Guest guest Posted January 1, 1970 Report Share Posted January 1, 1970 pranams all Rather than opinions subject to human error, does anyone have any Jyotish scriptural references from the ancient sages on the various dispositions of planets in retrograde? Or indicate a reference source. Thanks Arthur on 27/12/02 5:30 am, schinnas <schinnas > at schinnas wrote: vyam vyasa devaya namah. Gurus and jyotishis, Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde planets exhibit a different influence than normal forward moving planets. Some famous jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) are of the opinon that retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of Jupiter, but affects other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of the opinion that natural benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger (or more beneficial) when they are retrograde, while natual malefics like Saturn, Mars give more evil results when retrograde. My question is since a planet being retrograde, etc is perception (not reality) from a geocentric observer (in reality planets maintain their regular orbit), how the effects shown by the planet can change? Whatever be the case, currently Jupiter is both exalted and retrograde. What will be its disposition? Is it currently a benefic or not? Thanks, Siva. Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2002 Report Share Posted December 26, 2002 vyam vyasa devaya namah. Gurus and jyotishis, Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde planets exhibit a different influence than normal forward moving planets. Some famous jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) are of the opinon that retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of Jupiter, but affects other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of the opinion that natural benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger (or more beneficial) when they are retrograde, while natual malefics like Saturn, Mars give more evil results when retrograde. My question is since a planet being retrograde, etc is perception (not reality) from a geocentric observer (in reality planets maintain their regular orbit), how the effects shown by the planet can change? Whatever be the case, currently Jupiter is both exalted and retrograde. What will be its disposition? Is it currently a benefic or not? Thanks, Siva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2002 Report Share Posted December 26, 2002 Hi All, These are some questions are really bothering me also. I tried to search on list archive and got two different answers from two gurus. According to shri PVR, he suggested that retrogestion makes person to work hard and result will get after much dealy while shri Sanjay Rath was of the opinion of that retrogation actaully change the state of planet. This was what I can conclude from their mails. Regards Parag --- "schinnas <schinnas" <schinnas wrote: > vyam vyasa devaya namah. > > Gurus and jyotishis, > Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde > planets exhibit a > different influence than normal forward moving > planets. Some famous > jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) are of > the opinon that > retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of > Jupiter, but affects > other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of the > opinion that natural > benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger (or > more beneficial) > when they are retrograde, while natual malefics like > Saturn, Mars > give more evil results when retrograde. > > My question is since a planet being retrograde, etc > is perception > (not reality) from a geocentric observer (in reality > planets > maintain their regular orbit), how the effects shown > by the planet > can change? > > Whatever be the case, currently Jupiter is both > exalted and > retrograde. What will be its disposition? Is it > currently a benefic > or not? > > Thanks, > Siva. > > > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 What is the significance of the sanskrit word "VAKRI"? as far as i know the word vakri has not connection with strength, and the only mythical story i am aware of is that of Ashtavakra. Any body can enlighten on this doubt??? vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@s...