questions on Karma&life cycle - for Visti

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Dear Visti,

 

Thanks for your further explanation.

 

The issue of Karma as a whole is very deep and complicated especially

the parts dealing with 'upper dimentional issues'.

In fact, there are not many living humans in each generation who are

able to understanding those dimentions, though there is nothing wrong

in trying ...

 

Kind regards

Jay

 

 

 

> Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

>

> ---

------> -----

>

> Dear Sunit,

> Don't start throwing names, always accept that you could be wrong,

and

> rema> in humble that way.

>

> The Paramatma has allready divided so many times to create so many

> jeevatma> s, which are the individual souls. And these Jeevatma can

also divide,

> caus> ing birth of siamese twins etc, merely implying 1 soul but

several minds.

>

> As per scripture, Brahma is constantly creating new beings, this

however

> do> esn't tell us where their souls come from, which are ALL

expansions of the

> > supreme lord.

>

> So stop counting, say Om Vishnave Namah, and get back to your/his

origin,

> w> hatever you wanto call it.

>

> Best wishes

> Visti

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> vedic astrology

> Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:40 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle

>

>

> Dear Jay,

> Being aggressive in challenging me is very juvenile. Tell me who

> told you that a soul can be divided into two ? Whoever he is,

please

> re-analyze and judge his spiritual progress. HE needs some serious

> education. Individual Karma is attached to the individual soul. A

> soul is not an "Amoeba" that divides and futher subdivides into

more

> forms. Challenging my intellect is doubting your own.

> God Bless us all,

> Sunit Mehta

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote:

> > Dear Sunit Mehta,

> >

> > You say: "Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can

not

> be divided

> > !!"

> >

> > I challenge you: --> Prove it!

> >

> > Kind regards

> > Jay Weiss

> >

> >

> > -

> > "hmm" <studd2hott>

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:48 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle

> >

> >

> > > Dear Jay,

> > > Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not be

> > > divided !! How can one soul evolve into two individual

beings ?

> Does

> > > not God grant each individual with a unique soul which records

> and

> > > remembers the karmic actions of every life as it paves its way

> > > towards the lord. I think a soul would get confused if it was

> asked

> > > to overlook two bodies !!! Spirituality is way beyond science

and

> > > scientific reasoning will get a person confused when he thinks

> about

> > > such subtle metaphysical matters. The laws of reincarnation

are

> very

> > > intriguing and extends to the causal and astral realms where

the

> > > souls goes after it leaves the body.

> > > God Loves us all,

> > > Sunit Mehta.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Parag,

> > > >

> > > > Great... I love your style ...

> > > > Turn your Q2 below around: I like to see any astrologer

(with

> all

> > > due respect to ALL of US!) studying a chart and telling the

> > > person: "Sorry love, I can see from your chart that it's the

> first

> > > time you are here, so what applies are the rules of CURRENT

life

> as

> > > you have no past life ... Besides, how would YOU know that it

is

> > > your first cycle as a soul ?

> > > >

> > > > As to Q3 below one can assume hat all the D-charts that are

> > > related to current birth (at least 1to 24 or perhaps 30) could

be

> > > used. Why not ?

> > > >

> > > > When we touch your very intelligent Q4 below it is exactly

the

> > > other way round:

> > > > Let me ask you the following: did you ever thought of "split

> soul"

> > > option ? That is that one soul can divide at certain

> incarnations ?

> > > > There are many examples where the best one (I think) is

astral

> > > experiences: 'you' leave your body but the body is not 'dead'.

If

> > > the entire soul would leave the body you'll be here no more ...

> > > > A new soul with no experience (but with a task) will

probably

> be

> > > much different than the "archetypes" we know today.

> > > >

> > > > Personally I can't imagine how anyone will be able to

explain

> that

> > > as we are actually talking about an entire different DIMENSION

> here.

> > > One which is BEYOND any conventional thinking.

