Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 Hi, In cases where Rahu owns Aquarius, does Saturn become a first-rate yogakaraka for Virgo asc natives? I don't see why not, yet there's nothing like a guru's word on it Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 Om Sri Gurave Namah, Dear Ramapriya, My opinion. I think it should be considered a Yoga Karaka. -warm vedic astrology, "Ramapriya D" <hubli@v...> wrote: > Hi, > > In cases where Rahu owns Aquarius, does Saturn become a first-rate yogakaraka for Virgo asc natives? I don't see why not, yet there's nothing like a guru's word on it > > Warm regards, > > Ramapriya > hubli@v... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Rama and Sanjay P, I am not so sure about Saturn being the yogakaraka when Rahu get's to be the lord of Aquarius. Correct me if i am wrong, but what i think is Aquarius is lorded by Rahu and Saturn. Rahu/Saturn are always referred to as co-lords to Aq. If Rahu does become the lord of Aq, it only means that Rahu's influence will be predominant. Does this mean Saturn's influence wont be there at all? Am not so sure. Regards Hari - vedic astrology Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:13 PM [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Om Sri Gurave Namah,Dear Ramapriya,My opinion.I think it should be considered a Yoga Karaka.-warm regardss.prabhakaranvedic astrology, "Ramapriya D" <hubli@v...> wrote:> Hi,> > In cases where Rahu owns Aquarius, does Saturn become a first-rate yogakaraka for Virgo asc natives? I don't see why not, yet there's nothing like a guru's word on it > > Warm regards,> > Ramapriya> hubli@v...Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 Hi Ram, It has been a long time.How are you.I just wanted to know that how you are considering saturn to be a first rate yogakarka,inspite of its ownership of the 6th.In my opinion it can be called a neutral planet or may be a little benefic, on account of its friendship with the lord of lagna.Saturn in its dasha or bhukti is bound to give the results of the 6th house in the first half of the dasha/bhukti since its mool trikona raashi falls in the 6th house.I also think that the position of saturn for virgo ascendant is same as jupiter for leo ascendant.Neutral or little benefic.The position of raahu in aquarius may strengthen saturn,but this will be both for good and bad.Bye RKvedic- astrology, "Ramapriya D" <hubli@v...> wrote: > Hi, > > In cases where Rahu owns Aquarius, does Saturn become a first-rate yogakaraka for Virgo asc natives? I don't see why not, yet there's nothing like a guru's word on it > > Warm regards, > > Ramapriya > hubli@v... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 Hi RK, Nice to hear from ya. My doubt had a disclaimer in the very first segment that read, "In cases where Rahu owns Aq", which meant that Sat couldn't then be the owner of 6th but only that of 5th. Your last sentence is confusing; could you clarify? When Rahu owns Aq, Sat has to give up the ownership claim, isn't it? Or is it? That was the meat of my doubt, actually Warm regards, Rama hubli - <rupkrishen <vedic astrology> Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:37 AM [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt > Hi Ram, It has been a long time.How are you.I just wanted to know > that how you are considering saturn to be a first rate > yogakarka,inspite of its ownership of the 6th.In my opinion it can be > called a neutral planet or may be a little benefic, on account of its > friendship with the lord of lagna.Saturn in its dasha or bhukti is > bound to give the results of the 6th house in the first half of the > dasha/bhukti since its mool trikona raashi falls in the 6th house.I > also think that the position of saturn for virgo ascendant is same as > jupiter for leo ascendant.Neutral or little benefic.The position of > raahu in aquarius may strengthen saturn,but this will be both for > good and bad.Bye RKvedic- > astrology, "Ramapriya D" <hubli@v...> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > In cases where Rahu owns Aquarius, does Saturn become a first-rate > yogakaraka for Virgo asc natives? I don't see why not, yet there's > nothing like a guru's word on it > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Ramapriya > > hubli@v... > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 Hi Hari, I'll be even less sure, should your hypothesis gain acceptance. If Saturn was to be somehow influential on 6H, howdja decide where A6 should fall? Or do you also calculate Sat's pada and name it A6(1) or something like that? Only can claim ownership on something, I think -- unless you're one of the Pandavas In any case, it's good that some gurus are answering me Warm regards, Rama hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - KattiNarahari (Aditya) vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:22 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Hare Rama Krishna Dear Rama and Sanjay P, I am not so sure about Saturn being the yogakaraka when Rahu get's to be the lord of Aquarius. Correct me if i am wrong, but what i think is Aquarius is lorded by Rahu and Saturn. Rahu/Saturn are always referred to as co-lords to Aq. If Rahu does become the lord of Aq, it only means that Rahu's influence will be predominant. Does this mean Saturn's influence wont be there at all? Am not so sure. Regards Hari - vedic astrology Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:13 PM [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Om Sri Gurave Namah,Dear Ramapriya,My opinion.I think it should be considered a Yoga Karaka.