Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Dear Gili, font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">So gracious of you to do so, and I appreciate this. font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Best wishes, font-family:Verdana"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Swee color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> -----Original Message----- Gili Alvey [gilimary (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] Friday, February 07, 2003 12:29 AM To: vedic astrology [vedic astrology] for swee - plants windowtext"> Parijata is Nyctanthes arbor-tristis (Linn.) color:black"> (refPlant Myths and Traditions in India by Shakti M. Gupta) forgive me for interfering Love, Gili _______________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail "Courier New";color:black"> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of Groups is subject to the Terms of Service. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Dear Chadrashekar, font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">The indigenous plants is what I am tracking down. 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This is a small tree which ,when flowering flush arrives is covered with fragrant white flowers with vermillion stalk.The flowers drop early in the morning and the ground below is covered as if by a carpet of flowers. The plant is mentioned in Mahabharata. If you remember that Rukmini the Consort of Lord Krishna was daughter of King of Vidarbha(This is the part of India where I live)you will understand how the plant reached Dwarka. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> This tree is indegeneous to India and used to be found in almost all the houses (including ours) in my city of Nagpur in central India when I was a kid. windowtext"> I shall try to send an image if I could locate a picture on the net. windowtext"> Chandrashekhar. ----- Original Message ----- mso-color-alt:windowtext"> background:#E4E4E4"> margin-left:38.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> Swee Chan Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:38.5pt;background:white;mso-shading:transparent;border:none; mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> color:black;font-weight:bold">vedic astrology color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:38.5pt;background:white;mso-shading:transparent;border:none; mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> color:black;font-weight:bold">Friday, February 07, 2003 6:06 PM margin-left:38.5pt;background:white;mso-shading:transparent;border:none; mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> color:black;font-weight:bold">Subject: color:black"> RE: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:38.5pt;background:white;mso-shading:transparent;border:none; mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> color:black"> border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-family:Verdana"> border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-family:Verdana">Dear Gili, border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-family:Verdana"> border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-family:Verdana">Lovely of you to do so, and I appreciate this. However, I also need to know where these plants are indigenous, then collate information of deposits around the world. (Birds next mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana;mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol; mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings"> Wingdings">J font-family:Verdana">) border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-family:Verdana"> border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-family:Verdana">Best wishes, border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-family:Verdana"> transparent;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in; mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-begin'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Swee color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> transparent;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in; mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 12.0pt;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> transparent;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in; mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> transparent;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in; mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> color:black"> Gili Alvey [gilimary (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] Friday, February 07, 2003 12:29 AM To: vedic astrology [vedic astrology] for swee - plants mso-color-alt:windowtext"> solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> color:black">Parijata is Nyctanthes arbor-tristis (Linn.) 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Guest guest Posted February 8, 2003 Report Share Posted February 8, 2003 Dear Swee, The Botanical Survey of India has just brought out several volumes on the indigenous plants of India, known as ethnobotanical survey. Ethnobotany has been long neglected in India and has been studied seriously only in the past 7-8 years. Let me see if I can send you any links. Regards, Swee vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Chadrashekar, > > The indigenous plants is what I am tracking down. I will work this out with > my Botanist Prof. > Yes, a picture sent to me personally would be lovely. > > Thank you. > > Swee > swee@b... > > http://www.brihaspati.net/ <http://www.brihaspati.net/> > > > Chandrashekhar [boxdel] > Friday, February 07, 2003 9:04 PM > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > Dear Swee, > I suppose you are asking about Parijata. This is a small tree which ,when > flowering flush arrives is covered with fragrant white flowers with > vermillion stalk.The flowers drop early in the morning and the ground below > is covered as if by a carpet of flowers. The plant is mentioned in > Mahabharata. If you remember that Rukmini the Consort of Lord Krishna was > daughter of King of Vidarbha(This is the part of India where I live) you will > understand how the plant reached Dwarka. > This tree is indegeneous to India and used to be found in almost all the > houses (including ours) in my city of Nagpur in central India when I was a > kid. > I shall try to send an image if I could locate a picture on the net. > Chandrashekhar. > > - > Swee Chan <swee@c...