Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

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Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Sundeep,

The Karakamsa shows the desires of the jeevatma, namely the individual atma, who

has taken rebirth. In this life, this atma seeks to explore these desires, and

whether it gets todo so or not depends on the relation between Karakamsa and

Lagnaamsa. If theres an ill-relationship between them, i.e. Dwadasi(2/12) or

Shaashtaka(6/8), the native(lagnaamsa) may not work in a direction to fulfill

the atmas desires.

In case of the latter(6/8), this imbalance will cause diseases and such frustrating things.

Whilst in the former(2/12) the native will either attempt to feed that atma as

much as possible, by getting riches, or renounce everything like a sanyasi.

 

In case of Asura Yoga, the planet in 8th should be quite afflicted. Sun, Moon or

Jup in 8th can cause it. Jup being the greatest benefic is more capable, but it

must also be very afflicted by Saturn/Rahu todo so. Also the graha shouldn't

aspect Lagna by rasi dristi.

 

As for the rest of your questions, a more thorough understanding of Jyotish is

needed. For martian lagnas, Lagna-lord in 6th can be a blessing.. those who are

used to fight...

 

Sani in the 9th doesn't cause a fall in dharma, rather it can make one follow a

very strict tradition of Dharma. The downside to this depends on the tradition,

and for this aspects on the 9th house and its lord should be seen.

 

Rahu would cause a fall if any.

Theres more, i recommend that you read the rest of Jaiminis Upadesa.

 

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font:

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vedicastrostudent

vedic astrology

Monday, November 25, 2002 11:58 PM

[vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Hello Gurus, particularly Visti, and others,I am trying to understand Navamsa.

Let me only present a small picture of what I see, and you can tell me where my

error is, or where I should look to get more detail. When I look at my Navamsa

(or rather one possibly rectified version of it - I am an absolute beginner at

this), I see the following:a) From Karakamsa (i.e. sign of Chara Atmakaraka in

Navamsa): This is Pisces. 9th from Pisces is Scorpio. Contains Jupiter, ruler

of Karakamsa and 10th from Karakamsa. Mars is in Virgo - 7 from Karakamsa. This

looks very good - ruler of 1st and 10th in 9th, house of dharma (in the D-9

chart). Seems to point to good dharma? b) From Lagnamsa (i.e. sign of Lagna in

Navamsa): This is Aries. 9th from Aries is Sagittarius. Contains Saturn. Ruler

of 9th (Jupiter) is in 8th (Asura Yoga?). Ruler of 1st and 8th is Mars which is

in Virgo -the 6th. This doesnt look good at all - ruler of 1st in 6th, ruler of

9th in 8th (with Asura Yoga?). Seems to point to fallen dharma?So you can see

the highly contradictory indications when seen from Karakamsa and when seen

from Lagnamsa. How do I go about explaining/resolving the differences? Of

course, I am presenting the above chart only as an example - what I really want

to know is, in general, FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION (other than Ishta-devata

etc) do I use Karakamsa and FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION do I use Lagnamsa?

Both seem to have been given a lot of importance in the articles/books I have

perhaps incompletely read.Thank you,SundeepArchives:

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[Guest guest]

Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Nimmi,

You are clever, work it out. If in doubt read the lesson on Istha devata given

on the Varahamihira list.

 

Do you also know what happens when the AK and Istha Devata are the same planet?

 

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

-

Nimmi Ragavan

vedic astrology

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:06 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on

Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Visti,

 

What about the situation where AK is also lagna lord and lagnaamsa and karakamsa also coincide?

 

Regards,

 

Nimmi

-

Visti Larsen

vedic astrology

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:24 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on

Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Sundeep,

The Karakamsa shows the desires of the jeevatma, namely the individual atma, who

has taken rebirth. In this life, this atma seeks to explore these desires, and

whether it gets todo so or not depends on the relation between Karakamsa and

Lagnaamsa. If theres an ill-relationship between them, i.e. Dwadasi(2/12) or

Shaashtaka(6/8), the native(lagnaamsa) may not work in a direction to fulfill

the atmas desires.

In case of the latter(6/8), this imbalance will cause diseases and such frustrating things.

Whilst in the former(2/12) the native will either attempt to feed that atma as

much as possible, by getting riches, or renounce everything like a sanyasi.

