Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 May God bless you for what you are. End of discussion. /Jay - "hmm" <studd2hott <vedic astrology> Monday, November 18, 2002 8:22 AM [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle > Dear Jay, > Challenging an individual definitely implies agression. It shows the > lack of belief in an individual in his beliefs, trying to prove his > point by a mental stimulant targeted at someones ego. I do what I feel > is right, accepting challenges will make my mind succumb to the > delusions of this world. As long as I know what the truth is, > satisfying your intellectual ego by the spark of a mental stimulant in > the form of a challenge will not make me any better or any worse. > Om Namah Shivay, > Sunit > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > Dear Sunit, > > > > Am I 'aggresive' for placing an intellectual challange to your > > statement? > > > > Regards > > Jay > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay, > > > Being aggressive in challenging me is very juvenile. Tell me who > > > told you that a soul can be divided into two ? Whoever he is, please > > > re-analyze and judge his spiritual progress. HE needs some serious > > > education. Individual Karma is attached to the individual soul. A > > > soul is not an "Amoeba" that divides and futher subdivides into more > > > forms. Challenging my intellect is doubting your own. > > > God Bless us all, > > > Sunit Mehta > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunit Mehta, > > > > > > > > You say: "Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not > > > be divided > > > > !!" > > > > > > > > I challenge you: --> Prove it! > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > "hmm" <studd2hott> > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:48 AM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay, > > > > > Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not be > > > > > divided !! How can one soul evolve into two individual beings ? > > > Does > > > > > not God grant each individual with a unique soul which records > > > and > > > > > remembers the karmic actions of every life as it paves its way > > > > > towards the lord. I think a soul would get confused if it was > > > asked > > > > > to overlook two bodies !!! Spirituality is way beyond science and > > > > > scientific reasoning will get a person confused when he thinks > > > about > > > > > such subtle metaphysical matters. The laws of reincarnation are > > > very > > > > > intriguing and extends to the causal and astral realms where the > > > > > souls goes after it leaves the body. > > > > > God Loves us all, > > > > > Sunit Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > > > > > > > Great... I love your style ... > > > > > > Turn your Q2 below around: I like to see any astrologer (with > > > all > > > > > due respect to ALL of US!) studying a chart and telling the > > > > > person: "Sorry love, I can see from your chart that it's the > > > first > > > > > time you are here, so what applies are the rules of CURRENT life > > > as > > > > > you have no past life ... Besides, how would YOU know that it is > > > > > your first cycle as a soul ? > > > > > > > > > > > > As to Q3 below one can assume hat all the D-charts that are > > > > > related to current birth (at least 1to 24 or perhaps 30) could be > > > > > used. Why not ? > > > > > > > > > > > > When we touch your very intelligent Q4 below it is exactly the > > > > > other way round: > > > > > > Let me ask you the following: did you ever thought of "split > > > soul" > > > > > option ? That is that one soul can divide at certain > > > incarnations ? > > > > > > There are many examples where the best one (I think) is astral > > > > > experiences: 'you' leave your body but the body is not 'dead'. If > > > > > the entire soul would leave the body you'll be here no more ... > > > > > > A new soul with no experience (but with a task) will probably > > > be > > > > > much different than the "archetypes" we know today. > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally I can't imagine how anyone will be able to explain > > > that > > > > > as we are actually talking about an entire different DIMENSION > > > here. > > > > > One which is BEYOND any conventional thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because it is re-incarnations, the worlds population will > > > > > increase up to a certain point and not keep constant. Look at it > > > in > > > > > this way: > > > > > > Take a triangle and place it on its 'head'. > > > > > > Place (theoretically) a single soul at the 'bottom'. Mark this > > > > > point as the beginning of Kali Yuga (or even the close biblical > > > > > dating of around 5770 years, or any other counting you prefer). > > > > > > Now go "up" in time. For each 'generation', as it gets wider, > > > > > you'll find more souls around but (!) "within the limits" of very > > > > > short life due to various reasons (mostly wars and diseases). > > > > > > > > > > > > This was the general trend until around a couple of hundred > > > years > > > > > ago (!!!), where the MAJOR explosion came during the > > > unimaginable > > > > > last 55 years (yes, the worlds population has more than DOUBLED > > > > > since 2nd world war. Please check > > > > > http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldpop.html and > > > > > http://www.geohive.com). > > > > > > > > > > > > Now theoretically, I am nearly convinced (but can not prove > > > > > it ...) that the sum total of all living humans between the > > > > > year 'zero' and about around 300 years ago will match a certain > > > > > number in the future. > > > > > > There is a lot more to it but I wouldn't like to extend it > > > beyond > > > > > this point on the list as we will drift into issues which are not > > > > > concerning astrology and rise our respected moderator's > > > > > temperature ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:02 PM > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > But this creates mew questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.You said no answer for Q1...so no more thinking on > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > 2.So you mean to say that incase of First Janm we can > > > > > > > not apply the rules of astrology...so take a imaganary > > > > > > > example that person when in first janm goes to any > > > > > > > astrologer can astrologer tell him that you are in > > > > > > > first janm and so no astrological rules can be applied > > > > > > > to you ... > > > > > > > 3.how can any chart or d-chart remain in invaild > > > > > > > state? > > > > > > > 4.As per your last comment if from last thousands > > > > > > > yeras no new soul is created then how world population > > > > > > > is exploding.To create new human body new soul has to > > > > > > > be created.If your statement to be taken then world > > > > > > > population should remain constant...isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Jay Weiss <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and > > > > > > > > still do) with karma > > > > > > > > issues: > > > > > > > > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm > > > > > > > > sorry to say) very old too > > > > > > > > and very sensitive to some. > > > > > > > > You are not the first nor the only person 'spending' > > > > > > > > time with such vital > > > > > > > > issues of life as related to any personal horoscope. > > > > > > > > It is indeed a very > > > > > > > > challenging and mind developing stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can > > > > > > > > provide you with the > > > > > > > > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please) > > > > > > > > where the answer to Q2 > > > > > > > > is clear - no karma can be available, where the > > > > > > > > answer to Q3 is very > > > > > > > > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by > > > > > > > > an 'older wise man' that > > > > > > > > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this > > > > > > > > world during the last > > > > > > > > several thousands of years. All are incarnations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life > > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namste Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > life cycle. > > > > > > > > > Then few questions arise as : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > who then take human body form then in that first > > > > > > > > janm > > > > > > > > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > influence... > > > > > > > > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that > > > > > > > > > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes > > > > > > > > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > first janam such situation will not arise. > > > > > > > > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which > > > > > > > > tells > > > > > > > > > us about past life..and in first janm we have not > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > past life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > > > > > > > > http://webhosting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > > > > > vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 Dear List, I am quoting a few lines from my Gurudevas book, "Autobiography of a Yogi" by Sri Sri Paramahansa Yogananda. Gross man seldom or never realizes that his body is a kingdom, governed by Emperor Soul on the throne of the cranium, with subsidiary regents in the six spinal centers or spheres of consciousness. This theocracy extends over a throng of obedient subjects: twenty-seven thousand billion cells—endowed with a sure if automatic intelligence by which they perform all duties of bodily growths, transformations, and dissolutions—and fifty million substratal thoughts, emotions, and variations of alternating phases in man's consciousness in an average life of sixty years. Any apparent insurrection of bodily or cerebral cells toward Emperor Soul, manifesting as disease or depression, is due to no disloyalty among the humble citizens, but to past or present misuse by man of his individuality or free will, given to him simultaneous with a soul, and revocable never. Identifying himself with a shallow ego, man takes for granted that it is he who thinks, wills, feels, digests