Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 I have few doubts to be clarified: 1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga always benefic to the subject? What if it involves a maraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12? 2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is in Punarvasu star? 3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply for Virgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideas regards, N.Anand Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Ananad, Namaste. - "N.Anand" <astraldehyde <vedic astrology> Monday, January 13, 2003 11:45 AM [vedic astrology] Clarification sought > I have few doubts to be clarified: > > 1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga always > benefic to the subject? What if it involves a > maraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12? Not necessarily. Parivartana means only that the lords of the two houses exchange signs. It does not say whether the result is benefic or malefic. Only the relationship is strengthened. On the other hand, if it creates a viparita rajayoga by exchenge between two of the lords of 3, 6, 8 and 12. houses, then it actually benefits the native. > 2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is in > Punarvasu star? The highest exaltation is 5 degrees Cancer which is already in 1st pada of Pushya. The whole sign is considered as exaltation sign, but as much as it is distant from the highest exaltation point, that much weaker is the exaltation. So Jupiter is exalted in last pada of Punarvasu, and in the whole of Pusya and Aslesha. > 3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply for > Virgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? If Lagna is Kanya and Rahu in Kanya and Saturn in Leo, the there is NO parivartane between them. Parivartana between Saturn and Rahu occurs only when Saturn is in Aq and Rahu in Cp. So your definition of Parivartana seems to be incorrect. Parivartana means lords of two houses exchanging house, i.e. being in each other's houses simultaneously. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 > Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideas > regards, > N.Anand > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus. > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 Dear Ananda, Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in their own house. The results would depend on their placements. In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination. Chandrashekhar. - N.Anand vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM [vedic astrology] Clarification sought I have few doubts to be clarified:1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga alwaysbenefic to the subject? What if it involves amaraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12?2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is inPunarvasu star?3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply forVirgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideasregards,N.AnandDo you ? Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar, When you say that the planet would give results as if in their own house during its dasa, does it mean that it would give the results of the house of ownership or would it give the results of the house of occupation? Correct me if I am wrong. I have understood dasa effects of a planet as giving effects in areas related to the houses owned the effects are determined by the house occupied. For example, I have Jupiter, ruling the 7th and the 10th in the 12th. In Jupiter dasa, Jupiter sub, I got married and also got my first job. Jupiter was in transit in the 11th aspecting the 7th, and then in the 12th aspecting the 6th. But then, I got a job/study opportunity overseas within 5 months (Jupiter in transit in the 12th) and had to be separated from my husband for a further 5 months. Jup in 12th is 3rd from 10th, 7th from 6th could explain why the job was an opportunity and in 6th from 7th why it involved marital separation. Nimmi - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 6:18 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Ananda, Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in their own house. The results would depend on their placements. In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination. Chandrashekhar. - N.Anand vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM [vedic astrology] Clarification sought I have few doubts to be clarified:1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga alwaysbenefic to the subject? What if it involves amaraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12?2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is inPunarvasu star?3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply forVirgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideasregards,N.AnandDo you ? Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 Dear Nimmi, Planets in parivartan give results as if in their own house is related to their strengths.Hous ownership remains what it is. In your case as you know Jupiter harms(Bhrashta) the house in which he is situated. His being in 12th resulted in your shifting from your place and depriving you of bed pleasures( separation from husband). What we fail, probably, to understand is 12th house also sends a person away from his native lands. Now a days going abroad gives good monetary returns and we view it as a boon, but in ancient days having to leave one's country was viewed as a misfortune.Those displeasing the King used to be given punishment of being banished to other country. This is precisely why it is enjoined upon astrologers to take into account various factors operating at the time of prediction before ariving at any conclusion and to apply common sense. Jupiter being 10th lord your relocation occured in connection with job. Similarly when in 11th he was aspecting 7th (Bhava owned by him) which resulted in your getting married and also getting a job. About 11th house there is an exception to the rule as all planets in 11th give good results of that house. Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:34 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Chandrashekhar, When you say that the planet would give results as if in their own house during its dasa, does it mean that it would give the results of the house of ownership or would it give the results of the house of occupation? Correct me if I am wrong. I have understood dasa effects of a planet as giving effects in areas related to the houses owned the effects are determined by the house occupied. For example, I have Jupiter, ruling the 7th and the 10th in the 12th. In Jupiter dasa, Jupiter sub, I got married and also got my first job. Jupiter was in transit in the 11th aspecting the 7th, and then in the 12th aspecting the 6th. But then, I got a job/study opportunity overseas within 5 months (Jupiter in transit in the 12th) and had to be separated from my husband for a further 5 months. Jup in 12th is 3rd from 10th, 7th from 6th could explain why the job was an opportunity and in 6th from 7th why it involved marital separation. Nimmi - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 6:18 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Ananda, Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in their own house. The results would depend on their placements. In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination. Chandrashekhar. - N.Anand vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM [vedic astrology] Clarification sought I have few doubts to be clarified:1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga alwaysbenefic to the subject? What if it involves amaraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12?2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is inPunarvasu star?3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply forVirgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideasregards,N.AnandDo you ? Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, I have heard the term "Jupiter harms the house it is placed in" many times, and everytime i find it misunderstood. Let me clarify. It is a common known fact, that Benefics will not harm others than themself, whilst Malefics will do the exact opposite. Hence Benefics are more inclined to hurt the house they OWN, whilst malefics will be less inclined todo so. This is why Jupiter in the 8th from its own sign, is a much feared placement in a chart, and can cause destruction on that relevant house. Take the case of Sri Ramas chart where Jupiter is in Cancer Lagna with Moon. The 6th house is Sag, who's lord is in the 8th from it in Lagna, showing how the very devoted Ravana (6th house) who was a great Shiva-worshipper and Jyotish, was destroyed by Sri Rama, due to Ravanas misdeeds. This is what i have learnt from my Gurus, please comment. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:38 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Nimmi, Planets in parivartan give results as if in their own house is related to their strengths.Hous ownership remains what it is. In your case as you know Jupiter harms(Bhrashta) the house in which he is situated. His being in 12th resulted in your shifting from your place and depriving you of bed pleasures( separation from husband). What we fail, probably, to understand is 12th house also sends a person away from his native lands. Now a days going abroad gives good monetary returns and we view it as a boon, but in ancient days having to leave one's country was viewed as a misfortune.Those displeasing the King used to be given punishment of being banished to other country. This is precisely why it is enjoined upon astrologers to take into account various factors operating at the time of prediction before ariving at any conclusion and to apply common sense. Jupiter being 10th lord your relocation occured in connection with job. Similarly when in 11th he was aspecting 7th (Bhava owned by him) which resulted in your getting married and also getting a job. About 11th house there is an exception to the rule as all planets in 11th give good results of that house. Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:34 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Chandrashekhar, When you say that the planet would give results as if in their own house during its dasa, does it mean that it would give the results of the house of ownership or would it give the results of the house of occupation? Correct me if I am wrong. I have understood dasa effects of a planet as giving effects in areas related to the houses owned the effects are determined by the house occupied. For example, I have Jupiter, ruling the 7th and the 10th in the 12th. In Jupiter dasa, Jupiter sub, I got married and also got my first job. Jupiter was in transit in the 11th aspecting the 7th, and then in the 12th aspecting the 6th. But then, I got a job/study opportunity overseas within 5 months (Jupiter in transit in the 12th) and had to be separated from my husband for a further 5 months. Jup in 12th is 3rd from 10th, 7th from 6th could explain why the job was an opportunity and in 6th from 7th why it involved marital separation. Nimmi - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 6:18 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Ananda, Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in their own house. The results would depend on their placements. In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination. Chandrashekhar. - N.Anand vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM [vedic astrology] Clarification sought I have few doubts to be clarified:1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga alwaysbenefic to the subject? What if it involves amaraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12?2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is inPunarvasu star?3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply forVirgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideasregards,N.AnandDo you ? Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Dear Visti Is this an example of Jupiter harming the house 8th from it? In my chart Jupiter is in 6th(Cancer), with Rahu ... 8th from 11th, which is Sagittarius. However, for my Aquarius Lagna, Jupiter is a functional malefic. He is in his sign of exaltation but debilitated due to being retrograde. So should he harm my 6th house? And wouldn't harming the 6th house be beneficial to me? Jupiter seems to be responsible for my disease (cancer) being 3rd from Saturn, Moon, Mars and AL in my 4th house. Love, Gili you can't transcend what you haven't experienced >"Visti Larsen" <vishnu >vedic astrology ><vedic astrology> >Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought >Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:38:36 +0100 > >Hare Rama Krishna > >-\ - > >Dear Chandrashekhar, >I have heard the term "Jupiter harms the house it is placed in" many times, >and everytime i find it misunderstood. Let me clarify. > >It is a common known fact, that Benefics will not harm others than >themself, whilst Malefics will do the exact opposite. > >Hence Benefics are more inclined to hurt the house they OWN, whilst >malefics will be less inclined todo so. > >This is why Jupiter in the 8th from its own sign, is a much feared >placement in a chart, and can cause destruction on that relevant house. > >Take the case of Sri Ramas chart where Jupiter is in Cancer Lagna with >Moon. The 6th house is Sag, who's lord is in the 8th from it in Lagna, >showing how the very devoted Ravana (6th house) who was a great >Shiva-worshipper and Jyotish, was destroyed by Sri Rama, due to Ravanas >misdeeds. > >This is what i have learnt from my Gurus, please comment. > >Best wishes >Visti >--- >Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org >Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: >vedic astrologybphs.zip >iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html > - > Chandrashekhar > vedic astrology > Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:38 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought > > > Dear Nimmi, > Planets in parivartan give results as if in their own house is related >to their strengths.Hous ownership remains what it is. In your case as you >know Jupiter harms(Bhrashta) the house in which he is situated. His being >in 12th resulted in your shifting from your place and depriving you of bed >pleasures( separation from husband). > What we fail, probably, to understand is 12th house also sends a person >away from his native lands. Now a days going abroad gives good monetary >returns and we view it as a boon, but in ancient days having to leave one's >country was viewed as a misfortune.Those displeasing the King used to be >given punishment of being banished to other country. This is precisely why >it is enjoined upon astrologers to take into account various factors >operating at the time of prediction before ariving at any conclusion and to >apply common sense. Jupiter being 10th lord your relocation occured in >connection with job. Similarly when in 11th he was aspecting 7th (Bhava >owned by him) which resulted in your getting married and also getting a >job. About 11th house there is an exception to the rule as all planets in >11th give good results of that house. > Chandrashekhar. > - > Nimmi Ragavan > vedic astrology > Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:34 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > When you say that the planet would give results as if in their own >house during its dasa, does it mean that it would give the results of the >house of ownership or would it give the results of the house of occupation? > > Correct me if I am wrong. I have understood dasa effects of a planet >as giving effects in areas related to the houses owned the effects are >determined by the house occupied. > > For example, I have Jupiter, ruling the 7th and the 10th in the 12th. >In Jupiter dasa, Jupiter sub, I got married and also got my first job. >Jupiter was in transit in the 11th aspecting the 7th, and then in the 12th >aspecting the 6th. But then, I got a job/study opportunity overseas within >5 months (Jupiter in transit in the 12th) and had to be separated from my >husband for a further 5 months. Jup in 12th is 3rd from 10th, 7th from 6th >could explain why the job was an opportunity and in 6th from 7th why it >involved marital separation. > > Nimmi > > - > Chandrashekhar > vedic astrology > Monday, January 13, 2003 6:18 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought > > > Dear Ananda, > Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in >their own house. The results would depend on their placements. > In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter is >Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. > I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not >Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable in >example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as >Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination. > Chandrashekhar. > - > N.Anand > vedic astrology > Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM > [vedic astrology] Clarification sought > > > I have few doubts to be clarified: > > 1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga always > benefic to the subject? What if it involves a > maraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12? > > 2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is in > Punarvasu star? > > 3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply for > Virgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? > > Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideas > regards, > N.Anand > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus. > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to >vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of >Service. > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to >vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Attachment: (application/octet-stream) gili.