 

In case of Asura Yoga, the planet in 8th should be quite afflicted. Sun, Moon or

Jup in 8th can cause it. Jup being the greatest benefic is more capable, but it

must also be very afflicted by Saturn/Rahu todo so. Also the graha shouldn't

aspect Lagna by rasi dristi.

 

As for the rest of your questions, a more thorough understanding of Jyotish is

needed. For martian lagnas, Lagna-lord in 6th can be a blessing.. those who are

used to fight...

 

Sani in the 9th doesn't cause a fall in dharma, rather it can make one follow a

very strict tradition of Dharma. The downside to this depends on the tradition,

and for this aspects on the 9th house and its lord should be seen.

 

Rahu would cause a fall if any.

Theres more, i recommend that you read the rest of Jaiminis Upadesa.

 

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

-

vedicastrostudent

vedic astrology

Monday, November 25, 2002 11:58 PM

[vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Hello Gurus, particularly Visti, and others,I am trying to understand Navamsa.

Let me only present a small picture of what I see, and you can tell me where my

error is, or where I should look to get more detail. When I look at my Navamsa

(or rather one possibly rectified version of it - I am an absolute beginner at

this), I see the following:a) From Karakamsa (i.e. sign of Chara Atmakaraka in

Navamsa): This is Pisces. 9th from Pisces is Scorpio. Contains Jupiter, ruler

of Karakamsa and 10th from Karakamsa. Mars is in Virgo - 7 from Karakamsa. This

looks very good - ruler of 1st and 10th in 9th, house of dharma (in the D-9

chart). Seems to point to good dharma? b) From Lagnamsa (i.e. sign of Lagna in

Navamsa): This is Aries. 9th from Aries is Sagittarius. Contains Saturn. Ruler

of 9th (Jupiter) is in 8th (Asura Yoga?). Ruler of 1st and 8th is Mars which is

in Virgo -the 6th. This doesnt look good at all - ruler of 1st in 6th, ruler of

9th in 8th (with Asura Yoga?). Seems to point to fallen dharma?So you can see

the highly contradictory indications when seen from Karakamsa and when seen

from Lagnamsa. How do I go about explaining/resolving the differences? Of

course, I am presenting the above chart only as an example - what I really want

to know is, in general, FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION (other than Ishta-devata

etc) do I use Karakamsa and FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION do I use Lagnamsa?

Both seem to have been given a lot of importance in the articles/books I have

perhaps incompletely read.Thank you,SundeepArchives:

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Visti,

 

What about the situation where AK is also lagna lord and lagnaamsa and karakamsa also coincide?

 

Regards,

 

Nimmi

-

Visti Larsen

vedic astrology

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:24 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on

Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Sundeep,

The Karakamsa shows the desires of the jeevatma, namely the individual atma, who

has taken rebirth. In this life, this atma seeks to explore these desires, and

whether it gets todo so or not depends on the relation between Karakamsa and

Lagnaamsa. If theres an ill-relationship between them, i.e. Dwadasi(2/12) or

Shaashtaka(6/8), the native(lagnaamsa) may not work in a direction to fulfill

the atmas desires.

In case of the latter(6/8), this imbalance will cause diseases and such frustrating things.

Whilst in the former(2/12) the native will either attempt to feed that atma as

much as possible, by getting riches, or renounce everything like a sanyasi.

 

In case of Asura Yoga, the planet in 8th should be quite afflicted. Sun, Moon or

Jup in 8th can cause it. Jup being the greatest benefic is more capable, but it

must also be very afflicted by Saturn/Rahu todo so. Also the graha shouldn't

aspect Lagna by rasi dristi.

 

As for the rest of your questions, a more thorough understanding of Jyotish is

needed. For martian lagnas, Lagna-lord in 6th can be a blessing.. those who are

used to fight...

 

Sani in the 9th doesn't cause a fall in dharma, rather it can make one follow a

very strict tradition of Dharma. The downside to this depends on the tradition,

and for this aspects on the 9th house and its lord should be seen.

 

Rahu would cause a fall if any.

Theres more, i recommend that you read the rest of Jaiminis Upadesa.

 

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

-

vedicastrostudent

vedic astrology

Monday, November 25, 2002 11:58 PM

[vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Hello Gurus, particularly Visti, and others,I am trying to understand Navamsa.