> > > >

> > > > Just because it is re-incarnations, the worlds population

will

> > > increase up to a certain point and not keep constant. Look at

it

> in

> > > this way:

> > > > Take a triangle and place it on its 'head'.

> > > > Place (theoretically) a single soul at the 'bottom'. Mark

this

> > > point as the beginning of Kali Yuga (or even the close biblical

> > > dating of around 5770 years, or any other counting you prefer).

> > > > Now go "up" in time. For each 'generation', as it gets wider,

> > > you'll find more souls around but (!) "within the limits" of

very

> > > short life due to various reasons (mostly wars and diseases).

> > > >

> > > > This was the general trend until around a couple of hundred

> years

> > > ago (!!!), where the MAJOR explosion came during the

> unimaginable

> > > last 55 years (yes, the worlds population has more than DOUBLED

> > > since 2nd world war. Please check

> > > http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldpop.html and

> > > http://www.geohive.com).

> > > >

> > > > Now theoretically, I am nearly convinced (but can not prove

> > > it ...) that the sum total of all living humans between the

> > > year 'zero' and about around 300 years ago will match a certain

> > > number in the future.

> > > > There is a lot more to it but I wouldn't like to extend it

> beyond

> > > this point on the list as we will drift into issues which are

not

> > > concerning astrology and rise our respected moderator's

> > > temperature ...

> > > >

> > > > Kind regards

> > > > Jay Weiss

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin>

> > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:02 PM

> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life

> cycle

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Jay

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for your reply.

> > > > > But this creates mew questions.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.You said no answer for Q1...so no more thinking on

> > > > > that

> > > > > 2.So you mean to say that incase of First Janm we can

> > > > > not apply the rules of astrology...so take a imaganary

> > > > > example that person when in first janm goes to any

> > > > > astrologer can astrologer tell him that you are in

> > > > > first janm and so no astrological rules can be applied

> > > > > to you ...

> > > > > 3.how can any chart or d-chart remain in invaild

> > > > > state?

> > > > > 4.As per your last comment if from last thousands

> > > > > yeras no new soul is created then how world population

> > > > > is exploding.To create new human body new soul has to

> > > > > be created.If your statement to be taken then world

> > > > > population should remain constant...isn't it?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Parag

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Jay Weiss <jayhw@t...> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Parag,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and

> > > > > > still do) with karma

> > > > > > issues:

> > > > > > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm

> > > > > > sorry to say) very old too

> > > > > > and very sensitive to some.

> > > > > > You are not the first nor the only person 'spending'

> > > > > > time with such vital

> > > > > > issues of life as related to any personal horoscope.

> > > > > > It is indeed a very

> > > > > > challenging and mind developing stuff.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can

> > > > > > provide you with the

> > > > > > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please)

> > > > > > where the answer to Q2

> > > > > > is clear - no karma can be available, where the

> > > > > > answer to Q3 is very

> > > > > > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 ....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by

> > > > > > an 'older wise man' that

> > > > > > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this

> > > > > > world during the last

> > > > > > several thousands of years. All are incarnations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kind regards

> > > > > > Jay Weiss

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin>

> > > > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM

> > > > > > [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life

> > > > > > cycle

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namste Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > life cycle.

> > > > > > > Then few questions arise as :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating

> > > > > > soul

> > > > > > > who then take human body form then in that first

> > > > > > janm

> > > > > > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no

> > > > > > previous

> > > > > > > influence...

> > > > > > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that

> > > > > > > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes

> > > > > > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > first janam such situation will not arise.

> > > > > > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which

> > > > > > tells

> > > > > > > us about past life..and in first janm we have not

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > past life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > issue.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Parag

> > > > > > >

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i think problem is we all see gross existance and body

is begining and end only when we start journey and

dont count how many population this century or last

century the point can be made about soul after we

reject ideaa of body count.

soul study could be individul realization after one

has lifted himself from duality

than body is come and go in appearance soul remains

its only wise business not merely intellect can help

rajinder

--- Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote:

>

> OM KLEEM KRISHNAYA NAMAHA

> Namaste all Listed members,

> Please read this atachment slowly and this article

> tells about Karma and everything about Karma.Of

> course this is going little away from Astrology.But

> I thought this will be of benefit to every reader.

