Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Dear Visti, Thank you for your reply, that certainly makes it easier for me to understand... but why do all the texts, including "VA An Integrated Approach" (page 143) use this term? So .. for my Aquarius Lagna should I take Saturn to be malign, even though he is my Lagna Lord and Atma Karaka, and Jupiter as Benefic, when considering them as:- occupying planet house lord house karaka transiting Again, I appologise if this is a basic issue and I am wasting your time with it. Love, Gili you can't transcend what you haven't experienced >"Visti Larsen" <vishnu >vedic astrology ><vedic astrology> >Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of atmakaraka- to Swee Chan, >Guru Gauranga Das, Guru Robert Koch and others >Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:29:52 +0100 > >Hare Rama Krishna > >-\ - > >Dear Gili, >Parasara never used the Term "Functional Malefic". Hence neither will the >Gurus, unless it is very specific. > >Actually i have always tried to get rid of this term, as it is too general >a term, to be used when we talk of lordships. > >Best wishes >Visti >--- >Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org >Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: >vedic astrologybphs.zip >iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html > - > Gili Alvey > vedic astrology > Wednesday, January 15, 2003 2:12 AM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of atmakaraka- to Swee Chan, >Guru Gauranga Das, Guru Robert Koch and others Dear All. > Greetings and love. > I have been reading with delight the conversations concerning the atma > karaka and spirituality. I have no difficulty following but am >concerned > because I am always unsure whether, when the writer is refering to a >planet > as malefic/benefic, they mean as a natural or functional >malefic/benefic. > Are there guidelines for this? Would someone kindly explain them to me >or > guide me to a reference in the literature. > I am interested generally, though in my own chart Saturn, my AK is a > functional benefic and also lagna lord (Aquarius). He is in the 4th >house > with Mars and Moon (Rohini) and forms a parivartana with Venus >(yogakaraka) > in 12th. (I believe this parivartana is why I perceive my life as being > happy and carefree despite having Saturn in 4th. Isn't it also true >that > Venus protects the house 5th away from him? - I can't remember where I >read > or heard this). > This basic issue makes me worried that I am misinterpreting some of your > wisdom so I would be most grateful if someone would put me out of my >misery > and explain it to me. > Love, > Gili > > >"Robert A. Koch" <rk > >vedic astrology > >vedic astrology > >Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of atmakaraka- to Swee Chan, > >Guru Gauranga Das, Guru Robert Koch and others > >Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:46:14 -0800 > > > >Om Gurave Namah > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >Dear Sunil, > > > >Namaste - > > > >>You worte > > > >>Guru Robert Koch > >> > >>wrote: > >> > >>1. "Still, in my studies, I have found too that an exalted AK, and one > >>which engages in Raja-yoga also, are found in the charts of the most > >>influential spiritualists of all time." > >> > >>Query Part1: AK exalted Sun, together with lagna lord Mercury and the > >>dispositor Mars in 9th house, Sir what should we interpret on this? > > > >Certainly, for Virgo lagna, such a powerful AK in the 8th house is >going to > >direct the soul out of adversity - mostly probably physical or health > >challenges - toward his spiritual life, if the dispositor Mars goes to >the > >9th house. The crux of the issue here, however, would be as to whether >or > >not a link exists to Venus or Saturn (trinal lords), as well as >Jupiter. > >The AK will not promote great spirituality, as I mentioned in another >post, > >if the chart is not in other ways predisposed toward dharma to start >with. > > > >>Query Part2: Also if Mahabhagya yog is formed (as i understand when >sun, > >>moon and lagna be either in odd signs or even signs), would this be > >>considered a raja yoga. > > > >Mahabhagya yoga is certainly on par with Raja-yoga, if it applies in >full. > >For male nativities, birth in the day time, while lagna lord, Sun, and >Moon > >are in odd signs, should apply in order for the yoga to function fully. > >Normally, as B.V. Raman seems to suggests, the strength of Raja-yogas > >(including Maha-bhagya yoga) depends on the strength of the lagna, its > >lord, as well as the Atmakaraka. > > > >2. The AK, regardless of normal weakening conditions such as >debilitation, > >combustion, rasi or bhava sandhi, etc., remains powerful from the >spiritual > >point of view. He is, after all, the Atma, who, according to the > >Bhagavad-gita, does not become affected by material adversity or > >>pleasure. > > > > > >>Query: Personally I agree that the soul can never be weakened from the > >>spiritual point of view, but this raises another doubt, is the soul >always > >>illumined/enlightened form from the spiritual point of view, does the >AK > >>then signify the manifestation of how the soul will behave/path in >this > >>lifetime? (if i am getting too confused pls correct) > > > >Yes, first see the direction of the soul as per rashi and navamsa, as >well > >as Vimsamsa and Shastiamsa charts. If normal criteria for determining >the > >strengths of dharma houses exists, as well as the strength of planets > >relative to the Karakamsa lagna, then the AK joining all pertinent > >combinations will fuel the soul's path. Without the above criteria > >obtaining, however, the AK alone will not make the person spiritual. >See > >my other post to Gauranga Das on these points as well. > > > >Best regards, > >Robert > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Jyotish guru, Sri Jagannath Center > >http://www.robertkoch.com > >Email: rk > >PH: 541-318-0248 > > > _______________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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