Let me only present a small picture of what I see, and you can tell me where my

error is, or where I should look to get more detail. When I look at my Navamsa

(or rather one possibly rectified version of it - I am an absolute beginner at

this), I see the following:a) From Karakamsa (i.e. sign of Chara Atmakaraka in

Navamsa): This is Pisces. 9th from Pisces is Scorpio. Contains Jupiter, ruler

of Karakamsa and 10th from Karakamsa. Mars is in Virgo - 7 from Karakamsa. This

looks very good - ruler of 1st and 10th in 9th, house of dharma (in the D-9

chart). Seems to point to good dharma? b) From Lagnamsa (i.e. sign of Lagna in

Navamsa): This is Aries. 9th from Aries is Sagittarius. Contains Saturn. Ruler

of 9th (Jupiter) is in 8th (Asura Yoga?). Ruler of 1st and 8th is Mars which is

in Virgo -the 6th. This doesnt look good at all - ruler of 1st in 6th, ruler of

9th in 8th (with Asura Yoga?). Seems to point to fallen dharma?So you can see

the highly contradictory indications when seen from Karakamsa and when seen

from Lagnamsa. How do I go about explaining/resolving the differences? Of

course, I am presenting the above chart only as an example - what I really want

to know is, in general, FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION (other than Ishta-devata

etc) do I use Karakamsa and FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION do I use Lagnamsa?

Both seem to have been given a lot of importance in the articles/books I have

perhaps incompletely read.Thank you,SundeepArchives:

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Om Gurave Namah

Dear Nimmi,

 

I stand to be corrected, but i think this is a indication for great spirituality.

 

Regds

 

Hari

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Nimmi Ragavan

vedic astrology

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 1:36 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on

Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Visti,

 

What about the situation where AK is also lagna lord and lagnaamsa and karakamsa also coincide?

 

Regards,

 

Nimmi

-

Visti Larsen

vedic astrology

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:24 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on

Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Sundeep,

The Karakamsa shows the desires of the jeevatma, namely the individual atma, who

has taken rebirth. In this life, this atma seeks to explore these desires, and

whether it gets todo so or not depends on the relation between Karakamsa and

Lagnaamsa. If theres an ill-relationship between them, i.e. Dwadasi(2/12) or

Shaashtaka(6/8), the native(lagnaamsa) may not work in a direction to fulfill

the atmas desires.

In case of the latter(6/8), this imbalance will cause diseases and such frustrating things.

Whilst in the former(2/12) the native will either attempt to feed that atma as

much as possible, by getting riches, or renounce everything like a sanyasi.

 

In case of Asura Yoga, the planet in 8th should be quite afflicted. Sun, Moon or

Jup in 8th can cause it. Jup being the greatest benefic is more capable, but it

must also be very afflicted by Saturn/Rahu todo so. Also the graha shouldn't

aspect Lagna by rasi dristi.

 

As for the rest of your questions, a more thorough understanding of Jyotish is

needed. For martian lagnas, Lagna-lord in 6th can be a blessing.. those who are

used to fight...

 

Sani in the 9th doesn't cause a fall in dharma, rather it can make one follow a

very strict tradition of Dharma. The downside to this depends on the tradition,

and for this aspects on the 9th house and its lord should be seen.

 

Rahu would cause a fall if any.

Theres more, i recommend that you read the rest of Jaiminis Upadesa.

 

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

-

vedicastrostudent

vedic astrology

Monday, November 25, 2002 11:58 PM

[vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Hello Gurus, particularly Visti, and others,I am trying to understand Navamsa.

Let me only present a small picture of what I see, and you can tell me where my

error is, or where I should look to get more detail. When I look at my Navamsa

(or rather one possibly rectified version of it - I am an absolute beginner at

this), I see the following:a) From Karakamsa (i.e. sign of Chara Atmakaraka in

Navamsa): This is Pisces. 9th from Pisces is Scorpio. Contains Jupiter, ruler

of Karakamsa and 10th from Karakamsa. Mars is in Virgo - 7 from Karakamsa. This

looks very good - ruler of 1st and 10th in 9th, house of dharma (in the D-9

chart). Seems to point to good dharma? b) From Lagnamsa (i.e. sign of Lagna in

Navamsa): This is Aries. 9th from Aries is Sagittarius. Contains Saturn. Ruler

of 9th (Jupiter) is in 8th (Asura Yoga?). Ruler of 1st and 8th is Mars which is

in Virgo -the 6th. This doesnt look good at all - ruler of 1st in 6th, ruler of

9th in 8th (with Asura Yoga?). Seems to point to fallen dharma?So you can see

the highly contradictory indications when seen from Karakamsa and when seen

from Lagnamsa. How do I go about explaining/resolving the differences? Of

course, I am presenting the above chart only as an example - what I really want

to know is, in general, FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION (other than Ishta-devata

etc) do I use Karakamsa and FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION do I use Lagnamsa?

