Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Visti, May I ask further on the same subject, a malefic like shani when retrograde and exalted in Libra should be considered debilitated. But what happens if the shani is also in parivarthan with Venus. A 9/5 parivarthan. Does it by any chance again overcome this debilitation? In navamsa shani and venus are together in Taurus. Thanks, humbly, Rema --- Visti Larsen <vishnu wrote: > Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah > > -- > > Dear Gili and Chandrashekhar, > The results become easier to understand when you > keep in mind the following: > > A Retrograde planet will give results only to take > the results away again before the results have been > fulfilled completely. > > Hence an exalted planet will wanto give the highest > results of placement, however if it is also > retrogade, the results will never manifest fully > like a bee who's hesitant to taste the nectar of a > flower. > > Hence the results become akin to debilitation. If > the planet is a malefic, then a high level of > spirituality/renunciation can be expected, espcially > incase of Shani. > > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > - > Gili Alvey > vedic astrology > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:05 PM > Re: [vedic astrology](for Chandrashekhar) > retrograde planet in exaltation sign > > > Dear Chandreshekhar, > I agree with you ... but it is hard for a novice > to determine what is true > when reading conflicting arguments by respected > authors. > Also my heart feels that Jupiter doesn't bring > anything unpleasant unless it > is good for spiritual development. > (That last sentence confirms Prof. Jaya Shekhar's > comment to me, on looking > at my chart at the BAVA conference, that I will > never be a good vedic > astrologer because I think with my heart ) > Love, > Gili > > > > you can't transcend what you haven't experienced > > > > > > >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel > > > >Dear Gili, > >I stll have not come accross any such reference > in any ancient text. > >Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that Retrograde > planet gives good results > >even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , if my > memory serves me right. > >I cannot understand how a planet looses his > Chesta bal by going to > >exaltation Rasi. > >Chandrashekhar. > > > > _______________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > Terms of Service. > > ===== Rema Menon Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Rema, Swee has a similar situation as she has allready mentioned, only her Shani is not retrogade. Yes it can overcome its debilitation, but thats not necessarily good. What is your lagna? Venus Dasa will give the results of Shani. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Rema Menon vedic astrology Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:00 PM [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Visti,May I ask further on the same subject, a malefic likeshani when retrograde and exalted in Libra should beconsidered debilitated. But what happens if the shani is also in parivarthanwith Venus. A 9/5 parivarthan.Does it by any chance again overcome thisdebilitation?In navamsa shani and venus are together in Taurus.Thanks, humbly, Rema--- Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote:> Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah> >--> > Dear Gili and Chandrashekhar,> The results become easier to understand when you> keep in mind the following:> > A Retrograde planet will give results only to take> the results away again before the results have been> fulfilled completely.> > Hence an exalted planet will wanto give the highest> results of placement, however if it is also> retrogade, the results will never manifest fully> like a bee who's hesitant to taste the nectar of a> flower.> > Hence the results become akin to debilitation. If> the planet is a malefic, then a high level of> spirituality/renunciation can be expected, espcially> incase of Shani.> > Best wishes> Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> ----- Original Message ----- > Gili Alvey > vedic astrology > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:05 PM> Re: [vedic astrology](for Chandrashekhar)> retrograde planet in exaltation sign> > > Dear Chandreshekhar,> I agree with you ... but it is hard for a novice> to determine what is true > when reading conflicting arguments by respected> authors.> Also my heart feels that Jupiter doesn't bring> anything unpleasant unless it > is good for spiritual development.> (That last sentence confirms Prof. Jaya Shekhar's> comment to me, on looking > at my chart at the BAVA conference, that I will> never be a good vedic > astrologer because I think with my heart )> Love,> Gili> > > > you can't transcend what you haven't experienced> > > > > > >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> >> >Dear Gili,> >I stll have not come accross any such reference> in any ancient text. > >Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that Retrograde> planet gives good results > >even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , if my> memory serves me right.> >I cannot understand how a planet looses his> Chesta bal by going to > >exaltation Rasi.> >Chandrashekhar.> > > >_______________> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months> FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail> > > Sponsor > > > > > > Archives:> vedic astrology> > Group info:>vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> vedic astrology-> > .> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri> Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to the > Terms of Service. > > =====Rema Menon Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 || Om Namah Shivaye || Dear Visti, Attached is a chart which has Neech Shani in both Rasi and Navamsa. Shani is Lagna lord and is retro and there is no Neech Bhanga. How should we read this? Thanks and Regards, Shiv vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > Hare Rama Krsna > > -- > > Dear Rema, > Swee has a similar situation as she has allready mentioned, only her Shani is not retrogade. > > Yes it can overcome its debilitation, but thats not necessarily good. What is your lagna? Venus Dasa will give the results of Shani. > > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > - > Rema Menon > vedic astrology > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:00 PM > [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > Namaste Visti, > > May I ask further on the same subject, a malefic like > shani when retrograde and exalted in Libra should be > considered debilitated. > > But what happens if the shani is also in parivarthan > with Venus. A 9/5 parivarthan. > Does it by any chance again overcome this > debilitation? > > In navamsa shani and venus are together in Taurus. > > Thanks, > humbly, > Rema > > --- Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah > > > > > -- > > > > Dear Gili and Chandrashekhar, > > The results become easier to understand when you > > keep in mind the following: > > > > A Retrograde planet will give results only to take > > the results away again before the results have been > > fulfilled completely. > > > > Hence an exalted planet will wanto give the highest > > results of placement, however if it is also > > retrogade, the results will never manifest fully > > like a bee who's hesitant to taste the nectar of a > > flower. > > > > Hence the results become akin to debilitation. If > > the planet is a malefic, then a high level of > > spirituality/renunciation can be expected, espcially > > incase of Shani. > > > > Best wishes > > Visti > > --- > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > - > > Gili Alvey > > vedic astrology > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:05 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology](for Chandrashekhar) > > retrograde planet in exaltation sign > > > > > > Dear Chandreshekhar, > > I agree with you ... but it is hard for a novice > > to determine what is true > > when reading conflicting arguments by respected > > authors. > > Also my heart feels that Jupiter doesn't bring > > anything unpleasant unless it > > is good for spiritual development. > > (That last sentence confirms Prof. Jaya Shekhar's > > comment to me, on looking > > at my chart at the BAVA conference, that I will > > never be a good vedic > > astrologer because I think with my heart ) > > Love, > > Gili > > > > > > > > you can't transcend what you haven't experienced > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> > > > > > >Dear Gili, > > >I stll have not come accross any such reference > > in any ancient text. > > >Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that Retrograde > > planet gives good results > > >even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , if my > > memory serves me right. > > >I cannot understand how a planet looses his > > Chesta bal by going to > > >exaltation Rasi. > > >Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months > > FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > vedic astrology > > > > Group info: > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > vedic astrology- > > > > ........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > ===== > Rema Menon > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus. > > Archives: vedic astrology > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Attachment: (application/octet-stream) baby.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Visti, My lagna is Gemini. I will not have a venus dasa, Right now am in my Jupiter, next is shani. If sani will not get debilitated, how else does the bad effect come? Thanks, Rema --- Visti Larsen <vishnu wrote: > Hare Rama Krsna > > -- > > Dear Rema, > Swee has a similar situation as she has allready > mentioned, only her Shani is not retrogade. > > Yes it can overcome its debilitation, but thats not > necessarily good. What is your lagna? Venus Dasa > will give the results of Shani. > > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > - > Rema Menon > vedic astrology > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:00 PM > [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in > exaltation sign > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > Namaste Visti, > > May I ask further on the same subject, a malefic > like > shani when retrograde and exalted in Libra should > be > considered debilitated. > > But what happens if the shani is also in > parivarthan > with Venus. A 9/5 parivarthan. > Does it by any chance again overcome this > debilitation? > > In navamsa shani and venus are together in Taurus. > > Thanks, > humbly, > Rema > > --- Visti Larsen <vishnu wrote: > > Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah > > > > > > -- > > > > Dear Gili and Chandrashekhar, > > The results become easier to understand when you > > keep in mind the following: > > > > A Retrograde planet will give results only to > take > > the results away again before the results have > been > > fulfilled completely. > > > > Hence an exalted planet will wanto give the > highest > > results of placement, however if it is also > > retrogade, the results will never manifest fully > > like a bee who's hesitant to taste the nectar of > a > > flower. > > > > Hence the results become akin to debilitation. > If > > the planet is a malefic, then a high level of > > spirituality/renunciation can be expected, > espcially > > incase of Shani. > > > > Best wishes > > Visti > > --- > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > iTRANS 99 Font: > http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > - > > Gili Alvey > > vedic astrology > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:05 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology](for > Chandrashekhar) > > retrograde planet in exaltation sign > > > > > > Dear Chandreshekhar, > > I agree with you ... but it is hard for a > novice > > to determine what is true > > when reading conflicting arguments by > respected > > authors. > > Also my heart feels that Jupiter doesn't bring > > anything unpleasant unless it > > is good for spiritual development. > > (That last sentence confirms Prof. Jaya > Shekhar's > > comment to me, on looking > > at my chart at the BAVA conference, that I > will > > never be a good vedic > > astrologer because I think with my heart ) > > Love, > > Gili > > > > > > > > you can't transcend what you haven't > experienced > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel > > > > > >Dear Gili, > > >I stll have not come accross any such > reference > > in any ancient text. > > >Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that > Retrograde > > planet gives good results > > >even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , > if my > > memory serves me right. > > >I cannot understand how a planet looses his > > Chesta bal by going to > > >exaltation Rasi. > > >Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 > months > > FREE*. > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > vedic astrology > > > > Group info: > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > vedic astrology- > > > > ........ May Jupiter's light shine on us > ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > ===== > Rema Menon > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus. > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > === message truncated === ===== Rema Menon Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Rema, Theres a Parivartana Yoga, it means that Shukra is going to play the role of Shani and Shani is going to play the role of Shukra. During Shani Dasa you may expect some income from your father, or paternal relatives.. As for Venus.. if not a maha dasa, then surely an antara. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Rema Menon vedic astrology Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:51 PM Re: [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign Hare Rama Krishna,Namaste Visti, My lagna is Gemini. I will not have a venus dasa, Right now am in myJupiter, next is shani.If sani will not get debilitated, how else does thebad effect come?Thanks, Rema--- Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote:> Hare Rama Krsna> >--> > Dear Rema,> Swee has a similar situation as she has allready> mentioned, only her Shani is not retrogade.> > Yes it can overcome its debilitation, but thats not> necessarily good. What is your lagna? Venus Dasa> will give the results of Shani.> > Best wishes> Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> ----- Original Message ----- > Rema Menon > vedic astrology > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:00 PM> [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in> exaltation sign> > > Hare Rama Krishna, > Namaste Visti,> > May I ask further on the same subject, a malefic> like> shani when retrograde and exalted in Libra should> be> considered debilitated. > > But what happens if the shani is also in> parivarthan> with Venus. A 9/5 parivarthan.> Does it by any chance again overcome this> debilitation?> > In navamsa shani and venus are together in Taurus.> > Thanks, > humbly, > Rema> > --- Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote:> > Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah> > > >> >--> > > > Dear Gili and Chandrashekhar,> > The results become easier to understand when you> > keep in mind the following:> > > > A Retrograde planet will give results only to> take> > the results away again before the results have> been> > fulfilled completely.> > > > Hence an exalted planet will wanto give the> highest> > results of placement, however if it is also> > retrogade, the results will never manifest fully> > like a bee who's hesitant to taste the nectar of> a> > flower.> > > > Hence the results become akin to debilitation.> If> > the planet is a malefic, then a high level of> > spirituality/renunciation can be expected,> espcially> > incase of Shani.> > > > Best wishes> > Visti> > ---> > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > iTRANS 99 Font:> http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> > ----- Original Message ----- > > Gili Alvey > > To: vedic astrology > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:05 PM> > Re: [vedic astrology](for> Chandrashekhar)> > retrograde planet in exaltation sign> > > > > > Dear Chandreshekhar,> > I agree with you ... but it is hard for a> novice> > to determine what is true > > when reading conflicting arguments by> respected> > authors.> > Also my heart feels that Jupiter doesn't bring> > anything unpleasant unless it > > is good for spiritual development.> > (That last sentence confirms Prof. Jaya> Shekhar's> > comment to me, on looking > > at my chart at the BAVA conference, that I> will> > never be a good vedic > > astrologer because I think with my heart )> > Love,> > Gili> > > > > > > > you can't transcend what you haven't> experienced> > > > > > > > > > > > >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > >> > >Dear Gili,> > >I stll have not come accross any such> reference> > in any ancient text. > > >Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that> Retrograde> > planet gives good results > > >even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha ,> if my> > memory serves me right.> > >I cannot understand how a planet looses his> > Chesta bal by going to > > >exaltation Rasi.> > >Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> >_______________> > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2> months> > FREE*. > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail> > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives:> > vedic astrology> > > > Group info:> >> >vedic astrology/info.html> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> > vedic astrology-> > > > ........ May Jupiter's light shine on us> .......> > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri> > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Your use of is subject to the> > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > =====> Rema Menon> > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up> now.> http://mailplus.> > Archives:> vedic astrology> > Group info:>vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> vedic astrology-> > === message truncated ========Rema Menon Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Rajyoga! But the native should watch their health. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Shiv Kulhari vedic astrology Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:37 PM [vedic astrology] Re: retrograde planet in exaltation sign || Om Namah Shivaye ||Dear Visti,Attached is a chart which has Neech Shani in both Rasiand Navamsa. Shani is Lagna lord and is retro andthere is no Neech Bhanga. How should we read this?Thanks and Regards,Shiv--- In vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen"<vishnu@l...> wrote:> Hare Rama Krsna> >--> > Dear Rema,> Swee has a similar situation as she has allreadymentioned, only her Shani is not retrogade.> > Yes it can overcome its debilitation, but thats notnecessarily good. What is your lagna? Venus Dasa willgive the results of Shani.> > Best wishes> Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> ----- Original Message ----- > Rema Menon > vedic astrology > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:00 PM> [vedic astrology] retrograde planet inexaltation sign> > > Hare Rama Krishna, > Namaste Visti,> > May I ask further on the same subject, a maleficlike> shani when retrograde and exalted in Libra shouldbe> considered debilitated. > > But what happens if the shani is also inparivarthan> with Venus. A 9/5 parivarthan.> Does it by any chance again overcome this> debilitation?> > In navamsa shani and venus are together in Taurus.> > Thanks, > humbly, > Rema> > --- Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:> > Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah> > > >> --> > > > Dear Gili and Chandrashekhar,> > The results become easier to understand when you> > keep in mind the following:> > > > A Retrograde planet will give results only totake> > the results away again before the results havebeen> > fulfilled completely.> > > > Hence an exalted planet will wanto give thehighest> > results of placement, however if it is also> > retrogade, the results will never manifest fully> > like a bee who's hesitant to taste the nectar ofa> > flower.> > > > Hence the results become akin to debilitation.If> > the planet is a malefic, then a high level of> > spirituality/renunciation can be expected,espcially> > incase of Shani.> > > > Best wishes> > Visti> > ---> > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > iTRANS 99 Font:http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> > ----- Original Message ----- > > Gili Alvey > > To: vedic astrology > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:05 PM> > Re: [vedic astrology](forChandrashekhar)> > retrograde planet in exaltation sign> > > > > > Dear Chandreshekhar,> > I agree with you ... but it is hard for anovice> > to determine what is true > > when reading conflicting arguments byrespected> > authors.> > Also my heart feels that Jupiter doesn't bring> > anything unpleasant unless it > > is good for spiritual development.> > (That last sentence confirms Prof. JayaShekhar's> > comment to me, on looking > > at my chart at the BAVA conference, that Iwill> > never be a good vedic > > astrologer because I think with my heart )> > Love,> > Gili> > > > > > > > you can't transcend what you haven'texperienced> > > > > > > > > > > > >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel>> > >> > >Dear Gili,> > >I stll have not come accross any suchreference> > in any ancient text. > > >Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika thatRetrograde> > planet gives good results > > >even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha ,if my> > memory serves me right.> > >I cannot understand how a planet looses his> > Chesta bal by going to > > >exaltation Rasi.> > >Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> _______________> > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2months> > FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail> > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives:> > vedic astrology> > > > Group info:> >> vedic astrology/info.html> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> > vedic astrology-> > > > ........ May Jupiter's light shine on us........> > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri> > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Your use of is subject to the> > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > =====> Rema Menon> > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign upnow.> http://mailplus.> > Archives:vedic astrology> > Group info:vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail tovedic astrology-> > ........ May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam SriKrishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service.Do you ? Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Visti, During Shani Dasa you > may expect some income from your father, or paternal > relatives.. > Why would shani acting as Venus bring wealth from paternal side? venus is 12th and 5th lords, wont the children or foreign lands bring wealth, if I am wrong please explain. > As for Venus.. if not a maha dasa, then surely an > antara. So during venus antardasa should give shani's effect ...Is it as an exalted 9th or 8th lord. So what is the down side of this retrograde planet being in exaltion in my case? thanks, humbly, Rema ===== Rema Menon Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Dearest Gurujis and List members, Hare Krsna. Thanking you for the very interesting topic of retrograde with exaltation. It was interesting to hear that exaltation + retrograde in kendra will create raj yoga! Here is a chart that I thought would be very strong,especially for spiritual topics and so on,with several planets in kendras and in exaltation + Saturn in Lagna exalted +retrograde. I thought that this person would have a very progressive and celebrated life but it seems that this person has had a very trying and difficult time,added to my feeling that he may have an anger and emotional "issue,difficulty with authority figures,association that is questionable and general malaise. I was thinking that most probably things would improve now that he is older???