> > vedic astrology <vedic- astrology> > Friday, February 07, 2003 6:06 PM > RE: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Gili, > > Lovely of you to do so, and I appreciate this. However, I also need to know > where these plants are indigenous, then collate information of deposits > around the world. (Birds next :-)) > > Best wishes, > > Swee > swee@b... <swee@b...> > > http://www.brihaspati.net/ <http://www.brihaspati.net/> > > > Gili Alvey [gilimary@h...] > Friday, February 07, 2003 12:29 AM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > Parijata is Nyctanthes arbor-tristis (Linn.) > (refPlant Myths and Traditions in India by Shakti M. Gupta) > forgive me for interfering > Love, > Gili > > _______________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service > <> . > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service > <> . > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service > <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2003 Report Share Posted February 8, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Candrasekhar, Namaste. As far as I remember from Bhagavatam, the Parijata was brought from Indraloka to Rukmini by Krishna. Now if it's a heavenly plant, do we expect it to grow indigenously after the departure of Bhagavan? I would be cautious of that unless I see a reference saying that it was able to reproduce itself on the Earth and thus became indigenous. As far as I remember, it was regarded by the residents of Dwaraka as a very special gift, not a commonly growing plant. This is also true for the Soma plant, which is indigenous in Svargaloka, but some interpretators tend to identify it with some earthly plant with intoxicating juice, which I cannot accept blindly. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 8:03 PM Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Dear Swee, I suppose you are asking about Parijata. This is a small tree which ,when flowering flush arrives is covered with fragrant white flowers with vermillion stalk.The flowers drop early in the morning and the ground below is covered as if by a carpet of flowers. The plant is mentioned in Mahabharata. If you remember that Rukmini the Consort of Lord Krishna was daughter of King of Vidarbha(This is the part of India where I live)you will understand how the plant reached Dwarka. This tree is indegeneous to India and used to be found in almost all the houses (including ours) in my city of Nagpur in central India when I was a kid. I shall try to send an image if I could locate a picture on the net. Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 6:06 PM RE: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gili, Lovely of you to do so, and I appreciate this. However, I also need to know where these plants are indigenous, then collate information of deposits around the world. (Birds next J) Best wishes, 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> Gili Alvey [gilimary (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:29 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Parijata is Nyctanthes arbor-tristis (Linn.)(refPlant Myths and Traditions in India by Shakti M. Gupta)forgive me for interfering :)Love,Gili_______________Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmailArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 Dear Gauranga Das, I am certain that you are well versed in scriptures.Therefore I need not tell you that Indra's capital was known as Amaravati. Amaravati is located in Vidarbha near Kaundinyapur which was the Capital of Vidarbharaaj. Parijaat mentioned is therefore definitely the one that exists here.Even its growing flowering and flower shedding habits are identical. I do not to the theory that what is stated in Puranas exists in some Loka other than the Prithviloka, and is mere myth. Otherwise there would not have been rakshasas in Dandakaranyaa, as their abode is supposed to be Paataala. If we accept the theory that the various lokas mentioned were ethereal then Kailash, Ganga, Badrinath and Rameshwaram etc. would not exist in India. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Gauranga Das vedic astrology Saturday, February 08, 2003 6:30 PM Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Candrasekhar, Namaste. As far as I remember from Bhagavatam, the Parijata was brought from Indraloka to Rukmini by Krishna. Now if it's a heavenly plant, do we expect it to grow indigenously after the departure of Bhagavan? I would be cautious of that unless I see a reference saying that it was able to reproduce itself on the Earth and thus became indigenous. As far as I remember, it was regarded by the residents of Dwaraka as a very special gift, not a commonly growing plant. This is also true for the Soma plant, which is indigenous in Svargaloka, but some interpretators tend to identify it with some earthly plant with intoxicating juice, which I cannot accept blindly. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 8:03 PM Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Dear Swee, I suppose you are asking about Parijata. This is a small tree which ,when flowering flush arrives is covered with fragrant white flowers with vermillion stalk.The flowers drop early in the morning and the ground below is covered as if by a carpet of flowers. The plant is mentioned in Mahabharata. If you remember that Rukmini the Consort of Lord Krishna was daughter of King of Vidarbha(This is the part of India where I live)you will understand how the plant reached Dwarka. This tree is indegeneous to India and used to be found in almost all the houses (including ours) in my city of Nagpur in central India when I was a kid. I shall try to send an image if I could locate a picture on the net. Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 6:06 PM RE: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gili, Lovely of you to do so, and I appreciate this. However, I also need to know where these plants are indigenous, then collate information of deposits around the world. (Birds next J) Best wishes, 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> Gili Alvey [gilimary (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:29 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Parijata is Nyctanthes arbor-tristis (Linn.)