> wrote: > > > ~om sri gurave namah~ > Dear Siva, > Jyotish is all about perception, not reality. The reality is quite different. Chesta bala means strength or ENERGY to try again and again. For example, in my chart Saturn the AK and 11th lord indicating 'the tradition' is retrograde. Saturn indicates my Jyotish learning at the level of the atma as it is the 11th lord in 11th house. Now, Saturn is retrograde and VERY strict, tough etc. It represents the institution or king I wish to establish for the purpose of Jyotish, the leader or that which will lead as it is the Atmakaraka. Retrogression means that the resuts of the karma/fruits thereof associated wih the planet shall not come easily. So, a simple thing like establishment of the Sri Jagannath Center (Jupiter is 10th lord in lagna, hence the name) through a legal process will become difficult and there will be many reversals. Chesta bala means that I will be tested again and again, and yet from somewhere i shall have the strength and tenacity to try again and again. Narasimha has suggested that I do the Sani gayatri for the fruits - good advise no doubt, but you have to note that Saturn is AK and a simple graha gayatri does not vibe with me. For me saturn represents the individual atma and the Ista is Mercury in 2nd drekkana (Krishna/Jagannath), so the remedy is to keep trying and remember that Krishna will surely smile down one day. I hope this explains the chesta bala and since this is associated with the AK, even if I die, I will return to this planet to try again...what to speak of the number of attempts I have made in this life. Similarly, a retrograde Jupiter will indicate one trying very hard for matters connected with children or wealth. Thus, we are seeing the 'nature of the planet' to delineate results. > > Now, Parasara says that the planet is full of rays like the sun i.e. full of energy. How can a person keep trying like 'Robert Bruce and the spider-story' if he does not have (a) FAITH or (b) ENERGY (read Strength). So, retrograde planets indicate a strong faith or desire as well as the energy to try for the objective. > > Best regards, > Sanjay Rath > ---------------------- > Sri Jagannath Center, 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, Tel: 91-11-2713201, Web: http://.org http://srath.com > > schinnas <schinnas> [schinnas] > Friday, December 27, 2002 11:00 AM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] About retrograde planets? > > > vyam vyasa devaya namah. > > Gurus and jyotishis, > Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde planets exhibit a > different influence than normal forward moving planets. Some famous > jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) are of the opinon that > retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of Jupiter, but affects > other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of the opinion that natural > benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger (or more beneficial) > when they are retrograde, while natual malefics like Saturn, Mars > give more evil results when retrograde. > > My question is since a planet being retrograde, etc is perception > (not reality) from a geocentric observer (in reality planets > maintain their regular orbit), how the effects shown by the planet > can change? > > Whatever be the case, currently Jupiter is both exalted and > retrograde. What will be its disposition? Is it currently a benefic > or not? > > Thanks, > Siva. > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 Dear Indegenius, Vakri and retrograde are synonymous. Chandrashekhar. - ">indigenius <indigenius (AT) (DOT) co.uk> vedic astrology Sunday, December 29, 2002 12:16 AM [vedic astrology] Re: About retrograde planets? What is the significance of the sanskrit word "VAKRI"? as far as i know the word vakri has not connection with strength, and the only mythical story i am aware of is that of Ashtavakra.Any body can enlighten on this doubt???--- In vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@s...> wrote:> > > ~om sri gurave namah~> Dear Siva,> Jyotish is all about perception, not reality. The reality is quite different. Chesta bala means strength or ENERGY to try again and again. For example, in my chart Saturn the AK and 11th lord indicating 'the tradition' is retrograde. Saturn indicates my Jyotish learning at the level of the atma as it is the 11th lord in 11th house. Now, Saturn is retrograde and VERY strict, tough etc. It represents the institution or king I wish to establish for the purpose of Jyotish, the leader or that which will lead as it is the Atmakaraka. Retrogression means that the resuts of the karma/fruits thereof associated wih the planet shall not come easily. So, a simple thing like establishment of the Sri Jagannath Center (Jupiter is 10th lord in lagna, hence the name) through a legal process will become difficult and there will be many reversals. Chesta bala means that I will be tested again and again, and yet from somewhere i shall have the strength and tenacity to try again and again. Narasimha has suggested that I do the Sani gayatri for the fruits - good advise no doubt, but you have to note that Saturn is AK and a simple graha gayatri does not vibe with me. For me saturn represents the individual atma and the Ista is Mercury in 2nd drekkana (Krishna/Jagannath), so the remedy is to keep trying and remember that Krishna will surely smile down one day. I hope this explains the chesta bala and since this is associated with the AK, even if I die, I will return to this planet to try again...what to speak of the number of attempts I have made in this life. Similarly, a retrograde Jupiter will indicate one trying very hard for matters connected with children or wealth. Thus, we are seeing the 'nature of the planet' to delineate results.