Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas-to Visti

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Hi Visti,

 

According to Hart deFouw, author of Light on Life, he

cites the exact same combinations, calssically, that I

mentioned; his source (and mine) is the Phaladeepika.

 

Thanks.

 

Salaam,

Mu

--- Visti Larsen <vishnu wrote:

> Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

>

>

--

>

> Dear Mu,

> Please refer to the classic where Pancha Mahapurusha

> Yogas are formed in trines to lagna, or in kendra or

> trine to Sun or Moon.

>

> You'll find that no classic does so, merely because

> its only formed in kendra to Lagna only. The other

> placements give similar effects, but do not make the

> native a Mahapurusha, which is implied by the Yoga.

>

> Best wishes

> Visti

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> Friday, November 22, 2002 5:58 AM

> [vedic astrology] Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas

>

>

> >

> > Hi Bhatt, All,

> >

> > Very good post/question here. I will try to

> address

> > it.

> >

> > Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are in the class of

> > combinations that are known as Raj Yogas - those

> > combinations of planets, houses and signs that

> denote

> > above-success in virtually all areas of life.

> >

> > The PMPYs exist when any one of Mars, Mercury,

> > Jupiter, Venus or Saturn occupies its own or

> > exaltation sign while at the same time is placed

> in an

> > angular or trinal house from the Asc. It is

> > recommended that it also be seen in the same

> position

> > from the Moon and Sun - this is the classical view

> -

> > and the same planets checked in the Navamsa for

> > strength as well.

> >

> > I have found that the same can be said to be true

> if

> > the PMPY planet in question is seen from the AK as

> per

> > the Jaimini system, and/or, from the perspective

> of

> > the Asc Lord. While neither of these two are

> > considered in the classical literature, I have

> seen

> > such situations to hold true in actual practice.

> >

> > Because so many people can be born with Saturn

> > exalted, or say, Jupiter in Pisces, we have to

> very

> > careful to check and double check the chart for

> the

> > multiple occurrance of PMPY from all 3 primary

> > Ascendants. And even then, one has to be careful

> that

> > the planet(s) are not combust, or aspected or

> > associated with malefics. Such conditions, once

> one

> > takes the time to seek all of this out, is

> relatively

> > rare.

> >

> > I have in my possession, two charts which

> illustrate

> > the points I make very clearly. Both are females,

> and

> > here is their data:

> >

> > Hamsa Yoga Female

> > Dec 31, 1975

> > 6:45am EST

> > Philadelphia, PA

> > USA

> > Asc 5 Sag 37, Lahiri

> >

> > Bhadra Yoga Female

> > Oct 11, 1970

> > 12:05am EDT

> > Philadelphia, PA

> > USA

> > Asc 29 Gem 24, Lahiri

> >

> > Now...

> >

> > The HYF has Jupiter in very good position from all

> > three Lagnas: note the Jupiter in Pisces in the

> 4th,

> > with the Sun and Moon in the Asc all in Sag.

> Jupiter

> > is also well placed because it is in Mercury's

> star,

> > and is the Asc Lord to boot. But note its position

> in

> > the Navamsa, debilitated and aspected by Rahu.

> > Therefore, while this female did indeed exhibit

> some

> > of what we would come to expect from Hamsa Yoga,

> she

> > did not do so in full due to the problems Jupiter

> > represents. Further, this lady does not get

> Jupiter

> > Dasa until her mid-60s.

> >

> > The BYF also has her Asc Lord playing the role of

> PMPY

> > - but note that Mercury here is severly hampered

> by

> > its being hemmed in by Mars and the Sun. Further,

> > Mercury is in the 8th from the Moon. She had her

> > Mercury Dasa beginning in her 24th year, back in

> 1994.

> > During this time, she experienced all manner of

> > problems, including an abortion due to an

> adulterous

> > affair, spousal abuse from her live-in

> > boyfriend/common law husband, and her daughter was

> > sexually molested by one of her boyfriends

> buddies.

> > Note how Mercury is also in the 6th from the AK

> Saturn

> > and that Mercury also rules a weakened Asc; Mars

> in

> > this chart, due to it belonging to a female, gives

> > rise to Kuja Dosha; Mercury rules the 5th from the

> > Moon and is placed in the 8th from the Moon of

> Sexual

> > Issues. Note how Saturn and Rahu both aspect the

> Asc,

> > and Mars associates with Mars, the single worst

> planet

> > for a Gemini Asc. Right now, she is about to go

> into

> > Mercury/Mars, beginning in Jan 2003, to followed

> up by

> > Mercury/Rahu in Dec 2003. Finally, note that she

> also

> > have to contend with Mercury/Saturn in Oct of

> 2008.