-warm regardss.prabhakaranvedic astrology, "Ramapriya D" <hubli@v...> wrote:> Hi,> > In cases where Rahu owns Aquarius, does Saturn become a first-rate yogakaraka for Virgo asc natives? I don't see why not, yet there's nothing like a guru's word on it > > Warm regards,> > Ramapriya> hubli@v...Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Rama, Why only A6? what about AL in case the lagna is Aq or Sc? In any case, A6 (or for that matter any arudha pada) is calculated only on the basis of which co-lord is more strong. Does that mean the other lord does not influence in any manner at all? My question remains the same to you. Regards Katti Narahari - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:06 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Hi Hari, I'll be even less sure, should your hypothesis gain acceptance. If Saturn was to be somehow influential on 6H, howdja decide where A6 should fall? Or do you also calculate Sat's pada and name it A6(1) or something like that? Only can claim ownership on something, I think -- unless you're one of the Pandavas In any case, it's good that some gurus are answering me Warm regards, Rama hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - KattiNarahari (Aditya) vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:22 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Hare Rama Krishna Dear Rama and Sanjay P, I am not so sure about Saturn being the yogakaraka when Rahu get's to be the lord of Aquarius. Correct me if i am wrong, but what i think is Aquarius is lorded by Rahu and Saturn. Rahu/Saturn are always referred to as co-lords to Aq. If Rahu does become the lord of Aq, it only means that Rahu's influence will be predominant. Does this mean Saturn's influence wont be there at all? Am not so sure. Regards Hari - vedic astrology Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:13 PM [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Om Sri Gurave Namah,Dear Ramapriya,My opinion.I think it should be considered a Yoga Karaka.-warm regardss.prabhakaranvedic astrology, "Ramapriya D" <hubli@v...> wrote:> Hi,> > In cases where Rahu owns Aquarius, does Saturn become a first-rate yogakaraka for Virgo asc natives? I don't see why not, yet there's nothing like a guru's word on it > > Warm regards,> > Ramapriya> hubli@v...Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 Hey Hari, Your question I see remains, as does my doubt. I mentioned A6 'cause the query pertained to Virgo. But I must confess I hadn't either thought of or heard this "stronger" element earlier. I was under the impression that once the matter of who becomes the lord is decided (based on strength, obviously), the other gave up. I've probably been watching too many bulls on National Geographic lately Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - KattiNarahari (Aditya) vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:59 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Hare Rama Krishna Dear Rama, Why only A6? what about AL in case the lagna is Aq or Sc? In any case, A6 (or for that matter any arudha pada) is calculated only on the basis of which co-lord is more strong. Does that mean the other lord does not influence in any manner at all? My question remains the same to you. Regards Katti Narahari - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:06 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Hi Hari, I'll be even less sure, should your hypothesis gain acceptance. If Saturn was to be somehow influential on 6H, howdja decide where A6 should fall? Or do you also calculate Sat's pada and name it A6(1) or something like that? Only can claim ownership on something, I think -- unless you're one of the Pandavas In any case, it's good that some gurus are answering me Warm regards, Rama hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - KattiNarahari (Aditya) vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:22 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Hare Rama Krishna Dear Rama and Sanjay P, I am not so sure about Saturn being the yogakaraka when Rahu get's to be the lord of Aquarius. Correct me if i am wrong, but what i think is Aquarius is lorded by Rahu and Saturn. Rahu/Saturn are always referred to as co-lords to Aq. If Rahu does become the lord of Aq, it only means that Rahu's influence will be predominant. Does this mean Saturn's influence wont be there at all? Am not so sure. Regards Hari - vedic astrology Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:13 PM [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Om Sri Gurave Namah,Dear Ramapriya,My opinion.I think it should be considered a Yoga Karaka.-warm regardss.prabhakaranvedic astrology, "Ramapriya D" <hubli@v...