> > Now, Parasara says that the planet is full of rays like the sun i.e. full of energy. How can a person keep trying like 'Robert Bruce and the spider-story' if he does not have (a) FAITH or (b) ENERGY (read Strength). So, retrograde planets indicate a strong faith or desire as well as the energy to try for the objective.> > Best regards,> Sanjay Rath> ----------------------> Sri Jagannath Center, 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, Tel: 91-11-2713201, Web: http://.org http://srath.com > > schinnas <schinnas> [schinnas]> Friday, December 27, 2002 11:00 AM> vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] About retrograde planets?> > > vyam vyasa devaya namah.> > Gurus and jyotishis,> Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde planets exhibit a > different influence than normal forward moving planets. Some famous > jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) are of the opinon that > retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of Jupiter, but affects > other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of the opinion that natural > benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger (or more beneficial) > when they are retrograde, while natual malefics like Saturn, Mars > give more evil results when retrograde.> > My question is since a planet being retrograde, etc is perception > (not reality) from a geocentric observer (in reality planets > maintain their regular orbit), how the effects shown by the planet > can change? > > Whatever be the case, currently Jupiter is both exalted and > retrograde. What will be its disposition? Is it currently a benefic > or not?> > Thanks,> Siva.> > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 Vyam Vyasa-Devaya Namah. Guruji, Thank you again for the explanation. It also throws light into understanding Chesta bala. Your post was rich in its deep meaning and I had to read it twice to fully grasp it. However, still some confusion persists in my mind. Retrogression makes the person to be persistent in his efforts towards ahieving the objective(s) shown by the graha. The chesta bala also indicates the energy and persistence the native will show in his efforts. 1. However, grahas like Rahu/Ketu are perpetually retrograde, and they stand for opposite things. What does this tell us? Or the rules of retrogression dont apply to nodes which are virtual grahas? Reg effects of retrograde Jupiter, I witnessed what you said in the chart of a relative who has debilitated and retrograde Jupiter. She had to struggle very very hard for children (she had Ketu in 5th aswell) and finally succeeded after lots of remedies, prayers and medical assistence. Jupiter is lord of 2nd and 11th houses for her and the effects of debilitated retrograde jupiter were evident in her family life and wealth as well. She is even facing a divorce from her husband now. All this happened during her Jupiter vimshottari mahadasa. 2. On the other hand, doesnt an _exalted_ jupiter reduce the effects of retrogression and bless the native without making him/her struggle for it? Thanks, Siva. vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@s...> wrote: > > > ~om sri gurave namah~ > Dear Siva, > Jyotish is all about perception, not reality. The reality is quite different. Chesta bala means strength or ENERGY to try again and again. For example, in my chart Saturn the AK and 11th lord indicating 'the tradition' is retrograde. Saturn indicates my Jyotish learning at the level of the atma as it is the 11th lord in 11th house. Now, Saturn is retrograde and VERY strict, tough etc. It represents the institution or king I wish to establish for the purpose of Jyotish, the leader or that which will lead as it is the Atmakaraka. Retrogression means that the resuts of the karma/fruits thereof associated wih the planet shall not come easily. So, a simple thing like establishment of the Sri Jagannath Center (Jupiter is 10th lord in lagna, hence the name) through a legal process will become difficult and there will be many reversals. Chesta bala means that I will be tested again and again, and yet from somewhere i shall have the strength and tenacity to try again and again. Narasimha has suggested that I do the Sani gayatri for the fruits - good advise no doubt, but you have to note that Saturn is AK and a simple graha gayatri does not vibe with me. For me saturn represents the individual atma and the Ista is Mercury in 2nd drekkana (Krishna/Jagannath), so the remedy is to keep trying and remember that Krishna will surely smile down one day. I hope this explains the chesta