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pranams all

Rather than opinions subject to human error, does anyone have any Jyotish

scriptural references from the ancient sages on the various dispositions of

planets in retrograde? Or indicate a reference source.

Thanks

Arthur

 

on 27/12/02 5:30 am, schinnas <schinnas > at schinnas wrote:

vyam vyasa devaya namah.

Gurus and jyotishis,

Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde planets exhibit a

different influence than normal forward moving planets. Some famous

jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) are of the opinon that

retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of Jupiter, but affects

other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of the opinion that natural

benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger (or more beneficial)

when they are retrograde, while natual malefics like Saturn, Mars

give more evil results when retrograde.

My question is since a planet being retrograde, etc is perception

(not reality) from a geocentric observer (in reality planets

maintain their regular orbit), how the effects shown by the planet

can change?

Whatever be the case, currently Jupiter is both exalted and

retrograde. What will be its disposition? Is it currently a benefic

or not?

Thanks,

Siva.

 

 

 

 

 

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vyam vyasa devaya namah.

 

Gurus and jyotishis,

Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde planets exhibit a

different influence than normal forward moving planets. Some famous

jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) are of the opinon that

retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of Jupiter, but affects

other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of the opinion that natural

benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger (or more beneficial)

when they are retrograde, while natual malefics like Saturn, Mars

give more evil results when retrograde.

 

My question is since a planet being retrograde, etc is perception

(not reality) from a geocentric observer (in reality planets

maintain their regular orbit), how the effects shown by the planet

can change?

 

Whatever be the case, currently Jupiter is both exalted and

retrograde. What will be its disposition? Is it currently a benefic

or not?

 

Thanks,

Siva.

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Hi All,

 

These are some questions are really bothering me also.

I tried to search on list archive and got two

different answers from two gurus.

 

According to shri PVR, he suggested that retrogestion

makes person to work hard and result will get after

much dealy while shri Sanjay Rath was of the opinion

of that retrogation actaully change the state of

planet.

 

This was what I can conclude from their mails.

 

Regards

Parag

 

 

 

--- "schinnas <schinnas"

<schinnas wrote:

> vyam vyasa devaya namah.

>

> Gurus and jyotishis,

> Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde

> planets exhibit a

> different influence than normal forward moving

> planets. Some famous

> jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) are of

> the opinon that

> retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of

> Jupiter, but affects

> other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of the

> opinion that natural

> benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger (or

> more beneficial)

> when they are retrograde, while natual malefics like

> Saturn, Mars

> give more evil results when retrograde.

>

> My question is since a planet being retrograde, etc

> is perception

> (not reality) from a geocentric observer (in reality

> planets

> maintain their regular orbit), how the effects shown

> by the planet

> can change?

>

> Whatever be the case, currently Jupiter is both

> exalted and

> retrograde. What will be its disposition? Is it

> currently a benefic

> or not?

>

> Thanks,

> Siva.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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What is the significance of the sanskrit word "VAKRI"? as far as i

know the word vakri has not connection with strength, and the only

mythical story i am aware of is that of Ashtavakra.

 

Any body can enlighten on this doubt???

 

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@s...>

wrote:

>

>

> ~om sri gurave namah~

> Dear Siva,

> Jyotish is all about perception, not reality. The reality is quite

different. Chesta bala means strength or ENERGY to try again and

again. For example, in my chart Saturn the AK and 11th lord

indicating 'the tradition' is retrograde. Saturn indicates my Jyotish

learning at the level of the atma as it is the 11th lord in 11th

house. Now, Saturn is retrograde and VERY strict, tough etc. It

represents the institution or king I wish to establish for the

purpose of Jyotish, the leader or that which will lead as it is the

Atmakaraka. Retrogression means that the resuts of the karma/fruits

thereof associated wih the planet shall not come easily. So, a simple

thing like establishment of the Sri Jagannath Center (Jupiter is 10th

lord in lagna, hence the name) through a legal process will become

difficult and there will be many reversals. Chesta bala means that I

will be tested again and again, and yet from somewhere i shall have

the strength and tenacity to try again and again. Narasimha has

suggested that I do the Sani gayatri for the fruits - good advise no

doubt, but you have to note that Saturn is AK and a simple graha

gayatri does not vibe with me. For me saturn represents the

individual atma and the Ista is Mercury in 2nd drekkana

(Krishna/Jagannath), so the remedy is to keep trying and remember

that Krishna will surely smile down one day. I hope this explains the

chesta bala and since this is associated with the AK, even if I die,

I will return to this planet to try again...what to speak of the

number of attempts I have made in this life. Similarly, a retrograde

Jupiter will indicate one trying very hard for matters connected with

children or wealth. Thus, we are seeing the 'nature of the planet' to

delineate results.

