Mantrasashtra

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|| Namassivaaya ||

 

Dear Jagmeet,

 

I do know for sure that it is the TRINES that shd be considered from

Karakamsa(Position of AK in Navamsa).

 

As for Narasimha;s post, that cd be a typo!

 

Regards

Narayan

 

 

vedic astrology, jagmeet dheendsa

<jsdheendsa@j...> wrote:

> Dear friends,

> Please refer to the following from Shri Narasimha Ji's post.

> Something tells me that you will one day become a master of mantra

> sastra. Do you happen to have Venus and 2-3 malefics in quadrants

from

> atma karaka in navamsa?

>

> Please refer to the following from US,Stanza 1.2.83 and 1.2.85:-

> 1.2.83:-If two malefics are in trines(1st,5th or 9th house)the

native

> gains expertise in spells(mantra)and occult knowledge.

> 1.2.85:-The malefics in trines when aspected by benefics gives

expertise

> in white magic.

> For explanation please read page 61,para 2 lines 20-26 where

Gurudev has

> given his own chart to explain the above.

> Now is it Trines or Quadrants?

>

> Could some one please reconcile the above or is there something

which I

> am missing.

>

> With regards,

> Jagmeet

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Dear Jagmeet and others,

 

I would like to add what I was taught by Gauranga Prabhu;

If combinations of malefics happen to be in trines to navamsha lagna then person

will get knowledge of mantra, yantra and tantra (according to the number of

malefics in combination) in this life,

if said combinations is in trines to karakamsha person bring this knowledge from

previous life, so this knowledge is deeply rooted in persons consciousness and

person continues his study of mantra, yantra or tantra in this life.

So, this is the difference between this two examples; in first - person is

trying to learn without any previous experience and in second example person

already has experience from previous lifes.

This is what I remembered, if anyone has something to add or correct me, please do so.

 

Thank you

Darpaha Dasa

-

jagmeet dheendsa

vedic astrology

Friday, December 27, 2002 6:23 PM

[vedic astrology] Mantrasashtra

Dear friends,

Please refer to the following from Shri Narasimha Ji's post.

Something tells me that you will one day become a master of mantra sastra. Do

you happen to have Venus and 2-3 malefics in quadrants from atma karaka in

navamsa?

 

Please refer to the following from US,Stanza 1.2.83 and 1.2.85:-

1.2.83:-If two malefics are in trines(1st,5th or 9th house)the native gains

expertise in spells(mantra)and occult knowledge.

1.2.85:-The malefics in trines when aspected by benefics gives expertise in white magic.

For explanation please read page 61,para 2 lines 20-26 where Gurudev has given

his own chart to explain the above.

Now is it Trines or Quadrants?

 

Could some one please reconcile the above or is there something which I am missing.

 

With regards,

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Aum Namah Shivaya

 

 

> Dear Naraayan and Jagmeet,

> It should be reckoned from the trines to Karakamsa, AS THE

>SPIRITUAL POWER COMES FROM WITHIN! It takes alot of faith to move

>the tides of destiny using mantras, tantra and what not. This faith

>must come from a strong internal desire, and is seen from the

>Karakamsa. These powers manifest if the planets are in trines to

>Karakamsa. Narasimha-guru may have been looking for something

else...

 

 

I agree with this from my own experience. First I will give my

Navamsa details and then share my experience.

 

RASI LAGNA: SAGITTARIUS; ATMA KARAKA: JUPITER; KARAKAMSA LAGNA:

PISCES; NAVAMSA LAGNA : SCORPIO;

 

In my Navamsa I have Moon (almost Full Moon), Jupiter and Saturn in

the 5th from Navamsa lagna Scorpio. Since Jupiter is my Atmakaraka,

Pisces happens to be my Karakamsa lagna. So these planets are in

trines from both karakamsa lagna as well as navamsa lagna.

 

Jupiter dasa:

 

One year and three months after my birth, my Jupiter dasa started.

So in a way I was lucky. Till Jupiter-Venus I was just an average to

above average student.