bala and since this is associated with the AK, even if I die, I will return to this planet to try again...what to speak of the number of attempts I have made in this life. Similarly, a retrograde Jupiter will indicate one trying very hard for matters connected with children or wealth. Thus, we are seeing the 'nature of the planet' to delineate results. > > Now, Parasara says that the planet is full of rays like the sun i.e. full of energy. How can a person keep trying like 'Robert Bruce and the spider-story' if he does not have (a) FAITH or (b) ENERGY (read Strength). So, retrograde planets indicate a strong faith or desire as well as the energy to try for the objective. > > Best regards, > Sanjay Rath > ---------------------- > Sri Jagannath Center, 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, Tel: 91-11-2713201, Web: http://.org http://srath.com > > schinnas <schinnas> [schinnas] > Friday, December 27, 2002 11:00 AM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] About retrograde planets? > > > vyam vyasa devaya namah. > > Gurus and jyotishis, > Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde planets exhibit a > different influence than normal forward moving planets. Some famous > jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) are of the opinon that > retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of Jupiter, but affects > other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of the opinion that natural > benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger (or more beneficial) > when they are retrograde, while natual malefics like Saturn, Mars > give more evil results when retrograde. > > My question is since a planet being retrograde, etc is perception > (not reality) from a geocentric observer (in reality planets > maintain their regular orbit), how the effects shown by the planet > can change? > > Whatever be the case, currently Jupiter is both exalted and > retrograde. What will be its disposition? Is it currently a benefic > or not? > > Thanks, > Siva. > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 > Vakri and retrograde are synonymous. I know that already. What I don't understand is why a planet with a lot of strength is being called a "Vakri", when being vakri is nothing to be proud of. My confustion stems from the fact that most of the time, the sanskrit words have a deep link with the astrological significance (for example, "Bhava" is a lot different from "House", "Graha" is different from "Planet" and "Neech" is different from "Debilitated". While these pairs make sense, that is, the sanskrit word does indeed relate to the astrological significance in some deep manner, all vakri seems to indicate is that the planet's path is bent, or distorted, or does not follow the normal ways. I am unable to accept the fact that this is all that the ancient seers meant to convey, and in fact, the word "vakri" relates to the astrological significations in more subtle ways). vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Indegenius, > Vakri and retrograde are synonymous. > Chandrashekhar. > - > indigenius <indigenius> > vedic astrology > Sunday, December 29, 2002 12:16 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: About retrograde planets? > > > What is the significance of the sanskrit word "VAKRI"? as far as i > know the word vakri has not connection with strength, and the only > mythical story i am aware of is that of Ashtavakra. > > Any body can enlighten on this doubt??? > > vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@s...> > wrote: > > > > > > ~om sri gurave namah~ > > Dear Siva, > > Jyotish is all about perception, not reality. The reality is quite > different. Chesta bala means strength or ENERGY to try again and > again. For example, in my chart Saturn the AK and 11th lord > indicating 'the tradition' is retrograde. Saturn indicates my Jyotish > learning at the level of the atma as it is the 11th lord in 11th > house. Now, Saturn is retrograde and VERY strict, tough etc. It > represents the institution or king I wish to establish for the > purpose of Jyotish, the leader or that which will lead as it is the > Atmakaraka. Retrogression means that the resuts of the karma/fruits > thereof associated wih the planet shall not come easily. So, a simple > thing like establishment of the Sri Jagannath Center (Jupiter is 10th > lord in lagna, hence the name) through a legal process will become > difficult and there will be many reversals. Chesta bala means that I > will be tested again and again, and yet from somewhere i shall have > the strength and tenacity to try again and again. Narasimha has > suggested that I do the Sani gayatri for the fruits - good advise no > doubt, but you have to note that Saturn is AK and a simple graha > gayatri does not vibe with me. For me saturn represents the > individual atma and the Ista is Mercury in 2nd drekkana > (Krishna/Jagannath), so