> > None of this suggests a smooth ride.

> >

> > If you look at the charts of immensely successful

> > people, you will tend to notice that they not only

> > have strong PMPY planets in the Rasi from the view

> of

> > all of the Ascendants, but those same planets very

> > often are strengthened in the Navamsa, AND their

> > planetary periods tend to run at the appropriate

> > times.

> >

> > Just a few thoughts.

> >

> > Salaam,

> > Mu

> > --- vrkodarbhatt <vrkodarbhatt wrote:

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > I often get confused what the efect of a PMP

> yoga

> > > would bestow, give

> > > the changes in ge, political, demographical

> scenario

> > > since sages'

> > > time.

> > >

> > > My observation says that, if one has a PMP yoga

> > > (should also be

> > > present in the d9 or d60) will make the native

> well

> > > above average,

> > > with good results in all fields.

> > >

> > > Similar case with raja yoga. One needs to have

> > > atleast two good raja

> > > yogas (confirmed in navamsa) to deliver effects

> like

> > > PMP yoga does.

> > >

> > > When determining the yogas the balance of ava

> yogas

> > > and yogas should

> > > be considered.

> > >

> > >

>

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Dear Mr.Mu'min,

Refer to Phaldeepika chapter 6 on yogas from Parashara 2000 bookshelf.

"Planet occuping an angle in own or exaltation sign"

It does not say Kona.

It does say that same can be seen from Moon also.

My understanding is that Panchamahapursha from Lagna, AL,Moon and Sun

would manifest yoga at diffrent levels, like for the self of the person

from Lagna ,for the others from AL,at a mental level from moon and soul

level from sun.

When and for how long they will manifest I can just guess.May be during

the Vimshotarri dashas of concerned mahapursha planets?

Ex.Chart attached.

Sasa yoga from Lagna,Hamsa from Moon and Ruchka from AL and Sun.

Mars Dasa is going on but Ruchka yoga may not be strong as Ketu is the

lord of Scorpio in this chart being at higher degree then mars though

other factors are same.I don't see too much of Ruchka yoga effects in the

youngester.

The learned may please correct me.

With regards,

Jagmeet

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Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Mu,

 

Phala Deepika, Adhyaya 6 - Yoga, Sloka 1: "Ruchakabhadrakahamsakamaalavaah

sashashakaa iti panchaya cha keetitaah |

svabhavanochchagatezu chatusthaye ksitisutaadzu taan ktramasho vadet ||"

 

Above it reads; the 5 yogas; Ruchaka, Bhadra, Hamsa, Maalavya and Sasa, are

formed in own(svah) exaltation(ocche) placements, in Chastustaya.

 

Now what does chatustaya mean? for this we look to the begining of this work;

 

Adhyaya 1, Sloka 17½:

"praahuvilagnadashasaptachatursthabhaani kendram hi kanathakachatusthayanaamayuvatam||

 

its read: Lagna, 10th, 7th and 4th are the Kendra, Kanataka or Chatustaya bhavas.

 

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

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Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:16 PM

[vedic astrology] Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas-to Visti

Hi Visti,According to Hart deFouw, author of Light on Life, hecites the exact

same combinations, calssically, that Imentioned; his source (and mine) is the

Phaladeepika.Thanks.Salaam,Mu--- Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote:> Om Jum

Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om>

>-->

> Dear Mu,> Please refer to the classic where Pancha Mahapurusha> Yogas are

formed in trines to lagna, or in kendra or> trine to Sun or Moon.> > You'll

find that no classic does so, merely because> its only formed in kendra to

Lagna only. The other> placements give similar effects, but do not make the>

native a Mahapurusha, which is implied by the Yoga.> > Best wishes> Visti> --->

Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> Brihat Parasara Hora

Shastra:>vedic astrologybphs.zip> iTRANS

99 Font:>http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html> -----

Original Message ----- > "Mu'Min Bey" <mumin_bey >> To:

<vedic astrology>> Friday, November 22, 2002 5:58 AM>

[vedic astrology] Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas> > > > > > Hi Bhatt, All,>