Both seem to have been given a lot of importance in the articles/books I have

perhaps incompletely read.Thank you,SundeepArchives:

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Visti,

 

Lagna and lagnesh give the natural inclinations and nature of the person. The AK

shows the spiritual direction.

 

I thought that there would be a confluence of the persons nature and spiritual

direction. There is a natural ethical alignment in this person that I have not

seen in anybody else so far. When I first met him, I thought that he naturally

behaved the way I had learnt to behave after lot of thought.

 

In his particular case, Ishta is saturn (karakamsa is pisces), and is exalted in

lagna as well.

 

But he is an official atheist and does not believe in anything beyond what he

can see, taste, touch. Be that as it may, he is also a natural vegetarian, born

that way.

 

If AK and Ishta are the same - not sure really. Would it be that any spiritual

efforts would be greatly facilitated by the Ishta?

Regards,

 

Nimmi

 

-

Visti Larsen

vedic astrology

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 7:48 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on

Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Nimmi,

You are clever, work it out. If in doubt read the lesson on Istha devata given

on the Varahamihira list.

 

Do you also know what happens when the AK and Istha Devata are the same planet?

 

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

-

Nimmi Ragavan

vedic astrology

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:06 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on

Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Visti,

 

What about the situation where AK is also lagna lord and lagnaamsa and karakamsa also coincide?

 

Regards,

 

Nimmi

-

Visti Larsen

vedic astrology

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:24 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on

Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Sundeep,

The Karakamsa shows the desires of the jeevatma, namely the individual atma, who

has taken rebirth. In this life, this atma seeks to explore these desires, and

whether it gets todo so or not depends on the relation between Karakamsa and

Lagnaamsa. If theres an ill-relationship between them, i.e. Dwadasi(2/12) or

Shaashtaka(6/8), the native(lagnaamsa) may not work in a direction to fulfill

the atmas desires.

In case of the latter(6/8), this imbalance will cause diseases and such frustrating things.

Whilst in the former(2/12) the native will either attempt to feed that atma as

much as possible, by getting riches, or renounce everything like a sanyasi.

 

In case of Asura Yoga, the planet in 8th should be quite afflicted. Sun, Moon or

Jup in 8th can cause it. Jup being the greatest benefic is more capable, but it

must also be very afflicted by Saturn/Rahu todo so. Also the graha shouldn't

aspect Lagna by rasi dristi.

 

As for the rest of your questions, a more thorough understanding of Jyotish is

needed. For martian lagnas, Lagna-lord in 6th can be a blessing.. those who are

used to fight...

 

Sani in the 9th doesn't cause a fall in dharma, rather it can make one follow a

very strict tradition of Dharma. The downside to this depends on the tradition,

and for this aspects on the 9th house and its lord should be seen.

 

Rahu would cause a fall if any.

Theres more, i recommend that you read the rest of Jaiminis Upadesa.

 

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

-

vedicastrostudent

vedic astrology

Monday, November 25, 2002 11:58 PM

[vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Hello Gurus, particularly Visti, and others,I am trying to understand Navamsa.

Let me only present a small picture of what I see, and you can tell me where my

error is, or where I should look to get more detail. When I look at my Navamsa

(or rather one possibly rectified version of it - I am an absolute beginner at

this), I see the following:a) From Karakamsa (i.e. sign of Chara Atmakaraka in

Navamsa): This is Pisces. 9th from Pisces is Scorpio. Contains Jupiter, ruler

of Karakamsa and 10th from Karakamsa. Mars is in Virgo - 7 from Karakamsa. This

looks very good - ruler of 1st and 10th in 9th, house of dharma (in the D-9

chart). Seems to point to good dharma? b) From Lagnamsa (i.e. sign of Lagna in

Navamsa): This is Aries. 9th from Aries is Sagittarius. Contains Saturn. Ruler

of 9th (Jupiter) is in 8th (Asura Yoga?). Ruler of 1st and 8th is Mars which is

in Virgo -the 6th. This doesnt look good at all - ruler of 1st in 6th, ruler of

9th in 8th (with Asura Yoga?). Seems to point to fallen dharma?So you can see

the highly contradictory indications when seen from Karakamsa and when seen

from Lagnamsa. How do I go about explaining/resolving the differences? Of

course, I am presenting the above chart only as an example - what I really want

to know is, in general, FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION (other than Ishta-devata

etc) do I use Karakamsa and FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION do I use Lagnamsa?