the remedy is to keep trying and remember > that Krishna will surely smile down one day. I hope this explains the > chesta bala and since this is associated with the AK, even if I die, > I will return to this planet to try again...what to speak of the > number of attempts I have made in this life. Similarly, a retrograde > Jupiter will indicate one trying very hard for matters connected with > children or wealth. Thus, we are seeing the 'nature of the planet' to > delineate results. > > > > Now, Parasara says that the planet is full of rays like the sun > i.e. full of energy. How can a person keep trying like 'Robert Bruce > and the spider-story' if he does not have (a) FAITH or (b) ENERGY > (read Strength). So, retrograde planets indicate a strong faith or > desire as well as the energy to try for the objective. > > > > Best regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > ---------------------- > > Sri Jagannath Center, 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase- 1, > New Delhi 110091, Tel: 91-11-2713201, Web: http://.org > http://srath.com > > > > schinnas <schinnas> [schinnas] > > Friday, December 27, 2002 11:00 AM > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] About retrograde planets? > > > > > > vyam vyasa devaya namah. > > > > Gurus and jyotishis, > > Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde planets exhibit a > > different influence than normal forward moving planets. Some famous > > jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) are of the opinon that > > retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of Jupiter, but affects > > other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of the opinion that > natural > > benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger (or more beneficial) > > when they are retrograde, while natual malefics like Saturn, Mars > > give more evil results when retrograde. > > > > My question is since a planet being retrograde, etc is perception > > (not reality) from a geocentric observer (in reality planets > > maintain their regular orbit), how the effects shown by the planet > > can change? > > > > Whatever be the case, currently Jupiter is both exalted and > > retrograde. What will be its disposition? Is it currently a benefic > > or not? > > > > Thanks, > > Siva. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 Dear indigenius "Vakri" is the word for the motion of the planet. What I can conclude that you are trying to say that "Vakri" planet should be of less power (because of different type of motion as it appears to us)is surely not right as many times many Gurus has explanied that "Vakri" planet has high chesta bala.Since it is relatively close to earth than planets which are in direct motion at that time. Also same phenomenan has explanied in various books thro' which you can go. On the contarary some astrologers do think that "Vakri" natural benefic planets become more strong. (This point can be debated for ever) BTW you sighted the example of AshtaVakra... But do you know the next story.... Indra(King of God)had laughed on the body shape of AsthaVakra (AsthaVakra literly means bend in body from eight angles)and AsthaVakra cursed the Indra to have thousands pores allover his body(thats why another name of Indra is "ShastraRandhra") Thats the power of "Vakra" Regards Parag --- "indigenius <indigenius" <indigenius wrote: > > Vakri and retrograde are synonymous. > > I know that already. > > What I don't understand is why a planet with a lot > of strength is > being called a "Vakri", when being vakri is nothing > to be proud of. > > My confustion stems from the fact that most of the > time, the sanskrit > words have a deep link with the astrological > significance (for > example, "Bhava" is a lot different from "House", > "Graha" is > different from "Planet" and "Neech" is different > from "Debilitated". > While these pairs make sense, that is, the sanskrit > word does indeed > relate to the astrological significance in some deep > manner, all > vakri seems to indicate is that the planet's path is > bent, or > distorted, or does not follow the normal ways. I am > unable to accept > the fact that this is all that the ancient seers > meant to convey, and > in fact, the word "vakri" relates to the > astrological significations > in more subtle ways). > > vedic astrology, > "Chandrashekhar" > <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Indegenius, > > Vakri and retrograde are synonymous. > > Chandrashekhar. > > - > > indigenius <indigenius> > > vedic astrology > > Sunday, December 29, 2002 12:16 AM > > [vedic astrology] Re: About retrograde > planets? > > > > > > What is the significance of the sanskrit word > "VAKRI"? as far as > i > > know the word vakri has not connection with > strength, and the > only > > mythical story i am aware of is that of > Ashtavakra. > > > > Any body can enlighten on this doubt??? > > > > vedic astrology, "Sanjay > Rath" > <srath@s...