(for Chandrashekhar) retrograde planet in exaltation sign

February 5, 2003

Dear Chandreshekhar,

I agree with you ... but it is hard for a novice to determine what is true

when reading conflicting arguments by respected authors.

Also my heart feels that Jupiter doesn't bring anything unpleasant unless it

is good for spiritual development.

(That last sentence confirms Prof. Jaya Shekhar's comment to me, on looking

at my chart at the BAVA conference, that I will never be a good vedic

astrologer because I think with my heart )

Love,

Gili

you can't transcend what you haven't experienced

>"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel

>

>Dear Gili,

>I stll have not come accross any such reference in any ancient text.

>Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that Retrograde planet gives good results

>even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , if my memory serves me right.

>I cannot understand how a planet looses his Chesta bal by going to

>exaltation Rasi.

>Chandrashekhar.

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February 5, 2003

Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah

Dear Gili and Chandrashekhar,

The results become easier to understand when you keep in mind the following:

A Retrograde planet will give results only to take the results away again before

the results have been fulfilled completely.

Hence an exalted planet will wanto give the highest results of placement,

however if it is also retrogade, the results will never manifest fully like a

bee who's hesitant to taste the nectar of a flower.

Hence the results become akin to debilitation. If the planet is a malefic, then

a high level of spirituality/renunciation can be expected, espcially incase of

Shani.

Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana:

http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org

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Gili Alvey

vedic astrology

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:05 PM

Re: [vedic astrology](for Chandrashekhar) retrograde planet in exaltation sign

Dear Chandreshekhar,I agree with you ... but it is hard for a novice to

determine what is true when reading conflicting arguments by respected

authors.Also my heart feels that Jupiter doesn't bring anything unpleasant

unless it is good for spiritual development.(That last sentence confirms Prof.

Jaya Shekhar's comment to me, on looking at my chart at the BAVA conference,

that I will never be a good vedic astrologer because I think with my heart

)Love,Giliyou can't transcend what you haven't experienced>

"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>>>Dear Gili,>I stll have not come accross

any such reference in any ancient text. >Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that

Retrograde planet gives good results >even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha

, if my memory serves me right.>I cannot understand how a planet looses his

Chesta bal by going to >exaltation

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February 5, 2003

Dear Vistiji and other jyotishies,

I have previously asked the question about retrograde planets and

was told by Sanjayji that retrograde planets give the results after

initial hurdles and after making the person work hard for it. I heard

from a very famous astrologer A.M. Rajagopalan that retrograde motion

doesnt not affect results of Jupiter.

Charts with retrograde but exalted/debilitated jupiter are very rare

to find. In the one such chart that I saw, the native has debilitated

but retrograde Jupiter (lord of 2 and 11 in 12th). During Jupiter

dasha, life was hell for her - which doesnt not agree with the theory

that debilitated & retrograde planet behaves as exalted. She ran into

major problems in her marriage and had to seek lot of medical help

and ton loads of remedies before having her child (months after

Jupiter dasha was over). Her finances suffered during the Jupiter

dasha too. Her debilitated and retrograde planet performed only as

debilitated.

I would like to know whether someone has through practical

_experience_ verified these theories, specifially with respect to

retrograde motion for jupiter. Hearing such contradictory opinions on

this issue from astrologers I respect is confusing.

thanks,

-Siva.

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...>

wrote:

> Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah

>

> --

------------

>

> Dear Gili and Chandrashekhar,

> The results become easier to understand when you keep in mind the

following:

>

> A Retrograde planet will give results only to take the results away

again before the results have been fulfilled completely.

>

> Hence an exalted planet will wanto give the highest results of

placement, however if it is also retrogade, the results will never

manifest fully like a bee who's hesitant to taste the nectar of a

flower.

>

> Hence the results become akin to debilitation. If the planet is a

malefic, then a high level of spirituality/renunciation can be

expected, espcially incase of Shani.

>

> Best wishes

> Visti

> ---

> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org

> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org

> -

> Gili Alvey

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:05 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology](for Chandrashekhar) retrograde

planet in exaltation sign

>

> Dear Chandreshekhar,

> I agree with you ... but it is hard for a novice to determine

what is true

> when reading conflicting arguments by respected authors.