>

> Now, Parasara says that the planet is full of rays like the sun

i.e. full of energy. How can a person keep trying like 'Robert Bruce

and the spider-story' if he does not have (a) FAITH or (b) ENERGY

(read Strength). So, retrograde planets indicate a strong faith or

desire as well as the energy to try for the objective.

>

> Best regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> ----------------------

> Sri Jagannath Center, 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1,

New Delhi 110091, Tel: 91-11-2713201, Web: http://.org

http://srath.com

>

> schinnas <schinnas> [schinnas]

> Friday, December 27, 2002 11:00 AM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] About retrograde planets?

>

>

> vyam vyasa devaya namah.

>

> Gurus and jyotishis,

> Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde planets exhibit a

> different influence than normal forward moving planets. Some famous

> jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) are of the opinon that

> retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of Jupiter, but affects

> other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of the opinion that

natural

> benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger (or more beneficial)

> when they are retrograde, while natual malefics like Saturn, Mars

> give more evil results when retrograde.

>

> My question is since a planet being retrograde, etc is perception

> (not reality) from a geocentric observer (in reality planets

> maintain their regular orbit), how the effects shown by the planet

> can change?

>

> Whatever be the case, currently Jupiter is both exalted and

> retrograde. What will be its disposition? Is it currently a benefic

> or not?

>

> Thanks,

> Siva.

>

>

>

>

> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

 

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

>

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Dear Indegenius,

Vakri and retrograde are synonymous.

Chandrashekhar.

-

">indigenius <indigenius (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

vedic astrology

Sunday, December 29, 2002 12:16 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: About retrograde planets?

What is the significance of the sanskrit word "VAKRI"? as far as i know the word

vakri has not connection with strength, and the only mythical story i am aware

of is that of Ashtavakra.Any body can enlighten on this doubt???--- In

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@s...> wrote:> > > ~om sri

gurave namah~> Dear Siva,> Jyotish is all about perception, not reality. The

reality is quite different. Chesta bala means strength or ENERGY to try again

and again. For example, in my chart Saturn the AK and 11th lord indicating 'the

tradition' is retrograde. Saturn indicates my Jyotish learning at the level of

the atma as it is the 11th lord in 11th house. Now, Saturn is retrograde and

VERY strict, tough etc. It represents the institution or king I wish to

establish for the purpose of Jyotish, the leader or that which will lead as it

is the Atmakaraka. Retrogression means that the resuts of the karma/fruits

thereof associated wih the planet shall not come easily. So, a simple thing

like establishment of the Sri Jagannath Center (Jupiter is 10th lord in lagna,

hence the name) through a legal process will become difficult and there will be

many reversals. Chesta bala means that I will be tested again and again, and yet

from somewhere i shall have the strength and tenacity to try again and again.

Narasimha has suggested that I do the Sani gayatri for the fruits - good advise

no doubt, but you have to note that Saturn is AK and a simple graha gayatri does

not vibe with me. For me saturn represents the individual atma and the Ista is

Mercury in 2nd drekkana (Krishna/Jagannath), so the remedy is to keep trying

and remember that Krishna will surely smile down one day. I hope this explains

the chesta bala and since this is associated with the AK, even if I die, I will

return to this planet to try again...what to speak of the number of attempts I

have made in this life. Similarly, a retrograde Jupiter will indicate one

trying very hard for matters connected with children or wealth. Thus, we are

seeing the 'nature of the planet' to delineate results.> > Now, Parasara says

that the planet is full of rays like the sun i.e. full of energy. How can a

person keep trying like 'Robert Bruce and the spider-story' if he does not have

(a) FAITH or (b) ENERGY (read Strength). So, retrograde planets indicate a

strong faith or desire as well as the energy to try for the objective.> > Best

regards,> Sanjay Rath> ----------------------> Sri Jagannath Center, 71 Vasant

Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, Tel: 91-11-2713201, Web:

http://.org http://srath.com > >

schinnas <schinnas> [schinnas]> Friday, December 27,

2002 11:00 AM> vedic astrology> [vedic astrology]