> > > Very good post/question here. I will try to> address> > it.> > > > Pancha

Maha Purusha Yogas are in the class of> > combinations that are known as Raj

Yogas - those> > combinations of planets, houses and signs that> denote> >

above-success in virtually all areas of life. > > > > The PMPYs exist when any

one of Mars, Mercury,> > Jupiter, Venus or Saturn occupies its own or> >

exaltation sign while at the same time is placed> in an> > angular or trinal

house from the Asc. It is> > recommended that it also be seen in the same>

position> > from the Moon and Sun - this is the classical view> -> > and the

same planets checked in the Navamsa for> > strength as well. > > > > I have

found that the same can be said to be true> if> > the PMPY planet in question

is seen from the AK as> per> > the Jaimini system, and/or, from the

perspective> of> > the Asc Lord. While neither of these two are> > considered

in the classical literature, I have> seen> > such situations to hold true in

actual practice. > > > > Because so many people can be born with Saturn> >

exalted, or say, Jupiter in Pisces, we have to> very> > careful to check and

double check the chart for> the> > multiple occurrance of PMPY from all 3

primary> > Ascendants. And even then, one has to be careful> that> > the

planet(s) are not combust, or aspected or> > associated with malefics. Such

conditions, once> one> > takes the time to seek all of this out, is>

relatively> > rare. > > > > I have in my possession, two charts which>

illustrate> > the points I make very clearly. Both are females,> and> > here is

their data:> > > > Hamsa Yoga Female> > Dec 31, 1975> > 6:45am EST> >

Philadelphia, PA> > USA> > Asc 5 Sag 37, Lahiri> > > > Bhadra Yoga Female> >

Oct 11, 1970> > 12:05am EDT> > Philadelphia, PA> > USA> > Asc 29 Gem 24,

Lahiri> > > > Now...> > > > The HYF has Jupiter in very good position from all>

> three Lagnas: note the Jupiter in Pisces in the> 4th,> > with the Sun and Moon

in the Asc all in Sag.> Jupiter> > is also well placed because it is in

Mercury's> star,> > and is the Asc Lord to boot. But note its position> in> >

the Navamsa, debilitated and aspected by Rahu.> > Therefore, while this female

did indeed exhibit> some> > of what we would come to expect from Hamsa Yoga,>

she> > did not do so in full due to the problems Jupiter> > represents.

Further, this lady does not get> Jupiter> > Dasa until her mid-60s. > > > > The

BYF also has her Asc Lord playing the role of> PMPY> > - but note that Mercury

here is severly hampered> by> > its being hemmed in by Mars and the Sun.

Further,> > Mercury is in the 8th from the Moon. She had her> > Mercury Dasa

beginning in her 24th year, back in> 1994.> > During this time, she experienced

all manner of> > problems, including an abortion due to an> adulterous> >

affair, spousal abuse from her live-in> > boyfriend/common law husband, and her

daughter was> > sexually molested by one of her boyfriends> buddies.> > Note how

Mercury is also in the 6th from the AK> Saturn> > and that Mercury also rules a

weakened Asc; Mars> in> > this chart, due to it belonging to a female, gives> >

rise to Kuja Dosha; Mercury rules the 5th from the> > Moon and is placed in the

8th from the Moon of> Sexual> > Issues. Note how Saturn and Rahu both aspect

the> Asc,> > and Mars associates with Mars, the single worst> planet> > for a

Gemini Asc. Right now, she is about to go> into> > Mercury/Mars, beginning in

Jan 2003, to followed> up by> > Mercury/Rahu in Dec 2003. Finally, note that

she> also> > have to contend with Mercury/Saturn in Oct of> 2008.> > None of

this suggests a smooth ride. > > > > If you look at the charts of immensely

successful> > people, you will tend to notice that they not only> > have strong

PMPY planets in the Rasi from the view> of> > all of the Ascendants, but those

same planets very> > often are strengthened in the Navamsa, AND their> >

planetary periods tend to run at the appropriate> > times. > > > > Just a few

thoughts.> > > > Salaam,> > Mu> > --- vrkodarbhatt <vrkodarbhatt >

wrote:> > > Hi > > > > > > I often get confused what the efect of a PMP> yoga>

> > would bestow, give > > > the changes in ge, political, demographical>

scenario> > > since sages' > > > time.> > > > > > My observation says that, if

one has a PMP yoga> > > (should also be > > > present in the d9 or d60) will

make the native> well> > > above average, > > > with good results in all

fields.> > > > > > Similar case with raja yoga. One needs to have> > > atleast

two good raja > > > yogas (confirmed in navamsa) to deliver effects> like> > >

PMP yoga does.> > > > > > When determining the yogas the balance of ava> yogas>

> > and yogas should > > > be considered.> > > > > > > === message truncated

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Dear Jagmeet,

The placements from Sun, Moon and Arudha Lagna are fortunate placements, but the

Maha Purusha Yoga is from Lagna. Here its very important to understand the

results of this Yoga as Parasara has described them. With those given results,

there should be no doubt that these Yogas result from Lagna.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:55 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas-to Visti