> Also my heart feels that Jupiter doesn't bring anything

unpleasant unless it

> is good for spiritual development.

> (That last sentence confirms Prof. Jaya Shekhar's comment to me,

on looking

> at my chart at the BAVA conference, that I will never be a good

vedic

> astrologer because I think with my heart )

> Love,

> Gili

>

> you can't transcend what you haven't experienced

>

> >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel>

> >

> >Dear Gili,

> >I stll have not come accross any such reference in any ancient

text.

> >Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that Retrograde planet gives

good results

> >even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , if my memory serves

me right.

> >I cannot understand how a planet looses his Chesta bal by going

to

> >exaltation Rasi.

> >Chandrashekhar.

>

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February 5, 2003

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Siva,

Placement is important as well, don't forget this.

A benefic retrograde in the Exaltation sign in Dusthana is a blessing from past

birth, whilst if its debilitated its a curse.. Why?

Retrograde planets (who are confering raja yoga) will give fantastic results

whilst the same planet is retrograde in transit.. after that the good results

disapear.

Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana:

http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org

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Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:07 PM

Re: [vedic astrology](for Chandrashekhar) retrograde planet in exaltation sign

Dear Vistiji and other jyotishies, I have previously asked the question about

retrograde planets and was told by Sanjayji that retrograde planets give the

results after initial hurdles and after making the person work hard for it. I

heard from a very famous astrologer A.M. Rajagopalan that retrograde motion

doesnt not affect results of Jupiter.Charts with retrograde but

exalted/debilitated jupiter are very rare to find. In the one such chart that I

saw, the native has debilitated but retrograde Jupiter (lord of 2 and 11 in

12th). During Jupiter dasha, life was hell for her - which doesnt not agree

with the theory that debilitated & retrograde planet behaves as exalted. She

ran into major problems in her marriage and had to seek lot of medical help and

ton loads of remedies before having her child (months after Jupiter dasha was

over). Her finances suffered during the Jupiter dasha too. Her debilitated and

retrograde planet performed only as debilitated.I would like to know whether

someone has through practical _experience_ verified these theories, specifially

with respect to retrograde motion for jupiter. Hearing such contradictory

opinions on this issue from astrologers I respect is confusing.

thanks,-Siva.vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen"

<vishnu@l...> wrote:> Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah> >

-->

> Dear Gili and Chandrashekhar,> The results become easier to understand when

you keep in mind the following:> > A Retrograde planet will give results only

to take the results away again before the results have been fulfilled

completely.> > Hence an exalted planet will wanto give the highest results of

placement, however if it is also retrogade, the results will never manifest

fully like a bee who's hesitant to taste the nectar of a flower.> > Hence the

results become akin to debilitation. If the planet is a malefic, then a high

level of spirituality/renunciation can be expected, espcially incase of Shani.>

> Best wishes> Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org>

Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> iTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> - >

Gili Alvey > vedic astrology > Wednesday,

February 05, 2003 3:05 PM> Re: [vedic astrology](for Chandrashekhar)

retrograde planet in exaltation sign> > > Dear Chandreshekhar,> I agree with

you ... but it is hard for a novice to determine what is true > when reading

conflicting arguments by respected authors.> Also my heart feels that Jupiter

doesn't bring anything unpleasant unless it > is good for spiritual

development.> (That last sentence confirms Prof. Jaya Shekhar's comment to

me, on looking > at my chart at the BAVA conference, that I will never be a

good vedic > astrologer because I think with my heart )> Love,> Gili>

> > > you can't transcend what you haven't experienced> > > > > > >

"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel>> >> >Dear Gili,> >I stll have not come

accross any such reference in any ancient text. > >Mantreshwar says in

Phaldeepika that Retrograde planet gives good results > >even if in Neecha

Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , if my memory serves me right.> >I cannot understand

how a planet looses his Chesta bal by going to > >exaltation Rasi.>

>Chandrashekhar.> > >

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Thanks Visti.

-Siva.

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...>

wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> --

------------

>

> Dear Siva,

> Placement is important as well, don't forget this.

>

> A benefic retrograde in the Exaltation sign in Dusthana is a

blessing from past birth, whilst if its debilitated its a curse.. Why?