About retrograde planets?> > > vyam vyasa devaya namah.> > Gurus and

jyotishis,> Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde planets exhibit a >

different influence than normal forward moving planets. Some famous > jyptish

gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) are of the opinon that > retrograde motion

doesnt affect the effects of Jupiter, but affects > other planets. some like

Ranjan Bose are of the opinion that natural > benefics like Venus and Jupiter

get stronger (or more beneficial) > when they are retrograde, while natual

malefics like Saturn, Mars > give more evil results when retrograde.> > My

question is since a planet being retrograde, etc is perception > (not reality)

from a geocentric observer (in reality planets > maintain their regular orbit),

how the effects shown by the planet > can change? > > Whatever be the case,

currently Jupiter is both exalted and > retrograde. What will be its

disposition? Is it currently a benefic > or not?> > Thanks,> Siva.> > > > > >

> > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info:

vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank

mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light

shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu

|| > > Terms of

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Vyam Vyasa-Devaya Namah.

 

Guruji,

Thank you again for the explanation. It also throws light into

understanding Chesta bala. Your post was rich in its deep meaning

and I had to read it twice to fully grasp it.

 

However, still some confusion persists in my mind. Retrogression

makes the person to be persistent in his efforts towards ahieving

the objective(s) shown by the graha. The chesta bala also indicates

the energy and persistence the native will show in his efforts.

 

1. However, grahas like Rahu/Ketu are perpetually retrograde, and

they stand for opposite things. What does this tell us? Or the rules

of retrogression dont apply to nodes which are virtual grahas?

 

Reg effects of retrograde Jupiter, I witnessed what you said in the

chart of a relative who has debilitated and retrograde Jupiter. She

had to struggle very very hard for children (she had Ketu in 5th

aswell) and finally succeeded after lots of remedies, prayers and

medical assistence. Jupiter is lord of 2nd and 11th houses for her

and the effects of debilitated retrograde jupiter were evident in

her family life and wealth as well. She is even facing a divorce

from her husband now. All this happened during her Jupiter

vimshottari mahadasa.

 

2. On the other hand, doesnt an _exalted_ jupiter reduce the effects

of retrogression and bless the native without making him/her

struggle for it?

 

Thanks,

Siva.

 

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@s...>

wrote:

>

>

> ~om sri gurave namah~

> Dear Siva,

> Jyotish is all about perception, not reality. The reality is quite

different. Chesta bala means strength or ENERGY to try again and

again. For example, in my chart Saturn the AK and 11th lord

indicating 'the tradition' is retrograde. Saturn indicates my

Jyotish learning at the level of the atma as it is the 11th lord in

11th house. Now, Saturn is retrograde and VERY strict, tough etc. It

represents the institution or king I wish to establish for the

purpose of Jyotish, the leader or that which will lead as it is the

Atmakaraka. Retrogression means that the resuts of the karma/fruits

thereof associated wih the planet shall not come easily. So, a

simple thing like establishment of the Sri Jagannath Center (Jupiter

is 10th lord in lagna, hence the name) through a legal process will

become difficult and there will be many reversals. Chesta bala means

that I will be tested again and again, and yet from somewhere i

shall have the strength and tenacity to try again and again.

Narasimha has suggested that I do the Sani gayatri for the fruits -

good advise no doubt, but you have to note that Saturn is AK and a

simple graha gayatri does not vibe with me. For me saturn represents

the individual atma and the Ista is Mercury in 2nd drekkana

(Krishna/Jagannath), so the remedy is to keep trying and remember

that Krishna will surely smile down one day. I hope this explains

the chesta bala and since this is associated with the AK, even if I

die, I will return to this planet to try again...what to speak of

the number of attempts I have made in this life. Similarly, a

retrograde Jupiter will indicate one trying very hard for matters

connected with children or wealth. Thus, we are seeing the 'nature

of the planet' to delineate results.