> With best regards,

> Ramadas Rao.

> Jay Weiss <jayhw wrote: Dear Visti,

>

> Thanks for your further explanation.

>

> The issue of Karma as a whole is very deep and

> complicated especially

> the parts dealing with 'upper dimentional issues'.

> In fact, there are not many living humans in each

> generation who are

> able to understanding those dimentions, though there

> is nothing wrong

> in trying ...

>

> Kind regards

> Jay

>

>

>

> > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

> >

> >

>

---

> ------> -----

> >

> > Dear Sunit,

> > Don't start throwing names, always accept that you

> could be wrong,

> and

> > rema> in humble that way.

> >

> > The Paramatma has allready divided so many times

> to create so many

> > jeevatma> s, which are the individual souls. And

> these Jeevatma can

> also divide,

> > caus> ing birth of siamese twins etc, merely

> implying 1 soul but

> several minds.

> >

> > As per scripture, Brahma is constantly creating

> new beings, this

> however

> > do> esn't tell us where their souls come from,

> which are ALL

> expansions of the

> > > supreme lord.

> >

> > So stop counting, say Om Vishnave Namah, and get

> back to your/his

> origin,

> > w> hatever you wanto call it.

> >

> > Best wishes

> > Visti

> > ---

> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

> > vedic astrology>

> bphs.zip

> > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

> ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> > -

> > hmm

> > vedic astrology

> > Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:40 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: questions on

> Karma&life cycle

> >

> >

> > Dear Jay,

> > Being aggressive in challenging me is very

> juvenile. Tell me who

> > told you that a soul can be divided into two ?

> Whoever he is,

> please

> > re-analyze and judge his spiritual progress. HE

> needs some serious

> > education. Individual Karma is attached to the

> individual soul. A

> > soul is not an "Amoeba" that divides and futher

> subdivides into

> more

> > forms. Challenging my intellect is doubting your

> own.

> > God Bless us all,

> > Sunit Mehta

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss"

> <jayhw@t...> wrote:

> > > Dear Sunit Mehta,

> > >

> > > You say: "Each individual has one soul, unique

> to him. It can

> not

> > be divided

> > > !!"

> > >

> > > I challenge you: --> Prove it!

> > >

> > > Kind regards

> > > Jay Weiss

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > "hmm" <studd2hott>

> > > <vedic astrology>

> > > Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:48 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: questions on

> Karma&life cycle

> > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Jay,

> > > > Each individual has one soul, unique to him.

> It can not be

> > > > divided !! How can one soul evolve into two

> individual

> beings ?

> > Does

> > > > not God grant each individual with a unique

> soul which records

> > and

> > > > remembers the karmic actions of every life

> as it paves its way

> > > > towards the lord. I think a soul would get

> confused if it was

> > asked

> > > > to overlook two bodies !!! Spirituality is

> way beyond science

> and

> > > > scientific reasoning will get a person

> confused when he thinks

> > about

> > > > such subtle metaphysical matters. The laws

> of reincarnation

> are

> > very

> > > > intriguing and extends to the causal and

> astral realms where

> the

> > > > souls goes after it leaves the body.

> > > > God Loves us all,

> > > > Sunit Mehta.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss"

> <jayhw@t...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Parag,

> > > > >

> > > > > Great... I love your style ...

> > > > > Turn your Q2 below around: I like to see

> any astrologer

> (with

> > all

> > > > due respect to ALL of US!) studying a chart

> and telling the

> > > > person: "Sorry love, I can see from your

> chart that it's the

> > first

> > > > time you are here, so what applies are the

> rules of CURRENT

> life

> > as

> > > > you have no past life ... Besides, how would

> YOU know that it

> is

> > > > your first cycle as a soul ?