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Dear Visti and Chandrashekhar, In Prabhu Rams chart Guru in Lagna being lord of 6th house does make a Mahapurusha but it would devoide or depart 9th (father), 7th (Wife) and 5th (Kingdom or Children) being the 6th lord. This is when Guru has high bindus and I am talking about Graha Dristi and Not Rasi Dristi. If Guru has low points < 4 bindus for the place where he is situated then during the antra of Guru there can be problems for the house Guru is situated in and reverse when Guru is with High bindus. This kinda becomes reverse of what you are saying. My point is that we need to make a distinction on the dristi being used and for what purpose. Don't mean to add confusion. Cheers !!! Ash vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > > -- ------------ > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > I have heard the term "Jupiter harms the house it is placed in" many times, and everytime i find it misunderstood. Let me clarify. > > It is a common known fact, that Benefics will not harm others than themself, whilst Malefics will do the exact opposite. > > Hence Benefics are more inclined to hurt the house they OWN, whilst malefics will be less inclined todo so. > > This is why Jupiter in the 8th from its own sign, is a much feared placement in a chart, and can cause destruction on that relevant house. > > Take the case of Sri Ramas chart where Jupiter is in Cancer Lagna with Moon. The 6th house is Sag, who's lord is in the 8th from it in Lagna, showing how the very devoted Ravana (6th house) who was a great Shiva-worshipper and Jyotish, was destroyed by Sri Rama, due to Ravanas misdeeds. > > This is what i have learnt from my Gurus, please comment. > > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic- astrologybphs.zip > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda- ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html > - > Chandrashekhar > vedic astrology > Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:38 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought > > > Dear Nimmi, > Planets in parivartan give results as if in their own house is related to their strengths.Hous ownership remains what it is. In your case as you know Jupiter harms(Bhrashta) the house in which he is situated. His being in 12th resulted in your shifting from your place and depriving you of bed pleasures( separation from husband). > What we fail, probably, to understand is 12th house also sends a person away from his native lands. Now a days going abroad gives good monetary returns and we view it as a boon, but in ancient days having to leave one's country was viewed as a misfortune.Those displeasing the King used to be given punishment of being banished to other country. This is precisely why it is enjoined upon astrologers to take into account various factors operating at the time of prediction before ariving at any conclusion and to apply common sense. Jupiter being 10th lord your relocation occured in connection with job. Similarly when in 11th he was aspecting 7th (Bhava owned by him) which resulted in your getting married and also getting a job. About 11th house there is an exception to the rule as all planets in 11th give good results of that house. > Chandrashekhar. > - > Nimmi Ragavan > vedic astrology > Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:34 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > When you say that the planet would give results as if in their own house during its dasa, does it mean that it would give the results of the house of ownership or would it give the results of the house of occupation? > > Correct me if I am wrong. I have understood dasa effects of a planet as giving effects in areas related to the houses owned the effects are determined by the house occupied. > > For example, I have Jupiter, ruling the 7th and the 10th in the 12th. In Jupiter dasa, Jupiter sub, I got married and also got my first job. Jupiter was in transit in the 11th aspecting the 7th, and then in the 12th aspecting the 6th. But then, I got a job/study opportunity overseas within 5 months (Jupiter in transit in the 12th) and had to be separated from my husband for a further 5 months. Jup in 12th is 3rd from 10th, 7th from 6th could explain why the job was an opportunity and in 6th from 7th why it involved marital separation. > > Nimmi > > - > Chandrashekhar > vedic astrology > Monday, January 13, 2003 6:18 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought > > > Dear Ananda, > Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in their own house. The results would depend on their placements. > In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. > I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination. > Chandrashekhar. > - > N.Anand > vedic astrology > Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM > [vedic astrology] Clarification sought > > > I have few doubts to be clarified: > > 1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga always > benefic to the subject? What if it involves a > maraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12? > > 2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is in > Punarvasu star? > > 3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply for > Virgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? > > Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideas > regards, > N.Anand > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus. > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Dear Visti, I would attempt to put forward my views in as forthright a manner as I can. I only pray that some one does not misunderstand that I intend any disrespect to Prabhu Ramachandra.I appeal to all members of the group to view the below comments as a rational discussion on horoscope of an Individual and not that of Shri Ramaprabhu as there is still a lot of controversy about his correct horoscope. The reason I am saying this is that ,one, I am still a student of astrology and another reason is that I find a lot of discussions on the forums trying to link Mythological events with astrology to suit an argument.I am making my position clear so that no one thinks that I mean any disrespect to you. I am merely putting forward my views on your theory of a benefic only protecting the house he s psited in and as you have cited Ramachandra's Horoscope. We will not look at other yogas in his horoscope and deal with only what you have given as an example. Let Us take Prabhu Ramachandra's Horoscope that you have given as an example and analyse the effect of Jupiter in Ascendant in a dispassionate way. To me Jupiter's power of harming the house, that he is posited in, is pretty evident. Ascendant represents the entire personality of a person and could be said to represent his entire Life in a nutshell. Now if we see reactions of Prabhu Rama under stress , assuming that the Ramayana available to us is an authentic copy of what Sage Walmiki wrote;by no strech of imagination one can say that he led a contented life without sorrows. You find that that 1)The Purushottama had to abdicate his kingdom on orders of his father(Why should lord of 9th in ascendant do this? I know that Jupiter is also Lord of 6th but this should give him victory over enemies which he did) 2) His wife was abducted as he was decieved by a Mayavi Rakshasa 3)He could not trust her character and asked her to go through the ordeal of fire 4) He asked his pregnant wife to be dropped off in a forest on the bassis of what a washerman said 5) And lastly per a version of Uttara Kanda he along with Lakshmana commited Suicide(politely called as jalsamadhi) by jumping into river Sarayu to end his life. There are many other acts that he commited which he would never have, given the strength of his knowledge and character ; had (as you imply) Jupiter joining Moon (Karaka of Mind besides being Ascendant Lord) not harmed his Tanusthana. The reason of his Victory over not only Ravana but other Rakshasas and Kings is explained by presence of 6th lord in Ascendant. Also Jupiter being karaka of Progeny he should have had Putra sukha which he didnot. It is even said his sons left Ayodhya and established their Capital in Lahore(After Lava) And Kushan (after Kush) in what is today Pakistan. Surely if Jupiter was to give good results, being putrakaraka aspecting Putra sthana this should not have happened. I would like other Gurus to comment on my reasoning in a dispassionate way , not bringing religion and religious beliefs into what is only effects of Jupiter on the house in which he is posited. Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:08 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, I have heard the term "Jupiter harms the house it is placed in" many times, and everytime i find it misunderstood. Let me clarify. It is a common known fact, that Benefics will not harm others than themself, whilst Malefics will do the exact opposite. Hence Benefics are more inclined to hurt the house they OWN, whilst malefics will be less inclined todo so. This is why Jupiter in the 8th from its own sign, is a much feared placement in a chart, and can cause destruction on that relevant house. Take the case of Sri Ramas chart where Jupiter is in Cancer Lagna with Moon. The 6th house is Sag, who's lord is in the 8th from it in Lagna, showing how the very devoted Ravana (6th house) who was a great Shiva-worshipper and Jyotish, was destroyed by Sri Rama, due to Ravanas misdeeds. This is what i have learnt from my Gurus, please comment. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:38 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Nimmi, Planets in parivartan give results as if in their own house is related to their strengths.Hous ownership remains what it is. In your case as you know Jupiter harms(Bhrashta) the house in which he is situated. His being in 12th resulted in your shifting from your place and depriving you of bed pleasures( separation from husband). What we fail, probably, to understand is 12th house also sends a person away from his native lands. Now a days going abroad gives good monetary returns and we view it as a boon, but in ancient days having to leave one's country was viewed as a misfortune.Those displeasing the King used to be given punishment of being banished to other country. This is precisely why it is enjoined upon astrologers to take into account various factors operating at the time of prediction before ariving at any conclusion and to apply common sense. Jupiter being 10th lord your relocation occured in connection with job. Similarly when in 11th he was aspecting 7th (Bhava owned by him) which resulted in your getting married and also getting a job. About 11th house there is an exception to the rule as all planets in 11th give good results of that house. Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:34 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Chandrashekhar, When you say that the planet would give results as if in their own house during its dasa, does it mean that it would give the results of the house of ownership or would it give the results of the house of occupation? Correct me if I am wrong. I have understood dasa effects of a planet as giving effects in areas related to the houses owned the effects are determined by the house occupied. For example, I have Jupiter, ruling the 7th and the 10th in the 12th. In Jupiter dasa, Jupiter sub, I got married and also got my first job. Jupiter was in transit in the 11th aspecting the 7th, and then in the 12th aspecting the 6th. But then, I got a job/study opportunity overseas within 5 months (Jupiter in transit in the 12th) and had to be separated from my husband for a further 5 months. Jup in 12th is 3rd from 10th, 7th from 6th could explain why the job was an opportunity and in 6th from 7th why it involved marital separation. Nimmi - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 6:18 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Ananda, Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in their own house. The results would depend on their placements. In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination. Chandrashekhar. - N.Anand vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM [vedic astrology] Clarification sought I have few doubts to be clarified:1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga alwaysbenefic to the subject? What if it involves amaraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12?2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is inPunarvasu star?3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply forVirgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideasregards,N.AnandDo you ? Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Dear Ash, I have given my views in the answer to Visti's mail please let me know your comments. Chandrashekhar. - ">ashsam73 <ashsam73 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> vedic astrology Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:00 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Clarification sought Dear Visti and Chandrashekhar,In Prabhu Rams chart Guru in Lagna being lord of 6th house does make a Mahapurusha but it would devoide or depart 9th (father), 7th (Wife) and 5th (Kingdom or Children) being the 6th lord. This is when Guru has high bindus and I am talking about Graha Dristi and Not Rasi Dristi.If Guru has low points < 4 bindus for the place where he is situated then during the antra of Guru there can be problems for the house Guru is situated in and reverse when Guru is with High bindus.This kinda becomes reverse of what you are saying. My point is that we need to make a distinction on the dristi being used and for what purpose.Don't mean to add confusion.Cheers !!!Ash--- In vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:> Hare Rama Krishna> > --> > Dear Chandrashekhar,> I have heard the term "Jupiter harms the house it is placed in" many times, and everytime i find it misunderstood. Let me clarify.> > It is a common known fact, that Benefics will not harm others than themself, whilst Malefics will do the exact opposite.> > Hence Benefics are more inclined to hurt the house they OWN, whilst malefics will be less inclined todo so.> > This is why Jupiter in the 8th from its own sign, is a much feared placement in a chart, and can cause destruction on that relevant house.> > Take the case of Sri Ramas chart where Jupiter is in Cancer Lagna with Moon. The 6th house is Sag, who's lord is in the 8th from it in Lagna, showing how the very devoted Ravana (6th house) who was a great Shiva-worshipper and Jyotish, was destroyed by Sri Rama, due to Ravanas misdeeds.> > This is what i have learnt from my Gurus, please comment.> > Best wishes> Visti> ---> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zip> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html> ----- Original Message ----- > Chandrashekhar > vedic astrology > Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:38 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought> > > Dear Nimmi,> Planets in parivartan give results as if in their own house is related to their strengths.Hous ownership remains what it is. In your case as you know Jupiter harms(Bhrashta) the house in which he is situated. His being in 12th resulted in your shifting from your place and depriving you of bed pleasures( separation from husband).> What we fail, probably, to understand is 12th house also sends a person away from his native lands. Now a days going abroad gives good monetary returns and we view it as a boon, but in ancient days having to leave one's country was viewed as a misfortune.Those displeasing the King used to be given punishment of being banished to other country. This is precisely why it is enjoined upon astrologers to take into account various factors operating at the time of prediction before ariving at any conclusion and to apply common sense. Jupiter being 10th lord your relocation occured in connection with job. Similarly when in 11th he was aspecting 7th (Bhava owned by him) which resulted in your getting married and also getting a job. About 11th house there is an exception to the rule as all planets in 11th give good results of that house.> Chandrashekhar.> - > Nimmi Ragavan > vedic astrology > Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:34 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,> > When you say that the planet would give results as if in their own house during its dasa, does it mean that it would give the results of the house of ownership or would it give the results of the house of occupation?> > Correct me if I am wrong. I have understood dasa effects of a planet as giving effects in areas related to the houses owned the effects are determined by the house occupied.> > For example, I have Jupiter, ruling the 7th and the 10th in the 12th. In Jupiter dasa, Jupiter sub, I got married and also got my first job. Jupiter was in transit in the 11th aspecting the 7th, and then in the 12th aspecting the 6th. But then, I got a job/study opportunity overseas within 5 months (Jupiter in transit in the 12th) and had to be separated from my husband for a further 5 months. Jup in 12th is 3rd from 10th, 7th from 6th could explain why the job was an opportunity and in 6th from 7th why it involved marital separation. > > Nimmi> > ----- Original Message ----- > Chandrashekhar > To: vedic astrology > Monday, January 13, 2003 6:18 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought> > > Dear Ananda,> Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in their own house. The results would depend on their placements.> In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. > I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination.> Chandrashekhar.> - > N.Anand > vedic astrology > Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM> [vedic astrology] Clarification sought> > > I have few doubts to be clarified:> > 1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga always> benefic to the subject? What if it involves a> maraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12?> > 2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is in> Punarvasu star?