Guest guest Posted February 8, 2003 Report Share Posted February 8, 2003 font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Dear Jeremy, Gurus et al, font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Took on Nakshatra by Dennis Harness, is completely different from Subhakaran’s, in the sense that you enquired about the depth of descriptions where planets rule and the Deities reside etc. This particular one can be got from D.H.’s book. But, as with all the nakshatra books, you will need to collate information and draw your on conclusions. font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">What is interesting to note are the exaltation points of each planet. In the following suppositions, I am only going into the correlation with the Sun, as it is exalted in the first Nakshatra in the 4th portion (pada). font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Sun: 10 12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana;mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> Aries is the 4th pada of Aswini, which is in Ketu’s star, which is 10 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">00’-13 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">20’ in the sign ruled by Cancer. font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">From the Sun dynasty: Padma Purana 1.8. 39-40 font-family:Verdana">The twins Yama and Yamuna (Aswini twins) were also born to Samjna (Sun’s wife). Then unable to bear Vivasva’s lustre (Sun’s exaltation) she, the beautiful daughter of Tvastr, produced from her own body, a blameless lady, Chaya (shadow)by name. Chayaputra is the name of the wife of the Sun. She was like the shadow or likeness of Samjna, the wife of the Sun. Samjna, on one occasion wanted to go to her father’s house and asked her husband’s permission which was denied. Determined to carry out her purpose, she created a woman exactly like her. Chaya produced a son called Sani (Saturn). font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">It is evident we see the merging of the Atma (Sun, Narayana) with Mana (bright of Moon, Krishna), in perfect unison and harmony. The karmic controllers. font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:blue"> font-family:Verdana">The birth of Saturn indicates the dark side of the Moon (Chaya-Krishna Paksha). In BPHS, in the friendship table, you can now see why Saturn is enemies with the Sun and the Moon. font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:blue"> font-family:Verdana">Saturn’s debilitation in Aries (indicating the innocent child). The highest debilitation point is 20 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> Aries, which is in the nakshatra Bharani (13 12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana;mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">20’ -26 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">40’ Aries), which is ruled by Venus (sexual union of the Venus and Mars-Aries interaction) It’s highest point of debilitation is 20 12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana;mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">00’ Aries, which is in the sign Virgo (16 font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana;mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana; mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol"> symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">20-20 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">) where Venus is most debilitated (dark of Moon keeling to Sun’s whim) in the sign Virgo. (A child is always innocent). The Chitra nakshatra owned by Mars spans 23 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">20’ Virgo to 6 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">40’ Libra. Venus’ highest point of debilitation is 27 12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana;mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">00’ Virgo. This point of exaltation at 26 font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana;mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana; mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol"> symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">40-30 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">00’ remains in the sign owned by Virgo. (The result of the energy caused by Mars and Venus). font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">This is explains why Saturn is strong at nights and also has a downward look beside other things. This also makes it clear why Saturn is considered to be the karmic indicator. This all points to Saturn, who is really teaching us the lesson. Whether we learn and benefit from the karmic lessons seems to be dependant on the strengths of the two luminaries. If Saturn does not exist, we would not come out afresh after each lesson as he plods along each house with his heavy karmic past. font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:blue"> Understanding this, the type of Sade Sati (karmic reactions), we can also try and correlate the details of nakshatras in there to see what transpires. font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Gauranga Prabhu, I know that you’ve said I shouldn’t be taking texts out from Puranas, S.B. etc and correlate them this way, but needing to make connections (bad habit of mine), I need to know why there such precise points of exaltation and debilitation. font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">I got no joy during the conference as no one came up with a plausible answer. 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Guest guest Posted February 10, 2003 Report Share Posted February 10, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Swee, Namaste. As for my part, I accept that I don't know many things yet. I think I will be able to clarify the stories about the planets opnly after I have gont through all the Puranas, which may take a few decades. Hitherto I have not seen any collection of excerpts from Puranas which is well referenced and explains the stories behind the planets. I admit that this will give some basis to explain the natural relationships, lordships, Mooltrikonas and exaltations down to even Nakshatra Paadas. Howvere before that I will need to do my own research to at least start to understand the Nakshatra lords and their creation. This I plan to do in this year. However I don't approve of the KP stuff you bring in by stating the planets that are lords of the different nakshatras. This is improper. The planets are lords of the Vimsottari mahadasas related to those Nakshatras. If you go through BPHS chapters about Udu Dashas or Sanjay's book, you will see that for Ashtottari os Shodashottari dasa a completely different set of planets is given correlated to the same Nakshatras. Now why did Krishna murthy take Vimsottari lords? Why not ashtottari? So I would rather stick to the Nakshatra Devatas in the anlysis you attempted, rather than linkin to the planets. First thing to do is to identify the genealogy of all the devatas who are amsa rulers, incl. Nakshatra lords and the planetary rulers. This I will attempt in the first chapters of my book including the explanation fo the process of creation. Without understanding this you can't be sure about your conclusion on the relationship of planets and Rasis/Nakshatras. This is a very deep subject and you should not be in a hurry understanding it. With sincere prayer and purity the understanding will come in due time. If these thing are not there, you will just think you have understood, and will be prone to make mistakes. Please wait till I compile these info and then you will be the first one anyway to geti it for editing. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - Swee Chan vedic astrology Saturday, February 08, 2003 5:09 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Classics on the Nakshatras-Jeremy, Gauranga Prabhu, et al Jaya Jagannatha Dear Jeremy, Gurus et al, Took on Nakshatra by Dennis Harness, is completely different from Subhakaran’s, in the sense that you enquired about the depth of descriptions where planets rule and the Deities reside etc. This particular one can be got from D.H.’s book. But, as with all the nakshatra books, you will need to collate information and draw your on conclusions. What is interesting to note are the exaltation points of each planet. In the following suppositions, I am only going into the correlation with the Sun, as it is exalted in the first Nakshatra in the 4th portion (pada). Sun: 10° Aries is the 4th pada of Aswini, which is in Ketu’s star, which is 10°00’-13°20’ in the sign ruled by Cancer. >From the Sun dynasty: Padma Purana 1.8. 39-40 The twins Yama and Yamuna (Aswini twins) were also born to Samjna (Sun’s wife). Then unable to bear Vivasva’s lustre (Sun’s exaltation) she, the beautiful daughter of Tvastr, produced from her own body, a blameless lady, Chaya (shadow)by name. Chayaputra is the name of the wife of the Sun. She was like the shadow or likeness of Samjna, the wife of the Sun. Samjna, on one occasion wanted to go to her father’s house and asked her husband’s permission which was denied. Determined to carry out her purpose, she created a woman exactly like her. Chaya produced a son called Sani (Saturn). It is evident we see the merging of the Atma (Sun, Narayana) with Mana (bright of Moon, Krishna), in perfect unison and harmony. The karmic controllers. The birth of Saturn indicates the dark side of the Moon (Chaya-Krishna Paksha). In BPHS, in the friendship table, you can now see why Saturn is enemies with the Sun and the Moon. Saturn’s debilitation in Aries (indicating the innocent child). The highest debilitation point is 20° Aries, which is in the nakshatra Bharani (13°20’ -26°40’ Aries), which is ruled by Venus (sexual union of the Venus and Mars-Aries interaction) It’s highest point of debilitation is 20°00’ Aries, which is in the sign Virgo (16°20-20°) where Venus is most debilitated (dark of Moon keeling to Sun’s whim) in the sign Virgo. (A child is always innocent). The Chitra nakshatra owned by Mars spans 23°20’ Virgo to 6°40’ Libra. Venus’ highest point of debilitation is 27°00’ Virgo. This point of exaltation at 26°40-30°00’ remains in the sign owned by Virgo. (The result of the energy caused by Mars and Venus). This is explains why Saturn is strong at nights and also has a downward look beside other things. This also makes it clear why Saturn is considered to be the karmic indicator. This all points to Saturn, who is really teaching us the lesson. Whether we learn and benefit from the karmic lessons seems to be dependant on the strengths of the two luminaries. If Saturn does not exist, we would not come out afresh after each lesson as he plods along each house with his heavy karmic past.Understanding this, the type of Sade Sati (karmic reactions), we can also try and correlate the details of nakshatras in there to see what transpires. Gauranga Prabhu, I know that you’ve said I shouldn’t be taking texts out from Puranas, S.B. etc and correlate them this way, but needing to make connections (bad habit of mine), I need to know why there such precise points of exaltation and debilitation. I got no joy during the conference as no one came up with a plausible answer. So this is my feeble attempt. Best wishes, 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2003 Report Share Posted February 10, 2003 font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Dear Gauranga Das, font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Hare Krishna font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">I shall be patient. font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Yours, 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Swee color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> -----Original Message----- Gauranga Das [gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net] Monday, February 10, 2003 12:26 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Classics on the Nakshatras-Jeremy, Gauranga Prabhu, et al JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Swee, Namaste. As for my part, I accept that I don't know many things yet. I think I will be able to clarify the stories about the planets opnly after I have gont through all the Puranas, which may take a few decades. Hitherto I have not seen any collection of excerpts from Puranas which is well referenced and explains the stories behind the planets. I admit that this will give some basis to explain the natural relationships, lordships, Mooltrikonas and exaltations down to even Nakshatra Paadas. Howvere before that I will need to do my own research to at least start to understand the Nakshatra lords and their creation. This I plan to do in this year. However I don't approve of the KP stuff you bring in by stating the planets that are lords of the different nakshatras. This is improper. The planets are lords of the Vimsottari mahadasas related to those Nakshatras. If you go through BPHS chapters about Udu Dashas or Sanjay's book, you will see that for Ashtottari os Shodashottari dasa a completely different set of planets is given correlated to the same Nakshatras. Now why did Krishna murthy take Vimsottari lords? Why not ashtottari? So I would rather stick to the Nakshatra Devatas in the anlysis you attempted, rather than linkin to the planets. First thing to do is to identify the genealogy of all the devatas who are amsa rulers, incl. Nakshatra lords and the planetary rulers. This I will attempt in the first chapters of my book