Both seem to have been given a lot of importance in the articles/books I have

perhaps incompletely read.Thank you,SundeepArchives:

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I havent been asked, but this is something I have thought long and

hard about (i.e. Ishta = AK), so I can try answering it (through

deduction) - so others may correct the line of reasoning if wrong:

 

The graha indicating the Ishta Devata is the one that leads one

to "final emancipation" - moksha as I understand it. If the AK (the

reason this soul was born, in my understanding) happens to be the

same as the Ishta Devata, then it would mean that the soul's desire

in this lifetime is to work towards final emancipation. Since

(according to the Gita), the only action that is "non-karma-creating"

is non-fruitive action (i.e. compassionate action with no personal

interest in a particular outcome) or devotion to God (Krishna

consciousness according to Srila Prabhupada's interpretation of the

Gita), it must mean that this soul is engaged in non-fruitive action

or devotion to God (at least during the V. dasha of the Ishta/AK

(?)), since that is the only action that can lead to final

emancipation.

 

Sundeep

 

 

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:

> Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

>

> --

------------

>

> Dear Nimmi,

> You are clever, work it out. If in doubt read the lesson on Istha

devata given on the Varahamihira list.

>

> Do you also know what happens when the AK and Istha Devata are the

same planet?

>

> Best wishes

> Visti

> ---

> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic-

astrologybphs.zip

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ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> -

> Nimmi Ragavan

> vedic astrology

> Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:06 AM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9

indications based on Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

>

>

> Visti,

>

> What about the situation where AK is also lagna lord and

lagnaamsa and karakamsa also coincide?

>

> Regards,

>

> Nimmi

> -

> Visti Larsen

> vedic astrology

> Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:24 AM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9

indications based on Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

>

>

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>

> Dear Sundeep,

> The Karakamsa shows the desires of the jeevatma, namely the

individual atma, who has taken rebirth. In this life, this atma seeks

to explore these desires, and whether it gets todo so or not depends

on the relation between Karakamsa and Lagnaamsa. If theres an ill-

relationship between them, i.e. Dwadasi(2/12) or Shaashtaka(6/8), the

native(lagnaamsa) may not work in a direction to fulfill the atmas

desires.

> In case of the latter(6/8), this imbalance will cause diseases

and such frustrating things.

> Whilst in the former(2/12) the native will either attempt to

feed that atma as much as possible, by getting riches, or renounce

everything like a sanyasi.

>

> In case of Asura Yoga, the planet in 8th should be quite

afflicted. Sun, Moon or Jup in 8th can cause it. Jup being the

greatest benefic is more capable, but it must also be very afflicted

by Saturn/Rahu todo so. Also the graha shouldn't aspect Lagna by rasi

dristi.

>

> As for the rest of your questions, a more thorough

understanding of Jyotish is needed. For martian lagnas, Lagna-lord in

6th can be a blessing.. those who are used to fight...

>

> Sani in the 9th doesn't cause a fall in dharma, rather it can

make one follow a very strict tradition of Dharma. The downside to

this depends on the tradition, and for this aspects on the 9th house

and its lord should be seen.

>

> Rahu would cause a fall if any.

> Theres more, i recommend that you read the rest of Jaiminis

Upadesa.

>

> Best wishes

> Visti

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> Monday, November 25, 2002 11:58 PM

> [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9

indications based on Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

>

>

> Hello Gurus, particularly Visti, and others,

>

> I am trying to understand Navamsa. Let me only present a

small

> picture of what I see, and you can tell me where my error is,

or

> where I should look to get more detail. When I look at my

Navamsa (or

> rather one possibly rectified version of it - I am an

absolute

> beginner at this), I see the following:

>

> a) From Karakamsa (i.e. sign of Chara Atmakaraka in Navamsa):

This is

> Pisces. 9th from Pisces is Scorpio. Contains Jupiter, ruler

of

> Karakamsa and 10th from Karakamsa. Mars is in Virgo - 7 from

> Karakamsa. This looks very good - ruler of 1st and 10th in

9th, house

> of dharma (in the D-9 chart). Seems to point to good dharma?