(Saturn?) He has just started Jupiter Maha das and Jupiter is exalted in the 10th...so things may improve for him,now,especially this year?....any comments?.... d.o.b April 5,1955...17:55 Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Thank you all in advance. It is an honour to be able to recieve and be on this list!...although somewhat frustrating as a neopyte!...lol y.a.s...repsectfully....mmdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 To Rema Menon Hi: will it be possible for you to post your chart. that way one could get better picture with regards rangarajan At 03:51 PM 2/5/03 -0800, you wrote: >Hare Rama Krishna, >Namaste Visti, > > > > During Shani Dasa you >> may expect some income from your father, or paternal >> relatives.. >> >Why would shani acting as Venus bring wealth from >paternal side? venus is 12th and 5th lords, wont the >children or foreign lands bring wealth, if I am wrong >please explain. > >> As for Venus.. if not a maha dasa, then surely an >> antara. > >So during venus antardasa should give shani's effect >..Is it as an exalted 9th or 8th lord. > >So what is the down side of this retrograde planet >being in exaltion in my case? > >thanks, >humbly, >Rema > > > >===== >Rema Menon > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus. > > > > > > > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > >Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Rema, Sorry, i treated Virgo as lagna instead.. bad habbit. 9th house will dominate as its a moolatrikona sign. The Sambandha between 5th and 9th lords is very prosperous, however the retrograde of Shani will only confer temporary effects to say the least. Sat-Venus Dasa will answer your doubts. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Rema Menon vedic astrology Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:51 AM Re: [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign Hare Rama Krishna,Namaste Visti, During Shani Dasa you> may expect some income from your father, or paternal> relatives.. >Why would shani acting as Venus bring wealth frompaternal side? venus is 12th and 5th lords, wont thechildren or foreign lands bring wealth, if I am wrongplease explain. > As for Venus.. if not a maha dasa, then surely an> antara.So during venus antardasa should give shani's effect...Is it as an exalted 9th or 8th lord.So what is the down side of this retrograde planetbeing in exaltion in my case?thanks, humbly, Rema=====Rema MenonDo you ? Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Mohini, You misundestood. deb+retro in kendra gives rajyoga. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Mohini Cox vedic astrology Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:34 AM Re: [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign Dearest Gurujis and List members, Hare Krsna. Thanking you for the very interesting topic of retrograde with exaltation. It was interesting to hear that exaltation + retrograde in kendra will create raj yoga! Here is a chart that I thought would be very strong,especially for spiritual topics and so on,with several planets in kendras and in exaltation + Saturn in Lagna exalted +retrograde. I thought that this person would have a very progressive and celebrated life but it seems that this person has had a very trying and difficult time,added to my feeling that he may have an anger and emotional "issue,difficulty with authority figures,association that is questionable and general malaise. I was thinking that most probably things would improve now that he is older???(Saturn?) He has just started Jupiter Maha das and Jupiter is exalted in the 10th...so things may improve for him,now,especially this year?....any comments?.... d.o.b April 5,1955...17:55 Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Thank you all in advance. It is an honour to be able to recieve and be on this list!...although somewhat frustrating as a neopyte!...lol y.a.s...repsectfully....mmdd Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Dear Visti, "Courier New";color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Dear Rema, Swee has a similar situation as she has allready mentioned, only her Shani is not retrogade. windowtext"> font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Even if we push the AK Moon to a trine, I become Aries lagna, but BK Sani is still Rx, the last time I looked mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana;mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol; mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings"> Wingdings">J font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Swee color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> -----Original Message----- Visti Larsen [vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk] Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign "Courier New";color:red">Hare Rama Krsna color:black"> color:black">Yes it can overcome its debilitation, but thats not necessarily good. What is your lagna? Venus Dasa will give the results of Shani. Best wishes Visti --- Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org margin-left:38.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt">----- Original Message ----- margin-left:38.5pt;background:#E4E4E4;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-weight:bold"> Rema Menon Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:38.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-weight:bold">vedic astrology color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:38.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:00 PM margin-left:38.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> font-weight:bold">Subject: [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> margin-left:38.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"> margin-left:38.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.0pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt">Hare Rama Krishna, "Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> Namaste Visti, May I ask further on the same subject, a malefic like shani when retrograde and exalted in Libra should be considered debilitated. But what happens if the shani is also in parivarthan with Venus. A 9/5 parivarthan. Does it by any chance again overcome this debilitation? In navamsa shani and venus are together in Taurus. Thanks, humbly, Rema --- Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote: > Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah > > -- > > Dear Gili and Chandrashekhar, > The results become easier to understand when you > keep in mind the following: > > A Retrograde planet will give results only to take > the results away again before the results have been > fulfilled completely. > > Hence an exalted planet will wanto give the highest > results of placement, however if it is also > retrogade, the results will never manifest fully > like a bee who's hesitant to taste the nectar of a > flower. > > Hence the results become akin to debilitation. If > the planet is a malefic, then a high level of > spirituality/renunciation can be expected, espcially > incase of Shani. > > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > - > Gili Alvey > vedic astrology > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:05 PM > Re: [vedic astrology](for Chandrashekhar) > retrograde planet in exaltation sign > > > Dear Chandreshekhar, > I agree with you ... but it is hard for a novice > to determine what is true > when reading conflicting arguments by respected > authors. > Also my heart feels that Jupiter doesn't bring > anything unpleasant unless it > is good for spiritual development. > (That last sentence confirms Prof. Jaya Shekhar's > comment to me, on looking > at my chart at the BAVA conference, that I will > never be a good vedic > astrologer because I think with my heart ) > Love, > Gili > > > > you can't transcend what you haven't experienced > > > > > > >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > > >Dear Gili, > >I stll have not come accross any such reference > in any ancient text. > >Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that Retrograde > planet gives good results > >even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , if my > memory serves me right. > >I cannot understand how a planet looses his > Chesta bal by going to > >exaltation Rasi. > >Chandrashekhar. > > > > _______________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Dear Visti, What if grahas are retro as well as in parivartana? Might want to see the attached chart of a native. Regards, Nisha Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Dear Rema, Theres a Parivartana Yoga, it means that Shukra is going to play the role of Shani and Shani is going to play the role of Shukra. During Shani Dasa you may expect some income from your father, or paternal relatives.. As for Venus.. if not a maha dasa, then surely an antara. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Rema Menon vedic astrology Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:51 PM Re: [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign Hare Rama Krishna,Namaste Visti, My lagna is Gemini. I will not have a venus dasa, Right now am in myJupiter, next is shani.If sani will not get debilitated, how else does thebad effect come?Thanks, Rema--- Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote:> Hare Rama Krsna> >--> > Dear Rema,> Swee has a similar situation as she has allready> mentioned, only her Shani is not retrogade.> > Yes it can overcome its debilitation, but thats not> necessarily good. What is your lagna? Venus Dasa> will give the results of Shani.> > Best wishes> Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> ----- Original Message ----- > Rema Menon > vedic astrology > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:00 PM> [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in> exaltation sign> > > Hare Rama Krishna, > Namaste Visti,> > May I ask further on the same subject, a malefic> like> shani when retrograde and exalted in Libra should> be> considered debilitated. > > But what happens if the shani is also in> parivarthan> with Venus. A 9/5 parivarthan.> Does it by any chance again overcome this> debilitation?> > In navamsa shani and venus are together in Taurus.> > Thanks, > humbly, > Rema> > --- Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote:> > Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah> > > >> >--> > > > Dear Gili and Chandrashekhar,> > The results become easier to understand when you> > keep in mind the following:> > > > A Retrograde planet will give results only to> take> > the results away again before the results have> been> > fulfilled completely.> > > > Hence an exalted planet will wanto give the> highest> > results of placement, however if it is also> > retrogade, the results will never manifest fully> > like a bee who's hesitant to taste the nectar of> a> > flower.> > > > Hence the results become akin to debilitation.> If> > the planet is a malefic, then a high level of> > spirituality/renunciation can be expected,> espcially> > incase of Shani.> > > > Best wishes> > Visti> > ---> > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > iTRANS 99 Font:> http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> > ----- Original Message ----- > > Gili Alvey > > To: vedic astrology > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:05 PM> > Re: [vedic astrology](for> Chandrashekhar)> > retrograde planet in exaltation sign> > > > > > Dear Chandreshekhar,> > I agree with you ... but it is hard for a> novice> > to determine what is true > > when reading conflicting arguments by> respected> > authors.> > Also my heart feels that Jupiter doesn't bring> > anything unpleasant unless it > > is good for spiritual development.