>

> Now, Parasara says that the planet is full of rays like the sun

i.e. full of energy. How can a person keep trying like 'Robert Bruce

and the spider-story' if he does not have (a) FAITH or (b) ENERGY

(read Strength). So, retrograde planets indicate a strong faith or

desire as well as the energy to try for the objective.

>

> Best regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> ----------------------

> Sri Jagannath Center, 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1,

New Delhi 110091, Tel: 91-11-2713201, Web: http://.org

http://srath.com

>

> schinnas <schinnas> [schinnas]

> Friday, December 27, 2002 11:00 AM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] About retrograde planets?

>

>

> vyam vyasa devaya namah.

>

> Gurus and jyotishis,

> Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde planets exhibit a

> different influence than normal forward moving planets. Some

famous

> jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) are of the opinon that

> retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of Jupiter, but

affects

> other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of the opinion that

natural

> benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger (or more beneficial)

> when they are retrograde, while natual malefics like Saturn, Mars

> give more evil results when retrograde.

>

> My question is since a planet being retrograde, etc is perception

> (not reality) from a geocentric observer (in reality planets

> maintain their regular orbit), how the effects shown by the planet

> can change?

>

> Whatever be the case, currently Jupiter is both exalted and

> retrograde. What will be its disposition? Is it currently a

benefic

> or not?

>

> Thanks,

> Siva.

>

>

>

>

> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

 

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

> Terms of

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> Vakri and retrograde are synonymous.

 

I know that already.

 

What I don't understand is why a planet with a lot of strength is

being called a "Vakri", when being vakri is nothing to be proud of.

 

My confustion stems from the fact that most of the time, the sanskrit

words have a deep link with the astrological significance (for

example, "Bhava" is a lot different from "House", "Graha" is

different from "Planet" and "Neech" is different from "Debilitated".

While these pairs make sense, that is, the sanskrit word does indeed

relate to the astrological significance in some deep manner, all

vakri seems to indicate is that the planet's path is bent, or

distorted, or does not follow the normal ways. I am unable to accept

the fact that this is all that the ancient seers meant to convey, and

in fact, the word "vakri" relates to the astrological significations

in more subtle ways).

 

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar"

<boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Indegenius,

> Vakri and retrograde are synonymous.

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> indigenius <indigenius>

> vedic astrology

> Sunday, December 29, 2002 12:16 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: About retrograde planets?

>

>

> What is the significance of the sanskrit word "VAKRI"? as far as

i

> know the word vakri has not connection with strength, and the

only

> mythical story i am aware of is that of Ashtavakra.

>

> Any body can enlighten on this doubt???

>

> vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"

<srath@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > ~om sri gurave namah~

> > Dear Siva,

> > Jyotish is all about perception, not reality. The reality is

quite

> different. Chesta bala means strength or ENERGY to try again and

> again. For example, in my chart Saturn the AK and 11th lord

> indicating 'the tradition' is retrograde. Saturn indicates my

Jyotish

> learning at the level of the atma as it is the 11th lord in 11th

> house. Now, Saturn is retrograde and VERY strict, tough etc. It

> represents the institution or king I wish to establish for the

> purpose of Jyotish, the leader or that which will lead as it is

the

> Atmakaraka. Retrogression means that the resuts of the

karma/fruits

> thereof associated wih the planet shall not come easily. So, a

simple

> thing like establishment of the Sri Jagannath Center (Jupiter is

10th

> lord in lagna, hence the name) through a legal process will

become

> difficult and there will be many reversals. Chesta bala means

that I

> will be tested again and again, and yet from somewhere i shall

have

> the strength and tenacity to try again and again. Narasimha has

> suggested that I do the Sani gayatri for the fruits - good advise

no

> doubt, but you have to note that Saturn is AK and a simple graha

> gayatri does not vibe with me. For me saturn represents the

> individual atma and the Ista is Mercury in 2nd drekkana

> (Krishna/Jagannath), so the remedy is to keep trying and remember

> that Krishna will surely smile down one day. I hope this explains

the

> chesta bala and since this is associated with the AK, even if I

die,

> I will return to this planet to try again...what to speak of the

> number of attempts I have made in this life. Similarly, a

retrograde

> Jupiter will indicate one trying very hard for matters connected

with

> children or wealth. Thus, we are seeing the 'nature of the

planet' to

> delineate results.

