Karketana- Sarbani

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font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha

font-family:Verdana">Dear Sarbani,

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font-family:Verdana">Karketana:

font-family:Verdana">GP.1.73.3 Not far from the lofty mountain of Vidura and

very near the frontiers of Kamabhutika can be found the mines of Karketana.

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font-family:Verdana">The clue is “not far” from the mountain.

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font-family:Verdana">In the locality of Switzerland, the monoclinic potash

feldspar (called Adularia), gemmy material is rarely found as euhedral

(well-formed) crystals. In Upper Burma and Malagasy, these are found in green,

orange, yellow but the main deposits are from Sri Lanka called the Moonstone,

mostly appearing in white (if cut too deep). Cat’s eye effect is due to

inclusions (lath like cracks) which run parallel to the vertical axis of the

crystal.

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font-family:Verdana">GP.1.73.1 There are spurious gems resembling Karketana,

such as Girikaca, Sisupala and glass crystals affected by smoky colour.

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The feldspars are closely allied in

form and habit as well as in their mode of their occurrence, are aluminous

silicates of potassium etc These are usually divided into 4 sub groups:

font-family:Verdana">Moonstone; Colourless, yellow pale sheen with fluorescence

of blue and orange

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12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">a)

12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">orthoclase and microcline – Malagasy (champagne

colour) and Upper Burma: orange, mango colour; can be confused with several

yellow stones. Hardness 6-6.5

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12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">b)

12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Amazonite: Can be confused with Jade: Green or

blue-green from Amazon, Colorado, USA, Namibia. Hardness 6-6.5

12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Labradorite: Dark grey to grey black with play of

colour due to metallic tints; orange, mango, red, crimson, blue, green. From

Canadian Peninsular. Hardness 6-6.5

12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">The others not mentioned in here that have a

hardness of 7-7.5, are mainly collectibles. (Includes Iolite-all shades of

blue, Andalusite- yellow, green, brown red Euclase –colourless or sea green

etc)

12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">There are others that fall in this category which

are collectibles. With the hardness of 2 that I have come across so far, is one

called Ulexite: This is also called a TV stone. Place the stone on top of a

piece of writing, and the words appear on the top. (I have one

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12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Described in the GP as Soft or glass crystals:

12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">GP.1.73.13 An intelligent man can easily see the

difference. A universal characteristic of alieness is glossy surface, lightness

(specific gravity), and softness of touch. (Mohs’ scale)

12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">1.73.10 A glass piece can be detected by its

inability to scratch (softness )

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12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">c)

12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Rhodocrosite: Opaque (affected by smoky

colour?)Rose red to white striped Hardness 4

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12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">d)

12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Aventurine feldspar:

yes"> Considered to be glass. Orange, red-brown, sparkling with

fluorescence of dark brown red. Glass crystals. First found in Italy. Deposits

in USA, India, Canada, Russia and southern part of Norway.

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12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Rhodonite: Red with black inclusions (affected with

trasa) Hardness 5.5 – 6

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12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">f)

12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Turquoise: Sky blue, blue-green, apple green with

streaks of white, but usually with brown or black spots. Harness 5-6

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12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">g)

12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Lapis Lazuli: Blue with strong white fluorescence.

Hardness 5-6

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12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">h)

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white streaks Harness 5.5-6

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12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">i)

12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Azurite: Dark blue. Harness 3.5-4

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12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">j)

12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Malachite: Green, light green, emerald green, black

green with colour streaks of light green. Harness 3.5-4

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font-family:Verdana">According to GP, the conclusion is that anything that

falls in the hardness of less than glass, are not to be considered. Not great

news for the Lapis fans, I’m afraid.

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12.0pt;font-family:Verdana">It leave me doubtless that Karketana is the

collection of the above + more within this family of gems.

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Dear Swee,

 

Karkatena? I think inadvertantly this must be an oversight. 1.73

describes vaidurya and 1.75 is karkatena! Anyway vaidurya is found on

the 'peaks' of Vidura mountain which is situated on the 'boundaries'

of Kamabhutika. See shloka below:

 

avidure vidurasya gireruttungurodhasah

kamabhutikaseemanamanu tasyakaro bhabet

 

Please note 'giritunga' and 'kamabhutikaseema'. All that you write

applies to vaidurya. So you are coming to the conclusion that it is

cat's eye/moonstone? And that lapis etc. are inferior imitates which

appear the same? You have included Iolite in this group. You have

identified Iolite as Indraneela. But Indraneela, as per GP, belongs

to the same class of stones as Padmaraag and Pushparaag, the

sapphires.