 

Jupiter-Venus:

 

In Jupiter-Venus (I was only ten year old), I suddenly became the

class topper. I started getting up at 3.30 or 4.00 invariably

without even attempting to, and would read literature etc. I started

participating in elocution, essay writing etc and would get prizes

(my Venus is in the second in rasi, 8th in navamsa, but in the 4th

from Karakamsa). Got interested in Vivekananda, Buddha and Shiva at

this time, but not intensely, from a philosophical point of view.

Read almost all the Amar Chitra Katha series on Indian mythology as

well as Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan's mythology books like Mahabharata,

Ramayana, Srimadbhagawatam etc apart from English literature

 

The rest of the Jupiter dasa was not very eventful from a spiritual

point of view.

 

 

Jupiter-Rahu: Vivekananda literature and few of Aurobindo works

interested me during this time, but no sadhana yet in a true sense.

Started learning from the original texts with translations, but not

serious enough.

 

 

Saturn-Saturn: WOW!!!!

 

 

Saturn dasa saw me taking a 180 degree turn, lose interest in formal

studies and gave me intense detachment (for no obvious reason). So

during Saturn-Saturn, I spent full three years studying Vedanta etc,

spending most of my time with monks and brahmacharis. During the

same time I was deep into other Vedic related subjects including

jyotish, samudrika sastra etc. Learnt KP as well as traditional from

different astrologers seriously. Read Western astrology books too.

Did some very good predictions during this time. But focus was

largely on sadhana and vedanta. No aspirations really.

 

 

(Imagine my parents' plight wondering about me! I come from a well

to do Indian family. Even during my grandfather's days we were well

off. Infact my maternal grandfather worked with Subhas Chandra Bose

in the INA as a Captain, and after the Indian Independence, he

worked and retired in the highest posts with the Indian govt. My

paternal grandfather was on the other hand a simple sattvic person,

a well to do farmer who also did some real estate for a while. His

biggest asset was his sadhana which seems to have been fruitful

since he died on a Maha Sivaratri night. His elder brother was well

versed in vedic literature and was into astrology well enough. But

no one else had any serious spiritual inclinations other than the

regular hindu religious influences. My parents-esp mother- was a bit

alarmed with my preference for monks' company!)

 

 

Once Saturn-Saturn left, I started balancing both my mundane and

spiritual lives very well, was into Dentistry. Sadhana was on and

off.

 

 

Saturn-Venus:

 

Again in Saturn-Venus, intense spells of Bhakti came over. I was

totally into Bhakti,Agamas, Yoga, Vedanga, Upaveda (Jyotish and

Ayurveda included) etc. But predominantly bhakti and mantra. I was

very happy to count all the leaves of knowledge, happy to know each

detail as an extension of God. Towards the end, all the 'counting of

the leaves' eventually ended up with 'back to the cosmic

roots'.Wrote and spoke extensively. Won almost every single prize in

every competition I walked into, on the stage, including classical

singing (I had taken no formal training but studied musicology-

theory as an interest!) Was awarded titles, etc. During those days,

a song, a raga, a name of the divine could send me into ecstasy. On

the other hand, I was also getting entangled into the worldy

matters. Very interesting mix of worldly and spiritual lives.

Duality! A few difficulties too. A few interesting points. The study

of agamas extended to Tibetan tantra too. Interacted with Buddhist

monks quite bit. Normally I love Siva-Sakti as my ista. Sakti

predominated my mind, so much that all Her forms enchanted me.

Interestingly for the first time a non-saivite Hindu god interested

me-Radha! This also took me to RADHA-KRSNA. Loved every form of the

Divine, though I was still a child of Siva-Sakti in my

mind.

 

 

Saturn-Sun:

 

Mostly Yoga with more emphasis on Hatha Yoga, working full time in

Dentistry etc. Toughest period internally. Worked on my EGO, trying

to mellow down the "I".

 

 

Saturn-Moon:

 

Reading, Writing, Teaching (less or minimal sadhana!). Uneventful

spiritually, but active intellectually.

 

 

Saturn-Mars:

 

Back to Vedantic, esp Advaitic moods. Mostly Viveka (discrimination)

and Swadhyaya (Self study) with CONTEMPLATION/SELF INQUIRY. Intense

study and writing. Very active intellectually and in a way

spiritually. Advaita was back in the mind predominantly. Worked on

atleast 5 projects (business plan for a big hospital, softwares,

music albums etc).