meals, and keeps himself alive, never admitting through reflection (only a little would suffice!) that in his ordinary life he is naught but a puppet of past actions (karma) and of nature or environment. Each man's intellectual reactions, feelings, moods, and habits are circumscribed by effects of past causes, whether of this or a prior life. Lofty above such influences, however, is his regal soul. Spurning the transitory truths and freedoms, the Kriya Yogi passes beyond all disillusionment into his unfettered Being. All scriptures declare man to be not a corruptible body, but a living soul; by Kriya he is given a method to prove the scriptural truth. God loves us all, Sunit Mehta vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > May God bless you for what you are. > End of discussion. > > /Jay > > - > "hmm" <studd2hott> > <vedic astrology> > Monday, November 18, 2002 8:22 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle > > > > Dear Jay, > > Challenging an individual definitely implies agression. It shows the > > lack of belief in an individual in his beliefs, trying to prove his > > point by a mental stimulant targeted at someones ego. I do what I feel > > is right, accepting challenges will make my mind succumb to the > > delusions of this world. As long as I know what the truth is, > > satisfying your intellectual ego by the spark of a mental stimulant in > > the form of a challenge will not make me any better or any worse. > > Om Namah Shivay, > > Sunit > > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > Dear Sunit, > > > > > > Am I 'aggresive' for placing an intellectual challange to your > > > statement? > > > > > > Regards > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay, > > > > Being aggressive in challenging me is very juvenile. Tell me who > > > > told you that a soul can be divided into two ? Whoever he is, please > > > > re-analyze and judge his spiritual progress. HE needs some serious > > > > education. Individual Karma is attached to the individual soul. A > > > > soul is not an "Amoeba" that divides and futher subdivides into more > > > > forms. Challenging my intellect is doubting your own. > > > > God Bless us all, > > > > Sunit Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sunit Mehta, > > > > > > > > > > You say: "Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not > > > > be divided > > > > > !!" > > > > > > > > > > I challenge you: --> Prove it! > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > "hmm" <studd2hott> > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:48 AM > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay, > > > > > > Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not be > > > > > > divided !! How can one soul evolve into two individual beings ? > > > > Does > > > > > > not God grant each individual with a unique soul which records > > > > and > > > > > > remembers the karmic actions of every life as it paves its way > > > > > > towards the lord. I think a soul would get confused if it was > > > > asked > > > > > > to overlook two bodies !!! Spirituality is way beyond science and > > > > > > scientific reasoning will get a person confused when he thinks > > > > about > > > > > > such subtle metaphysical matters. The laws of reincarnation are > > > > very > > > > > > intriguing and extends to the causal and astral realms where the > > > > > > souls goes after it leaves the body. > > > > > > God Loves us all, > > > > > > Sunit Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great... I love your style ... > > > > > > > Turn your Q2 below around: I like to see any astrologer (with > > > > all > > > > > > due respect to ALL of US!) studying a chart and telling the > > > > > > person: "Sorry love, I can see from your chart that it's the > > > > first > > > > > > time you are here, so what applies are the rules of CURRENT life > > > > as > > > > > > you have no past life ... Besides, how would YOU know that it is > > > > > > your first cycle as a soul ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to Q3 below one can assume hat all the D-charts that are > > > > > > related to current birth (at least 1to 24 or perhaps 30) could be > > > > > > used. Why not ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we touch your very intelligent Q4 below it is exactly the > > > > > > other way round: > > > > > > > Let me ask you the following: did you ever thought of "split > > > > soul" > > > > > > option ? That is that one soul can divide at certain > > > > incarnations ? > > > > > > > There are many examples where the best one (I think) is astral > > > > > > experiences: 'you' leave your body but the body is not 'dead'. If > > > > > > the entire soul would leave the body you'll be here no more ... > > > > > > > A new soul with no experience (but with a task) will probably > > > > be > > > > > > much different than the "archetypes" we know today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally I can't imagine how anyone will be able to explain > > > > that > > > > > > as we are actually talking about an entire different DIMENSION > > > > here. > > > > > > One which is BEYOND any conventional thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because it is re-incarnations, the worlds population will > > > > > > increase up to a certain point and not keep constant. Look at it > > > > in > > > > > > this way: > > > > > > > Take a triangle and place it on its 'head'. > > > > > > > Place (theoretically) a single soul at the 'bottom'. Mark this > > > > > > point as the beginning of Kali Yuga (or even the close biblical > > > > > > dating of around 5770 years, or any other counting you prefer). > > > > > > > Now go "up" in time. For each 'generation', as it gets wider, > > > > > > you'll find more souls around but (!) "within the limits" of very > > > > > > short life due to various reasons (mostly wars and diseases). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was the general trend until around a couple of hundred > > > > years > > > > > > ago (!!!), where the MAJOR explosion came during the > > > > unimaginable > > > > > > last 55 years (yes, the worlds population has more than DOUBLED > > > > > > since 2nd world war. Please check > > > > > > http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldpop.html and > > > > > > http://www.geohive.com). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now theoretically, I am nearly convinced (but can not prove > > > > > > it ...) that the sum total of all living humans between the > > > > > > year 'zero' and about around 300 years ago will match a certain > > > > > > number in the future. > > > > > > > There is a lot more to it but I wouldn't like to extend it > > > > beyond > > > > > > this point on the list as we will drift into issues which are not > > > > > > concerning astrology and rise our respected moderator's > > > > > > temperature ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:02 PM > > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > But this creates mew questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.You said no answer for Q1...so no more thinking on > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > 2.So you mean to say that incase of First Janm we can > > > > > > > > not apply the rules of astrology...so take a imaganary > > > > > > > > example that person when in first janm goes to any > > > > > > > > astrologer can astrologer tell him that you are in > > > > > > > > first janm and so no astrological rules can be applied > > > > > > > > to you ... > > > > > > > > 3.how can any chart or d-chart remain in invaild > > > > > > > > state? > > > > > > > > 4.As per your last comment if from last thousands > > > > > > > > yeras no new soul is created then how world population > > > > > > > > is exploding.To create new human body new soul has to > > > > > > > > be created.If your statement to be taken then world > > > > > > > > population should remain constant...isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Jay Weiss <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and > > > > > > > > > still do) with karma > > > > > > > > > issues: > > > > > > > > > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm > > > > > > > > > sorry to say) very old too > > > > > > > > > and very sensitive to some. > > > > > > > > > You are not the first nor the only person 'spending' > > > > > > > > > time with such vital > > > > > > > > > issues of life as related to any personal horoscope. > > > > > > > > > It is indeed a very > > > > > > > > > challenging and mind developing stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can > > > > > > > > > provide you with the > > > > > > > > > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please) > > > > > > > > > where the answer to Q2 > > > > > > > > > is clear - no karma can be available, where the > > > > > > > > > answer to Q3 is very > > > > > > > > > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by > > > > > > > > > an 'older wise man' that > > > > > > > > > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this > > > > > > > > > world during the last > > > > > > > > > several thousands of years. All are incarnations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life > > > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namste Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > life cycle. > > > > > > > > > > Then few questions arise as : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > who then take human body form then in that first > > > > > > > > > janm > > > > > > > > > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > influence... > > > > > > > > > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that > > > > > > > > > > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes > > > > > > > > > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > first janam such situation will not arise. > > > > > > > > > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which > > > > > > > > > tells > > > > > > > > > > us about past life..and in first janm we have not > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > past life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > > > > > > > > > http://webhosting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 Dear Jay, We are all moving towards the truth. Till we do not attain Self Realization, a