> b) From Lagnamsa (i.e. sign of Lagna in Navamsa): This is

Aries. 9th

> from Aries is Sagittarius. Contains Saturn. Ruler of 9th

(Jupiter) is

> in 8th (Asura Yoga?). Ruler of 1st and 8th is Mars which is

in Virgo -

> the 6th. This doesnt look good at all - ruler of 1st in 6th,

ruler

> of 9th in 8th (with Asura Yoga?). Seems to point to fallen

dharma?

>

> So you can see the highly contradictory indications when seen

from

> Karakamsa and when seen from Lagnamsa. How do I go about

> explaining/resolving the differences? Of course, I am

presenting the

> above chart only as an example - what I really want to know

is, in

> general, FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION (other than Ishta-

devata etc)

> do I use Karakamsa and FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION do I use

> Lagnamsa? Both seem to have been given a lot of importance in

the

> articles/books I have perhaps incompletely read.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Sundeep

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I am a beginner in learning navamsa.Is there any article which explains navamsa

lagna and the position of planets from navamsa lagna and their nature.And i want

to know how much navamsa lagna is important compare to rasi chart.

Thanks

Raji

 

Nimmi Ragavan <106350.3660 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote:

Visti,

 

Lagna and lagnesh give the natural inclinations and nature of the person. The AK

shows the spiritual direction.

 

I thought that there would be a confluence of the persons nature and spiritual

direction. There is a natural ethical alignment in this person that I have not

seen in anybody else so far. When I first met him, I thought that he naturally

behaved the way I had learnt to behave after lot of thought.

 

In his particular case, Ishta is saturn (karakamsa is pisces), and is exalted in

lagna as well.

 

But he is an official atheist and does not believe in anything beyond what he

can see, taste, touch. Be that as it may, he is also a natural vegetarian, born

that way.

 

If AK and Ishta are the same - not sure really. Would it be that any spiritual

efforts would be greatly facilitated by the Ishta?

Regards,

 

Nimmi

 

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Visti Larsen

vedic astrology

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 7:48 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on

Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Nimmi,

You are clever, work it out. If in doubt read the lesson on Istha devata given

on the Varahamihira list.

 

Do you also know what happens when the AK and Istha Devata are the same planet?

 

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

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Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:06 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on

Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Visti,

 

What about the situation where AK is also lagna lord and lagnaamsa and karakamsa also coincide?

 

Regards,

 

Nimmi

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vedic astrology

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:24 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on

Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Sundeep,

The Karakamsa shows the desires of the jeevatma, namely the individual atma, who

has taken rebirth. In this life, this atma seeks to explore these desires, and

whether it gets todo so or not depends on the relation between Karakamsa and

Lagnaamsa. If theres an ill-relationship between them, i.e. Dwadasi(2/12) or

Shaashtaka(6/8), the native(lagnaamsa) may not work in a direction to fulfill

the atmas desires.

In case of the latter(6/8), this imbalance will cause diseases and such frustrating things.

Whilst in the former(2/12) the native will either attempt to feed that atma as

much as possible, by getting riches, or renounce everything like a sanyasi.

 

In case of Asura Yoga, the planet in 8th should be quite afflicted. Sun, Moon or

Jup in 8th can cause it. Jup being the greatest benefic is more capable, but it

must also be very afflicted by Saturn/Rahu todo so. Also the graha shouldn't

aspect Lagna by rasi dristi.

 

As for the rest of your questions, a more thorough understanding of Jyotish is

needed. For martian lagnas, Lagna-lord in 6th can be a blessing.. those who are

used to fight...

 

Sani in the 9th doesn't cause a fall in dharma, rather it can make one follow a

very strict tradition of Dharma. The downside to this depends on the tradition,

and for this aspects on the 9th house and its lord should be seen.

 

Rahu would cause a fall if any.

Theres more, i recommend that you read the rest of Jaiminis Upadesa.

 

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

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vedicastrostudent

vedic astrology

Monday, November 25, 2002 11:58 PM

[vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Hello Gurus, particularly Visti, and others,I am trying to understand Navamsa.