>

> Retrograde planets (who are confering raja yoga) will give

fantastic results whilst the same planet is retrograde in transit..

after that the good results disapear.

> Best wishes

> Visti

> ---

> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org

> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org

> -

> schinnas <schinnas>

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:07 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology](for Chandrashekhar) retrograde

planet in exaltation sign

>

> Dear Vistiji and other jyotishies,

>

> I have previously asked the question about retrograde planets

and

> was told by Sanjayji that retrograde planets give the results

after

> initial hurdles and after making the person work hard for it. I

heard

> from a very famous astrologer A.M. Rajagopalan that retrograde

motion

> doesnt not affect results of Jupiter.

>

> Charts with retrograde but exalted/debilitated jupiter are very

rare

> to find. In the one such chart that I saw, the native has

debilitated

> but retrograde Jupiter (lord of 2 and 11 in 12th). During Jupiter

> dasha, life was hell for her - which doesnt not agree with the

theory

> that debilitated & retrograde planet behaves as exalted. She ran

into

> major problems in her marriage and had to seek lot of medical

help

> and ton loads of remedies before having her child (months after

> Jupiter dasha was over). Her finances suffered during the Jupiter

> dasha too. Her debilitated and retrograde planet performed only

as

> debilitated.

>

> I would like to know whether someone has through practical

> _experience_ verified these theories, specifially with respect to

> retrograde motion for jupiter. Hearing such contradictory

opinions on

> this issue from astrologers I respect is confusing.

>

> thanks,

> -Siva.

>

> vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen"

<vishnu@l...>

> wrote:

> > Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah

> >

> > -------------------------------

----

> ------------

> >

> > Dear Gili and Chandrashekhar,

> > The results become easier to understand when you keep in mind

the

> following:

> >

> > A Retrograde planet will give results only to take the results

away

> again before the results have been fulfilled completely.

> >

> > Hence an exalted planet will wanto give the highest results of

> placement, however if it is also retrogade, the results will

never

> manifest fully like a bee who's hesitant to taste the nectar of a

> flower.

> >

> > Hence the results become akin to debilitation. If the planet is

a

> malefic, then a high level of spirituality/renunciation can be

> expected, espcially incase of Shani.

> >

> > Best wishes

> > Visti

> > ---

> > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org

> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org

> > -

> > Gili Alvey

> > vedic astrology

> > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:05 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology](for Chandrashekhar) retrograde

> planet in exaltation sign

> >

> > Dear Chandreshekhar,

> > I agree with you ... but it is hard for a novice to determine

> what is true

> > when reading conflicting arguments by respected authors.

> > Also my heart feels that Jupiter doesn't bring anything

> unpleasant unless it

> > is good for spiritual development.

> > (That last sentence confirms Prof. Jaya Shekhar's comment to

me,

> on looking

> > at my chart at the BAVA conference, that I will never be a

good

> vedic

> > astrologer because I think with my heart )

> > Love,

> > Gili

> >

> > you can't transcend what you haven't experienced

> >

> > >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel>

> > >

> > >Dear Gili,

> > >I stll have not come accross any such reference in any

ancient

> text.

> > >Mantreshwar says in Phaldeepika that Retrograde planet gives

> good results

> > >even if in Neecha Rasi or Neecha Navamsha , if my memory

serves

> me right.

> > >I cannot understand how a planet looses his Chesta bal by

going

> to

> > >exaltation Rasi.

> > >Chandrashekhar.

> >

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Dear Shiva,

I think we have to view results of exalted planet, retrograde planet and those

in debilitation signs on a different plane from the results given by these

planets. This would clarify the situation.Lord of the 2nd and 11th posited in

12th is not likely to give great finances during its dasha whether a planet is

exalted or not. Again Putrakaraka in 12th is not very likely to give progeny

easily.

Exaltation, retrogression and placement of a planet as well as its house

ownership and Navamsha position of the planet and his depositor decide the

strength of a planet only and not the results.Jupiter in exaltation in 5th

house does not give progeny unless other factor operate.So not getting a

particular percieved result doesnot mean that the planet acts as debilitated

planet. At the most it could mean that one has not been able to assess how the

planet will act in a particular position.

At least this what I have learnt so far. I hope other Gurus will throw a light on this.

Chandrashekhar.

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Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:37 PM