lot of things will remain unanswered. Cosmic truths are above intellectual reasoning. Its perfectly fine with me if your views are different and I apologize if I have hurt you in any way. We should keep our minds open to the truth and only believe the words of God Realized masters. There are a lot out there who are not in touch with the lord and to believe in them without thinking will lead to further ignorance. Everyone in the list can say whatever they want about me and whether they believe in my views or not. Its the freedom of expression and thought. Again, it will not make me any better or any worse. I have a Gurudeva whom I have sworn dedication to and his views lie supreme in my mind. "Humility is a virtue pleasing to God above all other virtues" and I am glad you made the effort to prove this to me, you are blessed. Jai Gurudeva, Sunit Mehta vedic astrology, "hmm" <studd2hott> wrote: > Dear List, > I am quoting a few lines from my Gurudevas book, "Autobiography of a > Yogi" by Sri Sri Paramahansa Yogananda. > > Gross man seldom or never realizes that his body is a kingdom, > governed by Emperor Soul on the throne of the cranium, with > subsidiary regents in the six spinal centers or spheres of > consciousness. This theocracy extends over a throng of obedient > subjects: twenty-seven thousand billion cells—endowed with a sure if > automatic intelligence by which they perform all duties of bodily > growths, transformations, and dissolutions—and fifty million > substratal thoughts, emotions, and variations of alternating phases > in man's consciousness in an average life of sixty years. Any > apparent insurrection of bodily or cerebral cells toward Emperor > Soul, manifesting as disease or depression, is due to no disloyalty > among the humble citizens, but to past or present misuse by man of > his individuality or free will, given to him simultaneous with a > soul, and revocable never. > Identifying himself with a shallow ego, man takes for granted that > it is he who thinks, wills, feels, digests meals, and keeps himself > alive, never admitting through reflection (only a little would > suffice!) that in his ordinary life he is naught but a puppet of > past actions (karma) and of nature or environment. Each man's > intellectual reactions, feelings, moods, and habits are > circumscribed by effects of past causes, whether of this or a prior > life. Lofty above such influences, however, is his regal soul. > Spurning the transitory truths and freedoms, the Kriya Yogi passes > beyond all disillusionment into his unfettered Being. All scriptures > declare man to be not a corruptible body, but a living soul; by > Kriya he is given a method to prove the scriptural truth. > God loves us all, > Sunit Mehta > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > May God bless you for what you are. > > End of discussion. > > > > /Jay > > > > - > > "hmm" <studd2hott> > > <vedic astrology> > > Monday, November 18, 2002 8:22 AM > > [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle > > > > > > > Dear Jay, > > > Challenging an individual definitely implies agression. It shows > the > > > lack of belief in an individual in his beliefs, trying to prove > his > > > point by a mental stimulant targeted at someones ego. I do what > I feel > > > is right, accepting challenges will make my mind succumb to the > > > delusions of this world. As long as I know what the truth is, > > > satisfying your intellectual ego by the spark of a mental > stimulant in > > > the form of a challenge will not make me any better or any worse. > > > Om Namah Shivay, > > > Sunit > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunit, > > > > > > > > Am I 'aggresive' for placing an intellectual challange to your > > > > statement? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay, > > > > > Being aggressive in challenging me is very juvenile. Tell me > who > > > > > told you that a soul can be divided into two ? Whoever he > is, please > > > > > re-analyze and judge his spiritual progress. HE needs some > serious > > > > > education. Individual Karma is attached to the individual > soul. A > > > > > soul is not an "Amoeba" that divides and futher subdivides > into more > > > > > forms. Challenging my intellect is doubting your own. > > > > > God Bless us all, > > > > > Sunit Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunit Mehta, > > > > > > > > > > > > You say: "Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It > can not > > > > > be divided > > > > > > !!" > > > > > > > > > > > > I challenge you: --> Prove it! > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > "hmm" <studd2hott> > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:48 AM > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay, > > > > > > > Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not > be > > > > > > > divided !! How can one soul evolve into two individual > beings ? > > > > > Does > > > > > > > not God grant each individual with a unique soul which > records > > > > > and > > > > > > > remembers the karmic actions of every life as it paves > its way > > > > > > > towards the lord. I think a soul would get confused if > it was > > > > > asked > > > > > > > to overlook two bodies !!! Spirituality is way beyond > science and > > > > > > > scientific reasoning will get a person confused when he > thinks > > > > > about > > > > > > > such subtle metaphysical matters. The laws of > reincarnation are > > > > > very > > > > > > > intriguing and extends to the causal and astral realms > where the > > > > > > > souls goes after it leaves the body. > > > > > > > God Loves us all, > > > > > > > Sunit Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great... I love your style ... > > > > > > > > Turn your Q2 below around: I like to see any > astrologer (with > > > > > all > > > > > > > due respect to ALL of US!) studying a chart and telling > the > > > > > > > person: "Sorry love, I can see from your chart that it's > the > > > > > first > > > > > > > time you are here, so what applies are the rules of > CURRENT life > > > > > as > > > > > > > you have no past life ... Besides, how would YOU know > that it is > > > > > > > your first cycle as a soul ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to Q3 below one can assume hat all the D-charts > that are > > > > > > > related to current birth (at least 1to 24 or perhaps 30) > could be > > > > > > > used. Why not ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we touch your very intelligent Q4 below it is > exactly the > > > > > > > other way round: > > > > > > > > Let me ask you the following: did you ever thought > of "split > > > > > soul" > > > > > > > option ? That is that one soul can divide at certain > > > > > incarnations ? > > > > > > > > There are many examples where the best one (I think) > is astral > > > > > > > experiences: 'you' leave your body but the body is > not 'dead'. If > > > > > > > the entire soul would leave the body you'll be here no > more ... > > > > > > > > A new soul with no experience (but with a task) will > probably > > > > > be > > > > > > > much different than the "archetypes" we know today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally I can't imagine how anyone will be able to > explain > > > > > that > > > > > > > as we are actually talking about an entire different > DIMENSION > > > > > here. > > > > > > > One which is BEYOND any conventional thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because it is re-incarnations, the worlds > population will > > > > > > > increase up to a certain point and not keep constant. > Look at it > > > > > in > > > > > > > this way: > > > > > > > > Take a triangle and place it on its 'head'. > > > > > > > > Place (theoretically) a single soul at the 'bottom'. > Mark this > > > > > > > point as the beginning of Kali Yuga (or even the close > biblical > > > > > > > dating of around 5770 years, or any other counting you > prefer). > > > > > > > > Now go "up" in time. For each 'generation', as it gets > wider, > > > > > > > you'll find more souls around but (!) "within the > limits" of very > > > > > > > short life due to various reasons (mostly wars and > diseases). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was the general trend until around a couple of > hundred > > > > > years > > > > > > > ago (!!!), where the MAJOR explosion came during the > > > > > unimaginable > > > > > > > last 55 years (yes, the worlds population has more than > DOUBLED > > > > > > > since 2nd world war. Please check > > > > > > > http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldpop.html and > > > > > > > http://www.geohive.com). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now theoretically, I am nearly convinced (but can not > prove > > > > > > > it ...) that the sum total of all living humans between > the > > > > > > > year 'zero' and about around 300 years ago will match a > certain > > > > > > > number in the future. > > > > > > > > There is a lot more to it but I wouldn't like to > extend it > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > this point on the list as we will drift into issues > which are not > > > > > > > concerning astrology and rise our respected moderator's > > > > > > > temperature ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:02 PM > > > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on > Karma&life > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > > But this creates mew questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.You said no answer for Q1...so no more thinking on > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > 2.So you mean to say that incase of First Janm we can > > > > > > > > > not apply the rules of astrology...so take a > imaganary > > > > > > > > > example that person when in first janm goes to any > > > > > > > > > astrologer can astrologer tell him that you are in > > > > > > > > > first janm and so no astrological rules can be > applied > > > > > > > > > to you ... > > > > > > > > > 3.how can any chart or d-chart remain in invaild > > > > > > > > > state? > > > > > > > > > 4.As per your last comment if from last thousands > > > > > > > > > yeras no new soul is created then how world > population > > > > > > > > > is exploding.To create new human body new soul has to > > > > > > > > > be created.If your statement to be taken then