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ~om sri gurave namah~ > > > Dear Siva, > > > Jyotish is all about perception, not reality. > The reality is > quite > > different. Chesta bala means strength or ENERGY > to try again and > > again. For example, in my chart Saturn the AK > and 11th lord > > indicating 'the tradition' is retrograde. Saturn > indicates my > Jyotish > > learning at the level of the atma as it is the > 11th lord in 11th > > house. Now, Saturn is retrograde and VERY > strict, tough etc. It > > represents the institution or king I wish to > establish for the > > purpose of Jyotish, the leader or that which > will lead as it is > the > > Atmakaraka. Retrogression means that the resuts > of the > karma/fruits > > thereof associated wih the planet shall not come > easily. So, a > simple > > thing like establishment of the Sri Jagannath > Center (Jupiter is > 10th > > lord in lagna, hence the name) through a legal > process will > become > > difficult and there will be many reversals. > Chesta bala means > that I > > will be tested again and again, and yet from > somewhere i shall > have > > the strength and tenacity to try again and > again. Narasimha has > > suggested that I do the Sani gayatri for the > fruits - good advise > no > > doubt, but you have to note that Saturn is AK > and a simple graha > > gayatri does not vibe with me. For me saturn > represents the > > individual atma and the Ista is Mercury in 2nd > drekkana > > (Krishna/Jagannath), so the remedy is to keep > trying and remember > > that Krishna will surely smile down one day. I > hope this explains > the > > chesta bala and since this is associated with > the AK, even if I > die, > > I will return to this planet to try again...what > to speak of the > > number of attempts I have made in this life. > Similarly, a > retrograde > > Jupiter will indicate one trying very hard for > matters connected > with > > children or wealth. Thus, we are seeing the > 'nature of the > planet' to > > delineate results. > > > > > > Now, Parasara says that the planet is full of > rays like the sun > > i.e. full of energy. How can a person keep > trying like 'Robert > Bruce > > and the spider-story' if he does not have (a) > FAITH or (b) ENERGY > > (read Strength). So, retrograde planets indicate > a strong faith > or > > desire as well as the energy to try for the > objective. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Sanjay Rath > > > ---------------------- > > > Sri Jagannath Center, 71 Vasant Apartments, > Mayur Vihar Phase- > 1, > > New Delhi 110091, Tel: 91-11-2713201, Web: > http://.org > > http://srath.com > > > > > > schinnas <schinnas> > [schinnas] > > > Friday, December 27, 2002 11:00 AM > > > vedic astrology > > > [vedic astrology] About retrograde > planets? > > > > > > > > > vyam vyasa devaya namah. > > > > > > Gurus and jyotishis, > > > Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde > planets exhibit a > > > different influence than normal forward moving > planets. Some > famous > > > jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) > are of the opinon > that > > > retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of > Jupiter, but > affects > > > other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of > the opinion that > > natural > > > benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger > (or more > beneficial) > > > when they are retrograde, while natual > malefics like Saturn, > Mars > > > give more evil results when retrograde. > > > > > > My question is since a planet being > retrograde, etc is > perception > > > (not reality) from a geocentric observer (in > reality planets > > > maintain their regular orbit), how the effects > shown by the > planet > > > can change? > > > > > > Whatever be the case, currently Jupiter is > both exalted and > === message truncated === Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2002 Report Share Posted December 29, 2002 Dear Indegenius, Vakri refers to the motion of the planet-Vakragati.I think now a days every body is reading too occult meanings in phrases which are in fact statements of facts. I remember, 45 years back when I started learning astrology,Kuja Dosha and Sade Sati of saturn were the big thing. Now during last 10 or so years Kala sarpa Yoga appears to be in fashion.I think all rational thinkers and seekers of truth need to introspect. I am just a student of astrology and if my comments offend any body, I seek pardon in advance. Chandrashekhar. - ">indigenius <indigenius (AT) (DOT) co.uk> vedic astrology Sunday, December 29, 2002 12:40 PM [vedic astrology] Re: About retrograde planets? > Vakri and retrograde are synonymous.I know that already. What I don't understand is why a planet with a lot of strength is being called a "Vakri", when being vakri is nothing to be proud of.My confustion stems from the fact that most of the time, the sanskrit words have a deep link with the astrological significance (for example, "Bhava" is a lot different from "House", "Graha" is different from "Planet" and "Neech" is different from "Debilitated". While these pairs make sense, that is, the sanskrit word does indeed relate to the astrological significance in some deep manner, all vakri seems to indicate is that the planet's path is bent, or distorted, or does not follow the normal ways. I am unable to accept the fact that this is all that the ancient seers meant to convey, and in fact, the word "vakri" relates to the astrological significations in more subtle ways).