> > (That last sentence confirms Prof. Jaya> Shekhar's> > comment to me, on looking > > at my chart at the BAVA conference, that I> will> > never be a good vedic > > astrologer because I think with my heart )> > Love,> > Gili> > > > > > > > you can't transcend what you haven't> experienced> > > > > > > > > > > > >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > >> > >Dear Gili,> > >I stll have not come accross any such> reference> > in any ancient text. > > >Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that> Retrograde> > planet gives good results > > >even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha ,> if my> > memory serves me right.> > >I cannot understand how a planet looses his> > Chesta bal by going to > > >exaltation Rasi.> > >Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> >_______________> > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Nisha, Which attachment? The basic of a Parivartana Yoga, is that the grahas exchange roles. If one was Retro the other one acts as Retro in its Dasa. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Nisha vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 12:15 PM Re: [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign Om Namo Bhagawate Vaasudevaaya Dear Visti, What if grahas are retro as well as in parivartana? Might want to see the attached chart of a native. Regards, Nisha Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Dear Rema, Theres a Parivartana Yoga, it means that Shukra is going to play the role of Shani and Shani is going to play the role of Shukra. During Shani Dasa you may expect some income from your father, or paternal relatives.. As for Venus.. if not a maha dasa, then surely an antara. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Rema Menon vedic astrology Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:51 PM Re: [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> > vedic astrology-> > > > ........ May Jupiter's light shine on us> .......> > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri> > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Your use of is subject to the> > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > =====> Rema Menon> > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up> now.> http://mailplus.> > Archives:> vedic astrology> > Group info:>vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> vedic astrology-> > === message truncated ========Rema Menon Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream name=Untitled.jhd Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Nisha <nishu_indiia > wrote: Om Namo Bhagawate Vaasudevaaya Dear Visti, What if grahas are retro as well as in parivartana? Might want to see the attached chart of a native. Regards, Nisha Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Dear Rema, Theres a Parivartana Yoga, it means that Shukra is going to play the role of Shani and Shani is going to play the role of Shukra. During Shani Dasa you may expect some income from your father, or paternal relatives.. As for Venus.. if not a maha dasa, then surely an antara. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Rema Menon vedic astrology Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:51 PM Re: [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign Hare Rama Krishna,Namaste Visti, My lagna is Gemini. I will not have a venus dasa, Right now am in myJupiter, next is shani.If sani will not get debilitated, how else does thebad effect come?Thanks, Rema--- Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote:> Hare Rama Krsna> >--> > Dear Rema,> Swee has a similar situation as she has allready> mentioned, only her Shani is not retrogade.> > Yes it can overcome its debilitation, but thats not> necessarily good. What is your lagna? Venus Dasa> will give the results of Shani.> > Best wishes> Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> ----- Original Message ----- > Rema Menon > vedic astrology > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:00 PM> [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in> exaltation sign> > > Hare Rama Krishna, > Namaste Visti,> > May I ask further on the same subject, a malefic> like> shani when retrograde and exalted in Libra should> be> considered debilitated. > > But what happens if the shani is also in> parivarthan> with Venus. A 9/5 parivarthan.> Does it by any chance again overcome this> debilitation?> > In navamsa shani and venus are together in Taurus.> > Thanks, > humbly, > Rema> > --- Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote:> > Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah> > > >> >--> > > > Dear Gili and Chandrashekhar,> > The results become easier to understand when you> > keep in mind the following:> > > > A Retrograde planet will give results only to> take> > the results away again before the results have> been> > fulfilled completely.> > > > Hence an exalted planet will wanto give the> highest> > results of placement, however if it is also> > retrogade, the results will never manifest fully> > like a bee who's hesitant to taste the nectar of> a> > flower.> > > > Hence the results become akin to debilitation.> If> > the planet is a malefic, then a high level of> > spirituality/renunciation can be expected,> espcially> > incase of Shani.> > > > Best wishes> > Visti> > ---> > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > iTRANS 99 Font:> http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> > ----- Original Message ----- > > Gili Alvey > > To: vedic astrology > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:05 PM> > Re: [vedic astrology](for> Chandrashekhar)> > retrograde planet in exaltation sign> > > > > > Dear Chandreshekhar,> > I agree with you ... but it is hard for a> novice> > to determine what is true > > when reading conflicting arguments by> respected> > authors.> > Also my heart feels that Jupiter doesn't bring> > anything unpleasant unless it > > is good for spiritual development.> > (That last sentence confirms Prof. Jaya> Shekhar's> > comment to me, on looking > > at my chart at the BAVA conference, that I> will> > never be a good vedic > > astrologer because I think with my heart )> > Love,> > Gili> > > > > > > > you can't transcend what you haven't> experienced> > > > > > > > > > > > >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > >> > >Dear Gili,> > >I stll have not come accross any such> reference> > in any ancient text. > > >Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that> Retrograde> > planet gives good results > > >even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha ,> if my> > memory serves me right.> > >I cannot understand how a planet looses his> > Chesta bal by going to > > >exaltation Rasi.> > >Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> >_______________> > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Dear Ramadasji, I would like to draw your kind attention to the below texts: Jataka Parijat dhya2 Shloka 67 which says that Saturn is Bali when retrograde in all places. and Phaldeepika Chapter 4 shloka 2 which again says about chesta bala that the planet becomes powerful in Paramochha. Again I draw attention to Saravali which states that some think that " Retrogression in Exaltation. If a planet is retrograde, while in exaltation, it produces no effect" surely this cannot mean results as if in debilitation. Again In Horasara commentary it is stated that"Guru is exceedingly strong in Dhanu, Meen, Kark, Vrischik and during the time preceding mid day, in his northerly course, in his own Dreshkan, in his own Amsh and, when he succeeds in battle between Grahas. He has medium strength in the initial part of a Rāśi, is quite strong in the middle and weak at the end. He is considered to be strong in retrograde motion in all Rāśis except in the Rāśi Makar, where he is in fall" Brihatjataka shloka 20 Adhya 2 also gives similar results for planets other than Sun and Moon(As they get stong by Ayana and Paksha bala not being retrograde ever) in explaining Chestabala. I therefor do not understand the logic behind what is stated in , as you say, Uttarakalamitra namely retrograde planet in exaltation rasi becomes as if debilitated. Your comments and those of Sanjayji and other Gurus would be appreciated much. Chandrashekhar. - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH Dear Sri Chandrashekhar, If you have UttaraKalamrita of Kalidasa translated by Sri S.S.Sareen (Sagar Publications ),please see the page No.14 and 15 ,vide shloka No.6.It tells about planet who is Uccha but retrograde is considered as neecha and does not have any strength. I hope this helps, With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Gili, I stll have not come accross any such reference in any ancient text. Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that Retrograde planet gives good results even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , if my memory serves me right. I cannot understand how a planet looses his Chesta bal by going to exaltation Rasi. Chandrashekhar. - Gili Alvey vedic astrology Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:10 AM [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign Dear Chandrashekhar and All,My teacher also teaches that a retrograde planet in its sign of exaltation is debilitated (I have Jupiter retrograde in Cancer (6th) ).... but then what happens if there is also neechabanga?.... also is it good or bad to have a debilitated (functional) malefic??Any comments would be very welcome.Love,Giliyou can't transcend what you haven't experienced_______________Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemailArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 As I posted here before, the idea that retrograde planet in exaltation behaves as debilitated and vice versa doesnt fully prove in the chart of a person that I saw. Visti tried to explain it, but I am still not fully convinced. If I take A.M.R Rajagopalan's view that retrograde motion doesnt very much affect Jupiter, that explains the chart of the native I saw (she had retrograde and debilitated Jupiter and it performed only as debilitated). I think only a case study with a good number of charts with retrograde but exalted/debilitated Jupiter can settle this. All theories, no matter who says it or in what book it is given, needs to be verified in practise. -Siva. vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Ramadasji, > I would like to draw your kind attention to the below texts: > Jataka Parijat dhya2 Shloka 67 which says that Saturn is Bali when retrograde in all places. > and Phaldeepika Chapter 4 shloka 2 which again says about chesta bala that the planet becomes powerful in Paramochha. > Again I draw attention to Saravali which states that some think that " Retrogression in Exaltation. If a planet is retrograde, while in exaltation, it produces no effect" surely this cannot mean results as if in debilitation. > Again In Horasara commentary it is stated that"Guru is exceedingly strong in Dhanu, Meen, Kark, Vrischik and during the time preceding mid day, in his northerly course, in his own Dreshkan, in his own Amsh and, when he succeeds in battle between Grahas. He has medium strength in the initial part of a Rasi, is quite strong in the middle and weak at the end. He is considered to be strong in retrograde motion in all Rasis except in the Rasi Makar, where he is in fall" > Brihatjataka shloka 20 Adhya 2 also gives similar results for planets other than Sun and Moon(As they get stong by Ayana and Paksha bala not being retrograde ever) in explaining Chestabala. > I therefor do not understand the logic behind what is stated in , as you say, Uttarakalamitra namely retrograde planet in exaltation rasi becomes as if debilitated. > > Your comments and those of Sanjayji and other Gurus would be appreciated much. > Chandrashekhar. > - > Ramadas Rao > vedic astrology > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:10 AM > Re: [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign > > > OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH > > Dear Sri Chandrashekhar, > > If you have UttaraKalamrita of Kalidasa translated by Sri S.S.Sareen (Sagar Publications ),please see the page No.14 and 15 ,vide shloka No.6.It tells about planet who is Uccha but retrograde is considered as neecha and does not have any strength. > > I hope this helps, > > With best regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Gili, > I stll have not come accross any such reference in any ancient text. Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that Retrograde planet gives good results even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , if my memory serves me right. > I cannot understand how a planet looses his Chesta bal by going to exaltation Rasi. > Chandrashekhar. > - > Gili Alvey > vedic astrology > Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:10 AM > [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and All, > My teacher also teaches that a retrograde planet in its sign of exaltation > is debilitated (I have Jupiter retrograde in Cancer (6th) ) > .... but then what happens if there is also neechabanga? > .... also is it good or bad to have a debilitated (functional) malefic?? > Any comments would be very welcome. > Love, > Gili > > you can't transcend what you haven't experienced > > > > _______________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Siva, Are you talking about the case with Debilitated and Retro Jup in Dusthana? If so the principle i gave is from Sanjay Rath, these aren't my own explanations. Possibly you should try to understand the logic first.. retrograde planets act like the nodes, and the nodes have a long story to tell about our past karma. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - ">schinnas <schinnas > vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 9:46 PM [vedic astrology] Re: retrograde planet in exaltation sign As I posted here before, the idea that retrograde planet in exaltation behaves as debilitated and vice versa doesnt fully prove in the chart of a person that I saw. Visti tried to explain it, but I am still not fully convinced. If I take A.M.R Rajagopalan's view that retrograde motion doesnt very much affect Jupiter, that explains the chart of the native I saw (she had retrograde and debilitated Jupiter and it performed only as debilitated). I think only a case study with a good number of charts with retrograde but exalted/debilitated Jupiter can settle this. All theories, no matter who says it or in what book it is given, needs to be verified in practise.-Siva.--- In vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Ramadasji,> I would like to draw your kind attention to the below texts:> Jataka Parijat dhya2 Shloka 67 which says that Saturn is Bali when retrograde in all places.> and Phaldeepika Chapter 4 shloka 2 which again says about chesta bala that the planet becomes powerful in Paramochha.> Again I draw attention to Saravali which states that some think that " Retrogression in Exaltation. If a planet is retrograde, while in exaltation, it produces no effect" surely this cannot mean results as if in debilitation.> Again In Horasara commentary it is stated that"Guru is exceedingly strong in Dhanu, Meen, Kark, Vrischik and during the time preceding mid day, in his northerly course, in his own Dreshkan, in his own Amsh and, when he succeeds in battle between Grahas. He has medium strength in the initial part of a Rasi, is quite strong in the middle and weak at the end. He is considered to be strong in retrograde motion in all Rasis except in the Rasi Makar, where he is in fall"> Brihatjataka shloka 20 Adhya 2 also gives similar results for planets other than Sun and Moon(As they get stong by Ayana and Paksha bala not being retrograde ever) in explaining Chestabala.> I therefor do not understand the logic behind what is stated in , as you say, Uttarakalamitra namely retrograde planet in exaltation rasi becomes as if debilitated.> > Your comments and those of Sanjayji and other Gurus would be appreciated much.> Chandrashekhar.> ----- Original Message ----- > Ramadas Rao > To: vedic astrology > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:10 AM> Re: [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign> > > OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH > > Dear Sri Chandrashekhar, > > If you have UttaraKalamrita of Kalidasa translated by Sri S.S.Sareen (Sagar Publications ),please see the page No.14 and 15 ,vide shloka No.6.It tells about planet who is Uccha but retrograde is considered as neecha and does not have any strength. > > I hope this helps, > > With best regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Gili,> I stll have not come accross any such reference in any ancient text. Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that Retrograde planet gives good results even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , if my memory serves me right.> I cannot understand how a planet looses his Chesta bal by going to exaltation Rasi.> Chandrashekhar.> - > Gili Alvey > To: vedic astrology > Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:10 AM> [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign> > > Dear Chandrashekhar and All,> My teacher also teaches that a retrograde planet in its sign of exaltation > is debilitated (I have Jupiter retrograde in Cancer (6th) )> .... but then what happens if there is also neechabanga?> .... also is it good or bad to have a debilitated (functional) malefic??> Any comments would be very welcome.> Love,> Gili> > you can't transcend what you haven't experienced> > > > _______________> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Dear Vistiji, Yes! I am talking about the debt & retro Jupiter in 12th chart. The principle you gave is different from Sanjay's. This is what you said: "A benefic retrograde in the Exaltation sign in Dusthana is a blessing from past birth, whilst if its debilitated its a curse.. Why" In the message 9002 in Varahamihira list, Sarajit Poddar quotes an Express Starteller interview of Sanjayji, where he (Sanjay) says this: "If a natural benefic is retrograde & debilitated in a QUADRANT or TRINE indicates a curse from the past life. The opposite occurs in dusthana." So if we take the principle of Sanjayji, it is obvious that for this native, retro and debilitated Jupiter was not a curse, but a blessing (opposite occurs in a dusthana). If the idea that deb & retro jupuiter it akin to Jupiter in exaltation is taken, then it doesnt explain her chart (even though Jupiter is in 12 - i have seen some charts with jupiter in 12, they didnt have to go through what this native went through in her jupiter dasa). For this native, most of the planets except jupiter are well placed, and the problem is only in jupiter dasha and clearly Jupiter was the culprit. Reg understanding the logic/fundamental philosophy, I will do it only after I am convinced that it works. Otherwise, I am afraid I will be learning the wrong theory/fundamentals. That is why I am insisting on case studies before jumping into learning the theory behind retrogression. regards, -Siva. vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > Hare Rama Krsna > > -- ------------ > > Dear Siva, > Are you talking about the case with Debilitated and Retro Jup in Dusthana? If so the principle i gave is from Sanjay Rath, these aren't my own explanations. > > Possibly you should try to understand the logic first.. retrograde planets act like the nodes, and the nodes have a long story to tell about our past karma. > > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > - > schinnas <schinnas> > vedic astrology > Friday, February 07, 2003 9:46 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: retrograde planet in exaltation sign > > > As I posted here before, the idea that retrograde planet in > exaltation behaves as debilitated and vice versa doesnt fully prove > in the chart of a person that I saw. Visti tried to explain it, but I > am still not fully convinced. If I take A.M.R Rajagopalan's view that > retrograde motion doesnt very much affect Jupiter, that explains the > chart of the native I saw (she had retrograde and debilitated Jupiter > and it performed only as debilitated). > > I think only a case study with a good number of charts with > retrograde but exalted/debilitated Jupiter can settle this. All > theories, no matter who says it or in what book it is given, needs to > be verified in practise. > > -Siva. > > vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" > <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Ramadasji, > > I would like to draw your kind attention to the below texts: > > Jataka Parijat dhya2 Shloka 67 which says that Saturn is Bali when > retrograde in all places. > > and Phaldeepika Chapter 4 shloka 2 which again says about chesta > bala that the planet becomes powerful in Paramochha. > > Again I draw attention to Saravali which states that some think > that " Retrogression in Exaltation. If a planet is retrograde, while > in exaltation, it produces no effect" surely this cannot mean results > as if in debilitation. > > Again In Horasara commentary it is stated that"Guru is exceedingly > strong in Dhanu, Meen, Kark, Vrischik and during the time preceding > mid day, in his northerly course, in his own Dreshkan, in his own > Amsh and, when he succeeds in battle between Grahas. He has medium > strength in the initial part of a Rasi, is quite strong in the middle > and weak at the end. He is considered to be strong in retrograde > motion in all Rasis except in the Rasi Makar, where he is in fall" > > Brihatjataka shloka 20 Adhya 2 also gives similar results for > planets other than Sun and Moon(As they get stong by Ayana and Paksha > bala not being retrograde ever) in explaining Chestabala. > > I therefor do not understand the logic behind what is stated in , > as you say, Uttarakalamitra namely retrograde planet in exaltation > rasi becomes as if debilitated. > > > > Your comments and those of Sanjayji and other Gurus would be > appreciated much. > > Chandrashekhar. > > - > > Ramadas Rao > > vedic astrology > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:10 AM > > Re: [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation > sign > > > > > > OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH > > > > Dear Sri Chandrashekhar, > > > > If you have UttaraKalamrita of Kalidasa translated by Sri > S.S.Sareen (Sagar Publications ),please see the page No.14 and > 15 ,vide shloka No.6.It tells about planet who is Uccha but > retrograde is considered as neecha and does not have any strength. > > > > I hope this helps, > > > > With best regards, > > > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > Dear Gili, > > I stll have not come accross any such reference in any ancient > text. Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that Retrograde planet gives > good results even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , if my memory > serves me right. > > I cannot understand how a planet looses his Chesta bal by going > to exaltation Rasi. > > Chandrashekhar. > > - > > Gili Alvey > > vedic astrology > > Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:10 AM > > [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation > sign > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and All, > > My teacher also teaches that a retrograde planet in its sign > of exaltation > > is debilitated (I have Jupiter retrograde in Cancer (6th) ) > > .... but then what happens if there is also neechabanga? > > .... also is it good or bad to have a debilitated > (functional) malefic?? > > Any comments would be very welcome. > > Love, > > Gili > > > > you can't transcend what you haven't experienced > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah Hi Siva, woooops, i guess i got confused after all the talk on exaltation and debilitation words flying around, yet i managed to use the principle proppperly in another post where a malefic was retro and debilitated in a Kendra.. peculiar. I sometimes neglect to give predictions on chart placement, when people post them online, because there are many factors to keep into consideration.. was it bad financially only? If so check the placement from Arudha Lagna. How about life in general? - Check Sun, Lagna and Atmakaraka. Healthwise? - Check 6th, 8th and badhak sthanas.. In other words.. how was it hell? - She's given a blessing and she feels its a curse? Maybe she didn't get what she expected. Send us the chart. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - ">schinnas <schinnas > vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 11:23 PM [vedic astrology] Re: retrograde planet in exaltation sign Dear Vistiji, Yes! I am talking about the debt & retro Jupiter in 12th chart. The principle you gave is different from Sanjay's.This is what you said:"A benefic retrograde in the Exaltation sign in Dusthana is a blessing from past birth, whilst if its debilitated its a curse.. Why"In the message 9002 in Varahamihira list, Sarajit Poddar quotes an Express Starteller interview of Sanjayji, where he (Sanjay) says this:"If a natural benefic is retrograde & debilitated in a QUADRANT or TRINE indicates a curse from the past life. The opposite occurs in dusthana."So if we take the principle of Sanjayji, it is obvious that for this native, retro and debilitated Jupiter was not a curse, but a blessing (opposite occurs in a dusthana). If the idea that deb & retro jupuiter it akin to Jupiter in exaltation is taken, then it doesnt explain her chart (even though Jupiter is in 12 - i have seen some charts with jupiter in 12, they didnt have to go through what this native went through in her jupiter dasa). For this native, most of the planets except jupiter are well placed, and the problem is only in jupiter dasha and clearly Jupiter was the culprit.Reg understanding the logic/fundamental philosophy, I will do it only after I am convinced that it works. Otherwise, I am afraid I will be learning the wrong theory/fundamentals. That is why I am insisting on case studies before jumping into learning the theory behind retrogression. regards,-Siva.--- In vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:> Hare Rama Krsna> > --> > Dear Siva,> Are you talking about the case with Debilitated and Retro Jup in Dusthana? If so the principle i gave is from Sanjay Rath, these aren't my own explanations.> > Possibly you should try to understand the logic first.. retrograde planets act like the nodes, and the nodes have a long story to tell about our past karma.> > Best wishes> Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> ----- Original Message ----- > schinnas <schinnas> > To: vedic astrology > Friday, February 07, 2003 9:46 PM> [vedic astrology] Re: retrograde planet in exaltation sign> > > As I posted here before, the idea that retrograde planet in > exaltation behaves as debilitated and vice versa doesnt fully prove > in the chart of a person that I saw. Visti tried to explain it, but I > am still not fully convinced. If I take A.M.R Rajagopalan's view that > retrograde motion doesnt very much affect Jupiter, that explains the > chart of the native I saw (she had retrograde and debilitated Jupiter > and it performed only as debilitated).> > I think only a case study with a good number of charts with > retrograde but exalted/debilitated Jupiter can settle this. All > theories, no matter who says it or in what book it is given, needs to > be verified in practise.> > -Siva.> > vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" > <boxdel> wrote:> > Dear Ramadasji,> > I would like to draw your kind attention to the below texts:> > Jataka Parijat dhya2 Shloka 67 which says that Saturn is Bali when > retrograde in all places.> > and Phaldeepika Chapter 4 shloka 2 which again says about chesta > bala that the planet becomes powerful in Paramochha.> > Again I draw attention to Saravali which states that some think > that " Retrogression in Exaltation. If a planet is retrograde, while > in exaltation, it produces no effect" surely this cannot mean results > as if in debilitation.> > Again In Horasara commentary it is stated that"Guru is exceedingly > strong in Dhanu, Meen, Kark, Vrischik and during the time preceding > mid day, in his northerly course, in his own Dreshkan, in his own > Amsh and, when he succeeds in battle between Grahas. He has medium > strength in the initial part of a Rasi, is quite strong in the middle > and weak at the end. He is considered to be strong in retrograde > motion in all Rasis except in the Rasi Makar, where he is in fall"> > Brihatjataka shloka 20 Adhya 2 also gives similar results for > planets other than Sun and Moon(As they get stong by Ayana and Paksha > bala not being retrograde ever) in explaining Chestabala.> > I therefor do not understand the logic behind what is stated in , > as you say, Uttarakalamitra namely retrograde planet in exaltation > rasi becomes as if debilitated.> > > > Your comments and those of Sanjayji and other Gurus would be > appreciated much.> > Chandrashekhar.> > ----- Original Message ----- > > Ramadas Rao > > vedic astrology > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:10 AM> > Re: [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation > sign> > > > > > OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH > > > > Dear Sri Chandrashekhar, > > > > If you have UttaraKalamrita of Kalidasa translated by Sri > S.S.Sareen (Sagar Publications ),please see the page No.14 and > 15 ,vide shloka No.6.It tells about planet who is Uccha but > retrograde is considered as neecha and does not have any strength. > > > > I hope this helps, > > > > With best regards, > > > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > Dear Gili,> > I stll have not come accross any such reference in any ancient > text. Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that Retrograde planet gives > good results even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , if my memory > serves me right.> > I cannot understand how a planet looses his Chesta bal by going > to exaltation Rasi.> > Chandrashekhar.> > - > > Gili Alvey > > vedic astrology > > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:10 AM> > [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation > sign> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and All,> > My teacher also teaches that a retrograde planet in its sign > of exaltation > > is debilitated (I have Jupiter retrograde in Cancer (6th) )> > .... but then what happens if there is also neechabanga?> > .... also is it good or bad to have a debilitated > (functional) malefic??> > Any comments would be very welcome.> > Love,> > Gili> > > > you can't transcend what you haven't experienced> > > > > > > > > _______________> > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Thought this might help... Here's a chart of someone I know very well with Jupiter exalted and retrograde in the 6th house. Nov 20,1942 Time: 1:38PM Zone: 5:30 DST: 0 Longitude: 80E43 Latitude: 7N18 Best regards, Harsha vedic astrology, Nisha <nishu_indiia> wrote: > > > Nisha <nishu_indiia> wrote: > Om Namo Bhagawate Vaasudevaaya > Dear Visti, > What if grahas are retro as well as in parivartana? Might want to see the attached chart of a native. > Regards, > Nisha > Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote: Hare Rama Krsna > > Dear Rema,Theres a Parivartana Yoga, it means that Shukra is going to play the role of Shani and Shani is going to play the role of Shukra. During Shani Dasa you may expect some income from your father, or paternal relatives.. As for Venus.. if not a maha dasa, then surely an antara. Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org----- Original Message ----- Rema Menon vedic astrology Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:51 PMRe: [vedic- astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign > Hare Rama Krishna, > Namaste Visti, > > My lagna is Gemini. > I will not have a venus dasa, Right now am in my > Jupiter, next is shani. > If sani will not get debilitated, how else does the > bad effect come? > > Thanks, > Rema > > > --- Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > - ------------- > > > > Dear Rema, > > Swee has a similar situation as she has allready > > mentioned, only her Shani is not retrogade. > > > > Yes it can overcome its debilitation, but thats not > > necessarily good. What is your lagna? Venus Dasa > > will give the results of Shani. > > > > Best wishes > > Visti > > --- > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > - > > Rema Menon > > vedic astrology > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:00 PM > > [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in > > exaltation sign > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > Namaste Visti, > > > > May I ask further on the same subject, a malefic > > like > > shani when retrograde and exalted in Libra should > > be > > considered debilitated. > > > > But what happens if the shani is also in > > parivarthan > > with Venus. A 9/5 parivarthan. > > Does it by any chance again overcome this > > debilitation? > > > > In navamsa shani and venus are together in Taurus. > > > > Thanks, > > humbly, > > Rema > > > > --- Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > > Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah > > > > > > > > > > > - ------------- > > > > > > Dear Gili and Chandrashekhar, > > > The results become easier to understand when you > > > keep in mind the following: > > > > > > A Retrograde planet will give results only to > > take > > > the results away again before the results have > > been > > > fulfilled completely. > > > > > > Hence an exalted planet will wanto give the > > highest > > > results of placement, however if it is also > > > retrogade, the results will never manifest fully > > > like a bee who's hesitant to taste the nectar of > > a > > > flower. > > > > > > Hence the results become akin to debilitation. > > If > > > the planet is a malefic, then a high level of > > > spirituality/renunciation can be expected, > > espcially > > > incase of Shani. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > Visti > > > --- > > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > > iTRANS 99 Font: > > http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > > - > > > Gili Alvey > > > vedic astrology > > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:05 PM > > > Re: [vedic astrology](for > > Chandrashekhar) > > > retrograde planet in exaltation sign > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandreshekhar, > > > I agree with you ... but it is hard for a > > novice > > > to determine what is true > > > when reading conflicting arguments by > > respected > > > authors. > > > Also my heart feels that Jupiter doesn't bring > > > anything unpleasant unless it > > > is good for spiritual development. > > > (That last sentence confirms Prof. Jaya > > Shekhar's > > > comment to me, on looking > > > at my chart at the BAVA conference, that I > > will > > > never be a good vedic > > > astrologer because I think with my heart ) > > > Love, > > > Gili > > > > > > > > > > > > you can't transcend what you haven't > > experienced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> > > > > > > > >Dear Gili, > > > >I stll have not come accross any such > > reference > > > in any ancient text. > > > >Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that > > Retrograde > > > planet gives good results > > > >even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , > > if my > > > memory serves me right. > > > >I cannot understand how a planet looses his > > > Chesta bal by going to > > > >exaltation Rasi. > > > >Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Dear Sarajit, Very good analysis. Her enemies are all 2 faced, they never show it to her but they do not like her, they seem to fear her. Yes, they do seem to suffer badly. Regarding children, she is extremely fortunate. This it a bit off the point but I notice she has two Raja Yogas (Su, Ve & Ma, Me). How is it that she has not benefited through these? Best regards, Harsha vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannath > Dear Harsha, > > Thanks for the birth info. Lets analyse the chart on the basis of the ideas given by Pt. Sanjay Rath: > +--------------+ > | |Mo |SaR AL |HL GL | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |As Ke | |JuR | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------| Rasi |-----------| > | | |Ra | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Md |Su Ve |Ma Me | | > | |Gk | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > +--------------+ > > 1. Retrograde planet indicates denial of its fruits for which a lot of additional effort will have to be made. > > The sixth house significations are Enemies, Servants, Accidents, short term diseases, and Service. Now what a native wants from the 6th house is a harmony with the significations. Benefic like Jupiter in the 6th is considered to be very good as it shows that the person will lack any enemies and will have good relations with all. This also means that, if there are enemies, they will suffer badly. Now retrogression shows that the native will strive hard to get the harmony, mentioned above and will have a focus towards pacifying others so that there are no enemies. The enemies if will be quite decieving as they will behave as if there is no enemity (normal Jup in 6th), however, they will not feel the same inside and will try to prey on the native, whenever such situation arises. The servants will look as if very faithful, but will change face, under many circumstances. In the service of others, the native will face lots of misunderstanding. However the native will always strive hard to remove any such misunderstanding. 