including the explanation fo the process of creation. Without understanding this you can't be sure about your conclusion on the relationship of planets and Rasis/Nakshatras. This is a very deep subject and you should not be in a hurry understanding it. With sincere prayer and purity the understanding will come in due time. If these thing are not there, you will just think you have understood, and will be prone to make mistakes. Please wait till I compile these info and then you will be the first one anyway to geti it for editing. windowtext"> Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">----- Original Message ----- margin-left:39.75pt;background:#E4E4E4;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> Swee Chan Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">vedic astrology color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Saturday, February 08, 2003 5:09 PM margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> font-weight:bold">RE: [vedic astrology] Classics on the Nakshatras-Jeremy, Gauranga Prabhu, et al color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Dear Jeremy, Gurus et al, solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Took on Nakshatra by Dennis Harness, is completely different from Subhakaran’s, in the sense that you enquired about the depth of descriptions where planets rule and the Deities reside etc. This particular one can be got from D.H.’s book. But, as with all the nakshatra books, you will need to collate information and draw your on conclusions. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">What is interesting to note are the exaltation points of each planet. In the following suppositions, I am only going into the correlation with the Sun, as it is exalted in the first Nakshatra in the 4th portion (pada). solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Sun: 10 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> Aries is the 4th pada of Aswini, which is in Ketu’s star, which is 10 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">00’-13 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">20’ in the sign ruled by Cancer. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">From the Sun dynasty: Padma Purana 1.8. 39-40 solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">The twins Yama and Yamuna (Aswini twins) were also born to Samjna (Sun’s wife). Then unable to bear Vivasva’s lustre (Sun’s exaltation) she, the beautiful daughter of Tvastr, produced from her own body, a blameless lady, Chaya (shadow)by name. tab-stops:list 1.0in;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol">· 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Chayaputra is the name of the wife of the Sun. She was like the shadow or likeness of Samjna, the wife of the Sun. Samjna, on one occasion wanted to go to her father’s house and asked her husband’s permission which was denied. Determined to carry out her purpose, she created a woman exactly like her. Chaya produced a son called Sani (Saturn). 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">It is evident we see the merging of the Atma (Sun, Narayana) with Mana (bright of Moon, Krishna), in perfect unison and harmony. The karmic controllers. 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:blue"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">The birth of Saturn indicates the dark side of the Moon (Chaya-Krishna Paksha). In BPHS, in the friendship table, you can now see why Saturn is enemies with the Sun and the Moon. mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:blue"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Saturn’s debilitation in Aries (indicating the innocent child). The highest debilitation point is 20 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> Aries, which is in the nakshatra Bharani (13 12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana;mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">20’ -26 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">40’ Aries), which is ruled by Venus (sexual union of the Venus and Mars-Aries interaction) It’s highest point of debilitation is 20 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">00’ Aries, which is in the sign Virgo (16 font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana;mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana; mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol"> symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">20-20 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">) where Venus is most debilitated (dark of Moon keeling to Sun’s whim) in the sign Virgo. (A child is always innocent). The Chitra nakshatra owned by Mars spans 23 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">20’ Virgo to 6 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">40’ Libra. Venus’ highest point of debilitation is 27 12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana;mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">00’ Virgo. This point of exaltation at 26 font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana;mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana; mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol"> symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">40-30 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Symbol;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Symbol">° 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">00’ remains in the sign owned by Virgo. (The result of the energy caused by Mars and Venus). solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">This is explains why Saturn is strong at nights and also has a downward look beside other things. This also makes it clear why Saturn is considered to be the karmic indicator. This all points to Saturn, who is really teaching us the lesson. Whether we learn and benefit from the karmic lessons seems to be dependant on the strengths of the two luminaries. If Saturn does not exist, we would not come out afresh after each lesson as he plods along each house with his heavy karmic past. mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:blue"> Understanding this, the type of Sade Sati (karmic reactions), we can also try and correlate the details of nakshatras in there to see what transpires. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Gauranga Prabhu, I know that you’ve said I shouldn’t be taking texts out from Puranas, S.B. etc and correlate them this way, but needing to make connections (bad habit of mine), I need to know why there such precise points of exaltation and debilitation. solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">I got no joy during the conference as no one came up with a plausible answer. 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