 

 

Saturn-Rahu: Occassional bhakti. But there is this internal dialogue

going on demolishing all the past ideas, beliefs etc! I don't see

it as negative at all, since it is giving me insights (or I think so)

and has been spiritually as blissful as some of the other good

periods. THE MIND QUESTIONS EVERYTHING AND EVERY IDEA! Through

logic, epistemology, sastrartha, the mind seeks to establish the

truth. And in this process, sometimes even negates old favourite

ideas and beliefs. Temptation to conclude that the TRUTH is in

between Advaita and Buddha's near-agnostic approach. I should sum it

up so far as a 'philosopher's state of mind' that pulls me to

consider every possible angle and negate most of them fully and the

rest partially. Only the Vedic chants or Agamic mantras or Music

seem to occassionally pull me out of my philosophical thoughts (of

course other than the pressing committments of work)

 

 

I have tried to put in as simple terms as possible, my spiritual and

intellectual lives here since both of them can be seen in the

trines, esp the 5th being creative energies, intelligence, mantras

etc.

 

 

One can see how Saturn has been so far. Saturn is in the Karakamsha

lagna Pisces along with Moon and Jupiter (atmakaraka). This is also

the 5th from my Navamsa lagna. Interestingly while Saturn dasa has

seen me turn more towards sadhana, Saturn-Moon has given me mostly

an intellectual life internally with very less sadhana.

 

I give below my birth details for those who are interested.

 

Jan 1st 1972, 07: 05 am, Visakhapatnam, India.

 

Would be interested if someone did an analysis with the Drig dasa!

 

A few pointers.

 

My Venus is with Rahu in the rasi chart. During Saturn-Venus, I was

exposed a lot to Tibetan Buddhism too apart from the Hindu agamas

and bhakti.

 

 

Now during Saturn-Rahu, though there is no Buddhist inclination, but

the mind seems to accept a state between Sankaracharya's ideas and a

near-agnostic Buddhist view, though it seems to have nothing to do

with the Buddha (or does it? ) Sankaracharya (as he is often

accused) seems to really disguise buddhist agnosticism with Vedanta

at times. And it is here that Rahu takes me to at times.

 

Over all these influences only one part has ALWAYS BEEN STEADY- the

UPANISADS. Among all that I have been through, only the Upanisads

have left the deepest impression, an impression that neither the

skeptical Rahu nor the enchanting Venus could even slightly

alter.

 

 

Over the years I have read extensively most philosophers' works

including western too. JK, Orthodox buddhism, Tibetan tantra etc are

some other influences on my mind apart from modern western

psychology works including Jung and Freud.Physics, Philosophy,

Medicine, Art, Literature, Psychology- in short everything interests

me!

 

 

Planets in the trines could probably indicate an active intellectual

life as well. In my case it gave me both sides-spiritual as well as

intellectual. I think the involvement of the moksha houses ALSO is

important esp the 8th and 12th for judging the trinal influences as

spiritual experiences and not just intellectual. Otherwise planets

in the trines could AT TIMES just indicate an active intellectual

life. You will see this in the charts of many western

philosophers/psychologists/authors etc who were not into mantras,

sadhana etc. Some were even agnostic, skeptical or atheistic too!

 

 

That is what it looks like to me. I would be most interested to hear

from the others.

 

Regards,

 

Satya

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Aum Namah Shivaya

 

Namaste,

 

Just to make it more clear, it was during Saturn-Venus that I was

deep into mantra sastra and chanting become a part of my existence.

In fact during this time, I remember atleast three to four times

when I woke up from sleep only to realise that I was chanting the

Devi Mahatmyam or Lalita sahasranama even in my sleep. There was

this awareness of a constant chanting within. It had become a habit.

But this was only during Saturn-Venus, after which it waned. But

there was a strong compulsion from within that pulled me then.

 

 

Satya

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Aum Namah Shivaya

 

 

I forgot to add a major thing here- Piligrimages

 

Entire Saturn dasa saw me into many (hundreds literally)

piligrimages to holy places.