(refPlant Myths and Traditions in India by Shakti M. Gupta)forgive me for interfering :)Love,Gili_______________Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmailArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Dear Sarbani, font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">If possible, you could give me the publisher if you cannot find the link. mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:blue"> BTW, Botany is also for my own interest as I collect medicinal plants from all over the world. The next one in line for May, which has already been traced, will come from Java. (the rudraksha tree. The locals use its bark for dysentery etc). font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Best regards, font-family:Verdana"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Swee color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> -----Original Message----- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org> [sarbani (AT) (DOT) org] Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:44 AM To: vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: for swee - plants windowtext"> Dear Swee, "Courier New";color:black"> The Botanical Survey of India has just brought out several volumes on the indigenous plants of India, known as ethnobotanical survey. Ethnobotany has been long neglected in India and has been studied seriously only in the past 7-8 years. Let me see if I can send you any links. Regards, Swee vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Chadrashekar, > > The indigenous plants is what I am tracking down. I will work this out with > my Botanist Prof. > Yes, a picture sent to me personally would be lovely. > > Thank you. > > Swee > swee@b... > > http://www.brihaspati.net/ <http://www.brihaspati.net/> > > > Chandrashekhar [boxdel] > Friday, February 07, 2003 9:04 PM > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > Dear Swee, > I suppose you are asking about Parijata. This is a small tree which ,when > flowering flush arrives is covered with fragrant white flowers with > vermillion stalk.The flowers drop early in the morning and the ground below > is covered as if by a carpet of flowers. The plant is mentioned in > Mahabharata. If you remember that Rukmini the Consort of Lord Krishna was > daughter of King of Vidarbha(This is the part of India where I live) you will > understand how the plant reached Dwarka. > This tree is indegeneous to India and used to be found in almost all the > houses (including ours) in my city of Nagpur in central India when I was a > kid. > I shall try to send an image if I could locate a picture on the net. > Chandrashekhar. > > - > Swee Chan <swee@c...> > vedic astrology <vedic- astrology> > Friday, February 07, 2003 6:06 PM > RE: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Gili, > > Lovely of you to do so, and I appreciate this. However, I also need to know > where these plants are indigenous, then collate information of deposits > around the world. (Birds next :-)) > > Best wishes, > > Swee > swee@b... <swee@b...> > > http://www.brihaspati.net/ <http://www.brihaspati.net/> > > > Gili Alvey [gilimary@h...] > Friday, February 07, 2003 12:29 AM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > Parijata is Nyctanthes arbor-tristis (Linn.) > (refPlant Myths and Traditions in India by Shakti M. Gupta) > forgive me for interfering > Love, > Gili > > _______________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service > <> .. > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service > <> .. > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service > <> .. "Courier New";color:black"> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of Groups is subject to the Terms of Service. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 Dear Swee, Since we're on the subject of herbs, I might as well get a lil' clarification. I've heard that the herbs of the various planets are as under: Sun: MilkWeed (Arka-bhasma) Moon: Butia Frandosa (Palasa-bhasma) Mars: Couch Plant (Khadira-bhasma) Mercury: Achyranthes (Apamarga-bhasma) Jupiter: Ficus Religiosa (Pippala-bhasma) Venus: Ficus Glomerata (Audumbara-bhasma) Saturn: Prosopis (Shami-bhasma) Rahu: Cynodon Dactylon (Durva-bhasma) Ketu: Sacrificial Grass (Kusa-bhasma) Is there any authenticity to the list or...? Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Swee Chan vedic astrology Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:44 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Re: for swee - plants Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, If possible, you could give me the publisher if you cannot find the link. BTW, Botany is also for my own interest as I collect medicinal plants from all over the world. The next one in line for May, which has already been traced, will come from Java. (the rudraksha tree. The locals use its bark for dysentery etc). Best regards, 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Dear Ramapriya, font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">You’ve missed out Dhurva grass for sacrifical rites. It grows in abundance here and is classified as indigenous invasive weed. I guess Kusa grass is the common nut grass over here (with rhizomes). The other ones being used are Asoka (Hibiscus) font-family:Verdana">Would be nice if you could send me (privately) a picture of Arka. The flower and leaf. font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">BTW, Bhasma as I know it is the ashes left after the sacrificial rites. All sacrificial rites can be read in details (though not the fullest) from the Puranas. The secrets are verbally passed on by one’s Guru. font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Hope this helps. font-family:Verdana"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Swee color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> -----Original Message----- Ramapriya D [hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com] Sunday, February 09, 2003 4:27 PM To: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Dear Swee, Since we're on the subject of herbs, I might as well get a lil' clarification. I've heard that the herbs of the various planets are as under: Sun: MilkWeed (Arka-bhasma) mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Moon: Butia Frandosa (Palasa-bhasma) mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Mars: Couch Plant (Khadira-bhasma) mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Mercury: Achyranthes (Apamarga-bhasma) Jupiter: Ficus Religiosa (Pippala-bhasma) Venus: Ficus Glomerata (Audumbara-bhasma) Saturn: Prosopis (Shami-bhasma) mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Rahu: Cynodon Dactylon (Durva-bhasma) mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Ketu: Sacrificial Grass (Kusa-bhasma) Is there any authenticity to the list or...? Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com ----- Original Message ----- mso-color-alt:windowtext"> background:#E4E4E4"> margin-left:38.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> Swee Chan Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:38.5pt;background:white;mso-shading:transparent;border:none; mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> color:black;font-weight:bold">vedic astrology color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:38.5pt;background:white;mso-shading:transparent;border:none; mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> color:black;font-weight:bold">Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:44 PM mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:38.5pt;background:white;mso-shading:transparent;border:none; mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> color:black;font-weight:bold">Subject: color:black"> RE: [vedic astrology] Re: for swee - plants color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:38.5pt;background:white;mso-shading:transparent;border:none; mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> color:black"> border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-family:Verdana"> border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-family:Verdana">Dear Sarbani, border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-family:Verdana"> border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-family:Verdana">If possible, you could give me the publisher if you cannot find the link. mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:blue"> BTW, Botany is also for my own interest as I collect medicinal plants from all over the world. The next one in line for May, which has already been traced, will come from Java. (the rudraksha tree. 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Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 Hi Swee, Does this help? Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Swee Chan vedic astrology Monday, February 10, 2003 2:44 AM RE: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Jaya Jagannatha Dear Ramapriya, You’ve missed out Dhurva grass for sacrifical rites. It grows in abundance here and is classified as indigenous invasive weed. I guess Kusa grass is the common nut grass over here (with rhizomes).The other ones being used are Asoka (Hibiscus) Would be nice if you could send me (privately) a picture of Arka. The flower and leaf. BTW, Bhasma as I know it is the ashes left after the sacrificial rites. All sacrificial rites can be read in details (though not the fullest) from the Puranas. The secrets are verbally passed on by one’s Guru. Hope this helps. 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> Ramapriya D [hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com]Sunday, February 09, 2003 4:27 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Dear Swee, Since we're on the subject of herbs, I might as well get a lil' clarification. I've heard that the herbs of the various planets are as under: Sun: MilkWeed (Arka-bhasma) Moon: Butia Frandosa (Palasa-bhasma) Mars: Couch Plant (Khadira-bhasma) Mercury: Achyranthes (Apamarga-bhasma) Jupiter: Ficus Religiosa (Pippala-bhasma) Venus: Ficus Glomerata (Audumbara-bhasma) Saturn: Prosopis (Shami-bhasma) Rahu: Cynodon Dactylon (Durva-bhasma) Ketu: Sacrificial Grass (Kusa-bhasma) Is there any authenticity to the list or...? Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Swee Chan vedic astrology Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:44 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Re: for swee - plants Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, If possible, you could give me the publisher if you cannot find the link. BTW, Botany is also for my own interest as I collect medicinal plants from all over the world. The next one in line for May, which has already been traced, will come from Java. (the rudraksha tree. The locals use its bark for dysentery etc). Best regards, 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-begin'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> field-end'> Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Attachment: (image/jpeg) Sun-herb-opt.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2003 Report Share Posted February 10, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Chandrasekhar, Namaste. Your doubting that other Lokas or planes of life exist in the universe is almost equal to the viewpoint of Christian Indologists, who plainly stated that the whole thing is a myth. Undoubtedly, all the tirthas (holy places in the universe are manifest in Bharat-varsha, especially in the Dhamas Vrindavana and Navadvipa. But the confudsion may come from the following: At the times of Krishna, all the demigods used to visit Him in Dwaraka, including Brahma, Indra etc. And then they returned to their abodes. I would like to refer you to the Srimad Bhagavatam and my article in Jyotish Digest about Tima and Space in Vedas and Puranas. Even the movement of the Kalacakra is different on these different lokas, so obviously the are situated in different places in space. The statement of the shastra should be taken directly, not interpreted accordin to our faith or lack of it. If Indra lives in Amaravati, where is he now? Why can't we pay a visit to him? Those who have lack of faith in the Vedic tradition, try to search for logical and empiric proofs, which may or may not be there. However the lack of proof does not justify distorting the revelation of the shastra to adjust to the reality perceived by us. Kalisah is undoubrtedly there, but at the same time the origina Kailashi is outside this universe, an the junction of Pradhaan and Brahmajyoti. Also Rakshasas may visit the Earth especially in Kali yuga, but this would not nullify the description of Atala, Sutala, Vitala, etc. subterranean planets. Please see the description of the demon Bala or Maharaj Bali. This is not on this Earth. Ganga is also originated in Gangotri, but if you study the story of the Ganga coming to the earthly plane and Lord Shiva being the only person able to support it, then it is obvious that it is originating outside the universe, from the hole created by the toe of Urukrama or Vaamanadeva. So by bathing in Ganga, Jupiter may be propitiated very nicely. Also accoridng to the description of the Bhagavatam, the river Ganga fflows through all the planetary systems, forming the current that we call as the Milky way. The description of the universe in the Bhagavatam is based on the divine vision of the Maharishis. The earthlings are not able to see thing in that way, so for us a more perceptible picture is given in the Surya Siddhanta. However the contraictions between the two, for ecxample about the size of the universe should never be resloved agains the conclusion of Srimad Bhagavatam which is grantha-raaja, i.e. the king of all scriptures. I hope this helps. Have a good read. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:33 AM Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Dear Gauranga Das, I am certain that you are well versed in scriptures.Therefore I need not tell you that Indra's capital was known as Amaravati. Amaravati is located in Vidarbha near Kaundinyapur which was the Capital of Vidarbharaaj. Parijaat mentioned is therefore definitely the one that exists here.Even its growing flowering and flower shedding habits are identical. I do not to the theory that what is stated in Puranas exists in some Loka other than the Prithviloka, and is mere myth. Otherwise there would not have been rakshasas in Dandakaranyaa, as their abode is supposed to be Paataala. If we accept the theory that the various lokas mentioned were ethereal then Kailash, Ganga, Badrinath and Rameshwaram etc. would not exist in India. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Gauranga Das vedic astrology Saturday, February 08, 2003 6:30 PM Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Candrasekhar, Namaste. As far as I remember from Bhagavatam, the Parijata was brought from Indraloka to Rukmini by Krishna. Now if it's a heavenly plant, do we expect it to grow indigenously after the departure of Bhagavan? I would be cautious of that unless I see a reference saying that it was able to reproduce itself on the Earth and thus became indigenous. As far as I remember, it was regarded by the residents of Dwaraka as a very special gift, not a commonly growing plant. This is also true for the Soma plant, which is indigenous in Svargaloka, but some interpretators tend to identify it with some earthly plant with intoxicating juice, which I cannot accept blindly. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 8:03 PM Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Dear Swee, I suppose you are asking about Parijata. This is a small tree which ,when flowering flush arrives is covered with fragrant white flowers with vermillion stalk.The flowers drop early in the morning and the ground below is covered as if by a carpet of flowers. The plant is mentioned in Mahabharata. If you remember that Rukmini the Consort of Lord Krishna was daughter of King of Vidarbha(This is the part of India where I live)you will understand how the plant reached Dwarka. This tree is indegeneous to India and used to be found in almost all the houses (including ours) in my city of Nagpur in central India when I was a kid. I shall try to send an image if I could locate a picture on the net. Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 6:06 PM RE: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gili, Lovely of you to do so, and I appreciate this. However, I also need to know where these plants are indigenous, then collate information of deposits around the world. (Birds next J) Best wishes, 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> Gili Alvey [gilimary (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:29 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Parijata is Nyctanthes arbor-tristis (Linn.)(refPlant Myths and Traditions in India by Shakti M. Gupta)forgive me for interfering :)Love,Gili_______________Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted February 10, 2003 Report Share Posted February 10, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Ramapriya, Namaste. Bhasma means ashes, Most probably the list you are referring to is the list of firewood used for the havan (fire sacrifice) for the navagrahas. Maharishis Parashara gives the following list: arkah palaashah khadirastvapaamaargastu pippalah udumbarah shami durvaa kushaasca samidhah kramaat I.e. for the Sun - Arka (Calatropis Gigantea) , for Moon - Palaasha (Butea Frondosa), for Mars - Khadira (Acacia catechu), for Mercury - Apamaarga (Achyranthes Aspera), for Jupiter - Pippala (Ficus Religiosa), for Venus - Udumbara (Ficus Racemosa), for Saturn - Shami (Prosopis Spicigera), for Rahu - Durva grass (Panicum Dactylon) and for Ketu - Kusha grass (Desmostachya bipinnata) should be used. Latin names are taken from Brihat Samhita and Hora Ratnam tarnslations. I hope this helps. Also Balabhadra gives a list of Navaratnas, but I'm not sure about Santhanam's translation to be4 correct here: maanikyam vidrumam muktaphalam vaiduryanilakam vajram gaarutmakam pushparaagam gomedasamjnakam He translates as follows: maanikyam - Ruby, vidrumam - Coral, Muktaphalam - pearl, vaiduryam - cat's eye, neelam - Sapphire, Vajram - diamond, garutmakam - Emerald, pushparaagam - topaz, gomeda - hyacinth or zircon. Swee, maybe you can use this information. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Sunday, February 09, 2003 3:27 PM Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Dear Swee, Since we're on the subject of herbs, I might as well get a lil' clarification. I've heard that the herbs of the various planets are as under: Sun: MilkWeed (Arka-bhasma) Moon: Butia Frandosa (Palasa-bhasma) Mars: Couch Plant (Khadira-bhasma) Mercury: Achyranthes (Apamarga-bhasma) Jupiter: Ficus Religiosa (Pippala-bhasma) Venus: Ficus Glomerata (Audumbara-bhasma) Saturn: Prosopis (Shami-bhasma) Rahu: Cynodon Dactylon (Durva-bhasma) Ketu: Sacrificial Grass (Kusa-bhasma) Is there any authenticity to the list or...? Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Swee Chan vedic astrology Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:44 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Re: for swee - plants Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, If possible, you could give me the publisher if you cannot find the link. BTW, Botany is also for my own interest as I collect medicinal plants from all over the world. The next one in line for May, which has already been traced, will come from Java. (the rudraksha tree. The locals use its bark for dysentery etc). Best regards, 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2003 Report Share Posted February 10, 2003 Dear Jyotisha, Here is the extract of my new book (in the course of writing) on Various basis which is written in English.