Comparisons of translations on gems-Gauranga

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Dear

Gauranga Das,

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Hare

Krishna

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Can

we walk through the 2 lists you sent? I have made comments where necessary.

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Also Balabhadra

gives a list of Navaratnas, but I'm not sure about Santhanam's translation to

be correct here:

 

maanikyam

vidrumam muktaphalam vaiduryanilakam

vajram

gaarutmakam pushparaagam gomedasamjnakam

 

He

translates as follows:

 

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Comments

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"Arial Unicode MS"">maanikyam - Ruby,

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Yes

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"Arial Unicode MS"">vidrumam - Coral,

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Pravaala -

Coral

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Does this

mean there are 2 separate names?

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"Arial Unicode MS""> Muktaphalam

- pearl,

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Yes

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"Arial Unicode MS"">vaiduryam - cat's eye,

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Vaidurya -

Beryl

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Beryl and

Chrysoberyl are 2 VERY separate gemstones. I know not of a colour change in

any Beryl as yet. (not discovered so far)

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"Arial Unicode MS"">neelam - Sapphire,

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Indraneela

- Sapphire

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Why to

sapphire, and Mahaneela is given to Azurite? The hardness is something else

that GP states to be aware of. Azurite is 3-4.

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Vajram - diamond,

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Yes

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"Arial Unicode MS"">garutmakam - Emerald,

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Marakata -

Emerald

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The garutmakam

suits the description, when the bile came out from Garuda’s nostrils.

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"Arial Unicode MS"">pushparaagam - topaz,

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GP1.74.2 A

gem of this variety, yellowish grey in colour is called Padmaraga (Ruby). If it

is crimson yellow, it is called Kaurundaka. (Topaz and the corundum family

are very different. Now what? ) I guess the translator means Pusparaga to be

Topaz and not ruby. My question is, why NOT Yellow Sapphire; it states

Yellowish-grey. The classifications under these are all to do with sapphires

(except for Blue which falls under a different chapter). Further, Topaz is

double refractive, compared to R.I. of Corundum it is minus 0.008. So yellow

sapphire would fit into this category. Hardness 9. Yellow Chrysoberyl 8.5,

Yellow Topaz 8;

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"Arial Unicode MS"">gomeda - hyacinth or zircon.

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Gomedaka – Opal

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This has

to be re-classified. Nothing here makes sense where comparison of harness and

presence etc. Zircon

has radioactive

elements. Also, the stone is very brittle and

cannot stand high stress cutting or knocks. Personally, I would never ever

recommend this as well as

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from the beryl family . Definitely, both these gems will be omitted and the

reasoning behind this.

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Karketana - Agate

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The

orthoclase group of gems is more in line with the descriptions than agate.

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Padmaraaga - Ruby

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Yes

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Vimalaka (Spotless gem)

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This gives

classifications to all flawless gems ??

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Raajamani - Royal gem

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Does this

not sound like Ruby? After all, the Sun is the King of the planets.

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Sphatika - Quartz

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Can be any

colour from the quartz family, as long as it is classified as “gemmy” material?

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Shashikaanta - Moonstone

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This fell

under Karketana in GP. Orthoclase-feldspar

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Saugandhika - (something to do with fragrance, maybe amber

or some smelly stone)

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Amber doesn’t’t smell as bad as Copal (which most people try and palm off as

Amber.

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Sankha - Conch

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Mahaaneela - Azurite

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Indraneela

or Mahaneela, but at least one of these. Perhaps the hint is the hardness.

The closest to this is the Blue Alexandrite; chromium presence, Chrysoberyl

is 8.5, but colour changes (strong pleochroism) due to lighting from fine

greenish blue to red) against 9 for corundum. (Azurite 3.5-4) Aquamarine is

from the same family as Emerald, the colour blue is due to the presence of

beryllium. A lot of you have seen the Quad. Blue that I was wearing. This

might seem the better presentation, as the colour is stable (except for Maxixe

Aqua from Brazil, its colour is not stable).

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Pushparaaga - Topaz

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Topaz is 8

and Yellow Sapphire is 9, so I would opt for Yellow Sapphire.

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Brahmamani - Brahma (or leading) gem

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Diamond or

Ruby?

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Jyotirasa (something to do with light and liquid, maybe

aquamarine?)

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Perhaps,

as it comes from the same family as Emerald. In fact the same beryl

formation. The vanadium colours the beryl a chromium green, like Chromium

Tourmaline gets it special green because of this.

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Sasyaka (perfect, of good qualities, may refer to some

fruit or grain also)

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This

description is referred to under

Ruby (pomegranate seeds)

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Mukta - Pearl

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Yes

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Rudhira - Bloodstone

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Thank you!

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"Arial Unicode MS"">Pulaka- Garnets

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Okay.

Garnet family.

 

EN-US">

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EN-US">More queries:

EN-US;font-weight:bold">Bhīsmamani

mso-ansi-language:EN-US">—

EN-US">GP1.77.2 Bhīşma stones white like Śańkha lilies or

syonāka (the white

fruit of the tree of that name) are lustrous. There are some Bhīşma stones

similar to a fairly big-sized diamond (sounds like rock crystal. Produced in

tons, but rare to find a clean and pure one. It also has a trigonal

color:black">crystallisation

mso-ansi-language:EN-US">). In the commercial market, these are mainly used as

costume jewellery, as facetable

color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"> pieces are rare.

EN-US">

EN-US">1.77.7 An intelligent man must shun spurious Bhīşma stones of the colour

of moss or clouds (sounds like moss agate; quartz family), rough of surface, lusterless

or yellowish in tinge, or faded and dirty coloured.

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font-family:Verdana">Hare Krishna

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font-family:Verdana">Thank you for your prompt reply. I think we are in

accordance with most of them excepting for Opal. This falls under the quartz

group of gems. Hardness 5.5-6 R.I. 1.44- 1.46 Double refraction: None Specific

Gravity: 1.98 – 2.20

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font-family:Verdana">Orthoclase feldspar—Moonstone; Hardness 6- 6.5; R.I. 1.520

– 1.525 Specific gravity 2.56 – 2.62

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font-family:Verdana">As you can see, both of them are from different family. The

hardness of Opal is slightly below hardness of glass. Most produced are in

layers of sheets, and these are normally glued together to make the plane

thicker. I can indicate how a person can look out for a fake immediately

(provided the gem is not yet set). That is, if this is to be included (as from

Brhat Samhita).

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font-family:Verdana">Tourmaline: All colours under the sun. Can fall into any

category as substitute gems. Hardness 7-7.5 Has okay

yes"> R.I. 1.616 – 1.652 compared to most Double refraction minus

0.014 to minus 0.044. Specific gravity 3.03 – 3.36

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font-family:Verdana">I think Chrysoberyl can be included for Ketu gemstones, as

well as colour change spinel. A fine Alexandrite is yellow green and changes to

amethyst colour. What do you think?

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font-family:Verdana">Hessonite falls under the garnet family. It is from the

grossular group of garnets and comes in green, yellow, copper-brown (though

most in the market are more on the dark brown side). I will include the same

colour range from the other garnet family. There variable crystallizations.

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Comparisons of translations on gems-Gauranga

 

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Comments are in the attached file.

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Gauranga Das

 

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