Let me only present a small picture of what I see, and you can tell me where my

error is, or where I should look to get more detail. When I look at my Navamsa

(or rather one possibly rectified version of it - I am an absolute beginner at

this), I see the following:a) From Karakamsa (i.e. sign of Chara Atmakaraka in

Navamsa): This is Pisces. 9th from Pisces is Scorpio. Contains Jupiter, ruler

of Karakamsa and 10th from Karakamsa. Mars is in Virgo - 7 from Karakamsa. This

looks very good - ruler of 1st and 10th in 9th, house of dharma (in the D-9

chart). Seems to point to good dharma? b) From Lagnamsa (i.e. sign of Lagna in

Navamsa): This is Aries. 9th from Aries is Sagittarius. Contains Saturn. Ruler

of 9th (Jupiter) is in 8th (Asura Yoga?). Ruler of 1st and 8th is Mars which is

in Virgo -the 6th. This doesnt look good at all - ruler of 1st in 6th, ruler of

9th in 8th (with Asura Yoga?). Seems to point to fallen dharma?So you can see

the highly contradictory indications when seen from Karakamsa and when seen

from Lagnamsa. How do I go about explaining/resolving the differences? Of

course, I am presenting the above chart only as an example - what I really want

to know is, in general, FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION (other than Ishta-devata

etc) do I use Karakamsa and FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION do I use Lagnamsa?

Both seem to have been given a lot of importance in the articles/books I have

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Dear Visti,

I have my Atmakaraka in second house both in navamsa and in rasi.I suppose that

there are some subtle meaning to be found through dispositors etc. ???

Best regards,

Ognjen

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vedic astrology

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 7:24 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on

Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Sundeep,

The Karakamsa shows the desires of the jeevatma, namely the individual atma, who

has taken rebirth. In this life, this atma seeks to explore these desires, and

whether it gets todo so or not depends on the relation between Karakamsa and

Lagnaamsa. If theres an ill-relationship between them, i.e. Dwadasi(2/12) or

Shaashtaka(6/8), the native(lagnaamsa) may not work in a direction to fulfill

the atmas desires.

In case of the latter(6/8), this imbalance will cause diseases and such frustrating things.

Whilst in the former(2/12) the native will either attempt to feed that atma as

much as possible, by getting riches, or renounce everything like a sanyasi.

 

In case of Asura Yoga, the planet in 8th should be quite afflicted. Sun, Moon or

Jup in 8th can cause it. Jup being the greatest benefic is more capable, but it

must also be very afflicted by Saturn/Rahu todo so. Also the graha shouldn't

aspect Lagna by rasi dristi.

 

As for the rest of your questions, a more thorough understanding of Jyotish is

needed. For martian lagnas, Lagna-lord in 6th can be a blessing.. those who are

used to fight...

 

Sani in the 9th doesn't cause a fall in dharma, rather it can make one follow a

very strict tradition of Dharma. The downside to this depends on the tradition,

and for this aspects on the 9th house and its lord should be seen.

 

Rahu would cause a fall if any.

Theres more, i recommend that you read the rest of Jaiminis Upadesa.

 

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

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vedicastrostudent

vedic astrology

Monday, November 25, 2002 11:58 PM

[vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9 indications based on Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

Hello Gurus, particularly Visti, and others,I am trying to understand Navamsa.

Let me only present a small picture of what I see, and you can tell me where my

error is, or where I should look to get more detail. When I look at my Navamsa

(or rather one possibly rectified version of it - I am an absolute beginner at

this), I see the following:a) From Karakamsa (i.e. sign of Chara Atmakaraka in

Navamsa): This is Pisces. 9th from Pisces is Scorpio. Contains Jupiter, ruler

of Karakamsa and 10th from Karakamsa. Mars is in Virgo - 7 from Karakamsa. This

looks very good - ruler of 1st and 10th in 9th, house of dharma (in the D-9

chart). Seems to point to good dharma? b) From Lagnamsa (i.e. sign of Lagna in

Navamsa): This is Aries. 9th from Aries is Sagittarius. Contains Saturn. Ruler

of 9th (Jupiter) is in 8th (Asura Yoga?). Ruler of 1st and 8th is Mars which is

in Virgo -the 6th. This doesnt look good at all - ruler of 1st in 6th, ruler of

9th in 8th (with Asura Yoga?). Seems to point to fallen dharma?So you can see

the highly contradictory indications when seen from Karakamsa and when seen

from Lagnamsa. How do I go about explaining/resolving the differences? Of

course, I am presenting the above chart only as an example - what I really want

to know is, in general, FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION (other than Ishta-devata

etc) do I use Karakamsa and FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION do I use Lagnamsa?