> > > > >

> > > > > As to Q3 below one can assume hat all the

> D-charts that are

> > > > related to current birth (at least 1to 24 or

> perhaps 30) could

> be

> > > > used. Why not ?

> > > > >

> > > > > When we touch your very intelligent Q4

> below it is exactly

> the

> > > > other way round:

> > > > > Let me ask you the following: did you ever

> thought of "split

> > soul"

> > > > option ? That is that one soul can divide at

> certain

> > incarnations ?

> > > > > There are many examples where the best one

> (I think) is

> astral

> > > > experiences: 'you' leave your body but the

> body is not 'dead'.

> If

>

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Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Rajinder,

This is exactly what i was talking about.

Sunit is busy thinking about Sthira Karaka, and how the body is the only

container and divisable determent, whereas we must realise that the Chara

Karaka are above the physical form(sthira karaka) and the soul moves

independant of the body, from one to the other, untainted.

 

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

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Sunday, November 17, 2002 4:55 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle - for Visti

i think problem is we all see gross existance and bodyis begining and end only

when we start journey anddont count how many population this century or

lastcentury the point can be made about soul after wereject ideaa of body

count.soul study could be individul realization after onehas lifted himself

from dualitythan body is come and go in appearance soul remainsits only wise

business not merely intellect can helprajinder--- Ramadas Rao

<ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > OM KLEEM KRISHNAYA NAMAHA > Namaste all

Listed members, > Please read this atachment slowly and this article> tells

about Karma and everything about Karma.Of> course this is going little away

from Astrology.But> I thought this will be of benefit to every reader. > With

best regards, > Ramadas Rao. > Jay Weiss <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Visti,>

> Thanks for your further explanation.> > The issue of Karma as a whole is very

deep and> complicated especially > the parts dealing with 'upper dimentional

issues'.> In fact, there are not many living humans in each> generation who are

> able to understanding those dimentions, though there> is nothing wrong > in

trying ...> > Kind regards> Jay> > > > > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah.

Sah Jum Om> >>

>>--->

------> -----> >> > Dear Sunit,> > Don't start throwing names, always accept

that you> could be wrong, > and> > rema> in humble that way.> >> > The

Paramatma has allready divided so many times> to create so many> > jeevatma> s,

which are the individual souls. And> these Jeevatma can > also divide,> > caus>

ing birth of siamese twins etc, merely> implying 1 soul but > several minds.>

>> > As per scripture, Brahma is constantly creating> new beings, this >

however> > do> esn't tell us where their souls come from,> which are ALL >

expansions of the> > > supreme lord.> >> > So stop counting, say Om Vishnave

Namah, and get> back to your/his > origin,> > w> hatever you wanto call it.> >>

> Best wishes> > Visti> > ---> > Bhagavad Purana:

http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:> >

vedic astrology>> bphs.zip> > iTRANS 99

Font: http://www.omkarananda-> ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html> > -----

Original Message ----- > > hmm > > To:

vedic astrology > > Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:40 AM>

> [vedic astrology] Re: questions on> Karma&life cycle> >> >> >

Dear Jay,> > Being aggressive in challenging me is very> juvenile. Tell me

who > > told you that a soul can be divided into two ?> Whoever he is, >

please > > re-analyze and judge his spiritual progress. HE> needs some

serious > > education. Individual Karma is attached to the> individual soul.

A > > soul is not an "Amoeba" that divides and futher> subdivides into > more

> > forms. Challenging my intellect is doubting your> own.> > God Bless us

all,> > Sunit Mehta> >> >> > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss">

<jayhw@t...> wrote:> > > Dear Sunit Mehta,> > > > > > You say: "Each

individual has one soul, unique> to him. It can > not > > be divided> > >

!!"> > > > > > I challenge you: --> Prove it!> > > > > > Kind regards>

> > Jay Weiss> > > > > > > > > -> > >

"hmm" <studd2hott>> > > <vedic astrology>> > > Sent:

Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:48 AM> > > [vedic astrology] Re:

questions on> Karma&life cycle> > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay,> > > > Each

individual has one soul, unique to him.> It can not be> > > > divided !! How

can one soul evolve into two> individual > beings ? > > Does> > > > not God

grant each individual with a unique> soul which records > > and> > > >

remembers the karmic actions of every life> as it paves its way> > > >

towards the lord. I think a soul would get> confused if it was > > asked> >

> > to overlook two bodies !!! Spirituality is> way beyond science > and> > >

> scientific reasoning will get a person> confused when he thinks > > about>

> > > such subtle metaphysical matters. The laws> of reincarnation > are > >

very> > > > intriguing and extends to the causal and> astral realms where >

the> > > > souls goes after it leaves the body.> > > > God Loves us all,> >

> > Sunit Mehta.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss"> <jayhw@t...> wrote:> > > > > Dear Parag,>

> > > >> > > > > Great... I love your style ...> > > > > Turn your Q2

below around: I like to see> any astrologer > (with > > all> > > > due

respect to ALL of US!) studying a chart> and telling the> > > > person:

"Sorry love, I can see from your> chart that it's the > > first> > > > time

you are here, so what applies are the> rules of CURRENT > life > > as> > > >

you have no past life ... Besides, how would> YOU know that it > is> > > >

your first cycle as a soul ?> > > > >> > > > > As to Q3 below one can

assume hat all the> D-charts that are> > > > related to current birth (at

least 1to 24 or> perhaps 30) could > be> > > > used. Why not ?> > > > >> >

> > > When we touch your very intelligent Q4> below it is exactly > the> > >

> other way round:> > > > > Let me ask you the following: did you ever>

thought of "split > > soul"> > > > option ? That is that one soul can

divide at> certain > > incarnations ?> > > > > There are many examples

where the best one> (I think) is > astral> > > > experiences: 'you' leave

your body but the> body is not 'dead'. > If> === message truncated ===>

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--- Visti Larsen <vishnu wrote:

> Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

>

>

--

> dear visti,

i used to have a dream in child hood i still can

picture it, say i may be in 4th or fifth grade

sleeping at the roof of my house in north india i will

see i am saparate from body and watching myself as

floating

other astral body and will tell this dream to my grand

mother she will tell story and say when i say om

i get echo in my ear of om again she use to go siva

temple and spend hours there.

i always wish in adult life if i am soul i must be

able to realize it this must have bring me to vedic

astro grp and i think one must understand first the

complexities of relation to family and people we come

in contact and last one is when we if ever come in

contact with our soul.

there is no escape than

one thing i did got from you that my ista shuld be

chamundy when i always thought siva.

regards

rajinder

> Dear Rajinder,

> This is exactly what i was talking about.

> Sunit is busy thinking about Sthira Karaka, and how

> the body is the only container and divisable

> determent, whereas we must realise that the Chara

> Karaka are above the physical form(sthira karaka)

> and the soul moves independant of the body, from one

> to the other, untainted.

>

> Best wishes

> Visti

> ---

> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

>

vedic astrologybphs.zip

> iTRANS 99 Font:

>

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> -

> Rajinder Nath

> vedic astrology

> Sunday, November 17, 2002 4:55 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on

> Karma&life cycle - for Visti

>

>

> i think problem is we all see gross existance and

> body

> is begining and end only when we start journey and

> dont count how many population this century or

> last

> century the point can be made about soul after we

> reject ideaa of body count.

> soul study could be individul realization after

> one

> has lifted himself from duality

> than body is come and go in appearance soul

> remains

> its only wise business not merely intellect can

> help

> rajinder

> --- Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote:

> >

> > OM KLEEM KRISHNAYA NAMAHA

> > Namaste all Listed members,

> > Please read this atachment slowly and this

> article

> > tells about Karma and everything about Karma.Of

> > course this is going little away from

> Astrology.But

> > I thought this will be of benefit to every

> reader.