> wrote:> Hi,> > In cases where Rahu owns Aquarius, does Saturn become a first-rate yogakaraka for Virgo asc natives? I don't see why not, yet there's nothing like a guru's word on it > > Warm regards,> > Ramapriya> hubli@v...Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Hari and Ramapriya, i) The stronger Co-lord will pre-dominate the co-lordship of Aqua and Scorpio. ii) The Arudha of these signs is determined from the stronger PADA, and not the lord of the sign. iii) Dasa's WILL change the stronger Pada or the stronger lordship of the signs. This also counts for Graha Arudhas. This shows that the signs Aqua and Scorpio, have the ability to change their image, or focus ... when the right time comes. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Hey Hari, Your question I see remains, as does my doubt. I mentioned A6 'cause the query pertained to Virgo. But I must confess I hadn't either thought of or heard this "stronger" element earlier. I was under the impression that once the matter of who becomes the lord is decided (based on strength, obviously), the other gave up. I've probably been watching too many bulls on National Geographic lately Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - KattiNarahari (Aditya) vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:59 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Hare Rama Krishna Dear Rama, Why only A6? what about AL in case the lagna is Aq or Sc? In any case, A6 (or for that matter any arudha pada) is calculated only on the basis of which co-lord is more strong. Does that mean the other lord does not influence in any manner at all? My question remains the same to you. Regards Katti Narahari - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:06 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Hi Hari, I'll be even less sure, should your hypothesis gain acceptance. If Saturn was to be somehow influential on 6H, howdja decide where A6 should fall? Or do you also calculate Sat's pada and name it A6(1) or something like that? Only can claim ownership on something, I think -- unless you're one of the Pandavas In any case, it's good that some gurus are answering me Warm regards, Rama hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - KattiNarahari (Aditya) vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:22 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Hare Rama Krishna Dear Rama and Sanjay P, I am not so sure about Saturn being the yogakaraka when Rahu get's to be the lord of Aquarius. Correct me if i am wrong, but what i think is Aquarius is lorded by Rahu and Saturn. Rahu/Saturn are always referred to as co-lords to Aq. If Rahu does become the lord of Aq, it only means that Rahu's influence will be predominant. Does this mean Saturn's influence wont be there at all? Am not so sure. Regards Hari - vedic astrology Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:13 PM [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Om Sri Gurave Namah,Dear Ramapriya,My opinion.I think it should be considered a Yoga Karaka.-warm regardss.prabhakaranvedic astrology, "Ramapriya D" <hubli@v...> wrote:> Hi,> > In cases where Rahu owns Aquarius, does Saturn become a first-rate yogakaraka for Virgo asc natives? I don't see why not, yet there's nothing like a guru's word on it > > Warm regards,> > Ramapriya> hubli@v...Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 Dear Visti, Thanks for the explanation, but I think you must expound the second point. Are you suggesting that we should cast the padas for Aq from both Sa and Ra and then choose the stronger from the signs where the two padas fall (using the same rules for determining strength as we do for the grahas)? If that indeed is yes, I'm confounded, 'cause I was under the impression that we first determine the lord and then cast its pada normally. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 6:51 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Jaya Jagannath Dear Hari and Ramapriya, i) The stronger Co-lord will pre-dominate the co-lordship of Aqua and Scorpio. ii) The Arudha of these signs is determined from the stronger PADA, and not the lord of the sign. iii) Dasa's WILL change the stronger Pada or the stronger lordship of the signs. This also counts for Graha Arudhas. This shows that the signs Aqua and Scorpio, have the ability to change their image, or focus ... when the right time comes. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Ramapriya, The 2nd point has been explained by Gurudev 2-3 times allready. Yes we look at the stronger PADA when we wanto see which IMAGE will dominate this world. Stronger Lord tells us something else. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 4:37 PM Re: [vedic astrology] One elementary doubt Dear Visti, Thanks for the explanation, but I think you must expound the second point. Are you suggesting that we should cast the padas for Aq from both Sa and Ra and then choose the stronger from the signs where the two padas fall (using the same rules for determining strength as we do for the grahas)? If that indeed is yes, I'm confounded, 'cause I was under the impression that we first determine the lord and then cast its pada normally. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 6:51 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Jaya Jagannath Dear Hari and Ramapriya, i) The stronger Co-lord will pre-dominate the co-lordship of Aqua and Scorpio. ii) The Arudha of these signs is determined from the stronger PADA, and not the lord of the sign. iii) Dasa's WILL change the stronger Pada or the stronger lordship of the signs. This also counts for Graha Arudhas. This shows that the signs Aqua and Scorpio, have the ability to change their image, or focus ... when the right time comes. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 I have been following this thread with interest. Can you please explain/ elucidate Paras( ii) &( iii) of your mail--regarding Arudha pada & Dasa--further with examles. Regards, Fayyaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 Dear Visti, I enclose a chart (son's). From what you just stated, his A7 should've been in Ge instead of Sc, isn't it? Or have I missed something? Also, who gets to be lord of Aq when Sa and Ra are conjunct (a) in Aq (and when was the last time that happened? ) and (b) in some other rasi? I could think of some answer for (b) like that which has attained a higher longitude (Ra reckoned anticlockwise, of course) but (a) is what confuses me because in the two rasis that have co-lords, that which is in rasi itself is automatically ruled out from the leadership scheme! How about determination from the stronger navamsha instead? Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:01 PM Re: [vedic astrology] One elementary doubt Jaya Jagannath Dear Ramapriya, The 2nd point has been explained by Gurudev 2-3 times allready. Yes we look at the stronger PADA when we wanto see which IMAGE will dominate this world. Stronger Lord tells us something else. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 4:37 PM Re: [vedic astrology] One elementary doubt Dear Visti, Thanks for the explanation, but I think you must expound the second point. Are you suggesting that we should cast the padas for Aq from both Sa and Ra and then choose the stronger from the signs where the two padas fall (using the same rules for determining strength as we do for the grahas)? If that indeed is yes, I'm confounded, 'cause I was under the impression that we first determine the lord and then cast its pada normally. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 Dear Sarajit, "Multiple arudhas"?? Two ALs??? Seems like I'm in the wrong room. You may be completely correct, but I confess to not having heard any of these terms earlier... Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Friday, January 31, 2003 7:47 AM [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Jaya Jagannath Dear Ramapriya, When there are multiple arudhas of a house, the image shifts and the shift can happen too often. This is very difficult to ascertain the dominant arudha. However it is clear that one of them will be active at a time. This is the same problem I have with my Upapada. Those who have two ALs, you can see the change in personality, something like two faces. Best wishes Sarajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 Dear Sarajit, I too am confused with this idea of two ALs. Clarity would be wonderful. Phyllis - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:58 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Dear Sarajit, "Multiple arudhas"?? Two ALs??? Seems like I'm in the wrong room. You may be completely correct, but I confess to not having heard any of these terms earlier... Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Friday, January 31, 2003 7:47 AM [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Jaya Jagannath Dear Ramapriya, When there are multiple arudhas of a house, the image shifts and the shift can happen too often. This is very difficult to ascertain the dominant arudha. However it is clear that one of them will be active at a time. This is the same problem I have with my Upapada. Those who have two ALs, you can see the change in personality, something like two faces. Best wishes Sarajit Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 Hi Ram, As far as i know,Vedic astrology does not confer ownership of any sign to raahu.As a natural corrolary,I think raahu can't own any house.Your statement of raahu owning aquarius i took to mean as that raahu is placed in the sign aquarius which means the 6th house where virgo ascendant is concerned.In such a situation raahu does and cannot own the 6th house.It is only placed there.Like a tenant and not the house owner.Raahu naturewise being like saturn and also being plced in the sign of saturn will give results like saturn,thus strengthening saturn,but in no way it can be said that raahu in these circumstances owns the 6th house.As i said in my earlier post the strenghening of saturn in such circumstances will then be both for good and bad.That is both its benefic qualities as lord of 5th and malefic qualities as lord of 6th will increase and the results will be felt accordingly.I don't think in any circumstances it can be said that saturn will become a first rate yogkarka merely by the presence of raahu in the 6th house in the sign aquarius.By the way are you going to the world cup.In case you are,i woudn't mind tagging along.We can discuss bith astrology and cricket on the way.Bye RK --- In vedic astrology, "Ramapriya D" <hubli@v...