Dear Mr.Mu'min,Refer to Phaldeepika chapter 6 on yogas from Parashara 2000

bookshelf."Planet occuping an angle in own or exaltation sign"It does not say

Kona.It does say that same can be seen from Moon also.My understanding is that

Panchamahapursha from Lagna, AL,Moon and Sunwould manifest yoga at diffrent

levels, like for the self of the personfrom Lagna ,for the others from AL,at a

mental level from moon and soullevel from sun.When and for how long they will

manifest I can just guess.May be duringthe Vimshotarri dashas of concerned

mahapursha planets? Ex.Chart attached.Sasa yoga from Lagna,Hamsa from Moon and

Ruchka from AL and Sun.Mars Dasa is going on but Ruchka yoga may not be strong

as Ketu is thelord of Scorpio in this chart being at higher degree then mars

thoughother factors are same.I don't see too much of Ruchka yoga effects in

theyoungester.The learned may please correct me.With regards,Jagmeet Archives:

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Dear Visti Ji,

 

Thanks for the explanation.I will check up the BPHS.

But the following Sloka 4 of Adhyaya 6 of Phaldeepika by Shri V S Sastri still

confounds me.'Just as these five yogas arise when reckoned from the Lagna,

similarly they are possible when counted even from the Moon's place.'

 

With regards,

Jagmeet

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Namaste Jagmeet ji,

 

> Dear Visti Ji,

>

> Thanks for the explanation.I will check up the BPHS.

> But the following Sloka 4 of Adhyaya 6 of Phaldeepika by Shri V S

Sastri

> still confounds me.'Just as these five yogas arise when reckoned

from the

> Lagna, similarly they are possible when counted even from the Moon's

> place.'

>

> With regards,

> Jagmeet

 

It is merely his view. There is nothing in the stanza that grants the

extension of this to Chandra lagna. It does not mention the reference

and only says "quadrants". When no reference is mentioned, the

default reference is lagna. If the yoga can be reckoned from Chandra

lagna also, it would've been mentioned explicitly.

 

In any case, extending the yoga to trines is just ridiculous.

Quadrants were explicitly mentioned. Neither Parasara nor Mantreswara

mentioned trines at all. This is the fanciful imagination of some

astrologers and a clear stretch.

 

Neither Sastri nor deFouw (sp?) is an authority. What Mu'Min

mentioned below is totally wrong.

 

> > The PMPYs exist when any one of Mars, Mercury,

> > Jupiter, Venus or Saturn occupies its own or

> > exaltation sign while at the same time is placed

> in an

> > angular or trinal house from the Asc. It is

> > recommended that it also be seen in the same

> position

> > from the Moon and Sun - this is the classical view

 

This is merely the view of some modern astrologers who have a

fanciful imagination and most certainly not "the classical view" as

claimed. The view granted by classics is that the planet has to be in

a quadrant in own/exaltation sign. Period.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

PVR

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Dear Narasimha Ji,

Thanks for clarifying.

With regards,

Jagmeet

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagmeet,

The Phaldeepika that Visti refers to is the one written by Mantreshwar a.k.a.

Markendeya Bhattadri. You are probably reffering to a translation or commentary

by V.S. Shastry and the variation indicated by Mr. Shastry could be his own

interpretation. It is not part of Phaldeepika. What Visti is stated about Panch

Mahapurusha Yoga is the correct position.

Chandrashekhar.

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vedic astrology

Wednesday, November 27, 2002 4:23 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas-to Visti

Dear Visti Ji,

 

Thanks for the explanation.I will check up the BPHS.

But the following Sloka 4 of Adhyaya 6 of Phaldeepika by Shri V S Sastri still

confounds me.'Just as these five yogas arise when reckoned from the Lagna,

similarly they are possible when counted even from the Moon's place.'

 

With regards,

Jagmeet

 

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