 

Karkatena (1.75) is found in padmavana, by which I presume it is a

lotus garden. Van means forest, but as far as my knowlege goes you

cannot have a lotus forest. Lotus grows in water,marshy land etc. So

it must be a natural forest with a lotus lake (like you have in the

forests of Ranthambhore in Rajasthan)which is predominted by lotus

plants. Karkatena is many coloured: blood, honey, light mango,

yellowish, fiery golden, blue and white. The best karketana is clear,

soothing, even coloured, slightly yellow, and varied. If heated in a

gold vessel, the gem glows and becomes bright. The best karkatena

glows like the midday sun (pratyagrabhasvaradivakarasuprakasham).

 

Best regards,

 

Sarbani

 

vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote:

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Sarbani,

>

> Karketana:

> GP.1.73.3 Not far from the lofty mountain of Vidura and very near

the

> frontiers of Kamabhutika can be found the mines of Karketana.

>

> The clue is "not far" from the mountain.

>

> In the locality of Switzerland, the monoclinic potash feldspar

(called

> Adularia), gemmy material is rarely found as euhedral (well-formed)

> crystals. In Upper Burma and Malagasy, these are found in green,

orange,

> yellow but the main deposits are from Sri Lanka called the

Moonstone, mostly

> appearing in white (if cut too deep). Cat's eye effect is due to

inclusions

> (lath like cracks) which run parallel to the vertical axis of the

crystal.

>

> GP.1.73.1 There are spurious gems resembling Karketana, such as

Girikaca,

> Sisupala and glass crystals affected by smoky colour.

>

> The feldspars are closely allied in form and habit as well as in

their mode

> of their occurrence, are aluminous silicates of potassium etc These

are

> usually divided into 4 sub groups:

> Moonstone; Colourless, yellow pale sheen with fluorescence of blue

and

> orange

> a) orthoclase and microcline – Malagasy (champagne colour)

and Upper

> Burma: orange, mango colour; can be confused with several yellow

stones.

> Hardness 6-6.5

> b) Amazonite: Can be confused with Jade: Green or blue-green

from

> Amazon, Colorado, USA, Namibia. Hardness 6-6.5

> Labradorite: Dark grey to grey black with play of colour due to

metallic

> tints; orange, mango, red, crimson, blue, green. From Canadian

Peninsular.

> Hardness 6-6.5

> The others not mentioned in here that have a hardness of 7-7.5, are

mainly

> collectibles. (Includes Iolite-all shades of blue, Andalusite-

yellow,

> green, brown red Euclase –colourless or sea green etc)

> There are others that fall in this category which are collectibles.

With the

> hardness of 2 that I have come across so far, is one called

Ulexite: This is

> also called a TV stone. Place the stone on top of a piece of

writing, and

> the words appear on the top. (I have one :-))

> ____________

>

> Described in the GP as Soft or glass crystals:

> GP.1.73.13 An intelligent man can easily see the difference. A

universal

> characteristic of alieness is glossy surface, lightness (specific

gravity),

> and softness of touch. (Mohs' scale)

> 1.73.10 A glass piece can be detected by its inability to scratch

> (softness )

>

> c) Rhodocrosite: Opaque (affected by smoky colour?)Rose red

to white

> striped Hardness 4

> d) Aventurine feldspar: Considered to be glass. Orange, red-

brown,

> sparkling with fluorescence of dark brown red. Glass crystals.

First found

> in Italy. Deposits in USA, India, Canada, Russia and southern part

of

> Norway.

> e) Rhodonite: Red with black inclusions (affected with trasa)

> Hardness 5.5 – 6

> f) Turquoise: Sky blue, blue-green, apple green with

streaks of

> white, but usually with brown or black spots. Harness 5-6

> g) Lapis Lazuli: Blue with strong white fluorescence.

