Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Frank, Namaste. First of all, reg. the quote you have given, I do not agree to several points. Brahma can be called a neuter in a sense he was created from the lotus stemming from the navel of Garbhodakashayi Vishnu, thus his name is Svayambhu, i.e. not born from a material fathern and mother. Secondly, he does not procreate progeny, rather he creates by meditation, and thus the seven Rishish, the four Kumaras, the 12 Adityas (demigods) and the prajaapatis are created. Saraswati is indeed his wife who was born from his mouth. But their marriage is accepted as dharmic. Vak was probably another daighter created from his mouth (Saraswati is goddess of learning, while Vak is goddess of speaking). So he desired to have sex with her (he did not do it) and then the sages rebuked him (or according to another Purana Siva attacked him with his trident). Then Brahma gave up his body and thus he got purified from this sin. The moral is that the Jiva (Brahma is usually a Jiva wereas Siva and Vishnu are above the jiva category) has this atatstha nature, so he may come under the snare of Maya even if he is in the position of Brahma. Brahma got attracted to his own creation, so the Jiva usually gets attached to the results of his activities and wants to enjoy it. Of course he is unable to do so because he is servant of God by nature, so as Saturn (representing Brahma) is by nature a servant. On the other hand, Lords Vishnu is the acturla creator, maintainer and destructor of the universe, as many slokas from Bhagavatam support, and Hes is always above the influence of Maya. When Kamadeva wanted to allure Nara-Narayana Rsi (the incarnations of Krsna and Arjuna), he was unsuccessful, as Nara-Narayana created much more beautiful girls from Their energy than Kamadeva had in heavens. Thus he was defeated. Kamadeva also wanted to test Siva, so the result was that Siva opened his third eye and burnt him down. This is why he is also called Ananga (wihtout body) and he can wander amongst humans unnoticed and attack their hearts with lust. Still Siva is considered to be in the category of Siva-tattva, in between Jiva-tattva and Visnu-tattva. So when Bhagavan appeared as Mohini-murti who distributed the kumbha of nectar to the demigods, then Lord Siva wanted to see this form and he became attreacted to her sexually. So even Siva is somewhat in connection with Mayadevi as she is his consort, and therefore he became bewildered in this way. So coming back to Jyotish, Lagna represents the cause for our incarnation, i.e. the desire to interact with the material energy. Vishnu maintains us, both in conditioned and liberated stage (2nd house is maintenance) and Siva is the destruction of the desire, i.e. th gate to Moksa. Also Srimad Bhagavatam 5.20.33. gives a mantra with which the inhabitants of Pushkaradvipa worship Lord Brahma as the representative of Vishnu: yat tat karmamayam linga brahma-lingam jano 'rcayet ekaantam advayam shaantam tasmai bhagavate nama iti TRANSLATION Lord Brahmä is known as karma-maya, the form of ritualistic ceremonies, because by performing ritualistic ceremonies one may attain his position and because the Vedic ritualistic hymns become manifest from him. He is devoted to the Supreme Personality of Godhead without deviation, and therefore in one sense he is not different from the Lord. Nevertheless, he should be worshiped not as the monists worship him, but in duality. One should always remain a servitor of the Supreme Lord, the supreme worshipable Deity. We therefore offer our respectful obeisances unto Lord Brahmä, the form of manifest Vedic knowledge. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 > Om Rum Ramameshavara Nama > > Namaste, > We know that Brahma in the chart is Lagn, Vishnu is 2nd housea > And Siva is 7th... > > What is not clear is we have many Mantram's for Siva and Vishnu. > Yet for Brahma who has created the gods, we find none due > to a transgression of " incestuous intercourse with his own daughter" > (*see below for more). > My question is, what is this story a methapor of? what does it > tell us as a Jyotisha about Lagna, the nature of this engery > or about the creative principle ? > > > Pranams, > Frank > > *** from http://www.mypurohith.com/Encyclopedia/EnclopB3.asp > > "The name Brahma is not found in the Vedas and Brahmanas, in which > the active creator is known as Hiranya-garbha, Prajapati, &c.; but > there is a curious passage in the Satapatha Brahmana which says: "He > (Brahma, neuter) created the gods. Having created the gods, he > placed them in these worlds: in this world Agni, Vayu in the > atmosphere, and Surya in the sky." Two points connected with Brahma > are remarkable. As the father of men he performs the work of > procreation by incestuous intercourse with his own daughter, > variously named Vach or Saraswati (speech), Sandhya (twilight), Sata- > rupa (the hundred-formed), &c. Secondly, that his powers as creator > have been arrogated to the other gods Vishnu and Siva, while Brahma > has been thrown into the shade. In the Aitareya Brahmana it is said > that Prajapati was in the form of a buck and his daughter was Rohit, > a deer. According to the Satapatha Brahmana and Manu, the supreme > soul, the self-existent lord, created the waters and deposited in > them a seed, which seed became a golden egg, in which he himself was > born as Brahma, the progenitor of all the worlds. > > > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] > Send a blank mail > To : - > To : > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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