> >

> > Now, Parasara says that the planet is full of rays like the sun

> i.e. full of energy. How can a person keep trying like 'Robert

Bruce

> and the spider-story' if he does not have (a) FAITH or (b) ENERGY

> (read Strength). So, retrograde planets indicate a strong faith

or

> desire as well as the energy to try for the objective.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

> > ----------------------

> > Sri Jagannath Center, 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-

1,

> New Delhi 110091, Tel: 91-11-2713201, Web:

http://.org

> http://srath.com

> >

> > schinnas <schinnas> [schinnas]

> > Friday, December 27, 2002 11:00 AM

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] About retrograde planets?

> >

> >

> > vyam vyasa devaya namah.

> >

> > Gurus and jyotishis,

> > Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde planets exhibit a

> > different influence than normal forward moving planets. Some

famous

> > jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) are of the opinon

that

> > retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of Jupiter, but

affects

> > other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of the opinion that

> natural

> > benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger (or more

beneficial)

> > when they are retrograde, while natual malefics like Saturn,

Mars

> > give more evil results when retrograde.

> >

> > My question is since a planet being retrograde, etc is

perception

> > (not reality) from a geocentric observer (in reality planets

> > maintain their regular orbit), how the effects shown by the

planet

> > can change?

> >

> > Whatever be the case, currently Jupiter is both exalted and

> > retrograde. What will be its disposition? Is it currently a

benefic

> > or not?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Siva.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

>

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

 

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

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Dear indigenius

 

"Vakri" is the word for the motion of the planet.

 

What I can conclude that you are trying to say that

"Vakri" planet should be of less power (because of

different type of motion as it appears to us)is surely

not right as many times many Gurus has explanied that

"Vakri" planet has high chesta bala.Since it is

relatively close to earth than planets which are in

direct motion at that time.

 

Also same phenomenan has explanied in various books

thro' which you can go.

 

On the contarary some astrologers do think that

"Vakri" natural benefic planets become more strong.

(This point can be debated for ever)

 

BTW you sighted the example of AshtaVakra...

But do you know the next story....

Indra(King of God)had laughed on the body shape of

AsthaVakra (AsthaVakra literly means bend in body from

eight angles)and AsthaVakra cursed the Indra to have

thousands pores allover his body(thats why another

name of Indra is "ShastraRandhra")

 

Thats the power of "Vakra"

 

Regards

Parag

 

--- "indigenius <indigenius"

<indigenius wrote:

> > Vakri and retrograde are synonymous.

>

> I know that already.

>

> What I don't understand is why a planet with a lot

> of strength is

> being called a "Vakri", when being vakri is nothing

> to be proud of.

>

> My confustion stems from the fact that most of the

> time, the sanskrit

> words have a deep link with the astrological

> significance (for

> example, "Bhava" is a lot different from "House",

> "Graha" is

> different from "Planet" and "Neech" is different

> from "Debilitated".

> While these pairs make sense, that is, the sanskrit

> word does indeed

> relate to the astrological significance in some deep

> manner, all

> vakri seems to indicate is that the planet's path is

> bent, or

> distorted, or does not follow the normal ways. I am

> unable to accept

> the fact that this is all that the ancient seers

> meant to convey, and

> in fact, the word "vakri" relates to the

> astrological significations

> in more subtle ways).

>

> vedic astrology,

> "Chandrashekhar"

> <boxdel> wrote:

> > Dear Indegenius,

> > Vakri and retrograde are synonymous.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > indigenius <indigenius>

> > vedic astrology

> > Sunday, December 29, 2002 12:16 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: About retrograde

> planets?

> >

> >

> > What is the significance of the sanskrit word

> "VAKRI"? as far as

> i

> > know the word vakri has not connection with

> strength, and the

> only

> > mythical story i am aware of is that of

> Ashtavakra.

> >

> > Any body can enlighten on this doubt???

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Sanjay

> Rath"

> <srath@s...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > ~om sri gurave namah~

> > > Dear Siva,

> > > Jyotish is all about perception, not reality.