> wrote: > Hi RK, > Nice to hear from ya. My doubt had a disclaimer in the very first segment > that read, "In cases where Rahu owns Aq", which meant that Sat couldn't then > be the owner of 6th but only that of 5th. > Your last sentence is confusing; could you clarify? When Rahu owns Aq, Sat > has to give up the ownership claim, isn't it? Or is it? That was the meat of > my doubt, actually > Warm regards, > Rama > hubli@v... > > - > <rupkrishen@v...> > <vedic astrology> > Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:37 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt > > > > Hi Ram, It has been a long time.How are you.I just wanted to know > > that how you are considering saturn to be a first rate > > yogakarka,inspite of its ownership of the 6th.In my opinion it can be > > called a neutral planet or may be a little benefic, on account of its > > friendship with the lord of lagna.Saturn in its dasha or bhukti is > > bound to give the results of the 6th house in the first half of the > > dasha/bhukti since its mool trikona raashi falls in the 6th house.I > > also think that the position of saturn for virgo ascendant is same as > > jupiter for leo ascendant.Neutral or little benefic.The position of > > raahu in aquarius may strengthen saturn,but this will be both for > > good and bad.Bye RKvedic- > > astrology, "Ramapriya D" <hubli@v...> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > In cases where Rahu owns Aquarius, does Saturn become a first- rate > > yogakaraka for Virgo asc natives? I don't see why not, yet there's > > nothing like a guru's word on it > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > hubli@v... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 hamsa om soham Dear Phyllis & Ramapriya, What makes Jyotish wonderful is that whenever we can have 2 answers, both are partially correct ! Scorpio and Aquarius have 2 co-lords. Thus, the houses that fall in these rasis will have 2 arudha padas. We need to first judge which of these padas is stronger at a given time. When lagna falls in a sign with dual ownership, there will be two AL's, both of which can manifest in the native's life. The 2nd AL should not be ignored. When both Jupiter and Rahu influence AL, we judge which results will be seen. Perhaps Jupiter is the stronger graha, and Rahu shows his nature during Rahu dasa (but both grahas will have an influence on AL). Similarly, when we have two AL's, both of them should be seen. There are several things related to multiple influences on AL / dual AL's: 1) A person may have multiple personality disorder 2) A person may seem to be both kind and backstabbing at the same time 3) A native may seem to be kind one day, and backstabbing the next 4) A native's image may change suddenly (a person might embrace a new religion). etc... ajit - Phyl Chubb MA vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 9:16 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Dear Sarajit, I too am confused with this idea of two ALs. Clarity would be wonderful. Phyllis - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:58 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Dear Sarajit, "Multiple arudhas"?? Two ALs??? Seems like I'm in the wrong room. You may be completely correct, but I confess to not having heard any of these terms earlier... Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Friday, January 31, 2003 7:47 AM [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Jaya Jagannath Dear Ramapriya, When there are multiple arudhas of a house, the image shifts and the shift can happen too often. This is very difficult to ascertain the dominant arudha. However it is clear that one of them will be active at a time. This is the same problem I have with my Upapada. Those who have two ALs, you can see the change in personality, something like two faces. Best wishes Sarajit Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Dear Phyl/Group Members, I am not sure but I think Sarajit is talking about signs where two lords can be seen and two arudhas can be calculated.Aquarius Lagna with Saturn and Rahu,Scorpio lagna with Ketu and Mars so for these, arudhas can be calculated from both planets though the dominant of the two is seen but there may be phases of life where one was more dominant than the other. Love, Kanupriya. > >Dear Sarajit, > >I too am confused with this idea of two ALs. Clarity would be wonderful. > >Phyllis > - > Ramapriya D > vedic astrology > Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:58 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt > > > Dear Sarajit, > > "Multiple arudhas"?? Two ALs??? Seems like I'm in the wrong room. You >may be completely correct, but I confess to not having heard any of these >terms earlier... > > Warm regards, > > Ramapriya > hubli > > - > Sarajit Poddar > vedic astrology > Friday, January 31, 2003 7:47 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt > > > Jaya Jagannath > Dear Ramapriya, > > When there are multiple arudhas of a house, the