Rasi Chart vs Bhava Chart

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Can you please tell which chart we should use for delineating effects of planets

in houses.. should we use the Rasi chart or the Bhava chart?

Ex: If the ascendent is in 29deg.45min of capricorn.. Jupiter in 11deg-02min

cancer should be taken as being in the 7th house or the 6 th house?

Another Ex: If the ascendent is in 19 deg of scorpio and Mercury is in 2 deg 53

min of Aries.. should i interpret it as Mercury being in the 5th bhava or the

6th according to the rasi?

Thanks!

Prakash

 

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Pranama,

Bhava Chakkra vs Rasi

Bhava Chakkra is a chart in which grahas are shown in 12 house divisions worked

out on the basis of precise delineation of different bhava, which are neither

necessarily synchronous with zodical signs, nor of equal divisions. In other

words it is the unequal marking of the ecliptic into twelve divisions with

reference to the latitude.

While the Rasi Chakkra is the chart in which all grahas are shown according to

thier occupance with respect to 12 zodical signs. In Rasi chart the entire sign

is assumed as a house whatever the degree of a graha in a certain sign. In short

it is a sign based chart (but the lagna's degree is given for the extraction of

varga chart's lagna),. In general Rasi chart is considered (e.g. in JHL

software Rasi is given) , whereas it is computed with detail birth chart and

other computaions. The western or tropical system based softwares compute

charts based on house. Many house systems are there in which Placidus, Koch and

Camponus are invogue.

But the concept of western house is different with Bhava Chakkra. In western

system based chart, the junction (the point where two houses meet) is known as

'cusp'. But in Vedic Astrology, houses for Bhava Chakkra is not calculated in

the above mentioned fashion. Here the said cusp is considered as the "Bhava

Madhya" i.e. mid point of a house not the initial point of house or

Arambha-Sandhi.

If you mannualy enumerate the 12 bhavas (as suggested by Sripathy)then you must

have lagna(eastern rising point) and tenth house(MC) position in

degree-minute-second. Which are available in tabular form for different cities.

But if you have western based astrological software then firstly cast a chart on

the bases of 'Porphyry' house system, then minus the ayanamsa of that date from

each house, which will be the Bhava-Madhyas or the mid point of the 12 houses.

i.e.

Mid point (of Vedic Chart's) Bhava = Cusp of House from Prophyry - Ayanamsa

Then the task of initial point and ending point of a house is come. For that

take the simple average (arithmatical mean) of two bhava-madhaya. For example

when you take the mean of 1st and 2nd houses the point you will found will be

the ending point of the 1st house and the initial point of the 2nd house.

Similarly the mean of 2nd and 3rd house yield the point called ending point of

second house and initial point of third house. Proceed in the similar manner

untill you find all the initial and ending points of 12 houses. Now you will

observe that all the hosues are not of 30 degrees length. You have said that

what happen if the lagna is 29Cp45, (remember this is the mid-point of

ascendant not the initial point), and Jupiter is at 11Cn02. This means the

mid-point of the seventh house is definitely 29 Cn 45. Now if the starting

position of seventh house is lesser than 11 Cn 02 then it will come in seventh

house of Bhava Chakkra, otherwise not.

Practical Example: November 14, 1978 at 13:32:05, zone: 5:00 ahead of GMT, ( 68E52, 27N42 )

you will get the house cusps (a/c Prophyry using Lahiti ayanamsa) as mid point

of Bhava Chakkara; 1st House= 8 Aq 46, 2nd house= 11 Pi 50, and so on for the

twelfth houses. (the seconds position may vary) Convert them in general form

i.e. in degree-minute-second formate as:

I House = 308-46-00

II House = 341-50-00

III House= 14-53-00

IV Hosue= 47-57-00

and so on up to

XII House = 281-50-00

Now for the initial point of 2nd house we take the mean of "I House" with "II

Hosue" as ( 308-46-00 + 341-50-00 ) / 2 = 325-18-00. This 325-18-00 i.e. 25 Aq

18 is the ending point of first house and starting point of second house.

