth.> > Ganga is also originated in Gangotri, but if you study the story of> the Ganga coming to the earthly plane and Lord Shiva being the only person> able to support it, then it is obvious that it is originating outside the> universe, from the hole created by the toe of Urukrama or Vaamanadeva. So> by bathing in Ganga, Jupiter may be propitiated very nicely. Also> accoridng to the description of the Bhagavatam, the river Ganga fflows> through all the planetary systems, forming the current that we call as the> Milky way. > > The description of the universe in the Bhagavatam is based on the> divine vision of the Maharishis. The earthlings are not able to see thing> in that way, so for us a more perceptible picture is given in the Surya> Siddhanta. However the contraictions between the two, for ecxample about> the size of the universe should never be resloved agains the conclusion of> Srimad Bhagavatam which is grantha-raaja, i.e. the king of all scriptures.> I hope this helps.> > Have a good read.> > Yours,> > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer> gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net <gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net>> Jyotish Remedies:> WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET <http://www.BRIHASPATI.NET>> Phone:+36-309-140-839> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > vedic astrology> <vedic astrology> > Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:33 AM> Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants> > Dear Gauranga Das,> I am certain that you are well versed in> scriptures.Therefore I need not tell you that Indra's capital was known as> Amaravati. Amaravati is located in Vidarbha near Kaundinyapur which was> the Capital of Vidarbharaaj. Parijaat mentioned is therefore definitely> the one that exists here.Even its growing flowering and flower shedding> habits are identical.> I do not to the theory that what is stated in> Puranas exists in some Loka other than the Prithviloka, and is mere myth.> Otherwise there would not have been rakshasas in Dandakaranyaa, as their> abode is supposed to be Paataala. If we accept the theory that the various> lokas mentioned were ethereal then Kailash, Ganga, Badrinath and> Rameshwaram etc. would not exist in India.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar. > > ----- Original Message ----- > Gauranga Das <gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net> > To: vedic astrology> <vedic astrology> > Saturday, February 08, 2003 6:30 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants> > JAYA JAGANNATHA!> > Dear Candrasekhar,> > Namaste.> > As far as I remember from Bhagavatam, the Parijata> was brought from Indraloka to Rukmini by Krishna. Now if it's a heavenly> plant, do we expect it to grow indigenously after the departure of> Bhagavan? I would be cautious of that unless I see a reference saying that> it was able to reproduce itself on the Earth and thus became indigenous.> As far as I remember, it was regarded by the residents of Dwaraka as a> very special gift, not a commonly growing plant. This is also true for the> Soma plant, which is indigenous in Svargaloka, but some interpretators> tend to identify it with some earthly plant with intoxicating juice, which> I cannot accept blindly. > > Yours,> > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer> gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net> <gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net>> Jyotish Remedies:> WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET <http://www.BRIHASPATI.NET>> Phone:+36-309-140-839> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > To: vedic astrology> <vedic astrology> > Friday, February 07, 2003 8:03 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants> > Dear Swee,> I suppose you are asking about Parijata. This is a> small tree which ,when flowering flush arrives is covered with fragrant> white flowers with vermillion stalk.The flowers drop early in the morning> and the ground below is covered as if by a carpet of flowers. The plant is> mentioned in Mahabharata. If you remember that Rukmini the Consort of Lord> Krishna was daughter of King of Vidarbha(This is the part of India where I> live)you will understand how the plant reached Dwarka.> This tree is indegeneous to India and used to be> found in almost all the houses (including ours) in my city of Nagpur in> central India when I was a kid.> I shall try to send an image if I could locate a> picture on the net. > Chandrashekhar.> > ----- Original Message ----- > Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> > vedic astrology> <vedic astrology> > Friday, February 07, 2003 6:06 PM> RE: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants> > Jaya Jagannatha> > Dear Gili,> > Lovely of you to do so, and I appreciate this.> However, I also need to know where these plants are indigenous, then> collate information of deposits around the world. (Birds next :-))> > Best wishes,> > Swee> swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net <swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net>> > <http://www.brihaspati.net/>> > > Gili Alvey [gilimary (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]> Friday, February 07, 2003 12:29 AM> vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] for swee - plants> > Parijata is Nyctanthes arbor-tristis (Linn.)> (refPlant Myths and Traditions in India by Shakti M.> Gupta)> forgive me for interfering > Love,> Gili> > > _______________> Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar, Thank you for enlightening me. Regards Vissie > > Chandrashekhar [sMTP:boxdel] > 11 February 2003 08:57 > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] LOKAS > > Dear Vissie, > I think the case is that various lokas mean the various levels of > emancipation one's soul reaches when it leaves the body. The level or loka > one's soul reaches depends on the Karma and Dhnyan(Knowledge) one attains > in this life time. > I do not to the view that God does not exist, my only > difference is about the form in which he exists. I go by the Nirakaar, > Nirguna, Anaadi and Ananta form of the Supreme, whose Amsha is in every > living being. This is what Shankaracharya meant by "Aham Bramhasmi", or at > least this is my perception of the Supreme being. > The sensual pleasures that you mentioned are known as Maya in Hindu > Philosophy. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. [Vissie Moodley] enlighten enlightenmen ----- Original Message ----- > Vissie Moodley <VMoodley > 'vedic astrology' > <'vedic astrology'> > Tuesday, February 11, 2003 12:51 PM > RE: [vedic astrology] LOKAS > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > What I understand is that the > PLANETS > are "LOKAS" ( The Sun is Heaven where one is totally liberated, The > Moon is > where the soul has to reincarnate,,,,,but there is no existence of > GOD but > sensual pleasures do exist > Best Regards > Vissie > > > 10 February 2003 10:35 > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> > > Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > > > Dear Gauranga, > > I understand your point.I am neither a christian nor an > indologist. I > > happen to be a Hindu Brahmin who takes pride in the Knowledge > possessed by > > our ancestors and feel sorry that most of it is not understood in > its > > proper perspective. > > > > As far as I know, Vedas,Upanishads, Puranas etc. have different > historical > > dates.Again there are many meanings to a single word of the > Sanskrit > > language. It is upto an individual to interprete it. > > > > Allegories, to my understanding, were resorted to by the sages to > convey a > > meaning to lesser mortals.This is why Vedas and Puranas differ in > the way > > meaning of Dharma is conveyed. Even Lord Krishna says, in Bhagvad > > Gita,"that those who are ignorant worship lesser gods and I > fulfill their > > desires through those gods". At the same time he gives Vishwarupa > darshan > > and indicates that all gods are within himself. Atman occupies the > body > > and again leaves the body to go to lokas according to his Karma. > What is > > exactly the meaning of the lokas meant by the Lord, is difficult > to > > interprete.As you must know even the Chakras mentioned in > Kundalini > > Jagruti cannot be seen physically, though one who practices yoga > knows > > what happens in the regions indicated by various chakras , when > Kundalini > > awakens. Now with the arguments presented by you, one should be > able to > > see the chakras if a body is desected and you should also be able > to see > > the Ida and Pingala nadis. This does not happen. Further if we > take > > literal meaning of what is stated about various Lokas then the > anamoly > > arises in that if the resident of the lokas are able to roam about > in > > physical form, then the Lord's statement about the Atman changing > the > > Body after death as if changing of old clothes would be > contradicted. > > > > Therefore I personally do not think that merely because a person > > attributes diferent meaning to the scriptures one should label him > as > > Christian Indologist. > > > > Hindu culture respects both Charvaaka and Shankaracharya as both > are > > interpreting Dharma as understood by them. You will even find > commentaries > > on Bhagvadgita where a commentator has put words not in the > original > > Sanskrit text as he feels they should have been there. Or because > he wants > > to propogate his way of worship of a particular diety. This does > not mean > > he intends disrespect to Bhagvadgita it merely suggests there are > > different interpretations given by different persons according to > their > > perceptions of the same ultimate truth. > > > > Carrying your argument forward one should not even discuss and > recite > > Bhagvadgita as Lord has told Arjuna that this is a secret > knowledge which > > should not be revealed to those incapable of understanding it and > to non > > believers. > > I do not think the Lord meant above literally but wanted to > emphasis that > > this should be understood in its proper perspective as what he > says can be > > interpreted in different ways by those who might not understand > the > > sprituality which is its basis. > > > > About Ganges, your theory would indicate that there was no King > Bhagiratha > > who brought Ganges to Prithviloka thus giving a lie to scriptures > , which > > you yourself say is done by Christian Indologists. > > > > Again about Indra's presence in Amaravati, you would perhaps > remember that > > the Lord had to give a special Drishti to Arjuna for him to be > able to see > > the Vishwarup and the Caturbhuja Roop of the Lord. At least I have > not > > been given such Divya Drishti and cannot say whether Indra is in > Amaravati > > or not. > > I hope you take this in the right spirit and I do not mean to > offend you > > or any one else. > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > - > > Gauranga Das <gauranga > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology> > > Monday, February 10, 2003 4:10 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > > > Namaste. > > > > Your doubting that other Lokas or planes of life exist in > the > > universe is almost equal to the viewpoint of Christian > Indologists, who > > plainly stated that the whole thing is a myth. Undoubtedly, all > the > > tirthas (holy places in the universe are manifest in > Bharat-varsha, > > especially in the Dhamas Vrindavana and Navadvipa. But the > confudsion may > > come from the following: At the times of Krishna, all the demigods > used to > > visit Him in Dwaraka, including Brahma, Indra etc. And then they > returned > > to their abodes. I would like to refer you to the Srimad > Bhagavatam and my > > article in Jyotish Digest about Tima and Space in Vedas and > Puranas. Even > > the movement of the Kalacakra is different on these different > lokas, so > > obviously the are situated in different places in space. The > statement of > > the shastra should be taken directly, not interpreted accordin to > our > > faith or lack of it. If Indra lives in Amaravati, where is he now? > Why > > can't we pay a visit to him? Those who have lack of faith in the > Vedic > > tradition, try to search for logical and empiric proofs, which may > or may > > not be there. However the lack of proof does not justify > distorting the > > revelation of the shastra to adjust to the reality perceived by > us. > > Kalisah is undoubrtedly there, but at the same time the origina > Kailashi > > is outside this universe, an the junction of Pradhaan and > Brahmajyoti. > > Also Rakshasas may visit the Earth especially in Kali yuga, but > this would > > not nullify the description of Atala, Sutala, Vitala, etc. > subterranean > > planets. Please see the description of the demon Bala or Maharaj > Bali. > > This is not on this Earth. > > > > Ganga is also originated in Gangotri, but if you study the > story of > > the Ganga coming to the earthly plane and Lord Shiva being the > only person > > able to support it, then it is obvious that it is originating > outside the > > universe, from the hole created by the toe of Urukrama or > Vaamanadeva. So > > by bathing in Ganga, Jupiter may be propitiated very nicely. Also > > accoridng to the description of the Bhagavatam, the river Ganga > fflows > > through all the planetary systems, forming the current that we > call as the > > Milky way. > > > > The description of the universe in the Bhagavatam is based > on the > > divine vision of the Maharishis. The earthlings are not able to > see thing > > in that way, so for us a more perceptible picture is given in the > Surya > > Siddhanta. However the contraictions between the two, for ecxample > about > > the size of the universe should never be resloved agains the > conclusion of > > Srimad Bhagavatam which is grantha-raaja, i.e. the king of all > scriptures. > > I hope this helps. > > > > Have a good read. > > > > Yours, > > > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > > gauranga <gauranga > > Jyotish Remedies: > > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET < <http://www.BRIHASPATI.NET>> > > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > > > > > > - > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology> > > Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:33 AM > > Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > > > Dear Gauranga Das, > > I am certain that you are well versed in > > scriptures.Therefore I need not tell you that Indra's capital was > known as > > Amaravati. Amaravati is located in Vidarbha near Kaundinyapur > which was > > the Capital of Vidarbharaaj. Parijaat mentioned is therefore > definitely > > the one that exists here.Even its growing flowering and flower > shedding > > habits are identical. > > I do not to the theory that what is stated > in > > Puranas exists in some Loka other than the Prithviloka, and is > mere myth. > > Otherwise there would not have been rakshasas in Dandakaranyaa, as > their > > abode is supposed to be Paataala. If we accept the theory that the > various > > lokas mentioned were ethereal then Kailash, Ganga, Badrinath and > > Rameshwaram etc. would not exist in India. > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > - > > Gauranga Das > <gauranga > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology> > > Saturday, February 08, 2003 6:30 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > > > Dear Candrasekhar, > > > > Namaste. > > > > As far as I remember from Bhagavatam, the > Parijata > > was brought from Indraloka to Rukmini by Krishna. Now if it's a > heavenly > > plant, do we expect it to grow indigenously after the departure of > > Bhagavan? I would be cautious of that unless I see a reference > saying that > > it was able to reproduce itself on the Earth and thus became > indigenous. > > As far as I remember, it was regarded by the residents of Dwaraka > as a > > very special gift, not a commonly growing plant. This is also true > for the > > Soma plant, which is indigenous in Svargaloka, but some > interpretators > > tend to identify it with some earthly plant with intoxicating > juice, which > > I cannot accept blindly. > > > > Yours, > > > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > > gauranga > > <gauranga > > Jyotish Remedies: > > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET < > <http://www.BRIHASPATI.NET>> > > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > > > > > > - > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology> > > Friday, February 07, 2003 8:03 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > > > Dear Swee, > > I suppose you are asking about Parijata. This is > a > > small tree which ,when flowering flush arrives is covered with > fragrant > > white flowers with vermillion stalk.The flowers drop early in the > morning > > and the ground below is covered as if by a carpet of flowers. The > plant is > > mentioned in Mahabharata. If you remember that Rukmini the Consort > of Lord > > Krishna was daughter of King of Vidarbha(This is the part of India > where I > > live)you will understand how the plant reached Dwarka. > > This tree is indegeneous to India and used to be > > found in almost all the houses (including ours) in my city of > Nagpur in > > central India when I was a kid. > > I shall try to send an image if I could locate a > > picture on the net. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > - > > Swee Chan <swee > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology> > > Friday, February 07, 2003 6:06 PM > > RE: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Gili, > > > > Lovely of you to do so, and I appreciate this. > > However, I also need to know where these plants are indigenous, > then > > collate information of deposits around the world. 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