> > With best regards,

> > Ramadas Rao.

> > Jay Weiss <jayhw wrote: Dear Visti,

> >

> > Thanks for your further explanation.

> >

> > The issue of Karma as a whole is very deep and

> > complicated especially

> > the parts dealing with 'upper dimentional

> issues'.

> > In fact, there are not many living humans in

> each

> > generation who are

> > able to understanding those dimentions, though

> there

> > is nothing wrong

> > in trying ...

> >

> > Kind regards

> > Jay

> >

> >

> >

> > > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum

> Om

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

---

> > ------> -----

> > >

> > > Dear Sunit,

> > > Don't start throwing names, always accept that

> you

> > could be wrong,

> > and

> > > rema> in humble that way.

> > >

> > > The Paramatma has allready divided so many

> times

> > to create so many

> > > jeevatma> s, which are the individual souls.

> And

> > these Jeevatma can

> > also divide,

> > > caus> ing birth of siamese twins etc, merely

> > implying 1 soul but

> > several minds.

> > >

> > > As per scripture, Brahma is constantly

> creating

> > new beings, this

> > however

> > > do> esn't tell us where their souls come from,

> > which are ALL

> > expansions of the

> > > > supreme lord.

> > >

> > > So stop counting, say Om Vishnave Namah, and

> get

> > back to your/his

> > origin,

> > > w> hatever you wanto call it.

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > > Visti

> > > ---

> > > Bhagavad Purana:

> http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

> > > vedic astrology>

> > bphs.zip

> > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

> > ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> > > -

> > > hmm

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:40 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: questions on

> > Karma&life cycle

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Jay,

> > > Being aggressive in challenging me is very

> > juvenile. Tell me who

> > > told you that a soul can be divided into two

> ?

> > Whoever he is,

> > please

> > > re-analyze and judge his spiritual progress.

> HE

> > needs some serious

> > > education. Individual Karma is attached to

> the

> > individual soul. A

> > > soul is not an "Amoeba" that divides and

> futher

> > subdivides into

> > more

> > > forms. Challenging my intellect is doubting

> your

> > own.

> > > God Bless us all,

> > > Sunit Mehta

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss"

> > <jayhw@t...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Sunit Mehta,

> > > >

> > > > You say: "Each individual has one soul,

> unique

> > to him. It can

> > not

> > > be divided

> > > > !!"

> > > >

> > > > I challenge you: --> Prove it!

> > > >

> > > > Kind regards

> > > > Jay Weiss

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > "hmm" <studd2hott>

> > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:48 AM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: questions

> on

> > Karma&life cycle

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Jay,

> > > > > Each individual has one soul, unique to

> him.

> > It can not be

> > > > > divided !! How can one soul evolve into

> two

> > individual

> > beings ?

> > > Does

> > > > > not God grant each individual with a

> unique

> > soul which records

> > > and

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

 

 

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Dear Members, Namaskar, Here are some of my thoughts which are not

related to jyotish and those who are uninterested can simply skip

this. hopefully this is my last message on this non-jyotish related

topic. Please email me privately your thoughts to avoid populating

this list with such topics. I will investigate all questions someday

when I have time and resources to do so.

Thanks and regards. Rajesh Kumaria

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have also gone through some concepts(very quickly only) presented

by Shri Ramadas Rao's article on karma, which is an excellent

article

itself.. I express my gratitude and thanks to Shri Rao for this very

illuminating article on karma. Several other important

concepts/developments/thoughts of mine (which are clear to me so

far.. or rather say these are wanderings of an enquiring mind in all

types of miscellaneous directions) are as follows(please excuse typos

and grammatical mistakes below):

 

1. The theory of evolution talks about micro-organisms coming into

existence from various chemicals existing on earth, some 4 to 5

billion years ago. Then slowly they evolved into sea and land

creatures until the gigantic dinosaurs ruled earth for millions of

years. Man has come into existence only 10 million years ago or so.