 

Saturn-Saturn: 1/3 rd of India's most holy spots from North to South

and West to East, quite intense tapas if I may use the word at many

places, esp in the south

 

Saturn-Mercury: Few piligrimages

 

Saturn-Venus: Many piligrimages throughout the south, but was steady

at Tiruvannamalai, the HOLY HILL OF ARUNACHALA SIVA. I would go as

often as possible. I even had sunburn during one such long trip. I

don't count my stay at Tibetan Buddhist monastries as a piligrimage

since it was mostly intellectual in its nature, though I did sadhana.

 

Saturn-Sun: Just a few parikramas (pradakshinas) around the holy

hill of Arunachala before leaving the country as I came to Australia

during this time.

 

Saturn-Moon: One INTENSE trip to India for a full month during the

Maha Kumbhamela to Allahabad, Varanasi, Tiruvannamalai etc. Stayed

with monks for 20 days during this trip.

 

Again made a short trip for a week to Tiruvannamalai all the way

from Sydney during Moon antardasa.

 

Saturn-Mars: Nil. Partly because of work, partly because I was

mostly contemplating on the Upanisadic...

 

Saturn-Rahu: Yet to see, but looks like I might make one trip to

Bengal, Varanasi and Himalayas when I can take 2-3 weeks off from

work/business.

 

One may assume that I am only spiritual and not worldly enough in my

outlook after reading all this. Interestingly I am considered the

most practical person in money/business matters among all my

cousins, sisters etc. Most business ideas have done very well.

Within the family circle, they take my advice seriously wrt to

property or money matters. I am comfortable equally in the company

of sanyasis as well as very worldly people. Can manage both angles

with enough resilience and ease. My appreciation for western culture

and their ways is higher than my sisters' who stay in the US.

Duality of Sagittarius at work?

 

 

For those who find all this boring, my apologies. This is only for

those with a similiar inclination.

 

 

Regards,

 

Satya

 

=======

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti, Jagmeet and Narayanan,

 

Namaste. While malefics in trines to Karakamsa do give expertise in

mantra, perhaps the direction (positive or negative) in which this

power will be deployed is determined by the aspect or non-aspect of

benefics.

 

I, myself have Sun & Mars (AK)in Karakmsa(Leo) and Ketu & Jupiter in

Aries, the 9th house from Karakamsa. Venus is in Aquarius, the 7th

house from Karakamsa and aspects the Karakamsa. So, hopefully,

whatever little spiritual power I am likely to have will be put to

good use!

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...>

wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> --

------------

>

> Dear Naraayan and Jagmeet,

> It should be reckoned from the trines to Karakamsa, AS THE

SPIRITUAL POWER COMES FROM WITHIN! It takes alot of faith to move the

tides of destiny using mantras, tantra and what not. This faith must

come from a strong internal desire, and is seen from the Karakamsa.

These powers manifest if the planets are in trines to Karakamsa.

Narasimha-guru may have been looking for something else...

>

> Best wishes

> Visti

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> vedic astrology

> Friday, December 27, 2002 6:38 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Mantrasashtra

>

>

> || Namassivaaya ||

>

> Dear Jagmeet,

>

> I do know for sure that it is the TRINES that shd be considered

from

> Karakamsa(Position of AK in Navamsa).

>

> As for Narasimha;s post, that cd be a typo!

>

> Regards

> Narayan

>

>

> vedic astrology, jagmeet dheendsa

> <jsdheendsa@j...> wrote:

> > Dear friends,

> > Please refer to the following from Shri Narasimha Ji's post.

> > Something tells me that you will one day become a master of

mantra

> > sastra. Do you happen to have Venus and 2-3 malefics in

quadrants

> from

> > atma karaka in navamsa?

> >

> > Please refer to the following from US,Stanza 1.2.83 and 1.2.85:-

> > 1.2.83:-If two malefics are in trines(1st,5th or 9th house)the

> native

> > gains expertise in spells(mantra)and occult knowledge.

> > 1.2.85:-The malefics in trines when aspected by benefics gives

> expertise

> > in white magic.

> > For explanation please read page 61,para 2 lines 20-26 where

> Gurudev has

> > given his own chart to explain the above.

> > Now is it Trines or Quadrants?

> >

> > Could some one please reconcile the above or is there something

> which I

> > am missing.

> >

> > With regards,

> > Jagmeet

>

>

>

>

>

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