Rahu and Osho - his chart attached

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Dear Mr. Siva,

 

I am attaching Osho's chart, I am not sure if it is his chart, but the source is very relaible.

 

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Sunil John

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Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:35 AM

[vedic astrology] Rahu and Osho & Sankrit grammer (Reply to Dr. Chaudhary's post).

Dear Dr. Chaudharyji, Regarding Rahu, I think even the classics attribute Rahu

to breaking away from conventional path. I have Rahu in trines to navams lagna,

and unless I am fully convinced, I dont agree to what tradition holds - this is

not arrogance, but just an inborn characteristic. In most cases, I have my own

interpretation as per my understanding and realization. Chart of Osho

(Rajneesh) might be an excellent candidate to study effect of Rahu. I am fully

convinced that Rahu will hold the key in his chart. Does anyone have his

chart?A digression to Sanksrit grammer:I am formulating a theory on links

between Tamil and Tantra. I need to get a doubt cleared about Sanksrit grammer.

Ancient tamil grammer works give 100% scientific, rigid rules regarding

pronounciation of a character. The rules mention specifics such as when and how

the tongue must bend, when and how the lips open/close, etc and the smallest

time interval given for measurements is blinking of an eye. I know sankrit has

strong pronounciation rules, but does it have such exact definitions for each

character? Please clarify.Thanks,-Siva.vedic astrology,

"Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary <satyaprakasika>" <satyaprakasika>

wrote:> > Aum Namah Shivaya> > Dear Sarbani ji,> > Nice thoughts. It is

probably impossible to tell which is original or > atleast which came first.

Veda or the regional texts? By regional I > assume you mean the entire body of

literature that now goes by the > name Tantra. While most agamas and tantras

have been written in > periods that are relatively recent, some atleast in

their seed form > as ideas and concepts have their nebulous beginnings in

pre-historic > times. The Tantra as old as the Veda, if not older! I know some

may > find it hard to even consider. But each day convinces me more of how >

ancient this Tantra is. And how universal it is. It seems to have > been spread

out through out the world, of course in its nebulous > beginnings. It is

embedded deep within the psyche of man. I will > leave it there. Since you

referred to Jacques Derrida, I assume that > you are familiar with his ideas.

JD (Jacques Derrida) is to > Linguistics what JK was to spirituality, rather

philosophy in the > modern times. Wonder if you have JD's birth details by any

chance. I > suspect that Rahu and Mars, especially Rahu has a major role in his

> chart. Rahu is often misunderstood as the chandala, the one who > corrupts

things, as anti- to Jupiter. But a deeper study of many > charts only convinces

me that all grahas have their higher side, the > spiritual. From that

perspective, in some charts, Rahu can be mind > boggling. Rahu does not only

corrupt or spoil Jupiter, he CHECKS > Jupiter. Yes Rahu can be the chandala

that is seen as against > tradition. But he is also the one who knocks us when

tradition > becomes BINDING! See JK's chart. While Jupiter is more about the so

> called 'pure' Vedic path, Rahu is more Tantric in his workings. If > you know

anything about Vasishta Ganapati Muni's life (he was a great > poet, tapaswi,

vedic as well as tantric scholar, a man who was held > in esteem by Ramana

Maharshi, a free- thinker, an intellectual > giant .... It is well known that

he had actually attained KAPALA > BHEDA and it seems people actually heard the

cracking of the skull > (actually the fontenelles I believe) and saw this smoky

light > emanating from the top of his head for a few days after this. He had >

GURU-CHANDALA YOGA in his 12th house if I remember correctly. And all > this

happened during RAHU'S PERIOD! > > Well my point is that while it is true that

Rahu can be corrupting in > his influence, a much neglected side (I am yet to

read a single > modern author writing anything on this side)of Rahu is that he

also > could be about DEMOLISHING BELIEFS , STRUCTURES, THE PAST >

CONDITIONING, etc in a way that can actually be spiritually > liberating. But

since a majority do not see this side open in their > charts, and also because

most people get frightened by this > demolishing of the past beliefs and

structures if one is not prepared > or insecure internally, they just sperak of

his negative side. All > energy is neutral in itself. It cannot be good or bad.

It is how we > harness it that the good and bad manifests. Sorry the diversion.

But > speaking of Derrida reminds of JK, AND JK reminds me of Rahu, Rahu of >

Ganapati muni, and so on. I see only Chamundi's energy here, nothing > less.