They say that human beings have been created only during the last

hour, if those bacteria were supposedly created at 0000 hours in a 24

hour span interpolation of these billions of years. When Hinduism

talks about various yugas and creation, then obviously man is not the

first creature created by PARMATAMA(GOD)… Thousands of fossils of

these prehistoric animals and plants indicate that life was in

existence even before SATAYUGA started. The physical evidence is so

concrete, that we cannot go just by known scriptures. Even in DEVA-

ASURA war, the ocean was full of wealth and dynamic creatures.

 

2. The theory of karma also talks about degeneration of soul to lower

animal or vegetable kingdom. So logically speaking the souls exist in

animal and vegetable/plants as well. There existed millions of plant

and animal species even during the long reign of dinosaurs , when man

was simply not present on this earth. So it appears that the

paramatama originally divided in to billions of souls in the very

beginning of creation and not when Satayuga started. Man is supposed

to be the highest form of intelligence created by nature. So

obviously all those ancient species of animals and plants are taking

birth again as human form, since only human form is most comfortable

in its existence on the land(apart from sea) That pretty much

explains the source of all these millions/billions of souls, apart

from human beings, which are being born again and again at present or

perhaps born for the first time on this earth a human beings.

 

 

3. The birth of Ganesha and the danger posed by Ganesha to his

father, Lord Shiva. i.e., the beheading of ganesha and installation

of elephant head. The nakshataras existed at that time and some type

of jyotish and reckoning of time also existed,. It was supposedly

early satayuga time, Ganesha had to be killed/beheaded in order to

save Lord Shiva his father since he was created by GODDESS Parvati in

inauspicious nakshatra time… this is the first known indication

that

the nakshatras affected even devatas, although planetary lordships

were not awarded by GODS(SIVA AND VISHNU) and Goddesses(LAKSHMI,

SARASWATI, DURGA, KAALI) to various demi gods like Mangal, Shani,

Shukra etc., The swarga loka and other lokas existed. These are the

first known beginnings(as per scriptures) of human

existence..certianly either all this happened on another planet,

which was similar to earth or the very earth itself, was known by

other names…there is no other known earth with such an extensive

atmosphere, oceans, continents, climatic conditions and species.

 

 

4. The tapasyas done by various demi-gods to acquire more and more

powers. The authority provided to them by the higher gods , over

various planets and nakshataras. the drinking of soma by Rahu and

Ketu and their subsequent tapasyas to get control over human

life..the beginnings of jyotish as we know it and various jyotish

scriptures.

 

5. The degeneration of human beings due to excessive concentration on

materialism during dwapara and kaliyugas. please see my previous

message, sent few days ago ….

 

6. There are several loopholes, but still somehow its one continuous

tale of billions of years in which pre-historic animals(including

dinosaurs and pre historic mammals), ancient man, modern man, yugas

and present kaliyuga are interlinked. It will be simply impossible to

pin point the first birth or the first horoscope, since the cosmos is

infinite, the nakshatras existed even bore the birth of micro

organisms and certainly much before various satayugas etc

existed…

several unanswered questions are as follows: what type of jyotish

existed for those prehistoric plants and animals(Sea and land

creatures) , ? how were they supposed to reach moksha, when they do

not have any human level intelligence, nor any knowledge of

scriptures, karma etc., are they not supposedly created by God for

the propagation of life on earth? why only human birth considered

deserving of moksha? why and when did the great rishis discovered all

this and created written scriptures? In the ultimate sense, KAAL

loves creation and prevents us from reaching moksha since if billions

of souls attained moksha it will also imply that life does not exist

in the earth in human form anymore and we will be back to future

prehistoric times…. it requires a life time of research here and

this

is certainly drifting away from Jyotish. So I will stop here on this

list and keep investigating on my own…What, when, why and how of

creation history is endless research. even after 40 years of life on

this earth, I am surrounded by more and more questions then answers.