--- In vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Indegenius,> Vakri and retrograde are synonymous.> Chandrashekhar.> ----- Original Message ----- > indigenius <indigenius> > To: vedic astrology > Sunday, December 29, 2002 12:16 AM> [vedic astrology] Re: About retrograde planets?> > > What is the significance of the sanskrit word "VAKRI"? as far as i > know the word vakri has not connection with strength, and the only > mythical story i am aware of is that of Ashtavakra.> > Any body can enlighten on this doubt???> > --- In vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@s...> > wrote:> > > > > > ~om sri gurave namah~> > Dear Siva,> > Jyotish is all about perception, not reality. The reality is quite > different. Chesta bala means strength or ENERGY to try again and > again. For example, in my chart Saturn the AK and 11th lord > indicating 'the tradition' is retrograde. Saturn indicates my Jyotish > learning at the level of the atma as it is the 11th lord in 11th > house. Now, Saturn is retrograde and VERY strict, tough etc. It > represents the institution or king I wish to establish for the > purpose of Jyotish, the leader or that which will lead as it is the > Atmakaraka. Retrogression means that the resuts of the karma/fruits > thereof associated wih the planet shall not come easily. So, a simple > thing like establishment of the Sri Jagannath Center (Jupiter is 10th > lord in lagna, hence the name) through a legal process will become > difficult and there will be many reversals. Chesta bala means that I > will be tested again and again, and yet from somewhere i shall have > the strength and tenacity to try again and again. Narasimha has > suggested that I do the Sani gayatri for the fruits - good advise no > doubt, but you have to note that Saturn is AK and a simple graha > gayatri does not vibe with me. For me saturn represents the > individual atma and the Ista is Mercury in 2nd drekkana > (Krishna/Jagannath), so the remedy is to keep trying and remember > that Krishna will surely smile down one day. I hope this explains the > chesta bala and since this is associated with the AK, even if I die, > I will return to this planet to try again...what to speak of the > number of attempts I have made in this life. Similarly, a retrograde > Jupiter will indicate one trying very hard for matters connected with > children or wealth. Thus, we are seeing the 'nature of the planet' to > delineate results.> > > > Now, Parasara says that the planet is full of rays like the sun > i.e. full of energy. How can a person keep trying like 'Robert Bruce > and the spider-story' if he does not have (a) FAITH or (b) ENERGY > (read Strength). So, retrograde planets indicate a strong faith or > desire as well as the energy to try for the objective.> > > > Best regards,> > Sanjay Rath> > ----------------------> > Sri Jagannath Center, 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, > New Delhi 110091, Tel: 91-11-2713201, Web: http://.org > http://srath.com > > > > schinnas <schinnas> [schinnas]> > Friday, December 27, 2002 11:00 AM> > To: vedic astrology> > [vedic astrology] About retrograde planets?> > > > > > vyam vyasa devaya namah.> > > > Gurus and jyotishis,> > Some gurus are of the opinion that retrograde planets exhibit a > > different influence than normal forward moving planets. Some famous > > jyptish gurus (Eg. A.M. Rajagopalan of TN) are of the opinon that > > retrograde motion doesnt affect the effects of Jupiter, but affects > > other planets. some like Ranjan Bose are of the opinion that > natural > > benefics like Venus and Jupiter get stronger (or more beneficial) > > when they are retrograde, while natual malefics like Saturn, Mars > > give more evil results when retrograde.> > > > My question is since a planet being retrograde, etc is perception > > (not reality) from a geocentric observer (in reality planets > > maintain their regular orbit), how the effects shown by the planet > > can change? > > > > Whatever be the case, currently Jupiter is both exalted and > > retrograde. What will be its disposition? Is it currently a benefic > > or not?> > > > Thanks,> > Siva.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > ....... 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