6th is also the house of maternal uncles. The native will always try to maintain good relations with his maternal uncles (if any). > > 2. It will behave as if it is in the 7th. > > This will make Jupiter debilitated in the 12th house. Benefics in the 12th house is always considered good, even if debilitated. The native will have good fortune in foreign land, although the debilitation show, that occasionally he will face situations which he doesnot like. The native will spend a lot in charity. Bhavartha Ratnakara says that the person becomes fortunate related to those house, whose karaka is placed in the 12th house. Thus the native will be fortunate with regards to his children. > > Now the native will ultimately realise the 6th house indications for which he had been striving for quite long. > > Best Regards > Sarajit > > > > - > <digitalfury> > <vedic astrology> > Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:10 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: retrograde planet in exaltation sign > > > > Thought this might help... Here's a chart of someone I know very > > well with Jupiter exalted and retrograde in the 6th house. > > > > Nov 20,1942 > > Time: 1:38PM Zone: 5:30 DST: 0 > > Longitude: 80E43 Latitude: 7N18 > > > > Best regards, > > Harsha > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Nisha <nishu_indiia> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisha <nishu_indiia> wrote: > > > Om Namo Bhagawate Vaasudevaaya > > > Dear Visti, > > > What if grahas are retro as well as in parivartana? Might want to > > see the attached chart of a native. > > > Regards, > > > Nisha > > > Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote: Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > Dear Rema,Theres a Parivartana Yoga, it means that Shukra is going > > to play the role of Shani and Shani is going to play the role of > > Shukra. During Shani Dasa you may expect some income from your > > father, or paternal relatives.. As for Venus.. if not a maha dasa, > > then surely an antara. Best wishes > > > Visti > > > --- > > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org----- Original > > Message ----- Rema Menon vedic- astrology > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:51 PMRe: [vedic- > > astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > Namaste Visti, > > > > > > My lagna is Gemini. > > > I will not have a venus dasa, Right now am in my > > > Jupiter, next is shani. > > > If sani will not get debilitated, how else does the > > > bad effect come? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Rema > > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ ---- > > ------------- > > > > > > > > Dear Rema, > > > > Swee has a similar situation as she has allready > > > > mentioned, only her Shani is not retrogade. > > > > > > > > Yes it can overcome its debilitation, but thats not > > > > necessarily good. What is your lagna? Venus Dasa > > > > will give the results of Shani. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > Visti > > > > --- > > > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > > > - > > > > Rema Menon > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:00 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in > > > > exaltation sign > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > Namaste Visti, > > > > > > > > May I ask further on the same subject, a malefic > > > > like > > > > shani when retrograde and exalted in Libra should > > > > be > > > > considered debilitated. > > > > > > > > But what happens if the shani is also in > > > > parivarthan > > > > with Venus. A 9/5 parivarthan. > > > > Does it by any chance again overcome this > > > > debilitation? > > > > > > > > In navamsa shani and venus are together in Taurus. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > humbly, > > > > Rema > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > > > > Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ ---- > > ------------- > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gili and Chandrashekhar, > > > > > The results become easier to understand when you > > > > > keep in mind the following: > > > > > > > > > > A Retrograde planet will give results only to > > > > take > > > > > the results away again before the results have > > > > been > > > > > fulfilled completely. > > > > > > > > > > Hence an exalted planet will wanto give the > > > > highest > > > > > results of placement, however if it is also > > > > > retrogade, the results will never manifest fully > > > > > like a bee who's hesitant to taste the nectar of > > > > a > > > > > flower. > > > > > > > > > > Hence the results become akin to debilitation. > > > > If > > > > > the planet is a malefic, then a high level of > > > > > spirituality/renunciation can be expected, > > > > espcially > > > > > incase of Shani. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > Visti > > > > > --- > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > > > > iTRANS 99 Font: > > > > http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > > > > - > > > > > Gili Alvey > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:05 PM > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology](for > > > > Chandrashekhar) > > > > > retrograde planet in exaltation sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandreshekhar, > > > > > I agree with you ... but it is hard for a > > > > novice > > > > > to determine what is true > > > > > when reading conflicting arguments by > > > > respected > > > > > authors. > > > > > Also my heart feels that Jupiter doesn't bring > > > > > anything unpleasant unless it > > > > > is good for spiritual development. > > > > > (That last sentence confirms Prof. Jaya > > > > Shekhar's > > > > > comment to me, on looking > > > > > at my chart at the BAVA conference, that I > > > > will > > > > > never be a good vedic > > > > > astrologer because I think with my heart ) > > > > > Love, > > > > > Gili > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can't transcend what you haven't > > > > experienced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Gili, > > > > > >I stll have not come accross any such > > > > reference > > > > > in any ancient text. > > > > > >Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that > > > > Retrograde > > > > > planet gives good results > > > > > >even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , > > > > if my > > > > > memory serves me right. > > > > > >I cannot understand how a planet looses his > > > > > Chesta bal by going to > > > > > >exaltation Rasi. > > > > > >Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > > > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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Guest guest Posted February 8, 2003 Report Share Posted February 8, 2003 Jaya Jagannath, Dear Siva, Let me put some more light in this area Sage Parashara Says in the Immortal Classic BPHS, in the chapter, Evils at Birth, If a benefic is retrograde in Ari, Randhr, or Vyaya Bhava, receiving a Drishti from a malefic, death will occur within a month of birth. However, if Lagna is occupied by a natural benefic, this evil is mitigated. Even though Maharishi Parashara has given this sloka in the chapter of Evils at Birth, in the actual practice it is seen that this is applicable during the dasa of the retrograde planet under consideration, where the native suffers severely. The aspect of a malefic on the retrograde planet intensifies the evil to multiple extent and the life becomes hellish, if no benefic aspect the retrograde Planet and the Lagna to mitigate it. In my previous post, I have shown, how the results of the debilitation of the planet remains, even though the native enjoys the fruits of exaltation for some period. Now applying the same principle here, we can explain the 2nd principle. This is a well known principle that, Malefics debilitated in a Kendra gives Rajayoga and in exaltation gives Mahapurusha Yoga. So we see that if Malefics are retrograde and debilitated in the Kendra, the will tend to give the results of Mahapurusha yoga, giving the native the divinely qualities of the malefic planets and they will give results of Rajayoga too during the end period because of the debilitation in the Kendra. So the native gains both ways and hence it is considered as Blessing. This is my understanding. Now, let me think on what happens, when the retrograde benefic is debilitated in the dusthana, how, the evil turns into a blessing. Similarly what happens when the malefics are placed in Dusthana retrograde and debilitated. Best Wishes Sarajit - <schinnas > <vedic astrology> Saturday, February 08, 2003 6:23 AM [vedic astrology] Re: retrograde planet in exaltation sign > Dear Vistiji,> Yes! I am talking about the debt & retro Jupiter in 12th chart. > The principle you gave is different from Sanjay's.> > This is what you said:> "A benefic retrograde in the Exaltation sign in Dusthana is a > blessing from past birth, whilst if its debilitated its a curse.. Why"> > In the message 9002 in Varahamihira list, Sarajit Poddar quotes an > Express Starteller interview of Sanjayji, where he (Sanjay) says this:> > "If a natural benefic is retrograde & debilitated in a QUADRANT or > TRINE indicates a curse from the past life. The opposite occurs in > dusthana."> > So if we take the principle of Sanjayji, it is obvious that for this > native, retro and debilitated Jupiter was not a curse, but a blessing > (opposite occurs in a dusthana). If the idea that deb & retro > jupuiter it akin to Jupiter in exaltation is taken, then it doesnt > explain her chart (even though Jupiter is in 12 - i have seen some > charts with jupiter in 12, they didnt have to go through what this > native went through in her jupiter dasa). For this native, most of > the planets except jupiter are well placed, and the problem is only > in jupiter dasha and clearly Jupiter was the culprit.> > Reg understanding the logic/fundamental philosophy, I will do it > only after I am convinced that it works. Otherwise, I am afraid I > will be learning the wrong theory/fundamentals. That is why I am > insisting on case studies before jumping into learning the theory > behind retrogression. > > regards,> -Siva.> > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> > wrote:> > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > --> ------------> > > > Dear Siva,> > Are you talking about the case with Debilitated and Retro Jup in > Dusthana? If so the principle i gave is from Sanjay Rath, these > aren't my own explanations.> > > > Possibly you should try to understand the logic first.. retrograde > planets act like the nodes, and the nodes have a long story to tell > about our past karma.> > > > Best wishes> > Visti> > ---> > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> > - > > schinnas <schinnas> > > vedic astrology > > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:46 PM> > [vedic astrology] Re: retrograde planet in exaltation > sign> > > > > > As I posted here before, the idea that retrograde planet in > > exaltation behaves as debilitated and vice versa doesnt fully > prove > > in the chart of a person that I saw. Visti tried to explain it, > but I > > am still not fully convinced. If I take A.M.R Rajagopalan's view > that > > retrograde motion doesnt very much affect Jupiter, that explains > the > > chart of the native I saw (she had retrograde and debilitated > Jupiter > > and it performed only as debilitated).