Rahu brings the sound of Her BELLS and CONCHES and war HORNS as > the battle to

demolish all falsehood starts. The nodes need a fresh > look. > > > Regards,>

Satya> > > -- In vedic astrology, "Sarabani Sarkar" >

<sarbani@s...> wrote:> > Dear Narasimha and others,> > > > Some thoughts:> >

The question that arose in my mind was that since almost all written> >

documentation irrespective of the publisher, the text or the year of> >

publication, seem to write 'namo' separately, and if we go by as > you are> >

saying that its a Kali yuga distortion, then it would be > interesting to know>

> precisely when this distortion took place. Usually language > distortions> >

first take place in the oral tradition (through pronunciation > glitches) and>

> only much later in the written tradition. Of course once > introduced, texts>

> 'alter' over generations in the hands of translators, editors and> >

publishers. In fact 'reading' texts itself is a major field in > linguistic> >

philosophy as championed by Jacques Derrida among others. So > linguists hold>

> that there is nothing called a 'real' or 'original' text anymore. > Each

text> > has layers of sub-texts and the task of unravelling the original > text

itself> > is a separate discipline by itself. In the case of Hinduism, > written

texts> > are complemented by the living tradition of Hinduism making the > whole

issue> > more complicated. So which is the authentic source? Yajur Veda >

(including> > the Taittiriya and the Mahnarayana Upanishads which is full of >

fabulous> > Rudra mantras) or the regional texts? What came first? Which >

influenced> > which? Maybe both are right...these issues are highly debatable

and > open to> > endless pontification, which of course need and must continue

for > the sake> > of scholastic advancement. Hinduism as you know is a

continuum, a > fluid,> > meandering cosmology, rather than a static text frozen

in time and > space. It> > cannot be 'preserved' like an unchanging object or a

pickle or a > stuffed> > animal, but being a living tradition it is

continuously changing and> > re-inventing itself...although core principles and

the grammar is > the same.> > It can be continued and saved from obsoletion. It

is to be lived. > Not frozen> > in time. So we have a harder time to identify

distortions and> > authentication. The lines truly get blurred.> > > > So

including or not including Om...Mantra Maharnava does not > include Om when> >

counting aksharas, while others do. Who is right? I simply follow my> >

parampara being Sanjay's shishya and consider Om Namah Shivaya as> >

shadakshari although I am open to debates and discussions. Perhaps> >

unconsciously I make a separation between belief and scholarship,> >

spirituality and grammar. I deal with them in separate spheres...at > least> >

temporarily. There are many things in the spiritual plane that I > cannot> >

account for in the scholastic, rational sphere. All I am trying to > say is,> >

that it would be very interesting if we could probe deeper into the > whys and>

> wherefores of the distortions. It might be a fruitful exercise. I > will> >

definitely keep my eyes open on this and if I come across any > material on> >

the issues discussed on mantra in the list...I will surely post > them, at> >

least in the Varahamihira forum. So I would not really look at it > as a> >

'controversy' - > > > > Best regards,> > > > Sarbani> > > > > > -----Original

Message-----> > pvr108 <pvr@c...> [pvr@c...]> > Tuesday,

January 07, 2003 3:46 AM> > vedic astrology> > Subject:

[vedic astrology] Summary of controversy (Re:> > Mantra-Query-Narsimhaji)> > >

> > > Hi Chandrashekhar,> > > > One quick clarification. The number of letters

is not the matter of> > controversy (so far). The controversy is regarding the

number of> > words. If you have a compound word formed by a sandhi (e.g.> >

parameswaraanugrahaaptyartham is made up of many words - parama +> > iswara +

anugraha + aapti + artham, but it is technically one word)> > or samaasa (e.g.

suragurubrihaspataye is made up of sura, guru and> > brihaspataye, but it is

technically one word. It is equivalent> > to "suraanaam gurave brihaspataye"),

it is technically becomes one> > word.> > > > Thus the controversy is regarding

the number of words in the> > presence of sandhi/samaasa

(conjoining/compounding) and not> > regarding the number of letters.> > > > As

far as letters go, "Om Namassivaaya" has six letters> > and "Namassivaaya" has

five letters. There is no controversy there.> > Namassivaaya IS the

panchakshari mantra and some people add om to> > remove any bad results due to

mispronunciation. Om always safeguards> > against mistakes.> > > > May

Jupiter's light shine on us,> > Narasimha> > > > PS: Strictly speaking though,

some people mispronounce these> > mantras, altering the number of LETTERS too.