Both seem to have been given a lot of importance in the articles/books I have

perhaps incompletely read.Thank you,SundeepArchives:

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Hello Ognjen,

Visti's answer will be far more authoritative than mine, but since

he hasn't replied so far, I thought I might as well tell you the

general meaning of AK in 2nd in Navamsa, from Sanjay Rath's article

that I recently found at

http://www.angelfire.com/wizard/vedic/lesson2.html

Quote:

"If AK is in 2nd house, the native shall be very spiritual and a

great saint. If Saturn is strong, the renunciation shall be complete

whereas if Venus is strong, the native shall perform severe

austerities"

There are probably several modifying/corroborating conditions which

only a Guru can tell you, so you should still wait for a Guru's

answer.

 

Sundeep

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Ognjen" <ognjen.pavicevic@z...> wrote:

> Dear Visti,

> I have my Atmakaraka in second house both in navamsa and in rasi.I

suppose that there are some subtle meaning to be found through

dispositors etc. ???

> Best regards,

> Ognjen

> -

> Visti Larsen

> vedic astrology

> Tuesday, November 26, 2002 7:24 AM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9

indications based on Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

>

>

> Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

>

> --

----------

>

> Dear Sundeep,

> The Karakamsa shows the desires of the jeevatma, namely the

individual atma, who has taken rebirth. In this life, this atma seeks

to explore these desires, and whether it gets todo so or not depends

on the relation between Karakamsa and Lagnaamsa. If theres an ill-

relationship between them, i.e. Dwadasi(2/12) or Shaashtaka(6/8), the

native(lagnaamsa) may not work in a direction to fulfill the atmas

desires.

> In case of the latter(6/8), this imbalance will cause diseases

and such frustrating things.

> Whilst in the former(2/12) the native will either attempt to feed

that atma as much as possible, by getting riches, or renounce

everything like a sanyasi.

>

> In case of Asura Yoga, the planet in 8th should be quite

afflicted. Sun, Moon or Jup in 8th can cause it. Jup being the

greatest benefic is more capable, but it must also be very afflicted

by Saturn/Rahu todo so. Also the graha shouldn't aspect Lagna by rasi

dristi.

>

> As for the rest of your questions, a more thorough understanding

of Jyotish is needed. For martian lagnas, Lagna-lord in 6th can be a

blessing.. those who are used to fight...

>

> Sani in the 9th doesn't cause a fall in dharma, rather it can

make one follow a very strict tradition of Dharma. The downside to

this depends on the tradition, and for this aspects on the 9th house

and its lord should be seen.

>

> Rahu would cause a fall if any.

> Theres more, i recommend that you read the rest of Jaiminis

Upadesa.

>

> Best wishes

> Visti

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> Monday, November 25, 2002 11:58 PM

> [vedic astrology] Need help: contradictory D-9

indications based on Lagnamsa vs. Karakamsa

>

>

> Hello Gurus, particularly Visti, and others,

>

> I am trying to understand Navamsa. Let me only present a small

> picture of what I see, and you can tell me where my error is,

or

> where I should look to get more detail. When I look at my

Navamsa (or

> rather one possibly rectified version of it - I am an absolute

> beginner at this), I see the following:

>

> a) From Karakamsa (i.e. sign of Chara Atmakaraka in Navamsa):

This is

> Pisces. 9th from Pisces is Scorpio. Contains Jupiter, ruler of

> Karakamsa and 10th from Karakamsa. Mars is in Virgo - 7 from

> Karakamsa. This looks very good - ruler of 1st and 10th in 9th,

house

> of dharma (in the D-9 chart). Seems to point to good dharma?

> b) From Lagnamsa (i.e. sign of Lagna in Navamsa): This is

Aries. 9th

> from Aries is Sagittarius. Contains Saturn. Ruler of 9th

(Jupiter) is

> in 8th (Asura Yoga?). Ruler of 1st and 8th is Mars which is in

Virgo -

> the 6th. This doesnt look good at all - ruler of 1st in 6th,

ruler

> of 9th in 8th (with Asura Yoga?). Seems to point to fallen

dharma?

>

> So you can see the highly contradictory indications when seen

from

> Karakamsa and when seen from Lagnamsa. How do I go about

> explaining/resolving the differences? Of course, I am

presenting the

> above chart only as an example - what I really want to know is,

in

> general, FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION (other than Ishta-devata

etc)

> do I use Karakamsa and FOR WHICH NAVAMSA INDICATION do I use

> Lagnamsa? Both seem to have been given a lot of importance in

the

> articles/books I have perhaps incompletely read.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Sundeep

>

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