> > 3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply for> Virgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? > > Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideas> regards,> N.Anand> > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. 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Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, Your referrence to the planets in Lagna showing the overall fortune in life, is very delighting, as it shows that you know the significance of finding the NADIAMSA, of the native. But whilst the Lagna in a certain Nadiamsa will have an effect on the overlife of a native, 1 graha will not, unless it is the Chara Atmakaraka. This is why i have advocated Shani as AK in Sri Ramas life, in previous discussions about his chart. As you said, he experienced alot of Sorrow, and this happened due to the Curse of Father, Brahmin, and Mother. Most of these curses were felt during Shani's Moola Dasa, which no doubt marred his life. Answers to the points you raised: 1)The Purushottama had to abdicate his kingdom on orders of his father(Why should lord of 9th in ascendant do this? I know that Jupiter is also Lord of 6th but this should give him victory over enemies which he did) Visti: Curse of father is caused by Saturn and Mars both aspecting Sun in the 10th house. And 10th house also shows the throne. Mars and Saturn also both aspect Lagna where the 9th lord Jupiter is posited, hence confirming the curse of Father. Hence father asked him to abdicate. Why did this happen? Moon is also in the Lagna, hence there is also Curse of Mother, and with Shani in the 4th, the stepmother laid the foundation for him leaving his home. Note that Shani is retrogade, in his exaltation sign. This happened in Shani's Moola Dasa, which lasted for exactly 14 years. 2) His wife was abducted as he was decieved by a Mayavi Rakshasa Visti: This is due to the curse of a Brahmin, which was caused by Ravana. Jupiter is in Lagna, aspected by Mars and Saturn, hence the curse. Shani lords the 7th house, and this is where the results of the curse are experienced, namely in the loss of wife. 3)He could not trust her character and asked her to go through the ordeal of fire 4) He asked his pregnant wife to be dropped off in a forest on the bassis of what a washerman said Visti: Shani's lordship of the 7th, caused alot of suffering to Sri Ramas marriage, and the washerman is indicated by Shani in 4th. 5) And lastly per a version of Uttara Kanda he along with Lakshmana commited Suicide(politely called as jalsamadhi) by jumping into river Sarayu to end his life. Visti: Arudha lagna is in Aries, and the 3rd therfrom is Gemini, with Ketu, showing death from falling from a tree or the likes, and this being by mistake. This is aspected by Venus, showing that another person was aware of his demise. I can't comment on the source of your text. As for the effects of Jupiter on his children i can agree, being that its Putra Karaka. For others scrutiny i've included the chart hereunder: Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:04 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Visti, I would attempt to put forward my views in as forthright a manner as I can. I only pray that some one does not misunderstand that I intend any disrespect to Prabhu Ramachandra.I appeal to all members of the group to view the below comments as a rational discussion on horoscope of an Individual and not that of Shri Ramaprabhu as there is still a lot of controversy about his correct horoscope. The reason I am saying this is that ,one, I am still a student of astrology and another reason is that I find a lot of discussions on the forums trying to link Mythological events with astrology to suit an argument.I am making my position clear so that no one thinks that I mean any disrespect to you. I am merely putting forward my views on your theory of a benefic only protecting the house he s psited in and as you have cited Ramachandra's Horoscope. We will not look at other yogas in his horoscope and deal with only what you have given as an example. Let Us take Prabhu Ramachandra's Horoscope that you have given as an example and analyse the effect of Jupiter in Ascendant in a dispassionate way. To me Jupiter's power of harming the house, that he is posited in, is pretty evident. Ascendant represents the entire personality of a person and could be said to represent his entire Life in a nutshell. Now if we see reactions of Prabhu Rama under stress , assuming that the Ramayana available to us is an authentic copy of what Sage Walmiki wrote;by no strech of imagination one can say that he led a contented life without sorrows. You find that that 1)The Purushottama had to abdicate his kingdom on orders of his father(Why should lord of 9th in ascendant do this? I know that Jupiter is also Lord of 6th but this should give him victory over enemies which he did) 2) His wife was abducted as he was decieved by a Mayavi Rakshasa 3)He could not trust her character and asked her to go through the ordeal of fire 4) He asked his pregnant wife to be dropped off in a forest on the bassis of what a washerman said 5) And lastly per a version of Uttara Kanda he along with Lakshmana commited Suicide(politely called as jalsamadhi) by jumping into river Sarayu to end his life. There are many other acts that he commited which he would never have, given the strength of his knowledge and character ; had (as you imply) Jupiter joining Moon (Karaka of Mind besides being Ascendant Lord) not harmed his Tanusthana. The reason of his Victory over not only Ravana but other Rakshasas and Kings is explained by presence of 6th lord in Ascendant. Also Jupiter being karaka of Progeny he should have had Putra sukha which he didnot. It is even said his sons left Ayodhya and established their Capital in Lahore(After Lava) And Kushan (after Kush) in what is today Pakistan. Surely if Jupiter was to give good results, being putrakaraka aspecting Putra sthana this should not have happened. I would like other Gurus to comment on my reasoning in a dispassionate way , not bringing religion and religious beliefs into what is only effects of Jupiter on the house in which he is posited. Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:08 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, I have heard the term "Jupiter harms the house it is placed in" many times, and everytime i find it misunderstood. Let me clarify. It is a common known fact, that Benefics will not harm others than themself, whilst Malefics will do the exact opposite. Hence Benefics are more inclined to hurt the house they OWN, whilst malefics will be less inclined todo so. This is why Jupiter in the 8th from its own sign, is a much feared placement in a chart, and can cause destruction on that relevant house. Take the case of Sri Ramas chart where Jupiter is in Cancer Lagna with Moon. The 6th house is Sag, who's lord is in the 8th from it in Lagna, showing how the very devoted Ravana (6th house) who was a great Shiva-worshipper and Jyotish, was destroyed by Sri Rama, due to Ravanas misdeeds. This is what i have learnt from my Gurus, please comment. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:38 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Nimmi, Planets in parivartan give results as if in their own house is related to their strengths.Hous ownership remains what it is. In your case as you know Jupiter harms(Bhrashta) the house in which he is situated. His being in 12th resulted in your shifting from your place and depriving you of bed pleasures( separation from husband). What we fail, probably, to understand is 12th house also sends a person away from his native lands. Now a days going abroad gives good monetary returns and we view it as a boon, but in ancient days having to leave one's country was viewed as a misfortune.Those displeasing the King used to be given punishment of being banished to other country. This is precisely why it is enjoined upon astrologers to take into account various factors operating at the time of prediction before ariving at any conclusion and to apply common sense. Jupiter being 10th lord your relocation occured in connection with job. Similarly when in 11th he was aspecting 7th (Bhava owned by him) which resulted in your getting married and also getting a job. About 11th house there is an exception to the rule as all planets in 11th give good results of that house. Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:34 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Chandrashekhar, When you say that the planet would give results as if in their own house during its dasa, does it mean that it would give the results of the house of ownership or would it give the results of the house of occupation? Correct me if I am wrong. I have understood dasa effects of a planet as giving effects in areas related to the houses owned the effects are determined by the house occupied. For example, I have Jupiter, ruling the 7th and the 10th in the 12th. In Jupiter dasa, Jupiter sub, I got married and also got my first job. Jupiter was in transit in the 11th aspecting the 7th, and then in the 12th aspecting the 6th. But then, I got a job/study opportunity overseas within 5 months (Jupiter in transit in the 12th) and had to be separated from my husband for a further 5 months. Jup in 12th is 3rd from 10th, 7th from 6th could explain why the job was an opportunity and in 6th from 7th why it involved marital separation. Nimmi - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 6:18 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Ananda, Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in their own house. The results would depend on their placements. In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination. Chandrashekhar. - N.Anand vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM [vedic astrology] Clarification sought I have few doubts to be clarified:1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga alwaysbenefic to the subject? What if it involves amaraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12?2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is inPunarvasu star?3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply forVirgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideasregards,N.AnandDo you ? Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Anand: there are 3 types of parivarthana yogas 1. Dainya Yoga- when lord of 6 8 12 (dusthanas) are involved. This is not a favorable yoga 2. Kahala Yoga - when one of the planets involved is lord of 3rd. The other planet involved should not be lord of 6 8 12. Since 3rd is house of energy and strength. This yoga would imply that the native would invest a lot of energy into improving his lot. 3. Maha Yoga - exchange involving 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11. This is a benefic yoga. vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Ananda, > Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in their own house. The results would depend on their placements. > In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. > I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination. > Chandrashekhar. > - > N.Anand > vedic astrology > Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM > [vedic astrology] Clarification sought > > > I have few doubts to be clarified: > > 1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga always > benefic to the subject? What if it involves a > maraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12? > > 2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is in > Punarvasu star? > > 3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply for > Virgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? > > Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideas > regards, > N.Anand > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus. > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Dear Visti, I am glad you took to my post in the right spirit.This shows you are true seeker of knowledge.I wrote about the events , not to know about why they happened but to show how Jupiter created flaws in the whole personality as represented by the Tanu Sthana.This placement disturbed his sense of perspective. I mean that he one correct option to the detriment of other and ended up doing greater injustice in place of justice that he intended. Mark exalted Jupiter's association with Moon the Karaka of Mind in his own house.The Bhava was damaged which inturn damaged the results of Bhavadhipa. This is why I feel that the dictum that Jupiter damages(Bhrashta to be more percise) and saturn protects the Bhava in which he is placed appears to be correct.Also mark that exalted Saturn protected his mother's life. Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:07 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, Your referrence to the planets in Lagna showing the overall fortune in life, is very delighting, as it shows that you know the significance of finding the NADIAMSA, of the native. But whilst the Lagna in a certain Nadiamsa will have an effect on the overlife of a native, 1 graha will not, unless it is the Chara Atmakaraka. This is why i have advocated Shani as AK in Sri Ramas life, in previous discussions about his chart. As you said, he experienced alot of Sorrow, and this happened due to the Curse of Father, Brahmin, and Mother. Most of these curses were felt during Shani's Moola Dasa, which no doubt marred his life. Answers to the points you raised: 1)The Purushottama had to abdicate his kingdom on orders of his father(Why should lord of 9th in ascendant do this? I know that Jupiter is also Lord of 6th but this should give him victory over enemies which he did) Visti: Curse of father is caused by Saturn and Mars both aspecting Sun in the 10th house. And 10th house also shows the throne. Mars and Saturn also both aspect Lagna where the 9th lord Jupiter is posited, hence confirming the curse of Father. Hence father asked him to abdicate. Why did this happen? Moon is also in the Lagna, hence there is also Curse of Mother, and with Shani in the 4th, the stepmother laid the foundation for him leaving his home. Note that Shani is retrogade, in his exaltation sign. This happened in Shani's Moola Dasa, which lasted for exactly 14 years. 2) His wife was abducted as he was decieved by a Mayavi Rakshasa Visti: This is due to the curse of a Brahmin, which was caused by Ravana. Jupiter is in Lagna, aspected by Mars and Saturn, hence the curse. Shani lords the 7th house, and this is where the results of the curse are experienced, namely in the loss of wife. 3)He could not trust her character and asked her to go through the ordeal of fire 4) He asked his pregnant wife to be dropped off in a forest on the bassis of what a washerman said Visti: Shani's lordship of the 7th, caused alot of suffering to Sri Ramas marriage, and the washerman is indicated by Shani in 4th. 5) And lastly per a version of Uttara Kanda he along with Lakshmana commited Suicide(politely called as jalsamadhi) by jumping into river Sarayu to end his life. Visti: Arudha lagna is in Aries, and the 3rd therfrom is Gemini, with Ketu, showing death from falling from a tree or the likes, and this being by mistake. This is aspected by Venus, showing that another person was aware of his demise. I can't comment on the source of your text. As for the effects of Jupiter on his children i can agree, being that its Putra Karaka. For others scrutiny i've included the chart hereunder: Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:04 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Visti, I would attempt to put forward my views in as forthright a manner as I can. I only pray that some one does not misunderstand that I intend any disrespect to Prabhu Ramachandra.I appeal to all members of the group to view the below comments as a rational discussion on horoscope of an Individual and not that of Shri Ramaprabhu as there is still a lot of controversy about his correct horoscope. The reason I am saying this is that ,one, I am still a student of astrology and another reason is that I find a lot of discussions on the forums trying to link Mythological events with astrology to suit an argument.I am making my position clear so that no one thinks that I mean any disrespect to you. I am merely putting forward my views on your theory of a benefic only protecting the house he s psited in and as you have cited Ramachandra's Horoscope. We will not look at other yogas in his horoscope and deal with only what you have given as an example. Let Us take Prabhu Ramachandra's Horoscope that you have given as an example and analyse the effect of Jupiter in Ascendant in a dispassionate way. To me Jupiter's power of harming the house, that he is posited in, is pretty evident. Ascendant represents the entire personality of a person and could be said to represent his entire Life in a nutshell. Now if we see reactions of Prabhu Rama under stress , assuming that the Ramayana available to us is an authentic copy of what Sage Walmiki wrote;by no strech of imagination one can say that he led a contented life without sorrows. You find that that 1)The Purushottama had to abdicate his kingdom on orders of his father(Why should lord of 9th in ascendant do this? I know that Jupiter is also Lord of 6th but this should give him victory over enemies which he did) 2) His wife was abducted as he was decieved by a Mayavi Rakshasa 3)He could not trust her character and asked her to go through the ordeal of fire 4) He asked his pregnant wife to be dropped off in a forest on the bassis of what a washerman said 5) And lastly per a version of Uttara Kanda he along with Lakshmana commited Suicide(politely called as jalsamadhi) by jumping into river Sarayu to end his life. There are many other acts that he commited which he would never have, given the strength of his knowledge and character ; had (as you imply) Jupiter joining Moon (Karaka of Mind besides being Ascendant Lord) not harmed his Tanusthana. The reason of his Victory over not only Ravana but other Rakshasas and Kings is explained by presence of 6th lord in Ascendant. Also Jupiter being karaka of Progeny he should have had Putra sukha which he didnot. It is even said his sons left Ayodhya and established their Capital in Lahore(After Lava) And Kushan (after Kush) in what is today Pakistan. Surely if Jupiter was to give good results, being putrakaraka aspecting Putra sthana this should not have happened. I would like other Gurus to comment on my reasoning in a dispassionate way , not bringing religion and religious beliefs into what is only effects of Jupiter on the house in which he is posited. Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:08 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, I have heard the term "Jupiter harms the house it is placed in" many times, and everytime i find it misunderstood. Let me clarify. It is a common known fact, that Benefics will not harm others than themself, whilst Malefics will do the exact opposite. Hence Benefics are more inclined to hurt the house they OWN, whilst malefics will be less inclined todo so. This is why Jupiter in the 8th from its own sign, is a much feared placement in a chart, and can cause destruction on that relevant house. Take the case of Sri Ramas chart where Jupiter is in Cancer Lagna with Moon. The 6th house is Sag, who's lord is in the 8th from it in Lagna, showing how the very devoted Ravana (6th house) who was a great Shiva-worshipper and Jyotish, was destroyed by Sri Rama, due to Ravanas misdeeds. This is what i have learnt from my Gurus, please comment. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:38 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Nimmi, Planets in parivartan give results as if in their own house is related to their strengths.Hous ownership remains what it is. In your case as you know Jupiter harms(Bhrashta) the house in which he is situated. His being in 12th resulted in your shifting from your place and depriving you of bed pleasures( separation from husband). What we fail, probably, to understand is 12th house also sends a person away from his native lands. Now a days going abroad gives good monetary returns and we view it as a boon, but in ancient days having to leave one's country was viewed as a misfortune.Those displeasing the King used to be given punishment of being banished to other country. This is precisely why it is enjoined upon astrologers to take into account various factors operating at the time of prediction before ariving at any conclusion and to apply common sense. Jupiter being 10th lord your relocation occured in connection with job. Similarly when in 11th he was aspecting 7th (Bhava owned by him) which resulted in your getting married and also getting a job. About 11th house there is an exception to the rule as all planets in 11th give good results of that house. Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:34 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Chandrashekhar, When you say that the planet would give results as if in their own house during its dasa, does it mean that it would give the results of the house of ownership or would it give the results of the house of occupation? Correct me if I am wrong. I have understood dasa effects of a planet as giving effects in areas related to the houses owned the effects are determined by the house occupied. For example, I have Jupiter, ruling the 7th and the 10th in the 12th. In Jupiter dasa, Jupiter sub, I got married and also got my first job. Jupiter was in transit in the 11th aspecting the 7th, and then in the 12th aspecting the 6th. But then, I got a job/study opportunity overseas within 5 months (Jupiter in transit in the 12th) and had to be separated from my husband for a further 5 months. Jup in 12th is 3rd from 10th, 7th from 6th could explain why the job was an opportunity and in 6th from 7th why it involved marital separation. Nimmi - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 6:18 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Ananda, Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in their own house. The results would depend on their placements. In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination. Chandrashekhar. - N.Anand vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM [vedic astrology] Clarification sought I have few doubts to be clarified:1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga alwaysbenefic to the subject? What if it involves amaraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12?2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is inPunarvasu star?3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply forVirgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideasregards,N.AnandDo you ? Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, My Shani in 11th is biting again... FIND ME ONE SCRIPTURAL SOURCE FOR THIS DICTUM AND I WILL ACCEPT IT. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:09 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Visti, I am glad you took to my post in the right spirit.This shows you are true seeker of knowledge.I wrote about the events , not to know about why they happened but to show how Jupiter created flaws in the whole personality as represented by the Tanu Sthana.This placement disturbed his sense of perspective. I mean that he one correct option to the detriment of other and ended up doing greater injustice in place of justice that he intended. Mark exalted Jupiter's association with Moon the Karaka of Mind in his own house.The Bhava was damaged which inturn damaged the results of Bhavadhipa. This is why I feel that the dictum that Jupiter damages(Bhrashta to be more percise) and saturn protects the Bhava in which he is placed appears to be correct.Also mark that exalted Saturn protected his mother's life. Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:07 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, Your referrence to the planets in Lagna showing the overall fortune in life, is very delighting, as it shows that you know the significance of finding the NADIAMSA, of the native. But whilst the Lagna in a certain Nadiamsa will have an effect on the overlife of a native, 1 graha will not, unless it is the Chara Atmakaraka. This is why i have advocated Shani as AK in Sri Ramas life, in previous discussions about his chart. As you said, he experienced alot of Sorrow, and this happened due to the Curse of Father, Brahmin, and Mother. Most of these curses were felt during Shani's Moola Dasa, which no doubt marred his life. Answers to the points you raised: 1)The Purushottama had to abdicate his kingdom on orders of his father(Why should lord of 9th in ascendant do this? I know that Jupiter is also Lord of 6th but this should give him victory over enemies which he did) Visti: Curse of father is caused by Saturn and Mars both aspecting Sun in the 10th house. And 10th house also shows the throne. Mars and Saturn also both aspect Lagna where the 9th lord Jupiter is posited, hence confirming the curse of Father. Hence father asked him to abdicate. Why did this happen? Moon is also in the Lagna, hence there is also Curse of Mother, and with Shani in the 4th, the stepmother laid the foundation for him leaving his home. Note that Shani is retrogade, in his exaltation sign. This happened in Shani's Moola Dasa, which lasted for exactly 14 years. 2) His wife was abducted as he was decieved by a Mayavi Rakshasa Visti: This is due to the curse of a Brahmin, which was caused by Ravana. Jupiter is in Lagna, aspected by Mars and Saturn, hence the curse. Shani lords the 7th house, and this is where the results of the curse are experienced, namely in the loss of wife. 3)He could not trust her character and asked her to go through the ordeal of fire 4) He asked his pregnant wife to be dropped off in a forest on the bassis of what a washerman said Visti: Shani's lordship of the 7th, caused alot of suffering to Sri Ramas marriage, and the washerman is indicated by Shani in 4th. 5) And lastly per a version of Uttara Kanda he along with Lakshmana commited Suicide(politely called as jalsamadhi) by jumping into river Sarayu to end his life. Visti: Arudha lagna is in Aries, and the 3rd therfrom is Gemini, with Ketu, showing death from falling from a tree or the likes, and this being by mistake. This is aspected by Venus, showing that another person was aware of his demise. I can't comment on the source of your text. As for the effects of Jupiter on his children i can agree, being that its Putra Karaka. For others scrutiny i've included the chart hereunder: Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:04 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Visti, I would attempt to put forward my views in as forthright a manner as I can. I only pray that some one does not misunderstand that I intend any disrespect to Prabhu Ramachandra.I appeal to all members of the group to view the below comments as a rational discussion on horoscope of an Individual and not that of Shri Ramaprabhu as there is still a lot of controversy about his correct horoscope. The reason I am saying this is that ,one, I am still a student of astrology and another reason is that I find a lot of discussions on the forums trying to link Mythological events with astrology to suit an argument.I am making my position clear so that no one thinks that I mean any disrespect to you. I am merely putting forward my views on your theory of a benefic only protecting the house he s psited in and as you have cited Ramachandra's Horoscope. We will not look at other yogas in his horoscope and deal with only what you have given as an example. Let Us take Prabhu Ramachandra's Horoscope that you have given as an example and analyse the effect of Jupiter in Ascendant in a dispassionate way. To me Jupiter's power of harming the house, that he is posited in, is pretty evident. Ascendant represents the entire personality of a person and could be said to represent his entire Life in a nutshell. Now if we see reactions of Prabhu Rama under stress , assuming that the Ramayana available to us is an authentic copy of what Sage Walmiki wrote;by no strech of imagination one can say that he led a contented life without sorrows. You find that that 1)The Purushottama had to abdicate his kingdom on orders of his father(Why should lord of 9th in ascendant do this? I know that Jupiter is also Lord of 6th but this should give him victory over enemies which he did) 2) His wife was abducted as he was decieved by a Mayavi Rakshasa 3)He could not trust her character and asked her to go through the ordeal of fire 4) He asked his pregnant wife to be dropped off in a forest on the bassis of what a washerman said 5) And lastly per a version of Uttara Kanda he along with Lakshmana commited Suicide(politely called as jalsamadhi) by jumping into river Sarayu to end his life. There are many other acts that he commited which he would never have, given the strength of his knowledge and character ; had (as you imply) Jupiter joining Moon (Karaka of Mind besides being Ascendant Lord) not harmed his Tanusthana. The reason of his Victory over not only Ravana but other Rakshasas and Kings is explained by presence of 6th lord in Ascendant. Also Jupiter being karaka of Progeny he should have had Putra sukha which he didnot. It is even said his sons left Ayodhya and established their Capital in Lahore(After Lava) And Kushan (after Kush) in what is today Pakistan. Surely if Jupiter was to give good results, being putrakaraka aspecting Putra sthana this should not have happened. I would like other Gurus to comment on my reasoning in a dispassionate way , not bringing religion and religious beliefs into what is only effects of Jupiter on the house in which he is posited. Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:08 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, I have heard the term "Jupiter harms the house it is placed in" many times, and everytime i find it misunderstood. Let me clarify. It is a common known fact, that Benefics will not harm others than themself, whilst Malefics will do the exact opposite. Hence Benefics are more inclined to hurt the house they OWN, whilst malefics will be less inclined todo so. This is why Jupiter in the 8th from its own sign, is a much feared placement in a chart, and can cause destruction on that relevant house. Take the case of Sri Ramas chart where Jupiter is in Cancer Lagna with Moon. The 6th house is Sag, who's lord is in the 8th from it in Lagna, showing how the very devoted Ravana (6th house) who was a great Shiva-worshipper and Jyotish, was destroyed by Sri Rama, due to Ravanas misdeeds. This is what i have learnt from my Gurus, please comment. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:38 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Nimmi, Planets in parivartan give results as if in their own house is related to their strengths.Hous ownership remains what it is. In your case as you know Jupiter harms(Bhrashta) the house in which he is situated. His being in 12th resulted in your shifting from your place and depriving you of bed pleasures( separation from husband). What we fail, probably, to understand is 12th house also sends a person away from his native lands. Now a days going abroad gives good monetary returns and we view it as a boon, but in ancient days having to leave one's country was viewed as a misfortune.Those displeasing the King used to be given punishment of being banished to other country. This is precisely why it is enjoined upon astrologers to take into account various factors operating at the time of prediction before ariving at any conclusion and to apply common sense. Jupiter being 10th lord your relocation occured in connection with job. Similarly when in 11th he was aspecting 7th (Bhava owned by him) which resulted in your getting married and also getting a job. About 11th house there is an exception to the rule as all planets in 11th give good results of that house. Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:34 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Chandrashekhar, When you say that the planet would give results as if in their own house during its dasa, does it mean that it would give the results of the house of ownership or would it give the results of the house of occupation? Correct me if I am wrong. I have understood dasa effects of a planet as giving effects in areas related to the houses owned the effects are determined by the house occupied. For example, I have Jupiter, ruling the 7th and the 10th in the 12th. In Jupiter dasa, Jupiter sub, I got married and also got my first job. Jupiter was in transit in the 11th aspecting the 7th, and then in the 12th aspecting the 6th. But then, I got a job/study opportunity overseas within 5 months (Jupiter in transit in the 12th) and had to be separated from my husband for a further 5 months. Jup in 12th is 3rd from 10th, 7th from 6th could explain why the job was an opportunity and in 6th from 7th why it involved marital separation. Nimmi - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 6:18 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Ananda, Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in their own house. The results would depend on their placements. In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination. Chandrashekhar. - N.Anand vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM [vedic astrology] Clarification sought I have few doubts to be clarified:1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga alwaysbenefic to the subject? What if it involves amaraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12?2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is inPunarvasu star?3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply forVirgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideasregards,N.AnandDo you ? Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Dear Soundar, If I may, Exchange of lords of dusthana give rise to Vipareeta Rajyoga is what I think is the correct position. Correct me if I am wrong. Chandrashekhar. - ">Soundar Krishnaswami <soundar_krishna (AT) syntelinc (DOT) com> vedic astrology Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:14 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Clarification sought Hare Rama KrishnaAnand:there are 3 types of parivarthana yogas1. Dainya Yoga- when lord of 6 8 12 (dusthanas) are involved.This is not a favorable yoga2. Kahala Yoga - when one of the planets involved is lord of 3rd. The other planet involved should not be lord of 6 8 12. Since 3rd is house of energy and strength. This yoga would imply that the native would invest a lot of energy into improving his lot. 3. Maha Yoga - exchange involving 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11. This is a benefic yoga. vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Ananda,> Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in their own house. The results would depend on their placements.> In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. > I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination.> Chandrashekhar.> - > N.Anand > vedic astrology > Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM> [vedic astrology] Clarification sought> > > I have few doubts to be clarified:> > 1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga always> benefic to the subject? What if it involves a> maraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12?> > 2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is in> Punarvasu star?> > 3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply for> Virgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? > > Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideas> regards,> N.Anand> > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.> http://mailplus.> > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Dear Visti, I think it is Sarvart Chintamani.I will confirm and let you know. Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Friday, January 17, 2003 12:38 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, My Shani in 11th is biting again... FIND ME ONE SCRIPTURAL SOURCE FOR THIS DICTUM AND I WILL ACCEPT IT. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:09 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Visti, I am glad you took to my post in the right spirit.This shows you are true seeker of knowledge.I wrote about the events , not to know about why they happened but to show how Jupiter created flaws in the whole personality as represented by the Tanu Sthana.This placement disturbed his sense of perspective. I mean that he one correct option to the detriment of other and ended up doing greater injustice in place of justice that he intended. Mark exalted Jupiter's association with Moon the Karaka of Mind in his own house.The Bhava was damaged which inturn damaged the results of Bhavadhipa. This is why I feel that the dictum that Jupiter damages(Bhrashta to be more percise) and saturn protects the Bhava in which he is placed appears to be correct.Also mark that exalted Saturn protected his mother's life. Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:07 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, Your referrence to the planets in Lagna showing the overall fortune in life, is very delighting, as it shows that you know the significance of finding the NADIAMSA, of the native. But whilst the Lagna in a certain Nadiamsa will have an effect on the overlife of a native, 1 graha will not, unless it is the Chara Atmakaraka. This is why i have advocated Shani as AK in Sri Ramas life, in previous discussions about his chart. As you said, he experienced alot of Sorrow, and this happened due to the Curse of Father, Brahmin, and Mother. Most of these curses were felt during Shani's Moola Dasa, which no doubt marred his life. Answers to the points you raised: 1)The Purushottama had to abdicate his kingdom on orders of his father(Why should lord of 9th in ascendant do this? I know that Jupiter is also Lord of 6th but this should give him victory over enemies which he did) Visti: Curse of father is caused by Saturn and Mars both aspecting Sun in the 10th house. And 10th house also shows the throne. Mars and Saturn also both aspect Lagna where the 9th lord Jupiter is posited, hence confirming the curse of Father. Hence father asked him to abdicate. Why did this happen? Moon is also in the Lagna, hence there is also Curse of Mother, and with Shani in the 4th, the stepmother laid the foundation for him leaving his home. Note that Shani is retrogade, in his exaltation sign. This happened in Shani's Moola Dasa, which lasted for exactly 14 years. 2) His wife was abducted as he was decieved by a Mayavi Rakshasa Visti: This is due to the curse of a Brahmin, which was caused by Ravana. Jupiter is in Lagna, aspected by Mars and Saturn, hence the curse. Shani lords the 7th house, and this is where the results of the curse are experienced, namely in the loss of wife. 3)He could not trust her character and asked her to go through the ordeal of fire 4) He asked his pregnant wife to be dropped off in a forest on the bassis of what a washerman said Visti: Shani's lordship of the 7th, caused alot of suffering to Sri Ramas marriage, and the washerman is indicated by Shani in 4th. 5) And lastly per a version of Uttara Kanda he along with Lakshmana commited Suicide(politely called as jalsamadhi) by jumping into river Sarayu to end his life. Visti: Arudha lagna is in Aries, and the 3rd therfrom is Gemini, with Ketu, showing death from falling from a tree or the likes, and this being by mistake. This is aspected by Venus, showing that another person was aware of his demise. I can't comment on the source of your text. As for the effects of Jupiter on his children i can agree, being that its Putra Karaka. For others scrutiny i've included the chart hereunder: Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:04 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Visti, I would attempt to put forward my views in as forthright a manner as I can. I only pray that some one does not misunderstand that I intend any disrespect to Prabhu Ramachandra.I appeal to all members of the group to view the below comments as a rational discussion on horoscope of an Individual and not that of Shri Ramaprabhu as there is still a lot of controversy about his correct horoscope. The reason I am saying this is that ,one, I am still a student of astrology and another reason is that I find a lot of discussions on the forums trying to link Mythological events with astrology to suit an argument.I am making my position clear so that no one thinks that I mean any disrespect to you. I am merely putting forward my views on your theory of a benefic only protecting the house he s psited in and as you have cited Ramachandra's Horoscope. We will not look at other yogas in his horoscope and deal with only what you have given as an example. Let Us take Prabhu Ramachandra's Horoscope that you have given as an example and analyse the effect of Jupiter in Ascendant in a dispassionate way. To me Jupiter's power of harming the house, that he is posited in, is pretty evident. Ascendant represents the entire personality of a person and could be said to represent his entire Life in a nutshell. Now if we see reactions of Prabhu Rama under stress , assuming that the Ramayana available to us is an authentic copy of what Sage Walmiki wrote;by no strech of imagination one can say that he led a contented life without sorrows. You find that that 1)The Purushottama had to abdicate his kingdom on orders of his father(Why should lord of 9th in ascendant do this? I know that Jupiter is also Lord of 6th but this should give him victory over enemies which he did) 2) His wife was abducted as he was decieved by a Mayavi Rakshasa 3)He could not trust her character and asked her to go through the ordeal of fire 4) He asked his pregnant wife to be dropped off in a forest on the bassis of what a washerman said 5) And lastly per a version of Uttara Kanda he along with Lakshmana commited Suicide(politely called as jalsamadhi) by jumping into river Sarayu to end his life. There are many other acts that he commited which he would never have, given the strength of his knowledge and character ; had (as you imply) Jupiter joining Moon (Karaka of Mind besides being Ascendant Lord) not harmed his Tanusthana. The reason of his Victory over not only Ravana but other Rakshasas and Kings is explained by presence of 6th lord in Ascendant. Also Jupiter being karaka of Progeny he should have had Putra sukha which he didnot. It is even said his sons left Ayodhya and established their Capital in Lahore(After Lava) And Kushan (after Kush) in what is today Pakistan. Surely if Jupiter was to give good results, being putrakaraka aspecting Putra sthana this should not have happened. I would like other Gurus to comment on my reasoning in a dispassionate way , not bringing religion and religious beliefs into what is only effects of Jupiter on the house in which he is posited. Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:08 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, I have heard the term "Jupiter harms the house it is placed in" many times, and everytime i find it misunderstood. Let me clarify. It is a common known fact, that Benefics will not harm others than themself, whilst Malefics will do the exact opposite. Hence Benefics are more inclined to hurt the house they OWN, whilst malefics will be less inclined todo so. This is why Jupiter in the 8th from its own sign, is a much feared placement in a chart, and can cause destruction on that relevant house. Take the case of Sri Ramas chart where Jupiter is in Cancer Lagna with Moon. The 6th house is Sag, who's lord is in the 8th from it in Lagna, showing how the very devoted Ravana (6th house) who was a great Shiva-worshipper and Jyotish, was destroyed by Sri Rama, due to Ravanas misdeeds. This is what i have learnt from my Gurus, please comment. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:38 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Nimmi, Planets in parivartan give results as if in their own house is related to their strengths.Hous ownership remains what it is. In your case as you know Jupiter harms(Bhrashta) the house in which he is situated. His being in 12th resulted in your shifting from your place and depriving you of bed pleasures( separation from husband). What we fail, probably, to understand is 12th house also sends a person away from his native lands. Now a days going abroad gives good monetary returns and we view it as a boon, but in ancient days having to leave one's country was viewed as a misfortune.Those displeasing the King used to be given punishment of being banished to other country. This is precisely why it is enjoined upon astrologers to take into account various factors operating at the time of prediction before ariving at any conclusion and to apply common sense. Jupiter being 10th lord your relocation occured in connection with job. Similarly when in 11th he was aspecting 7th (Bhava owned by him) which resulted in your getting married and also getting a job. About 11th house there is an exception to the rule as all planets in 11th give good results of that house. Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:34 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Chandrashekhar, When you say that the planet would give results as if in their own house during its dasa, does it mean that it would give the results of the house of ownership or would it give the results of the house of occupation? Correct me if I am wrong. I have understood dasa effects of a planet as giving effects in areas related to the houses owned the effects are determined by the house occupied. For example, I have Jupiter, ruling the 7th and the 10th in the 12th. In Jupiter dasa, Jupiter sub, I got married and also got my first job. Jupiter was in transit in the 11th aspecting the 7th, and then in the 12th aspecting the 6th. But then, I got a job/study opportunity overseas within 5 months (Jupiter in transit in the 12th) and had to be separated from my husband for a further 5 months. Jup in 12th is 3rd from 10th, 7th from 6th could explain why the job was an opportunity and in 6th from 7th why it involved marital separation. Nimmi - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 6:18 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Ananda, Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in their own house. The results would depend on their placements. In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination. Chandrashekhar. - N.Anand vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM [vedic astrology] Clarification sought I have few doubts to be clarified:1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga alwaysbenefic to the subject? What if it involves amaraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12?2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is inPunarvasu star?3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply forVirgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideasregards,N.AnandDo you ? Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Dear Visti, I am sorry I thought you were referring to the Jupiter damaging the house.I now assume that you are refering to Prabhu Rama's Mother.There are more than one Ramayana written by various sages in India viz. Tulsi Ramayana, Valmiki Ramayana, kadamba Ramayana and so on, so unless you saturn is really biting I think it will be better to ask him not to do so. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Friday, January 17, 2003 12:38 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, My Shani in 11th is biting again... FIND ME ONE SCRIPTURAL SOURCE FOR THIS DICTUM AND I WILL ACCEPT IT. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:09 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Visti, I am glad you took to my post in the right spirit.This shows you are true seeker of knowledge.I wrote about the events , not to know about why they happened but to show how Jupiter created flaws in the whole personality as represented by the Tanu Sthana.This placement disturbed his sense of perspective. I mean that he one correct option to the detriment of other and ended up doing greater injustice in place of justice that he intended. Mark exalted Jupiter's association with Moon the Karaka of Mind in his own house.The Bhava was damaged which inturn damaged the results of Bhavadhipa. This is why I feel that the dictum that Jupiter damages(Bhrashta to be more percise) and saturn protects the Bhava in which he is placed appears to be correct.Also mark that exalted Saturn protected his mother's life. Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:07 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, Your referrence to the planets in Lagna showing the overall fortune in life, is very delighting, as it shows that you know the significance of finding the NADIAMSA, of the native. But whilst the Lagna in a certain Nadiamsa will have an effect on the overlife of a native, 1 graha will not, unless it is the Chara Atmakaraka. This is why i have advocated Shani as AK in Sri Ramas life, in previous discussions about his chart. As you said, he experienced alot of Sorrow, and this happened due to the Curse of Father, Brahmin, and Mother. Most of these curses were felt during Shani's Moola Dasa, which no doubt marred his life. Answers to the points you raised: 1)The Purushottama had to abdicate his kingdom on orders of his father(Why should lord of 9th in ascendant do this? I know that Jupiter is also Lord of 6th but this should give him victory over enemies which he did) Visti: Curse of father is caused by Saturn and Mars both aspecting Sun in the 10th house. And 10th house also shows the throne. Mars and Saturn also both aspect Lagna where the 9th lord Jupiter is posited, hence confirming the curse of Father. Hence father asked him to abdicate. Why did this happen? Moon is also in the Lagna, hence there is also Curse of Mother, and with Shani in the 4th, the stepmother laid the foundation for him leaving his home. Note that Shani is retrogade, in his exaltation sign. This happened in Shani's Moola Dasa, which lasted for exactly 14 years. 2) His wife was abducted as he was decieved by a Mayavi Rakshasa Visti: This is due to the curse of a Brahmin, which was caused by Ravana. Jupiter is in Lagna, aspected by Mars and Saturn, hence the curse. Shani lords the 7th house, and this is where the results of the curse are experienced, namely in the loss of wife. 3)He could not trust her character and asked her to go through the ordeal of fire 4) He asked his pregnant wife to be dropped off in a forest on the bassis of what a washerman said Visti: Shani's lordship of the 7th, caused alot of suffering to Sri Ramas marriage, and the washerman is indicated by Shani in 4th. 5) And lastly per a version of Uttara Kanda he along with Lakshmana commited Suicide(politely called as jalsamadhi) by jumping into river Sarayu to end his life. Visti: Arudha lagna is in Aries, and the 3rd therfrom is Gemini, with Ketu, showing death from falling from a tree or the likes, and this being by mistake. This is aspected by Venus, showing that another person was aware of his demise. I can't comment on the source of your text. As for the effects of Jupiter on his children i can agree, being that its Putra Karaka. For others scrutiny i've included the chart hereunder: Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:04 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Visti, I would attempt to put forward my views in as forthright a manner as I can. I only pray that some one does not misunderstand that I intend any disrespect to Prabhu Ramachandra.I appeal to all members of the group to view the below comments as a rational discussion on horoscope of an Individual and not that of Shri Ramaprabhu as there is still a lot of controversy about his correct horoscope. The reason I am saying this is that ,one, I am still a student of astrology and another reason is that I find a lot of discussions on the forums trying to link Mythological events with astrology to suit an argument.I am making my position clear so that no one thinks that I mean any disrespect to you. I am merely putting forward my views on your theory of a benefic only protecting the house he s psited in and as you have cited Ramachandra's Horoscope. We will not look at other yogas in his horoscope and deal with only what you have given as an example. Let Us take Prabhu Ramachandra's Horoscope that you have given as an example and analyse the effect of Jupiter in Ascendant in a dispassionate way. To me Jupiter's power of harming the house, that he is posited in, is pretty evident. Ascendant represents the entire personality of a person and could be said to represent his entire Life in a nutshell. Now if we see reactions of Prabhu Rama under stress , assuming that the Ramayana available to us is an authentic copy of what Sage Walmiki wrote;by no strech of imagination one can say that he led a contented life without sorrows. You find that that 1)The Purushottama had to abdicate his kingdom on orders of his father(Why should lord of 9th in ascendant do this? I know that Jupiter is also Lord of 6th but this should give him victory over enemies which he did) 2) His wife was abducted as he was decieved by a Mayavi Rakshasa 3)He could not trust her character and asked her to go through the ordeal of fire 4) He asked his pregnant wife to be dropped off in a forest on the bassis of what a washerman said 5) And lastly per a version of Uttara Kanda he along with Lakshmana commited Suicide(politely called as jalsamadhi) by jumping into river Sarayu to end his life. There are many other acts that he commited which he would never have, given the strength of his knowledge and character ; had (as you imply) Jupiter joining Moon (Karaka of Mind besides being Ascendant Lord) not harmed his Tanusthana. The reason of his Victory over not only Ravana but other Rakshasas and Kings is explained by presence of 6th lord in Ascendant. Also Jupiter being karaka of Progeny he should have had Putra sukha which he didnot. It is even said his sons left Ayodhya and established their Capital in Lahore(After Lava) And Kushan (after Kush) in what is today Pakistan. Surely if Jupiter was to give good results, being putrakaraka aspecting Putra sthana this should not have happened. I would like other Gurus to comment on my reasoning in a dispassionate way , not bringing religion and religious beliefs into what is only effects of Jupiter on the house in which he is posited. Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:08 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, I have heard the term "Jupiter harms the house it is placed in" many times, and everytime i find it misunderstood. Let me clarify. It is a common known fact, that Benefics will not harm others than themself, whilst Malefics will do the exact opposite. Hence Benefics are more inclined to hurt the house they OWN, whilst malefics will be less inclined todo so. This is why Jupiter in the 8th from its own sign, is a much feared placement in a chart, and can cause destruction on that relevant house. Take the case of Sri Ramas chart where Jupiter is in Cancer Lagna with Moon. The 6th house is Sag, who's lord is in the 8th from it in Lagna, showing how the very devoted Ravana (6th house) who was a great Shiva-worshipper and Jyotish, was destroyed by Sri Rama, due to Ravanas misdeeds. This is what i have learnt from my Gurus, please comment. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:38 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Nimmi, Planets in parivartan give results as if in their own house is related to their strengths.Hous ownership remains what it is. In your case as you know Jupiter harms(Bhrashta) the house in which he is situated. His being in 12th resulted in your shifting from your place and depriving you of bed pleasures( separation from husband). What we fail, probably, to understand is 12th house also sends a person away from his native lands. Now a days going abroad gives good monetary returns and we view it as a boon, but in ancient days having to leave one's country was viewed as a misfortune.Those displeasing the King used to be given punishment of being banished to other country. This is precisely why it is enjoined upon astrologers to take into account various factors operating at the time of prediction before ariving at any conclusion and to apply common sense. Jupiter being 10th lord your relocation occured in connection with job. Similarly when in 11th he was aspecting 7th (Bhava owned by him) which resulted in your getting married and also getting a job. About 11th house there is an exception to the rule as all planets in 11th give good results of that house. Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:34 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Chandrashekhar, When you say that the planet would give results as if in their own house during its dasa, does it mean that it would give the results of the house of ownership or would it give the results of the house of occupation? Correct me if I am wrong. I have understood dasa effects of a planet as giving effects in areas related to the houses owned the effects are determined by the house occupied. For example, I have Jupiter, ruling the 7th and the 10th in the 12th. In Jupiter dasa, Jupiter sub, I got married and also got my first job. Jupiter was in transit in the 11th aspecting the 7th, and then in the 12th aspecting the 6th. But then, I got a job/study opportunity overseas within 5 months (Jupiter in transit in the 12th) and had to be separated from my husband for a further 5 months. Jup in 12th is 3rd from 10th, 7th from 6th could explain why the job was an opportunity and in 6th from 7th why it involved marital separation. Nimmi - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 6:18 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Ananda, Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in their own house. The results would depend on their placements. In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination. Chandrashekhar. - N.Anand vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM [vedic astrology] Clarification sought I have few doubts to be clarified:1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga alwaysbenefic to the subject? What if it involves amaraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12?2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is inPunarvasu star?3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply forVirgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideasregards,N.AnandDo you ? Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, I was referring to the Jupiter Sloka. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:58 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Visti, I am sorry I thought you were referring to the Jupiter damaging the house.I now assume that you are refering to Prabhu Rama's Mother.There are more than one Ramayana written by various sages in India viz. Tulsi Ramayana, Valmiki Ramayana, kadamba Ramayana and so on, so unless you saturn is really biting I think it will be better to ask him not to do so. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Friday, January 17, 2003 12:38 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, My Shani in 11th is biting again... FIND ME ONE SCRIPTURAL SOURCE FOR THIS DICTUM AND I WILL ACCEPT IT. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:09 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Visti, I am glad you took to my post in the right spirit.This shows you are true seeker of knowledge.I wrote about the events , not to know about why they happened but to show how Jupiter created flaws in the whole personality as represented by the Tanu Sthana.This placement disturbed his sense of perspective. I mean that he one correct option to the detriment of other and ended up doing greater injustice in place of justice that he intended. Mark exalted Jupiter's association with Moon the Karaka of Mind in his own house.The Bhava was damaged which inturn damaged the results of Bhavadhipa. This is why I feel that the dictum that Jupiter damages(Bhrashta to be more percise) and saturn protects the Bhava in which he is placed appears to be correct.Also mark that exalted Saturn protected his mother's life. Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:07 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, Your referrence to the planets in Lagna showing the overall fortune in life, is very delighting, as it shows that you know the significance of finding the NADIAMSA, of the native. But whilst the Lagna in a certain Nadiamsa will have an effect on the overlife of a native, 1 graha will not, unless it is the Chara Atmakaraka. This is why i have advocated Shani as AK in Sri Ramas life, in previous discussions about his chart. As you said, he experienced alot of Sorrow, and this happened due to the Curse of Father, Brahmin, and Mother. Most of these curses were felt during Shani's Moola Dasa, which no doubt marred his life. Answers to the points you raised: 1)The Purushottama had to abdicate his kingdom on orders of his father(Why should lord of 9th in ascendant do this? I know that Jupiter is also Lord of 6th but this should give him victory over enemies which he did) Visti: Curse of father is caused by Saturn and Mars both aspecting Sun in the 10th house. And 10th house also shows the throne. Mars and Saturn also both aspect Lagna where the 9th lord Jupiter is posited, hence confirming the curse of Father. Hence father asked him to abdicate. Why did this happen? Moon is also in the Lagna, hence there is also Curse of Mother, and with Shani in the 4th, the stepmother laid the foundation for him leaving his home. Note that Shani is retrogade, in his exaltation sign. This happened in Shani's Moola Dasa, which lasted for exactly 14 years. 2) His wife was abducted as he was decieved by a Mayavi Rakshasa Visti: This is due to the curse of a Brahmin, which was caused by Ravana. Jupiter is in Lagna, aspected by Mars and Saturn, hence the curse. Shani lords the 7th house, and this is where the results of the curse are experienced, namely in the loss of wife. 3)He could not trust her character and asked her to go through the ordeal of fire 4) He asked his pregnant wife to be dropped off in a forest on the bassis of what a washerman said Visti: Shani's lordship of the 7th, caused alot of suffering to Sri Ramas marriage, and the washerman is indicated by Shani in 4th. 5) And lastly per a version of Uttara Kanda he along with Lakshmana commited Suicide(politely called as jalsamadhi) by jumping into river Sarayu to end his life. Visti: Arudha lagna is in Aries, and the 3rd therfrom is Gemini, with Ketu, showing death from falling from a tree or the likes, and this being by mistake. This is aspected by Venus, showing that another person was aware of his demise. I can't comment on the source of your text. As for the effects of Jupiter on his children i can agree, being that its Putra Karaka. For others scrutiny i've included the chart hereunder: Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:04 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Visti, I would attempt to put forward my views in as forthright a manner as I can. I only pray that some one does not misunderstand that I intend any disrespect to Prabhu Ramachandra.I appeal to all members of the group to view the below comments as a rational discussion on horoscope of an Individual and not that of Shri Ramaprabhu as there is still a lot of controversy about his correct horoscope. The reason I am saying this is that ,one, I am still a student of astrology and another reason is that I find a lot of discussions on the forums trying to link Mythological events with astrology to suit an argument.I am making my position clear so that no one thinks that I mean any disrespect to you. I am merely putting forward my views on your theory of a benefic only protecting the house he s psited in and as you have cited Ramachandra's Horoscope. We will not look at other yogas in his horoscope and deal with only what you have given as an example. Let Us take Prabhu Ramachandra's Horoscope that you have given as an example and analyse the effect of Jupiter in Ascendant in a dispassionate way. To me Jupiter's power of harming the house, that he is posited in, is pretty evident. Ascendant represents the entire personality of a person and could be said to represent his entire Life in a nutshell. Now if we see reactions of Prabhu Rama under stress , assuming that the Ramayana available to us is an authentic copy of what Sage Walmiki wrote;by no strech of imagination one can say that he led a contented life without sorrows. You find that that 1)The Purushottama had to abdicate his kingdom on orders of his father(Why should lord of 9th in ascendant do this? I know that Jupiter is also Lord of 6th but this should give him victory over enemies which he did) 2) His wife was abducted as he was decieved by a Mayavi Rakshasa 3)He could not trust her character and asked her to go through the ordeal of fire 4) He asked his pregnant wife to be dropped off in a forest on the bassis of what a washerman said 5) And lastly per a version of Uttara Kanda he along with Lakshmana commited Suicide(politely called as jalsamadhi) by jumping into river Sarayu to end his life. There are many other acts that he commited which he would never have, given the strength of his knowledge and character ; had (as you imply) Jupiter joining Moon (Karaka of Mind besides being Ascendant Lord) not harmed his Tanusthana. The reason of his Victory over not only Ravana but other Rakshasas and Kings is explained by presence of 6th lord in Ascendant. Also Jupiter being karaka of Progeny he should have had Putra sukha which he didnot. It is even said his sons left Ayodhya and established their Capital in Lahore(After Lava) And Kushan (after Kush) in what is today Pakistan. Surely if Jupiter was to give good results, being putrakaraka aspecting Putra sthana this should not have happened. I would like other Gurus to comment on my reasoning in a dispassionate way , not bringing religion and religious beliefs into what is only effects of Jupiter on the house in which he is posited. Chandrashekhar. - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:08 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrashekhar, I have heard the term "Jupiter harms the house it is placed in" many times, and everytime i find it misunderstood. Let me clarify. It is a common known fact, that Benefics will not harm others than themself, whilst Malefics will do the exact opposite. Hence Benefics are more inclined to hurt the house they OWN, whilst malefics will be less inclined todo so. This is why Jupiter in the 8th from its own sign, is a much feared placement in a chart, and can cause destruction on that relevant house. Take the case of Sri Ramas chart where Jupiter is in Cancer Lagna with Moon. The 6th house is Sag, who's lord is in the 8th from it in Lagna, showing how the very devoted Ravana (6th house) who was a great Shiva-worshipper and Jyotish, was destroyed by Sri Rama, due to Ravanas misdeeds. This is what i have learnt from my Gurus, please comment. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:38 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Nimmi, Planets in parivartan give results as if in their own house is related to their strengths.Hous ownership remains what it is. In your case as you know Jupiter harms(Bhrashta) the house in which he is situated. His being in 12th resulted in your shifting from your place and depriving you of bed pleasures( separation from husband). What we fail, probably, to understand is 12th house also sends a person away from his native lands. Now a days going abroad gives good monetary returns and we view it as a boon, but in ancient days having to leave one's country was viewed as a misfortune.Those displeasing the King used to be given punishment of being banished to other country. This is precisely why it is enjoined upon astrologers to take into account various factors operating at the time of prediction before ariving at any conclusion and to apply common sense. Jupiter being 10th lord your relocation occured in connection with job. Similarly when in 11th he was aspecting 7th (Bhava owned by him) which resulted in your getting married and also getting a job. About 11th house there is an exception to the rule as all planets in 11th give good results of that house. Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:34 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Chandrashekhar, When you say that the planet would give results as if in their own house during its dasa, does it mean that it would give the results of the house of ownership or would it give the results of the house of occupation? Correct me if I am wrong. I have understood dasa effects of a planet as giving effects in areas related to the houses owned the effects are determined by the house occupied. For example, I have Jupiter, ruling the 7th and the 10th in the 12th. In Jupiter dasa, Jupiter sub, I got married and also got my first job. Jupiter was in transit in the 11th aspecting the 7th, and then in the 12th aspecting the 6th. But then, I got a job/study opportunity overseas within 5 months (Jupiter in transit in the 12th) and had to be separated from my husband for a further 5 months. Jup in 12th is 3rd from 10th, 7th from 6th could explain why the job was an opportunity and in 6th from 7th why it involved marital separation. Nimmi - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 6:18 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification sought Dear Ananda, Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in their own house. The results would depend on their placements. In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination. Chandrashekhar. - N.Anand vedic astrology Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM [vedic astrology] Clarification sought I have few doubts to be clarified:1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga alwaysbenefic to the subject? 