> The reality is

> quite

> > different. Chesta bala means strength or ENERGY

> to try again and

> > again. For example, in my chart Saturn the AK

> and 11th lord

> > indicating 'the tradition' is retrograde. Saturn

> indicates my

> Jyotish

> > learning at the level of the atma as it is the

> 11th lord in 11th

> > house. Now, Saturn is retrograde and VERY

> strict, tough etc. It

> > represents the institution or king I wish to

> establish for the

> > purpose of Jyotish, the leader or that which

> will lead as it is

> the

> > Atmakaraka. Retrogression means that the resuts

> of the

> karma/fruits

> > thereof associated wih the planet shall not come

> easily. So, a

> simple

> > thing like establishment of the Sri Jagannath

> Center (Jupiter is

> 10th

> > lord in lagna, hence the name) through a legal

> process will

> become

> > difficult and there will be many reversals.

> Chesta bala means

> that I

> > will be tested again and again, and yet from

> somewhere i shall

> have

> > the strength and tenacity to try again and

> again. Narasimha has

> > suggested that I do the Sani gayatri for the

> fruits - good advise

> no

> > doubt, but you have to note that Saturn is AK

> and a simple graha

> > gayatri does not vibe with me. For me saturn

> represents the

> > individual atma and the Ista is Mercury in 2nd

> drekkana

> > (Krishna/Jagannath), so the remedy is to keep

> trying and remember

> > that Krishna will surely smile down one day. I

> hope this explains

> the

> > chesta bala and since this is associated with

> the AK, even if I

> die,

> > I will return to this planet to try again...what

> to speak of the

> > number of attempts I have made in this life.

> Similarly, a

> retrograde

> > Jupiter will indicate one trying very hard for

> matters connected

> with

> > children or wealth. Thus, we are seeing the

> 'nature of the

> planet' to

> > delineate results.

> > >

> > > Now, Parasara says that the planet is full of

> rays like the sun

> > i.e. full of energy. How can a person keep

> trying like 'Robert

> Bruce

> > and the spider-story' if he does not have (a)

> FAITH or (b) ENERGY

> > (read Strength). So, retrograde planets indicate

> a strong faith

> or

> > desire as well as the energy to try for the

> objective.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > ----------------------

> > > Sri Jagannath Center, 71 Vasant Apartments,

> Mayur Vihar Phase-

> 1,

> > New Delhi 110091, Tel: 91-11-2713201, Web:

> http://.org

> > http://srath.com

> > >

> > > schinnas <schinnas>

> [schinnas]

> > > Friday, December 27, 2002 11:00 AM

> > > vedic astrology

> > > [vedic astrology] About retrograde

> planets?

> > >

> > >

> > > vyam vyasa devaya namah.

> > >

> > > Gurus and jyotishis,

> > > Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde

> planets exhibit a

> > > different influence than normal forward moving

> planets. Some

> famous

> > > jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN)

> are of the opinon

> that

> > > retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of

> Jupiter, but

> affects

> > > other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of

> the opinion that

> > natural

> > > benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger

> (or more

> beneficial)

> > > when they are retrograde, while natual

> malefics like Saturn,

> Mars

> > > give more evil results when retrograde.

> > >

> > > My question is since a planet being

> retrograde, etc is

> perception

> > > (not reality) from a geocentric observer (in

> reality planets

> > > maintain their regular orbit), how the effects

> shown by the

> planet

> > > can change?

> > >

> > > Whatever be the case, currently Jupiter is

> both exalted and

>

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Dear Indegenius,

Vakri refers to the motion of the planet-Vakragati.I think now a days every body

is reading too occult meanings in phrases which are in fact statements of facts.

I remember, 45 years back when I started learning astrology,Kuja Dosha and Sade

Sati of saturn were the big thing. Now during last 10 or so years Kala sarpa

Yoga appears to be in fashion.I think all rational thinkers and seekers of

truth need to introspect.

I am just a student of astrology and if my comments offend any body, I seek pardon in advance.

Chandrashekhar.

-

">indigenius <indigenius (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

vedic astrology

Sunday, December 29, 2002 12:40 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: About retrograde planets?