Similarly mean of "II House" with "III House" as ( 341-50-00 + 14-53-00 ) / 2 =

358-21-30 or 28 Pi 21 30, which is the beginning point of third house and

terminating point of second house. Do like this for remaining houses upto the

mean of "XII House" with "I House" as ( 281-50-00 + 308-46-00 ) / 2 = 295-18-00

i.e. 25 Cp 18, which is the ending point of XII House and initial point of I

House. Now you have all the starting and ending positions of 12 Bhavas

extracting from Mid-points of house. But in Bhava Chakkra the degrees are not

written in chart like the westerners do. Now place the grahas. Look the ninth

house, it has starting position or say Arambha-Sandhi=178-21-30 i.e. 28 Virgo

21 30. and ending position or say Virma-Sandhi= 211-25-00 or 1 Sc 25, Now find

the Grahas at that time under this range (between 178-21-30 to 211-25-00), you

find Venus at 17 Li 47 i.e. 197-47-00. That's mean in Bhava Chakkra Venus will

be in IX House. Look ninth house ends in Scorpio's 1 degree 25 minutes, its

mean if any planet was 1 degree Scorpio it will come in IX House. Similarly

here if any graha have 29 degree of Virgo then it comes in ninth house also.

While in rasi chart it remains in eigth house. (But in this example there is no

such planet).

The Bhava Chakkra (House based chart) determines the residential strength of

planets. Grahas having degrees near Bhava-Madhya or mid-point of house consider

strongly placed. Whereas some astrologers look Bhava-Chakkra for yogas and

functional friendship also.

Hope this detailed explanation will help you and others.

Regards

M.Imran

 

 

 

Prakash Narayanan <rcnp > wrote:

Respected Gurujis,

Can you please tell which chart we should use for delineating effects of planets

in houses.. should we use the Rasi chart or the Bhava chart?

Ex: If the ascendent is in 29deg.45min of capricorn.. Jupiter in 11deg-02min

cancer should be taken as being in the 7th house or the 6 th house?

Another Ex: If the ascendent is in 19 deg of scorpio and Mercury is in 2 deg 53

min of Aries.. should i interpret it as Mercury being in the 5th bhava or the

6th according to the rasi?

Thanks!

Prakash

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the detailed explanation. When working on results of planetary

positions based on Parasara's rules i should use only the rasi right.. i hope i

do not need to worry about the bhava.

Thanks!

Prakash

Muhammad Imran <astroimran > wrote:

Dear Prakash, Pranama, Bhava Chakkra vs Rasi Bhava Chakkra is a chart in which

grahas are shown in 12 house divisions worked out on the basis of precise

delineation of different bhava, which are neither necessarily synchronous with

zodical signs, nor of equal divisions. In other words it is the unequal marking

of the ecliptic into twelve divisions with reference to the latitude. While the

Rasi Chakkra is the chart in which all grahas are shown according to thier

occupance with respect to 12 zodical signs. In Rasi chart the entire sign is

assumed as a house whatever the degree of a graha in a certain sign. In short

it is a sign based chart (but the lagna's degree is given for the extraction of

varga chart's lagna),. In general Rasi chart is considered (e.g. in JHL software

Rasi is given) , whereas it is computed with detail birth chart and other

computaions. The western or tropical system based softwares compute charts

based on house. Many house systems are there in which Placidus, Koch and

Camponus are invogue. But the concept of western house is different with Bhava

Chakkra. In western system based chart, the junction (the point where two

houses meet) is known as 'cusp'. But in Vedic Astrology, houses for Bhava

Chakkra is not calculated in the above mentioned fashion. Here the said cusp is

considered as the "Bhava Madhya" i.e. mid point of a house not the initial point

of house or Arambha-Sandhi. If you mannualy enumerate the 12 bhavas (as

suggested by Sripathy)then you must have lagna(eastern rising point) and tenth

house(MC) position in degree-minute-second. Which are available in tabular form

for different cities. But if you have western based astrological software then

firstly cast a chart on the bases of 'Porphyry' house system, then minus the

ayanamsa of that date from each house, which will be the Bhava-Madhyas or the

mid point of the 12 houses. i.e. Mid point (of Vedic Chart's) Bhava = Cusp of

House from Prophyry - Ayanamsa Then the task of initial point and ending point

of a house is come. For that take the simple average (arithmatical mean) of two

bhava-madhaya. For example when you take the mean of 1st and 2nd houses the

point you will found will be the ending point of the 1st house and the initial

point of the 2nd house. Similarly the mean of 2nd and 3rd house yield the point

called ending point of second house and initial point of third house. Proceed in

the similar manner untill you find all the initial and ending points of 12

houses. Now you will observe that all the hosues are not of 30 degrees length.

You have said that what happen if the lagna is 29Cp45, (remember this is the

mid-point of ascendant not the initial point), and Jupiter is at 11Cn02. This

means the mid-point of the seventh house is definitely 29 Cn 45. Now if the

starting position of seventh house is lesser than 11 Cn 02 then it will come in

seventh house of Bhava Chakkra, otherwise not. Practical Example: November 14,

1978 at 13:32:05, zone: 5:00 ahead of GMT, ( 68E52, 27N42 ) you will get the

house cusps (a/c Prophyry using Lahiti ayanamsa) as mid point of Bhava

Chakkara; 1st House= 8 Aq 46, 2nd house= 11 Pi 50, and so on for the twelfth

houses. (the seconds position may vary) Convert them in general form i.e. in

degree-minute-second formate as: I House = 308-46-00 II House = 341-50-00 III

House= 14-53-00 IV Hosue= 47-57-00 and so on up to

XII House = 281-50-00 Now for the initial point of 2nd house we take the mean of

"I House" with "II Hosue" as ( 308-46-00 + 341-50-00 ) / 2 = 325-18-00. This

325-18-00 i.e. 25 Aq 18 is the ending point of first house and starting point

of second house. Similarly mean of "II House" with "III House" as ( 341-50-00 +

14-53-00 ) / 2 = 358-21-30 or 28 Pi 21 30, which is the beginning point of third

house and terminating point of second house. Do like this for remaining houses

upto the mean of "XII House" with "I House" as ( 281-50-00 + 308-46-00 ) / 2 =

295-18-00 i.e. 25 Cp 18, which is the ending point of XII House and initial

point of I House. Now you have all the starting and ending positions of 12

Bhavas extracting from Mid-points of house. But in Bhava Chakkra the degrees

are not written in chart like the westerners do. Now place the grahas. Look the

ninth house, it has starting position or say Arambha-Sandhi=178-21-30 i.e. 28

Virgo 21 30. and ending position or say Virma-Sandhi= 211-25-00 or 1 Sc 25, Now

find the Grahas at that time under this range (between 178-21-30 to 211-25-00),

you find Venus at 17 Li 47 i.e. 197-47-00. That's mean in Bhava Chakkra Venus

will be in IX House. Look ninth house ends in Scorpio's 1 degree 25 minutes,

its mean if any planet was 1 degree Scorpio it will come in IX House. Similarly

here if any graha have 29 degree of Virgo then it comes in ninth house also.

While in rasi chart it remains in eigth house. (But in this example there is no

such planet). The Bhava Chakkra (House based chart) determines the residential

strength of planets. Grahas having degrees near Bhava-Madhya or mid-point of

house consider strongly placed. Whereas some astrologers look Bhava-Chakkra for

yogas and functional friendship also. Hope this detailed explanation will help

you and others. Regards M.Imran Prakash Narayanan <rcnp > wrote:

Respected Gurujis,

Can you please tell which chart we should use for delineating effects of planets

in houses.. should we use the Rasi chart or the Bhava chart?

Ex: If the ascendent is in 29deg.45min of capricorn.. Jupiter in 11deg-02min

cancer should be taken as being in the 7th house or the 6 th house?

Another Ex: If the ascendent is in 19 deg of scorpio and Mercury is in 2 deg 53

min of Aries.. should i interpret it as Mercury being in the 5th bhava or the

6th according to the rasi?

Thanks!

Prakash

 

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