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Hi, Earlier in the list Chandrashekhar clarified that parivartana affects the strength of a planet in giving its results, with the strength being equal situation in own sign. The concept discussed here, such as Dainya yoga, seems to go against this concept somewhat as it discriminates between parivartana involving different houses. (I have come across dainya yoga before and should have raised it earlier). Chandrashekhar, would you care to clarify this? I am sure there is some aspect that is being missed here. Also, this email raises another question: For planets with dual ownership, does this imply the effects of the house that is involved in the exchange, or both houses owned by that planet. Or does it deepen the effects of both houses? To summarise my understanding of parivartana at the current point of discussions: - parivartana gives planets the strength of being in own house. ie. they are comfortable and confident. - the planets involved will cooperate in giving each other's results. In this way there may be mixed effects during dasa that is not indicated by rulership. However, I am not sure how this differs from the placement of nth lord in mth house since the link between the two houses would indicate that the effects of both are combined during the dasa of that planet. Perhaps it makes the results more probable/definite. - The exchange with unfortunate houses, damages the results of a house. e.g. exchange of 10th and 12th gives career that forces move to distant places. However, again, how this differs from the simple placement of one ruler in the other house is my question As an example, I am a gemini ascendant with 11th ruler in 12th house and 12th lord in 11th. I am almost 50 and had dasa of 11th lord at birth. Dasa of 12th lord is yet to come but I have had long subperiods. Now, I do have a lot of friends from overseas. I am also often separated from these same friends. My friends from my birth place have also all left and are overseas. I have regained contact with a large number of them after many years of separation. So - I have friends with whom I lost touch (11th ruler in 12th). I get back in contact with most of them after long gaps, in foreign countries - i.e. the loss is regained via the 12th house. Is this a valid way of looking at the cooperation between the two houses? This has been a significant pattern. Now, if we look at venus as 5th ruler, it sits in the 11th and aspects the 5th so this should advance progeny. However, I had a number of miscarriages when I was young. Here this could be attributed to 12th house rulership of venus. However, the exchange between the venus and mars could have augmented this 12th house effect. As it is also the 6th house, each incident involved considerable illhealth and inevitable association with hospitals. The 11th house effect was to actually create the pregnancy that was then lost. So perhaps we can argue for a 4 way involvement. The surgical intervention required also makes me think that the parivartana does also bring in the effects of the other planet. Regards, Nimmi - <soundar_krishna <vedic astrology> Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:44 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Clarification sought > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > Anand: > > there are 3 types of parivarthana yogas > > 1. Dainya Yoga- when lord of 6 8 12 (dusthanas) are involved. > This is not a favorable yoga > > 2. Kahala Yoga - when one of the planets involved is lord of 3rd. > The other planet involved should not be lord of 6 8 12. Since 3rd > is house of energy and strength. This yoga would imply that the > native would invest a lot of energy into improving his lot. > > 3. Maha Yoga - exchange involving 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11. This is a > benefic yoga. > > vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" > <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Ananda, > > Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in > their own house. The results would depend on their placements. > > In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter > is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. > > I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not > Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable > in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as > Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination. > > Chandrashekhar. > > - > > N.Anand > > vedic astrology > > Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM > > [vedic astrology] Clarification sought > > > > > > I have few doubts to be clarified: > > > > 1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga always > > benefic to the subject? What if it involves a > > maraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12? > > > > 2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is in > > Punarvasu star? > > > > 3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply for > > Virgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? > > > > Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideas > > regards, > > N.Anand > > > > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus. > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Dear Group There are on an average 40 mails every Day. This shows that the group is very active. However, if one is not able to see the mail every day, one's mail box will overflow. The letters get inflated in size every time a member replies, even a thank you, adds to the size of the communication, because the original is reproduced, extensio in the reply. Thus one letter gets repeated oer and over again. May one request the members to be considerate, and REPLY PERSONAL QUESTIONS ONLY TO THE PERSON CONCERNED, Unless they feel, the principles involved would benefit all members of the group. Please set your Mail preference to include only 200 lines of the original, so that the growth of the communication is restricted THANKS --- Visti Larsen <vishnu wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > > -- > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Dear Nimmi, The exchange of house by lords of Dusthana gives rise to Vipareeta Raja Yoga. Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Friday, January 17, 2003 12:21 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Clarification sought Hi,Earlier in the list Chandrashekhar clarified that parivartana affects thestrength of a planet in giving its results, with the strength being equalsituation in own sign. The concept discussed here, such as Dainya yoga,seems to go against this concept somewhat as it discriminates betweenparivartana involving different houses. (I have come across dainya yogabefore and should have raised it earlier). Chandrashekhar, would you care toclarify this? I am sure there is some aspect that is being missed here.Also, this email raises another question:For planets with dual ownership, does this imply the effects of the housethat is involved in the exchange, or both houses owned by that planet. Ordoes it deepen the effects of both houses?To summarise my understanding of parivartana at the current point ofdiscussions:- parivartana gives planets the strength of being in own house. ie. they arecomfortable and confident.- the planets involved will cooperate in giving each other's results. Inthis way there may be mixed effects during dasa that is not indicated byrulership. However, I am not sure how this differs from the placement of nthlord in mth house since the link between the two houses would indicate thatthe effects of both are combined during the dasa of that planet. Perhaps itmakes the results more probable/definite.- The exchange with unfortunate houses, damages the results of a house.e.g. exchange of 10th and 12th gives career that forces move to distantplaces. However, again, how this differs from the simple placement of oneruler in the other house is my questionAs an example, I am a gemini ascendant with 11th ruler in 12th house and12th lord in 11th. I am almost 50 and had dasa of 11th lord at birth. Dasaof 12th lord is yet to come but I have had long subperiods.Now, I do have a lot of friends from overseas. I am also often separatedfrom these same friends. My friends from my birth place have also all leftand are overseas. I have regained contact with a large number of them aftermany years of separation. So - I have friends with whom I lost touch (11thruler in 12th). I get back in contact with most of them after long gaps, inforeign countries - i.e. the loss is regained via the 12th house. Is this avalid way of looking at the cooperation between the two houses? This hasbeen a significant pattern.Now, if we look at venus as 5th ruler, it sits in the 11th and aspects the5th so this should advance progeny. However, I had a number of miscarriageswhen I was young. Here this could be attributed to 12th house rulership ofvenus. However, the exchange between the venus and mars could have augmentedthis 12th house effect. As it is also the 6th house, each incident involvedconsiderable illhealth and inevitable association with hospitals. The 11thhouse effect was to actually create the pregnancy that was then lost. Soperhaps we can argue for a 4 way involvement. The surgical interventionrequired also makes me think that the parivartana does also bring in theeffects of the other planet.Regards,Nimmi----- Original Message -----<soundar_krishna (AT) syntelinc (DOT) com>To: <vedic astrology>Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:44 PM[vedic astrology] Re: Clarification sought>> Hare Rama Krishna>>> Anand:>> there are 3 types of parivarthana yogas>> 1. Dainya Yoga- when lord of 6 8 12 (dusthanas) are involved.> This is not a favorable yoga>> 2. Kahala Yoga - when one of the planets involved is lord of 3rd.> The other planet involved should not be lord of 6 8 12. Since 3rd> is house of energy and strength. This yoga would imply that the> native would invest a lot of energy into improving his lot.>> 3. Maha Yoga - exchange involving 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11. This is a> benefic yoga.>> vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar"> <boxdel> wrote:> > Dear Ananda,> > Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in> their own house. The results would depend on their placements.> > In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter> is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha.> > I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not> Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable> in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as> Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination.> > Chandrashekhar.> > ----- Original Message -----> > N.Anand> > vedic astrology> > Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM> > [vedic astrology] Clarification sought> >> >> > I have few doubts to be clarified:> >> > 1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga always> > benefic to the subject? What if it involves a> > maraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12?> >> > 2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is in> > Punarvasu star?> >> > 3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply for> > Virgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1?> >> > Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideas> > regards,> > N.Anand> >> > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.> > http://mailplus.> >> > Archives: vedic astrology> >> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > >> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> >> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||> >> > Your use of is subject to the Terms of> Service.>>> Archives: vedic astrology>> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->> ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Dear Nimmi and others: I am not surprised at the sentiments you have articulated in your writing below. most of the time it adds to more confusion rather than clarification. My sense in all this is as follows: one of the reason, atleast in my opinion, is that majority of the practioners have not yet agreed upon what the "basic framework" ought to be. Each of the discussant/writer tend to quote from his/her own source and they dont even agree what the original source suppose to mean. let me just quote from the today's letter from shri PVR: ""However, he (refering to Parasara) also defined the "inherent functional nature" before defining ascendant-based functional nature and used the same terms with respect to a fixed assignment to planets (subha, madhyama, udaasina and paapa).So the waters are a little muddy with the words "subha" and "paapa". When these are used in BPHS stanzas, they could mean functional benefics and functional malefics OR natural benefics and natural malefics. We can only speculate"" (emphasis is mine). Once we enter in the realm of speculation even about what the fundamental are, we are always going to go around in circles. I am not trying to pick upon PVR . he is very learned person and i do like many of his writings. But one can see where this kind of discussion is going to land lot of learners as well as even people who are serious investigators with lots of confuion. Let me give you an example which i use in my class discussion: What is the relationship between income and happiness? I can speculate whether the relationship is positive/negative and i can speculate about the strength of the relationship and whether there is increasing happiness with increasing income and does it depend on country/ income groups. In all these cases, i ask my student to speculate and develop an hypothesis to test the relationship at various stage. But they need to define in clear terms what they mean by income and happiness and how they are going to measure these two terms. It is only through that process i develop a Theory. This process is never adhered to in our email discussions and that is why most of the time, we tend to move away from original question and we are left with unsatisfactory explanations why certain events occurred/or about to take place. My feeling is that we need to agree upon certain basic framework and definitions for our discussions and analysis and proceed on that basis. either we all agree that a planet is benefic/malific due to its inherent nature or we say benefic/malific according to one' ascendent. Let us not add the third element "depending upon the circumstances" May be there are instances, our framework may not be able to expalin every phenomena but atleast in overwhelming cases,we should be able to explain meaningfully. I thought i wanted to make it clear that you are not alone if you feel sometimes even the simple queries leads to more confusion. with regards rangarajan At 02:51 PM 1/18/03 +0000, you wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, That would be true if two lords of Dusthana exchanged. However, if for e.g. 9th and 6th lords exchange, that then comes under Dainya yoga as I understand it. The association with 6th lord, spoils the 9th lord as the 9th lord then takes on some of the functions of the 6th lord.. But if they just both acquire strength to do their own thing, then my understanding is wrong. Sorry to be slow dim, the more I think about these things, the more confused I get. Sometimes even the simplest inquiry in jyotish feels like it leads to a minefield! Regards, Nimmi - Chandrashekhar To: vedic astrology Friday, January 17, 2003 6:30 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Clarification sought Dear Nimmi, The exchange of house by lords of Dusthana gives rise to Vipareeta Raja Yoga. Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan To: vedic astrology Friday, January 17, 2003 12:21 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Clarification sought Hi, Earlier in the list Chandrashekhar clarified that parivartana affects the strength of a planet in giving its results, with the strength being equal situation in own sign. The concept discussed here, such as Dainya yoga, seems to go against this concept somewhat as it discriminates between parivartana involving different houses. (I have come across dainya yoga before and should have raised it earlier). Chandrashekhar, would you care to clarify this? I am sure there is some aspect that is being missed here. Also, this email raises another question: For planets with dual ownership, does this imply the effects of the house that is involved in the exchange, or both houses owned by that planet. Or does it deepen the effects of both houses? To summarise my understanding of parivartana at the current point of discussions: - parivartana gives planets the strength of being in own house. ie. they are comfortable and confident. - the planets involved will cooperate in giving each other's results. In this way there may be mixed effects during dasa that is not indicated by rulership. However, I am not sure how this differs from the placement of nth lord in mth house since the link between the two houses would indicate that the effects of both are combined during the dasa of that planet. Perhaps it makes the results more probable/definite. - The exchange with unfortunate houses, damages the results of a house. e.g. exchange of 10th and 12th gives career that forces move to distant places. However, again, how this differs from the simple placement of one ruler in the other house is my question As an example, I am a gemini ascendant with 11th ruler in 12th house and 12th lord in 11th. I am almost 50 and had dasa of 11th lord at birth. Dasa of 12th lord is yet to come but I have had long subperiods. Now, I do have a lot of friends from overseas. I am also often separated from these same friends. My friends from my birth place have also all left and are overseas. I have regained contact with a large number of them after many years of separation. So - I have friends with whom I lost touch (11th ruler in 12th). I get back in contact with most of them after long gaps, in foreign countries - i.e. the loss is regained via the 12th house. Is this a valid way of looking at the cooperation between the two houses? This has been a significant pattern. Now, if we look at venus as 5th ruler, it sits in the 11th and aspects the 5th so this should advance progeny. However, I had a number of miscarriages when I was young. Here this could be attributed to 12th house rulership of venus. However, the exchange between the venus and mars could have augmented this 12th house effect. As it is also the 6th house, each incident involved considerable illhealth and inevitable association with hospitals. The 11th house effect was to actually create the pregnancy that was then lost. So perhaps we can argue for a 4 way involvement. The surgical intervention required also makes me think that the parivartana does also bring in the effects of the other planet. Regards, Nimmi - <soundar_krishna (AT) syntelinc (DOT) com> <vedic astrology> Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:44 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Clarification sought > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > Anand: > > there are 3 types of parivarthana yogas > > 1. Dainya Yoga- when lord of 6 8 12 (dusthanas) are involved. > This is not a favorable yoga > > 2. Kahala Yoga - when one of the planets involved is lord of 3rd. > The other planet involved should not be lord of 6 8 12. Since 3rd > is house of energy and strength. This yoga would imply that the > native would invest a lot of energy into improving his lot. > > 3. Maha Yoga - exchange involving 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11. This is a > benefic yoga. > > vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" > <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Ananda, > > Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in > their own house. The results would depend on their placements. > > In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter > is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha. > > I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not > Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable > in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as > Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination. > > Chandrashekhar. > > - > > N.Anand > > vedic astrology > > Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM > > [vedic astrology] Clarification sought > > > > > > I have few doubts to be clarified: > > > > 1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga always > > benefic to the subject? What if it involves a > > maraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12? > > > > 2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is in > > Punarvasu star? > > > > 3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply for > > Virgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1? > > > > Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideas > > regards, > > N.Anand > > > > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus. > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Dear Members, Namaskar Well I think this topic was discussed once long time back. I know this is so frustrating for everyone including myself. May be a well acknowledged framework will come sometime in future. Here's what I know (or rather say what I have gathered based on Shri B .V. Raman's books.. my appologies if most people already know all these things): 1. Natural Benfics and Natural malefics become Functional Malefics and Functional Benefics, when they become owners of Kendras. That does not mean that natural malefics will become completely benefic. It just means that they become benefic for the houses owned or influenced strongly by them otherwise they retain their maleficience in all other matters related to their natural tendencies and hence remain malefic for all other matters. Influence and functional benefic nature also depends upon the strength of the planet involved i.e., it should not be debilitated, combust or close to Rashi-sandhi and not in conjnction with other functional malefics etc., Also the benefic effects of such functional benefics will come during their antardasas/pratyantardasas only and even then their effects will just support the houses(in a benefic way) owned by them (assuming they are strong and placed in favourable signs), but if weak and /or placed in 3rd/6th/8th/12th houses then there will not be much benefic effects and these functional benefics will behave as natural malefics only (or very feeble benfic and mostly malefic only). 