> Vakri and retrograde are synonymous.I know that already. What I don't

understand is why a planet with a lot of strength is being called a "Vakri",

when being vakri is nothing to be proud of.My confustion stems from the fact

that most of the time, the sanskrit words have a deep link with the

astrological significance (for example, "Bhava" is a lot different from

"House", "Graha" is different from "Planet" and "Neech" is different from

"Debilitated". While these pairs make sense, that is, the sanskrit word does

indeed relate to the astrological significance in some deep manner, all vakri

seems to indicate is that the planet's path is bent, or distorted, or does not

follow the normal ways. I am unable to accept the fact that this is all that

the ancient seers meant to convey, and in fact, the word "vakri" relates to the

astrological significations in more subtle ways).--- In

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear

Indegenius,> Vakri and retrograde are synonymous.> Chandrashekhar.> -----

Original Message ----- > indigenius <indigenius> > To:

vedic astrology > Sunday, December 29, 2002 12:16 AM>

[vedic astrology] Re: About retrograde planets?> > > What is the

significance of the sanskrit word "VAKRI"? as far as i > know the word vakri

has not connection with strength, and the only > mythical story i am aware of

is that of Ashtavakra.> > Any body can enlighten on this doubt???> > --- In

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@s...> > wrote:> > >

> > > ~om sri gurave namah~> > Dear Siva,> > Jyotish is all about

perception, not reality. The reality is quite > different. Chesta bala means

strength or ENERGY to try again and > again. For example, in my chart Saturn

the AK and 11th lord > indicating 'the tradition' is retrograde. Saturn

indicates my Jyotish > learning at the level of the atma as it is the 11th

lord in 11th > house. Now, Saturn is retrograde and VERY strict, tough etc.

It > represents the institution or king I wish to establish for the >

purpose of Jyotish, the leader or that which will lead as it is the >

Atmakaraka. Retrogression means that the resuts of the karma/fruits > thereof

associated wih the planet shall not come easily. So, a simple > thing like

establishment of the Sri Jagannath Center (Jupiter is 10th > lord in lagna,

hence the name) through a legal process will become > difficult and there

will be many reversals. Chesta bala means that I > will be tested again and

again, and yet from somewhere i shall have > the strength and tenacity to try

again and again. Narasimha has > suggested that I do the Sani gayatri for the

fruits - good advise no > doubt, but you have to note that Saturn is AK and a

simple graha > gayatri does not vibe with me. For me saturn represents the >

individual atma and the Ista is Mercury in 2nd drekkana > (Krishna/Jagannath),

so the remedy is to keep trying and remember > that Krishna will surely smile

down one day. I hope this explains the > chesta bala and since this is

associated with the AK, even if I die, > I will return to this planet to try

again...what to speak of the > number of attempts I have made in this life.

Similarly, a retrograde > Jupiter will indicate one trying very hard for

matters connected with > children or wealth. Thus, we are seeing the 'nature

of the planet' to > delineate results.> > > > Now, Parasara says that the

planet is full of rays like the sun > i.e. full of energy. How can a person

keep trying like 'Robert Bruce > and the spider-story' if he does not have

(a) FAITH or (b) ENERGY > (read Strength). So, retrograde planets indicate a

strong faith or > desire as well as the energy to try for the objective.> >

> > Best regards,> > Sanjay Rath> > ----------------------> > Sri

Jagannath Center, 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, > New Delhi

110091, Tel: 91-11-2713201, Web: http://.org > http://srath.com >

> > > schinnas <schinnas>

[schinnas]> > Friday, December 27, 2002 11:00 AM> > To:

vedic astrology> > [vedic astrology] About

retrograde planets?> > > > > > vyam vyasa devaya namah.> > > > Gurus

and jyotishis,> > Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde planets

exhibit a > > different influence than normal forward moving planets. Some

famous > > jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) are of the opinon that

> > retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of Jupiter, but affects > >

other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of the opinion that > natural > >

benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger (or more beneficial) > > when

they are retrograde, while natual malefics like Saturn, Mars > > give more

evil results when retrograde.> > > > My question is since a planet being

retrograde, etc is perception > > (not reality) from a geocentric observer

(in reality planets > > maintain their regular orbit), how the effects shown

by the planet > > can change? > > > > Whatever be the case, currently

Jupiter is both exalted and > > retrograde. What will be its disposition? Is

it currently a benefic > > or not?> > > > Thanks,> > Siva.> > > >

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