world > > > > > > > > > population should remain constant...isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Jay Weiss <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and > > > > > > > > > > still do) with karma > > > > > > > > > > issues: > > > > > > > > > > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm > > > > > > > > > > sorry to say) very old too > > > > > > > > > > and very sensitive to some. > > > > > > > > > > You are not the first nor the only > person 'spending' > > > > > > > > > > time with such vital > > > > > > > > > > issues of life as related to any personal > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > It is indeed a very > > > > > > > > > > challenging and mind developing stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can > > > > > > > > > > provide you with the > > > > > > > > > > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here > please) > > > > > > > > > > where the answer to Q2 > > > > > > > > > > is clear - no karma can be available, where the > > > > > > > > > > answer to Q3 is very > > > > > > > > > > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by > > > > > > > > > > an 'older wise man' that > > > > > > > > > > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this > > > > > > > > > > world during the last > > > > > > > > > > several thousands of years. All are incarnations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life > > > > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namste Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > life cycle. > > > > > > > > > > > Then few questions arise as : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > who then take human body form then in that first > > > > > > > > > > janm > > > > > > > > > > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > influence... > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on > that > > > > > > > > > > > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes > > > > > > > > > > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > first janam such situation will not arise. > > > > > > > > > > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which > > > > > > > > > > tells > > > > > > > > > > > us about past life..and in first janm we have not > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > past life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your > site > > > > > > > > > > > http://webhosting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > > > > > > > > > > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > > > > > > > > http://webhosting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > @e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 Sunit, "Ekoham, Bahushyam" is a Vedic Dictum - "One I am, Many shall I become". This is the underlying Truth about Creation of this Jagat (World). We will never be able to fathom it, till we attain Totality. Until then, we cannot stick to any "idea", that we have formed due to our limited perceptions, including what we "hear" from a Guru. Love, Arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2002 Report Share Posted November 20, 2002 Dear Arun, Do you realize what you have just said ? Quoting "Until then, we cannot stick to any "idea", that we have formed due to our limited perceptions, including what we "hear" from a Guru." Do you know what a Guru is ? Guru = path to the divine. NO person can reach God without the guidance of a Guru. When God feels that a person is ready for him, he sends his message in the form of a Guru. A guru does not have personal reasons, his goal is to make you reach the lord. And you just told me not to stick to any idea and what we hear from a Guru !! Tell me, should Arjuna have rejected lord Krishna's words and run away from the battlefield ! In this case Krishna was the Guru. Could Swami, Yogananda, Vivekakanda, Rama Krishna or for that matter our own pandit Rath ji reach the levels they have reached without the guidance of a true Guru ? Tell me if I am wrong. Dont you understand, God is Guru !! Guru is God. Every word spoken by a true Guru is worth its weight ten times over, in Gold. God is speaking to us through our Guru !! I do not understand why you have written, what you have, to me. It is exactly what I am trying to say, : "The ocean has become the wave" The wave is incomplete without the ocean and eventually will meet and merge with the whole in order to be complete. What exactly are you trying to convey to me ? Your words about not trusting the words of a Guru is unacceptable to me and I do not agree to it. Realize what you have said, it is not true. God loves us All, Sunit Mehta vedic astrology, "Arun Uthayan (Arunodayan)" <arun.uthayan@c...> wrote: > > Sunit, > > "Ekoham, Bahushyam" is a Vedic Dictum - "One I am, Many shall I > become". > > This is the underlying Truth about Creation of this Jagat (World). We > will never be able to fathom it, till we attain Totality. Until then, > we cannot stick to any "idea", that we have formed due to our limited > perceptions, including what we "hear" from a Guru. > > Love, > Arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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