(on the theme of Graha and People interaction) "THE NATURE OF GRAHAS Grahas are according to astronomy celestial bodies which may or maynot influence the life on this bhur loka. Their apperant influence is obvious. Sun movement causes the seasons, and may increase heat and climate changes. Moon rays cause tide and rise a level of water on the whole globe and human body. Yet in jyotisha we do not believe in direct influence of grahas or planets over human life. Why is so? Grahas predominate in Paramatma while Jeeva dominate in Jeeva atma. Yet we are all made from 4 tatwas and permeated by 5th akash tatwa which is the level of Ritam Bhara Pragya or the finest relative, just on the border of transcendental consciousness of Atman. This akash tatwa predominates in Graha, and through its influence graha do influence our lives. However, this interaction is not ordinary. Actually, we are constituted from the same tatwas and are in continual interaction. Grahas do influence us on the level of tatwas, yet we do influence them as well. This is the true meaning of sutra: Yat Pinde Tat Brahmasmi- As is the microcosmos, so is the macrocosmos. So we should better say that Jyotish operates with nine forces called Nava grahas that indicate the level of evolution of human race. Thus it is not Planet Saturn that makes our lives difficult. It is the Deva of Brahma who presides over the energy symbolically portrayed by the planet Saturn and who is entitled devata to distribute the laws of karma performed in the previous lives. So Jyotish indicates interaction of Jeevas and Devatas, while our true Self (Atma) remains unpolluted and uninfluenced, being transcendental in nature. The whole purpose of Jyotish lays in Atma Ghati, and unvaling the play of maya and attaing and cognizing our true nature-Atma (surya). For that reason Lord Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita, that Devas (in Jyotisha Grahas) are the true doers of action and its fruits, and that we humans are not entitled to enjoy these fruits. In case we enjoy these fruits, without paying reverence to Devas (Yagyas) we become mere thieves. It is therefore important to understand the true nature of grahas and our interaction with them." Gauranga Das wrote: > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Chandrasekhar, > > Namaste. > > Your doubting that other Lokas or planes of life exist in the universe > is almost equal to the viewpoint of Christian Indologists, who plainly > stated that the whole thing is a myth. Undoubtedly, all the tirthas > (holy places in the universe are manifest in Bharat-varsha, especially > in the Dhamas Vrindavana and Navadvipa. But the confudsion may come > from the following: At the times of Krishna, all the demigods used to > visit Him in Dwaraka, including Brahma, Indra etc. And then they > returned to their abodes. I would like to refer you to the Srimad > Bhagavatam and my article in Jyotish Digest about Tima and Space in > Vedas and Puranas. Even the movement of the Kalacakra is different on > these different lokas, so obviously the are situated in different > places in space. The statement of the shastra should be taken > directly, not interpreted accordin to our faith or lack of it. If > Indra lives in Amaravati, where is he now? Why can't we pay a visit to > him? Those who have lack of faith in the Vedic tradition, try to > search for logical and empiric proofs, which may or may not be there. > However the lack of proof does not justify distorting the revelation > of the shastra to adjust to the reality perceived by us. Kalisah is > undoubrtedly there, but at the same time the origina Kailashi is > outside this universe, an the junction of Pradhaan and Brahmajyoti. > Also Rakshasas may visit the Earth especially in Kali yuga, but this > would not nullify the description of Atala, Sutala, Vitala, etc. > subterranean planets. Please see the description of the demon Bala or > Maharaj Bali. This is not on this Earth. > > Ganga is also originated in Gangotri, but if you study the story of > the Ganga coming to the earthly plane and Lord Shiva being the only > person able to support it, then it is obvious that it is originating > outside the universe, from the hole created by the toe of Urukrama or > Vaamanadeva. So by bathing in Ganga, Jupiter may be propitiated very > nicely. Also accoridng to the description of the Bhagavatam, the river > Ganga fflows through all the planetary systems, forming the current > that we call as the Milky way. > > The description of the universe in the Bhagavatam is based on the > divine vision of the Maharishis. The earthlings are not able to see > thing in that way, so for us a more perceptible picture is given in > the Surya Siddhanta. However the contraictions between the two, for > ecxample about the size of the universe should never be resloved > agains the conclusion of Srimad Bhagavatam which is grantha-raaja, > i.e. the king of all scriptures. I hope this helps. > > Have a good read. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > gauranga <gauranga > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET <http://www.BRIHASPATI.NET> > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > > - > ** Chandrashekhar <boxdel > *To:* vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> > *Sent:* Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:33 AM > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > Dear Gauranga Das, > I am certain that you are well versed in scriptures.Therefore I > need not tell you that Indra's capital was known as Amaravati. > Amaravati is located in Vidarbha near Kaundinyapur which was the > Capital of Vidarbharaaj. Parijaat mentioned is therefore > definitely the one that exists here.Even its growing flowering and > flower shedding habits are identical. > I do not to the theory that what is stated in Puranas > exists in some Loka other than the Prithviloka, and is mere myth. > Otherwise there would not have been rakshasas in Dandakaranyaa, as > their abode is supposed to be Paataala. If we accept the theory > that the various lokas mentioned were ethereal then Kailash, > Ganga, Badrinath and Rameshwaram etc. would not exist in India. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > > - > ** Gauranga Das <gauranga > *To:* vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> > *Sent:* Saturday, February 08, 2003 6:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Candrasekhar, > > Namaste. > > As far as I remember from Bhagavatam, the Parijata was brought > from Indraloka to Rukmini by Krishna. Now if it's a heavenly > plant, do we expect it to grow indigenously after the > departure of Bhagavan? I would be cautious of that unless I > see a reference saying that it was able to reproduce itself on > the Earth and thus became indigenous. As far as I remember, it > was regarded by the residents of Dwaraka as a very special > gift, not a commonly growing plant. This is also true for the > Soma plant, which is indigenous in Svargaloka, but some > interpretators tend to identify it with some earthly plant > with intoxicating juice, which I cannot accept blindly. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > gauranga <gauranga > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET <http://www.BRIHASPATI.NET> > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > > > - > ** Chandrashekhar <boxdel > *To:* vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> > *Sent:* Friday, February 07, 2003 8:03 PM > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > Dear Swee, > I suppose you are asking about Parijata. This is a small > tree which ,when flowering flush arrives is covered with > fragrant white flowers with vermillion stalk.The flowers > drop early in the morning and the ground below is covered > as if by a carpet of flowers. The plant is mentioned in > Mahabharata. If you remember that Rukmini the Consort of > Lord Krishna was daughter of King of Vidarbha(This is the > part of India where I live)you will understand how the > plant reached Dwarka. > This tree is indegeneous to India and used to be found in > almost all the houses (including ours) in my city of > Nagpur in central India when I was a kid. > I shall try to send an image if I could locate a > picture on the net. > Chandrashekhar. > > - > > ** Swee Chan <swee > *To:* vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> > *Sent:* Friday, February 07, 2003 6:06 PM > *Subject:* RE: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Gili, > > > > Lovely of you to do so, and I appreciate this. > However, I also need to know where these plants are > indigenous, then collate information of deposits > around the world. (Birds next J) > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Swee > > swee <swee > > > > http://www.brihaspati.net/ > > > > > ** Gili Alvey [gilimary] > *Sent:* Friday, February 07, 2003 12:29 AM > *To:* vedic astrology > *Subject:* [vedic astrology] for swee - plants > > > > Parijata is Nyctanthes arbor-tristis (Linn.) > (refPlant Myths and Traditions in India by Shakti M. > Gupta) > forgive me for interfering > Love, > Gili > > _______________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with > MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > Terms of Service <>. > > > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted February 10, 2003 Report Share Posted February 10, 2003 font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Dear Ramapriya, font-family:Verdana"> Hi Swee, Does this help? mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Arka sounds like the Helianthus (Helios in Greek for the Sun.) If so, then it is the sunflower. Yes? font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Best regards, 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Swee color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> yes"> mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2003 Report Share Posted February 10, 2003 Dear Gauranga, I understand your point.I am neither a christian nor an indologist. I happen to be a Hindu Brahmin who takes pride in the Knowledge possessed by our ancestors and feel sorry that most of it is not understood in its proper perspective. As far as I know, Vedas,Upanishads, Puranas etc. have different historical dates.Again there are many meanings to a single word of the Sanskrit language. It is upto an individual to interprete it. Allegories, to my understanding, were resorted to by the sages to convey a meaning to lesser mortals.This is why Vedas and Puranas differ in the way meaning of Dharma is conveyed. Even Lord Krishna says, in Bhagvad Gita,"that those who are ignorant worship lesser gods and I fulfill their desires through those gods". At the same time he gives Vishwarupa darshan and indicates that all gods are within himself. Atman occupies the body and again leaves the body to go to lokas according to his Karma. What is exactly the meaning of the lokas meant by the Lord, is difficult to interprete.As you must know even the Chakras mentioned in Kundalini Jagruti cannot be seen physically, though one who practices yoga knows what happens in the regions indicated by various chakras , when Kundalini awakens. Now with the arguments presented by you, one should be able to see the chakras if a body is desected and you should also be able to see the Ida and Pingala nadis. This does not happen. Further if we take literal meaning of what is stated about various Lokas then the anamoly arises in that if the resident of the lokas are able to roam about in physical form, then the Lord's statement about the Atman changing the Body after death as if changing of old clothes would be contradicted. Therefore I personally do not think that merely because a person attributes diferent meaning to the scriptures one should label him as Christian Indologist. Hindu culture respects both Charvaaka and Shankaracharya as both are interpreting Dharma as understood by them. You will even find commentaries on Bhagvadgita where a commentator has put words not in the original Sanskrit text as he feels they should have been there. Or because he wants to propogate his way of worship of a particular diety. This does not mean he intends disrespect to Bhagvadgita it merely suggests there are different interpretations given by different persons according to their perceptions of the same ultimate truth. Carrying your argument forward one should not even discuss and recite Bhagvadgita as Lord has told Arjuna that this is a secret knowledge which should not be revealed to those incapable of understanding it and to non believers. I do not think the Lord meant above literally but wanted to emphasis that this should be understood in its proper perspective as what he says can be interpreted in different ways by those who might not understand the sprituality which is its basis. About Ganges, your theory would indicate that there was no King Bhagiratha who brought Ganges to Prithviloka thus giving a lie to scriptures , which you yourself say is done by Christian Indologists. Again about Indra's presence in Amaravati, you would perhaps remember that the Lord had to give a special Drishti to Arjuna for him to be able to see the Vishwarup and the Caturbhuja Roop of the Lord. At least I have not been given such Divya Drishti and cannot say whether Indra is in Amaravati or not. I hope you take this in the right spirit and I do not mean to offend you or any one else. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Gauranga Das vedic astrology Monday, February 10, 2003 4:10 PM Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Chandrasekhar, Namaste. Your doubting that other Lokas or planes of life exist in the universe is almost equal to the viewpoint of Christian Indologists, who plainly stated that the whole thing is a myth. Undoubtedly, all the tirthas (holy places in the universe are manifest in Bharat-varsha, especially in the Dhamas Vrindavana and Navadvipa. But the confudsion may come from the following: At the times of Krishna, all the demigods used to visit Him in Dwaraka, including Brahma, Indra etc. And then they returned to their abodes. I would like to refer you to the Srimad Bhagavatam and my article in Jyotish Digest about Tima and Space in Vedas and Puranas. Even the movement of the Kalacakra is different on these different lokas, so obviously the are situated in different places in space. The statement of the shastra should be taken directly, not interpreted accordin to our faith or lack of it. If Indra lives in Amaravati, where is he now? Why can't we pay a visit to him? Those who have lack of faith in the Vedic tradition, try to search for logical and empiric proofs, which may or may not be there. However the lack of proof does not justify distorting the revelation of the shastra to adjust to the reality perceived by us. Kalisah is undoubrtedly there, but at the same time the origina Kailashi is outside this universe, an the junction of Pradhaan and Brahmajyoti. Also Rakshasas may visit the Earth especially in Kali yuga, but this would not nullify the description of Atala, Sutala, Vitala, etc. subterranean planets. Please see the description of the demon Bala or Maharaj Bali. This is not on this Earth. Ganga is also originated in Gangotri, but if you study the story of the Ganga coming to the earthly plane and Lord Shiva being the only person able to support it, then it is obvious that it is originating outside the universe, from the hole created by the toe of Urukrama or Vaamanadeva. So by bathing in Ganga, Jupiter may be propitiated very nicely. Also accoridng to the description of the Bhagavatam, the river Ganga fflows through all the planetary systems, forming the current that we call as the Milky way. The description of the universe in the Bhagavatam is based on the divine vision of the Maharishis. The earthlings are not able to see thing in that way, so for us a more perceptible picture is given in the Surya Siddhanta. However the contraictions between the two, for ecxample about the size of the universe should never be resloved agains the conclusion of Srimad Bhagavatam which is grantha-raaja, i.e. the king of all scriptures. I hope this helps. Have a good read. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:33 AM Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Dear Gauranga Das, I am certain that you are well versed in scriptures.Therefore I need not tell you that Indra's capital was known as Amaravati. Amaravati is located in Vidarbha near Kaundinyapur which was the Capital of Vidarbharaaj. Parijaat mentioned is therefore definitely the one that exists here.Even its growing flowering and flower shedding habits are identical. I do not to the theory that what is stated in Puranas exists in some Loka other than the Prithviloka, and is mere myth. Otherwise there would not have been rakshasas in Dandakaranyaa, as their abode is supposed to be Paataala. If we accept the theory that the various lokas mentioned were ethereal then Kailash, Ganga, Badrinath and Rameshwaram etc. would not exist in India. Regards, Chandrashekhar. - Gauranga Das vedic astrology Saturday, February 08, 2003 6:30 PM Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Candrasekhar, Namaste. As far as I remember from Bhagavatam, the Parijata was brought from Indraloka to Rukmini by Krishna. Now if it's a heavenly plant, do we expect it to grow indigenously after the departure of Bhagavan? I would be cautious of that unless I see a reference saying that it was able to reproduce itself on the Earth and thus became indigenous. As far as I remember, it was regarded by the residents of Dwaraka as a very special gift, not a commonly growing plant. This is also true for the Soma plant, which is indigenous in Svargaloka, but some interpretators tend to identify it with some earthly plant with intoxicating juice, which I cannot accept blindly. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 8:03 PM Re: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Dear Swee, I suppose you are asking about Parijata. This is a small tree which ,when flowering flush arrives is covered with fragrant white flowers with vermillion stalk.The flowers drop early in the morning and the ground below is covered as if by a carpet of flowers. The plant is mentioned in Mahabharata. If you remember that Rukmini the Consort of Lord Krishna was daughter of King of Vidarbha(This is the part of India where I live)you will understand how the plant reached Dwarka. This tree is indegeneous to India and used to be found in almost all the houses (including ours) in my city of Nagpur in central India when I was a kid. I shall try to send an image if I could locate a picture on the net. Chandrashekhar. - Swee Chan vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 6:06 PM RE: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gili, Lovely of you to do so, and I appreciate this. However, I also need to know where these plants are indigenous, then collate information of deposits around the world. (Birds next J) Best wishes, 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" Swee swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> Gili Alvey [gilimary (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:29 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] for swee - plants Parijata is Nyctanthes arbor-tristis (Linn.)(refPlant Myths and Traditions in India by Shakti M. Gupta)forgive me for interfering :)Love,Gili_______________Tired of spam? 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