Hardness 5-6

> h) Sodalite: Blue-grey with white streaks Harness 5.5-6

> i) Azurite: Dark blue. Harness 3.5-4

> j) Malachite: Green, light green, emerald green, black

green with

> colour streaks of light green. Harness 3.5-4

>

> According to GP, the conclusion is that anything that falls in the

hardness

> of less than glass, are not to be considered. Not great news for

the Lapis

> fans, I'm afraid.

>

> It leave me doubtless that Karketana is the collection of the above

+ more

> within this family of gems.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Swee

> swee@b...

>

> http://www.brihaspati.net/ <http://www.brihaspati.net/>

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JAYA JAGANNATHA.

 

Dear Swee,

 

Hare Krishna.

 

If you are looking to identify place names mentioned in Puranas, Brihat Samhita gives some clues.

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies:

WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839

 

-

Swee Chan

vedic astrology

Saturday, February 08, 2003 5:09 PM

[vedic astrology] Karketana- Sarbani

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Sarbani,

 

Karketana:

GP.1.73.3 Not far from the lofty mountain of Vidura and very near the frontiers

of Kamabhutika can be found the mines of Karketana.

 

The clue is “not far” from the mountain.

 

In the locality of Switzerland, the monoclinic potash feldspar (called

Adularia), gemmy material is rarely found as euhedral (well-formed) crystals.

In Upper Burma and Malagasy, these are found in green, orange, yellow but the

main deposits are from Sri Lanka called the Moonstone, mostly appearing in

white (if cut too deep). Cat’s eye effect is due to inclusions (lath like

cracks) which run parallel to the vertical axis of the crystal.

 

GP.1.73.1 There are spurious gems resembling Karketana, such as Girikaca,

Sisupala and glass crystals affected by smoky colour.

The feldspars are closely allied in form and habit as well as in their mode of

their occurrence, are aluminous silicates of potassium etc These are usually

divided into 4 sub groups:

Moonstone; Colourless, yellow pale sheen with fluorescence of blue and orange

a) orthoclase and microcline – Malagasy (champagne colour) and Upper

Burma: orange, mango colour; can be confused with several yellow stones.

Hardness 6-6.5

b) Amazonite: Can be confused with Jade: Green or blue-green from Amazon,

Colorado, USA, Namibia. Hardness 6-6.5

Labradorite: Dark grey to grey black with play of colour due to metallic tints;

orange, mango, red, crimson, blue, green. From Canadian Peninsular. Hardness

6-6.5

 

MY FAVOURITE.

 

The others not mentioned in here that have a hardness of 7-7.5, are mainly

collectibles. (Includes Iolite-all shades of blue, Andalusite- yellow, green,

brown red Euclase –colourless or sea green etc)

There are others that fall in this category which are collectibles. With the

hardness of 2 that I have come across so far, is one called Ulexite: This is

also called a TV stone. Place the stone on top of a piece of writing, and the

words appear on the top. (I have one J)

____________

 

Described in the GP as Soft or glass crystals:

GP.1.73.13 An intelligent man can easily see the difference. A universal

characteristic of alieness is glossy surface, lightness (specific gravity), and

softness of touch. (Mohs’ scale)

1.73.10 A glass piece can be detected by its inability to scratch (softness )

 

c) Rhodocrosite: Opaque (affected by smoky colour?)Rose red to white

striped Hardness 4

d) Aventurine feldspar: Considered to be glass. Orange, red-brown,

sparkling with fluorescence of dark brown red. Glass crystals. First found in

Italy. Deposits in USA, India, Canada, Russia and southern part of Norway.

e) Rhodonite: Red with black inclusions (affected with trasa) Hardness

5.5 – 6

f) Turquoise: Sky blue, blue-green, apple green with streaks of white,

but usually with brown or black spots. Harness 5-6

g) Lapis Lazuli: Blue with strong white fluorescence. Hardness 5-6

h) Sodalite: Blue-grey with white streaks Harness 5.5-6

i) Azurite: Dark blue. Harness 3.5-4

j) Malachite: Green, light green, emerald green, black green with

colour streaks of light green. Harness 3.5-4

 

According to GP, the conclusion is that anything that falls in the hardness of

less than glass, are not to be considered. Not great news for the Lapis fans,

I’m afraid.

 

It leave me doubtless that Karketana is the collection of the above + more

within this family of gems.

 

Best wishes,

 

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