> > > > I think only a case study with a good number of charts with > > retrograde but exalted/debilitated Jupiter can settle this. All > > theories, no matter who says it or in what book it is given, > needs to > > be verified in practise.> > > > -Siva.> > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" > > <boxdel> wrote:> > > Dear Ramadasji,> > > I would like to draw your kind attention to the below texts:> > > Jataka Parijat dhya2 Shloka 67 which says that Saturn is Bali > when > > retrograde in all places.> > > and Phaldeepika Chapter 4 shloka 2 which again says about > chesta > > bala that the planet becomes powerful in Paramochha.> > > Again I draw attention to Saravali which states that some think > > that " Retrogression in Exaltation. If a planet is retrograde, > while > > in exaltation, it produces no effect" surely this cannot mean > results > > as if in debilitation.> > > Again In Horasara commentary it is stated that"Guru is > exceedingly > > strong in Dhanu, Meen, Kark, Vrischik and during the time > preceding > > mid day, in his northerly course, in his own Dreshkan, in his own > > Amsh and, when he succeeds in battle between Grahas. He has > medium > > strength in the initial part of a Rasi, is quite strong in the > middle > > and weak at the end. He is considered to be strong in retrograde > > motion in all Rasis except in the Rasi Makar, where he is in fall"> > > Brihatjataka shloka 20 Adhya 2 also gives similar results for > > planets other than Sun and Moon(As they get stong by Ayana and > Paksha > > bala not being retrograde ever) in explaining Chestabala.> > > I therefor do not understand the logic behind what is stated > in , > > as you say, Uttarakalamitra namely retrograde planet in > exaltation > > rasi becomes as if debilitated.> > > > > > Your comments and those of Sanjayji and other Gurus would be > > appreciated much.> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Ramadas Rao > > > To: vedic astrology > > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:10 AM> > > Re: [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in > exaltation > > sign> > > > > > > > > OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH > > > > > > Dear Sri Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > If you have UttaraKalamrita of Kalidasa translated by Sri > > S.S.Sareen (Sagar Publications ),please see the page No.14 and > > 15 ,vide shloka No.6.It tells about planet who is Uccha but > > retrograde is considered as neecha and does not have any > strength. > > > > > > I hope this helps, > > > > > > With best regards, > > > > > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gili,> > > I stll have not come accross any such reference in any > ancient > > text. Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that Retrograde planet > gives > > good results even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , if my > memory > > serves me right.> > > I cannot understand how a planet looses his Chesta bal by > going > > to exaltation Rasi.> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Gili Alvey > > > To: vedic astrology > > > Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:10 AM> > > [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in > exaltation > > sign> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and All,> > > My teacher also teaches that a retrograde planet in its > sign > > of exaltation > > > is debilitated (I have Jupiter retrograde in Cancer > (6th) )> > > .... but then what happens if there is also neechabanga?> > > .... also is it good or bad to have a debilitated > > (functional) malefic??> > > Any comments would be very welcome.> > > Love,> > > Gili> > > > > > you can't transcend what you haven't experienced> > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________> > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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Guest guest Posted February 8, 2003 Report Share Posted February 8, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Harsha, Thanks for the birth info. Lets analyse the chart on the basis of the ideas given by Pt. Sanjay Rath: +--------------+| |Mo |SaR AL |HL GL || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||As Ke | |JuR || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------|| | |Ra || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Md |Su Ve |Ma Me | || |Gk | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ 1. Retrograde planet indicates denial of its fruits for which a lot of additional effort will have to be made. The sixth house significations are Enemies, Servants, Accidents, short term diseases, and Service. Now what a native wants from the 6th house is a harmony with the significations. Benefic like Jupiter in the 6th is considered to be very good as it shows that the person will lack any enemies and will have good relations with all. This also means that, if there are enemies, they will suffer badly. Now retrogression shows that the native will strive hard to get the harmony, mentioned above and will have a focus towards pacifying others so that there are no enemies. The enemies if will be quite decieving as they will behave as if there is no enemity (normal Jup in 6th), however, they will not feel the same inside and will try to prey on the native, whenever such situation arises. The servants will look as if very faithful, but will change face, under many circumstances. In the service of others, the native will face lots of misunderstanding. However the native will always strive hard to remove any such misunderstanding. 6th is also the house of maternal uncles. The native will always try to maintain good relations with his maternal uncles (if any). 2. It will behave as if it is in the 7th. This will make Jupiter debilitated in the 12th house. Benefics in the 12th house is always considered good, even if debilitated. The native will have good fortune in foreign land, although the debilitation show, that occasionally he will face situations which he doesnot like. The native will spend a lot in charity. Bhavartha Ratnakara says that the person becomes fortunate related to those house, whose karaka is placed in the 12th house. Thus the native will be fortunate with regards to his children. Now the native will ultimately realise the 6th house indications for which he had been striving for quite long. Best Regards Sarajit - <digitalfury > <vedic astrology> Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:10 AM [vedic astrology] Re: retrograde planet in exaltation sign > Thought this might help... Here's a chart of someone I know very > well with Jupiter exalted and retrograde in the 6th house.> > Nov 20,1942> Time: 1:38PM Zone: 5:30 DST: 0> Longitude: 80E43 Latitude: 7N18> > Best regards,> Harsha> > > > vedic astrology, Nisha <nishu_indiia> > wrote:> > > > > > Nisha <nishu_indiia> wrote:> > Om Namo Bhagawate Vaasudevaaya > > Dear Visti, > > What if grahas are retro as well as in parivartana? Might want to > see the attached chart of a native. > > Regards, > > Nisha > > Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote: Hare Rama Krsna> > > > Dear Rema,Theres a Parivartana Yoga, it means that Shukra is going > to play the role of Shani and Shani is going to play the role of > Shukra. During Shani Dasa you may expect some income from your > father, or paternal relatives.. As for Venus.. if not a maha dasa, > then surely an antara. Best wishes> > Visti> > ---> > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org----- Original > Message ----- Rema Menon vedic astrology > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:51 PMRe: [vedic-> astrology] retrograde planet in exaltation sign> > Hare Rama Krishna,> > Namaste Visti, > > > > My lagna is Gemini. > > I will not have a venus dasa, Right now am in my> > Jupiter, next is shani.> > If sani will not get debilitated, how else does the> > bad effect come?> > > > Thanks, > > Rema> > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:> > > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > > >> > -> -------------> > > > > > Dear Rema,> > > Swee has a similar situation as she has allready> > > mentioned, only her Shani is not retrogade.> > > > > > Yes it can overcome its debilitation, but thats not> > > necessarily good. What is your lagna? Venus Dasa> > > will give the results of Shani.> > > > > > Best wishes> > > Visti> > > ---> > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> > > - > > > Rema Menon > > > vedic astrology > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:00 PM> > > [vedic astrology] retrograde planet in> > > exaltation sign> > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > Namaste Visti,> > > > > > May I ask further on the same subject, a malefic> > > like> > > shani when retrograde and exalted in Libra should> > > be> > > considered debilitated. > > > > > > But what happens if the shani is also in> > > parivarthan> > > with Venus. A 9/5 parivarthan.> > > Does it by any chance again overcome this> > > debilitation?> > > > > > In navamsa shani and venus are together in Taurus.> > > > > > Thanks, > > > humbly, > > > Rema> > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:> > > > Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > -> -------------> > > > > > > > Dear Gili and Chandrashekhar,> > > > The results become easier to understand when you> > > > keep in mind the following:> > > > > > > > A Retrograde planet will give results only to> > > take> > > > the results away again before the results have> > > been> > > > fulfilled completely.> > > > > > > > Hence an exalted planet will wanto give the> > > highest> > > > results of placement, however if it is also> > > > retrogade, the results will never manifest fully> > > > like a bee who's hesitant to taste the nectar of> > > a> > > > flower.> > > > > > > > Hence the results become akin to debilitation.> > > If> > > > the planet is a malefic, then a high level of> > > > spirituality/renunciation can be expected,> > > espcially> > > > incase of Shani.> > > > > > > > Best wishes> > > > Visti> > > > ---> > > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > > > iTRANS 99 Font:> > > http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> > > > - > > > > Gili Alvey > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:05 PM> > > > Re: [vedic astrology](for> > > Chandrashekhar)> > > > retrograde planet in exaltation sign> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandreshekhar,> > > > I agree with you ... but it is hard for a> > > novice> > > > to determine what is true > > > > when reading conflicting arguments by> > > respected> > > > authors.> > > > Also my heart feels that Jupiter doesn't bring> > > > anything unpleasant unless it > > > > is good for spiritual development.> > > > (That last sentence confirms Prof. Jaya> > > Shekhar's> > > > comment to me, on looking > > > > at my chart at the BAVA conference, that I> > > will> > > > never be a good vedic > > > > astrologer because I think with my heart )> > > > Love,> > > > Gili> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can't transcend what you haven't> > > experienced> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel>> > > > >> > > > >Dear Gili,> > > > >I stll have not come accross any such> > > reference> > > > in any ancient text. > > > > >Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that> > > Retrograde> > > > planet gives good results > > > > >even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha ,> > > if my> > > > memory serves me right.> > > > >I cannot understand how a planet looses his> > > > Chesta bal by going to > > > > >exaltation Rasi.> > > > >Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > _______________> > > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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