2. Natural benefics become functional malefics when they own kendras...they are malefic with respect to the houses owned by them or strongly influenced by them. That does not mean that they will loose all their beneficience. They will still retain their general benefic nature for all other houses and matters controlled by them. However if they are weak i.e, placed in debiliated signs, placed close to Rashi Sandhi , combust, in conjnction with lords of 6th/8th/12th houses and/or placed in 3rd/6th/8th/12th houses, then they will loose even that general beneficience also and become even more malefic and more painful during their periods. 3. Natural Benefics and Natural malefics become functional benefics when they become lords of trikonas(ist, 5th and 9th houses). This is assuming they are not afflicted, weak as given above in step#2. Also natural malefics will retain some of their natural maleficience, but will mostly be benefic for the houses owned by them, as explanied above in step#1. 4. The Lords of Dusthsthanas -3rd,6th, 8th and 12th are generally malefic and any planet placed in these houses becomes malefic or losses its inherent strength and become painful during its dasa/antardasa/pratyantardasa. When afflicted or weak then these lords give even more pain during their periods. 5. Now who are really benefic : Natural benefics are benefic, when they own trikona houses or when they are devoid of Kendra-Adhipati dosha(when they are functional malefics being lords of kendras but if they occupy the house owned by them in kendra, then their is no dosha and the native flourishes). Natural malefics when they become functional benefics, provided they do not own those kendras, owne dby them and are not afflicted etc., Natural malefics become benefics when they are placed strongly in trikona houses owned by them or are placed stringly in other houses. Also please note that whenever natural malefics become functional benefics, they mostly support materialism only (they do not support materialism when afflicted, cause financial losses and force one to go in the direction of painful spiritualism at the cost of materialistic failures) 6. If still nothing is clear, then please also see if strong Mahapurusha yogas, strong VRYs, strong NeechBhanga yogas exist etc ., and hopefully most cases are covered by these defnitions... when lot of planets are afflcted then lords of 3rd, 6th and 11th houses can create avenues of materialistic achievements depending upon one's karma since these houses are under our control to a limited extent(after all we have to execute our karma also in any case..since all these fucntional benefics etc are useless, unless and until you execute your karma i.e., say you are to drive a car on highway then astrological combinations are just stops on the highway as the car(one's life) moves forward. if we do no drive the car, then the planets hardly do anything upto desired expectations and force us on their routes forcefully and we will surely land in all types of malefic periods(ditches) in helpless manner, if have we done nothing worth mentioning in benefic periods(just an analogy only ))...that's my humble understanding so far...hope it helps some one. Regards Rajesh Kumaria vedic astrology, rangarajan <b.rangarajan@p...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar, That would be true if two lords of Dusthana exchanged. However, if for e.g. 9th and 6th lords exchange, that then comes under Dainya yoga as I understand it. The association with 6th lord, spoils the 9th lord as the 9th lord then takes on some of the functions of the 6th lord.. But if they just both acquire strength to do their own thing, then my understanding is wrong. Sorry to be slow dim, the more I think about these things, the more confused I get. Sometimes even the simplest inquiry in jyotish feels like it leads to a minefield! Regards, Nimmi - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Friday, January 17, 2003 6:30 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Clarification sought Dear Nimmi, The exchange of house by lords of Dusthana gives rise to Vipareeta Raja Yoga. Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Friday, January 17, 2003 12:21 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Clarification sought Hi,Earlier in the list Chandrashekhar clarified that parivartana affects thestrength of a planet in giving its results, with the strength being equalsituation in own sign. The concept discussed here, such as Dainya yoga,seems to go against this concept somewhat as it discriminates betweenparivartana involving different houses. (I have come across dainya yogabefore and should have raised it earlier). Chandrashekhar, would you care toclarify this? I am sure there is some aspect that is being missed here.Also, this email raises another question:For planets with dual ownership, does this imply the effects of the housethat is involved in the exchange, or both houses owned by that planet. Ordoes it deepen the effects of both houses?To summarise my understanding of parivartana at the current point ofdiscussions:- parivartana gives planets the strength of being in own house. ie. they arecomfortable and confident.- the planets involved will cooperate in giving each other's results. Inthis way there may be mixed effects during dasa that is not indicated byrulership. However, I am not sure how this differs from the placement of nthlord in mth house since the link between the two houses would indicate thatthe effects of both are combined during the dasa of that planet. Perhaps itmakes the results more probable/definite.- The exchange with unfortunate houses, damages the results of a house.e.g. exchange of 10th and 12th gives career that forces move to distantplaces. However, again, how this differs from the simple placement of oneruler in the other house is my questionAs an example, I am a gemini ascendant with 11th ruler in 12th house and12th lord in 11th. I am almost 50 and had dasa of 11th lord at birth. Dasaof 12th lord is yet to come but I have had long subperiods.Now, I do have a lot of friends from overseas. I am also often separatedfrom these same friends. My friends from my birth place have also all leftand are overseas. I have regained contact with a large number of them aftermany years of separation. So - I have friends with whom I lost touch (11thruler in 12th). I get back in contact with most of them after long gaps, inforeign countries - i.e. the loss is regained via the 12th house. Is this avalid way of looking at the cooperation between the two houses? This hasbeen a significant pattern.Now, if we look at venus as 5th ruler, it sits in the 11th and aspects the5th so this should advance progeny. However, I had a number of miscarriageswhen I was young. Here this could be attributed to 12th house rulership ofvenus. However, the exchange between the venus and mars could have augmentedthis 12th house effect. As it is also the 6th house, each incident involvedconsiderable illhealth and inevitable association with hospitals. The 11thhouse effect was to actually create the pregnancy that was then lost. Soperhaps we can argue for a 4 way involvement. The surgical interventionrequired also makes me think that the parivartana does also bring in theeffects of the other planet.Regards,Nimmi----- Original Message -----<soundar_krishna (AT) syntelinc (DOT) com>To: <vedic astrology>Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:44 PM[vedic astrology] Re: Clarification sought>> Hare Rama Krishna>>> Anand:>> there are 3 types of parivarthana yogas>> 1. Dainya Yoga- when lord of 6 8 12 (dusthanas) are involved.> This is not a favorable yoga>> 2. Kahala Yoga - when one of the planets involved is lord of 3rd.> The other planet involved should not be lord of 6 8 12. Since 3rd> is house of energy and strength. This yoga would imply that the> native would invest a lot of energy into improving his lot.>> 3. Maha Yoga - exchange involving 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11. This is a> benefic yoga.>> vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar"> <boxdel> wrote:> > Dear Ananda,> > Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in> their own house. The results would depend on their placements.> > In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter> is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha.> > I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not> Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable> in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as> Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination.> > Chandrashekhar.> > ----- Original Message -----> > N.Anand> > vedic astrology> > Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM> > [vedic astrology] Clarification sought> >> >> > I have few doubts to be clarified:> >> > 1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga always> > benefic to the subject? What if it involves a> > maraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12?> >> > 2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is in> > Punarvasu star?> >> > 3. What does the parivarthana of 1 and 12 imply for> > Virgo(Kanya) lagna with Sat in 12 and Rahu in 1?> >> > Gurus, Kindly pour in your comments/ideas> > regards,> > N.Anand> >> > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.> > http://mailplus.> >> > Archives: vedic astrology> >> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > >> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> >> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||> >> > Your use of is subject to the Terms of> Service.>>> Archives: vedic astrology>> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->> ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 Dear Nimmi, My original post is in response to mail of Anand and reply to it by Soundar Krishna.What was being reffered by them was exchange of houses by lords of 6th,8th and 12th houses. I have never said that exchange of house between lord of 6th and 9th causes Vipareeta Raj yoga. Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:21 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Clarification sought Dear Chandrashekhar, That would be true if two lords of Dusthana exchanged. However, if for e.g. 9th and 6th lords exchange, that then comes under Dainya yoga as I understand it. The association with 6th lord, spoils the 9th lord as the 9th lord then takes on some of the functions of the 6th lord.. But if they just both acquire strength to do their own thing, then my understanding is wrong. Sorry to be slow dim, the more I think about these things, the more confused I get. Sometimes even the simplest inquiry in jyotish feels like it leads to a minefield! Regards, Nimmi - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Friday, January 17, 2003 6:30 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Clarification sought Dear Nimmi, The exchange of house by lords of Dusthana gives rise to Vipareeta Raja Yoga. Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Friday, January 17, 2003 12:21 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Clarification sought Hi,Earlier in the list Chandrashekhar clarified that parivartana affects thestrength of a planet in giving its results, with the strength being equalsituation in own sign. The concept discussed here, such as Dainya yoga,seems to go against this concept somewhat as it discriminates betweenparivartana involving different houses. (I have come across dainya yogabefore and should have raised it earlier). Chandrashekhar, would you care toclarify this? I am sure there is some aspect that is being missed here.Also, this email raises another question:For planets with dual ownership, does this imply the effects of the housethat is involved in the exchange, or both houses owned by that planet. Ordoes it deepen the effects of both houses?To summarise my understanding of parivartana at the current point ofdiscussions:- parivartana gives planets the strength of being in own house. ie. they arecomfortable and confident.- the planets involved will cooperate in giving each other's results. Inthis way there may be mixed effects during dasa that is not indicated byrulership. However, I am not sure how this differs from the placement of nthlord in mth house since the link between the two houses would indicate thatthe effects of both are combined during the dasa of that planet. Perhaps itmakes the results more probable/definite.- The exchange with unfortunate houses, damages the results of a house.e.g. exchange of 10th and 12th gives career that forces move to distantplaces. However, again, how this differs from the simple placement of oneruler in the other house is my questionAs an example, I am a gemini ascendant with 11th ruler in 12th house and12th lord in 11th. I am almost 50 and had dasa of 11th lord at birth. Dasaof 12th lord is yet to come but I have had long subperiods.Now, I do have a lot of friends from overseas. I am also often separatedfrom these same friends. My friends from my birth place have also all leftand are overseas. I have regained contact with a large number of them aftermany years of separation. So - I have friends with whom I lost touch (11thruler in 12th). I get back in contact with most of them after long gaps, inforeign countries - i.e. the loss is regained via the 12th house. Is this avalid way of looking at the cooperation between the two houses? This hasbeen a significant pattern.Now, if we look at venus as 5th ruler, it sits in the 11th and aspects the5th so this should advance progeny. However, I had a number of miscarriageswhen I was young. Here this could be attributed to 12th house rulership ofvenus. However, the exchange between the venus and mars could have augmentedthis 12th house effect. As it is also the 6th house, each incident involvedconsiderable illhealth and inevitable association with hospitals. The 11thhouse effect was to actually create the pregnancy that was then lost. Soperhaps we can argue for a 4 way involvement. The surgical interventionrequired also makes me think that the parivartana does also bring in theeffects of the other planet.Regards,Nimmi----- Original Message -----<soundar_krishna (AT) syntelinc (DOT) com>To: <vedic astrology>Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:44 PM[vedic astrology] Re: Clarification sought>> Hare Rama Krishna>>> Anand:>> there are 3 types of parivarthana yogas>> 1. Dainya Yoga- when lord of 6 8 12 (dusthanas) are involved.> This is not a favorable yoga>> 2. Kahala Yoga - when one of the planets involved is lord of 3rd.> The other planet involved should not be lord of 6 8 12. Since 3rd> is house of energy and strength. This yoga would imply that the> native would invest a lot of energy into improving his lot.>> 3. Maha Yoga - exchange involving 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11. This is a> benefic yoga.>> vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar"> <boxdel> wrote:> > Dear Ananda,> > Planets in parivartana i.e.Anyonashrit Yoga give results as if in> their own house. The results would depend on their placements.> > In degrees(5 degrees) denoted by the Param Uccha Position Jupiter> is Parmoccha and for rest of the degrees Uccha.> > I personally think that parivartana is between Grahas and not> Chayagrahas, therefore it (Parivartan yoga) would not be applicable> in example given by you.Some astrologers do recognise this change as> Parivartan and may like to throw light on this combination.> > Chandrashekhar.> > ----- Original Message -----> > N.Anand> > vedic astrology> > Monday, January 13, 2003 4:15 PM> > [vedic astrology] Clarification sought> >> >> > I have few doubts to be clarified:> >> > 1. Is the planet involved in Parivarthana yoga always> > benefic to the subject? What if it involves a> > maraka(death) planet or lords of 6,8,12?> >> > 2. Is Jupiter exhalted in Cancer only if it is in> > Punarvasu star?> >> > 3. 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