image shifts and the >shift can happen too often. This is very difficult to ascertain the >dominant arudha. However it is clear that one of them will be active at a >time. This is the same problem I have with my Upapada. > > Those who have two ALs, you can see the change in personality, >something like two faces. > > Best wishes > Sarajit > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > _______________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Dear Ajit, Thank you so much for your clear presentation. What you wrote became so obvious upon reading that I am amazed I couldn't see that for myself. This is another case of not being able to see the nose on my face. Thank you again............. Phyllis - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:06 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt hamsa om soham Dear Phyllis & Ramapriya, What makes Jyotish wonderful is that whenever we can have 2 answers, both are partially correct ! Scorpio and Aquarius have 2 co-lords. Thus, the houses that fall in these rasis will have 2 arudha padas. We need to first judge which of these padas is stronger at a given time. When lagna falls in a sign with dual ownership, there will be two AL's, both of which can manifest in the native's life. The 2nd AL should not be ignored. When both Jupiter and Rahu influence AL, we judge which results will be seen. Perhaps Jupiter is the stronger graha, and Rahu shows his nature during Rahu dasa (but both grahas will have an influence on AL). Similarly, when we have two AL's, both of them should be seen. There are several things related to multiple influences on AL / dual AL's: 1) A person may have multiple personality disorder 2) A person may seem to be both kind and backstabbing at the same time 3) A native may seem to be kind one day, and backstabbing the next 4) A native's image may change suddenly (a person might embrace a new religion). etc... ajit - Phyl Chubb MA vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 9:16 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Dear Sarajit, I too am confused with this idea of two ALs. Clarity would be wonderful. Phyllis - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:58 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Dear Sarajit, "Multiple arudhas"?? Two ALs??? Seems like I'm in the wrong room. You may be completely correct, but I confess to not having heard any of these terms earlier... Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Friday, January 31, 2003 7:47 AM [vedic astrology] Re: One elementary doubt Jaya Jagannath Dear Ramapriya, When there are multiple arudhas of a house, the image shifts and the shift can happen too often. This is very difficult to ascertain the dominant arudha. However it is clear that one of them will be active at a time. This is the same problem I have with my Upapada. Those who have two ALs, you can see the change in personality, something like two faces. Best wishes Sarajit Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Ramapriya, When there are multiple arudhas of a house, the image shifts and the shift can happen too often. This is very difficult to ascertain the dominant arudha. However it is clear that one of them will be active at a time. This is the same problem I have with my Upapada. Those who have two ALs, you can see the change in personality, something like two faces. Best wishes Sarajit - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:25 AM Re: [vedic astrology] One elementary doubt Dear Visti, I enclose a chart (son's). From what you just stated, his A7 should've been in Ge instead of Sc, isn't it? Or have I missed something? Also, who gets to be lord of Aq when Sa and Ra are conjunct (a) in Aq (and when was the last time that happened? ) and (b) in some other rasi? I could think of some answer for (b) like that which has attained a higher longitude (Ra reckoned anticlockwise, of course) but (a) is what confuses me because in the two rasis that have co-lords, that which is in rasi itself is automatically ruled out from the leadership scheme! How about determination from the stronger navamsha instead? Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:01 PM Re: [vedic astrology] One elementary doubt Jaya Jagannath Dear Ramapriya, The 2nd point has been explained by Gurudev 2-3 times allready. Yes we look at the stronger PADA when we wanto see which IMAGE will dominate this world. Stronger Lord tells us something else. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Wednesday, January 29, 2003 4:37 PM Re: [vedic astrology] One elementary doubt Dear Visti, Thanks for the explanation, but I think you must expound the second point. Are you suggesting that we should cast the padas for Aq from both Sa and Ra and then choose the stronger from the signs where the two padas fall (using the same rules for determining strength as we do for the grahas)? If that indeed is yes, I'm confounded, 'cause I was under the impression that we first determine the lord and then cast its pada normally. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) comArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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