The Sanskrit word for> > letter/syllable is "akshara". To understand it, you

have to know> > what is kshara (perishable) and what is akshara (imperishable).

The> > sound "k" or "kl" cannot stand on its own and perishes (you cannot> >

even properly pronounce it, if it is standing on its own). When an> > vowel

comes, it makes it imperishable and gives life (you can> > pronounce it). So

vowels (swaras) are called the lifeforce of a> > syllable. A syllable cannot be

formed without an vowel.> > So "ka", "kah", "tat" etc are all aksharas

(supported by a). In tat,> > you cannot consider the last "t" as a separate

akshara as it does> > not have an vowel (life) to support it (the previous a

supports the> > t coming before it). So "tat" is considered to be just one

akshara> > and not two (that is how it is used in all Sanskrit slokas. If you>

> know chhandas, you can verify what I mean). The number of aksharas> > in a

word is equal to the number of separated vowels in it. So> > Sivaaya has 3

aksharas (si, vaa and ya). If one> > mispronounces "Sivaaya" as "Sivaay"

(thanks to the Arabic influence> > on Hindi), it now has only 2 vowels instead

of 3 and only two> > aksharas (si and vaay, the y here is analogous to the

second t in> > tat - it cannot stand on its own as an akshara without an vowel>

> coming after it). Still, you may get some results over the long run> > due to

devotion. Anywya, I am less concerned about results etc here> > and I am

concentrating on the technicalities that got lost due to> > the corruptions of

Kali Yuga. I know what I am saying will not> > appeal to a lot of people, but

this is based on sound technical> > considerations.> > > > > Respected

Narasimhaji/Ramdass Rao and other knowledgeable > teachers,> > > I have been

watching this topic for some time.If I may intervene,> > as I understand "Om

Namah Shivaay" has always been called as> > panchakshari mantra. Now if the

line of reasoning in the ongoing> > discussion is to be accepted it would be

counted as different number> > of words according to who is trying to decipher

it.Were the ancient> > sages wrong in calling the above mantra as Panchakshari?

Please> > enlighten me.> > > Reagrds,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >

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Dear Sunil,

Thanks for the chart. Someone already sent it to my private mail

also. Ragu is in Osho's AL in rasi and aspects his AK in navamsa

(along with Venus), which prove Rahu's overall influence on his

outward projection and behavior and path of demolishing/going

against existing tradition, principles and approaches.

 

Guru PVRji gave a excellent reasoning regarding his path to

spirituality using D-20. Rahu is crucial there too. FYI, I am

cutting and pasting from Narasimhaji's post here.

 

As per PVRji:

"Take Osho (Rajneesh). His AK Jupiter is in Sc in D-20. The 4th from

there is empty. Take the lord. It is Rahu! He is with Mars and Ketu

in Cp. Lot of tamasik forces are concentrated there. The spiritual

path that gives comfort and happiness to his soul is, accordingly,

that of Mars and Rahu. It is based on Nyaya sastra, transgressing

the boundaries and revelling in complete tamas.

 

Thus each atma has affinity to a different spiritual path. This

should be seen from the 4th house from AK in D-20."

 

regards,

-Siva.

 

vedic astrology, "Sunil John"

<suniljohn@s...> wrote:

> Dear Mr. Siva,

>

> I am attaching Osho's chart, I am not sure if it is his chart, but

the source is very relaible.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil John

> -

> schinnas <schinnas

> vedic astrology

> Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:35 AM

> [vedic astrology] Rahu and Osho & Sankrit grammer

>

> Dear Dr. Chaudharyji,

>

> Regarding Rahu, I think even the classics attribute Rahu to

breaking

> away from conventional path. I have Rahu in trines to navams

lagna,

> and unless I am fully convinced, I dont agree to what tradition

> holds - this is not arrogance, but just an inborn

characteristic. In

> most cases, I have my own interpretation as per my understanding

and

> realization.

>

> Chart of Osho (Rajneesh) might be an excellent candidate to

study

> effect of Rahu. I am fully convinced that Rahu will hold the key

in

> his chart. Does anyone have his chart?

>