 

7. Also I am trying to link hard core concrete evidence with

scriptures, known history, jyotish and karma, which in itself is a

huge exercise(do not know whether even the basis of such an

investigation is sound or not..can all these be related to each

another in one long time sequence of events…can present

materialistic

attitudes explain all known existence and spiritualism). But I

sincerely think we all desire one continuous simply explanation

without going into thousands of articles which take us in different

directions and cause headache, since we do not have enough time,

energy and money to keep investigating all this endlessly in this

Kaliyuga, where materialism and high cost of living dictates our

actions and thoughts every minute and every hour of our existence..we

are solidly in the grips of KAAL DEVATA, who is merciless and loves

the creation of life and materialism only… existence at all costs

is

the motto thesedays..only when malefic periods beat us, then we start

thinking about Gods and existence etc.. In short this entire

universe and realm of creation is greater than the sum of its parts

and its beyond our present capacity for a complete interpretation.

Its more or less like the six blind man and the elephant story.

 

Thanks and Regards…Rajesh Kumaria

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Rajinder Nath <jinderman> wrote:

>

> --- Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:

> > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

> >

> >

> --

------------

> > dear visti,

> i used to have a dream in child hood i still can

> picture it, say i may be in 4th or fifth grade

> sleeping at the roof of my house in north india i will

> see i am saparate from body and watching myself as

> floating

> other astral body and will tell this dream to my grand

> mother she will tell story and say when i say om

> i get echo in my ear of om again she use to go siva

> temple and spend hours there.

> i always wish in adult life if i am soul i must be

> able to realize it this must have bring me to vedic

> astro grp and i think one must understand first the

> complexities of relation to family and people we come

> in contact and last one is when we if ever come in

> contact with our soul.

> there is no escape than

> one thing i did got from you that my ista shuld be

> chamundy when i always thought siva.

> regards

> rajinder

> > Dear Rajinder,

> > This is exactly what i was talking about.

> > Sunit is busy thinking about Sthira Karaka, and how

> > the body is the only container and divisable

> > determent, whereas we must realise that the Chara

> > Karaka are above the physical form(sthira karaka)

> > and the soul moves independant of the body, from one

> > to the other, untainted.

> >

> > Best wishes

> > Visti

> > ---

> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

> >

> vedic astrologybphs.zip

> > iTRANS 99 Font:

> >

> http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> > -

> > Rajinder Nath

> > vedic astrology

> > Sunday, November 17, 2002 4:55 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on

> > Karma&life cycle - for Visti

> >

> >

> > i think problem is we all see gross existance and

> > body

> > is begining and end only when we start journey and

> > dont count how many population this century or

> > last

> > century the point can be made about soul after we

> > reject ideaa of body count.

> > soul study could be individul realization after

> > one

> > has lifted himself from duality

> > than body is come and go in appearance soul

> > remains

> > its only wise business not merely intellect can

> > help

> > rajinder

> > --- Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote:

> > >

> > > OM KLEEM KRISHNAYA NAMAHA

> > > Namaste all Listed members,

> > > Please read this atachment slowly and this

> > article

> > > tells about Karma and everything about Karma.Of

> > > course this is going little away from

> > Astrology.But

> > > I thought this will be of benefit to every

> > reader.

> > > With best regards,

> > > Ramadas Rao.

> > > Jay Weiss <jayhw@t...> wrote: Dear Visti,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your further explanation.

> > >

> > > The issue of Karma as a whole is very deep and

> > > complicated especially

> > > the parts dealing with 'upper dimentional

> > issues'.

> > > In fact, there are not many living humans in

> > each

> > > generation who are

> > > able to understanding those dimentions, though

> > there

> > > is nothing wrong

> > > in trying ...

> > >

> > > Kind regards

> > > Jay

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum

> > Om

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> --

-

> > > ------> -----

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunit,

> > > > Don't start throwing names, always accept that

> > you

> > > could be wrong,

> > > and

> > > > rema> in humble that way.

> > > >

> > > > The Paramatma has allready divided so many

> > times

> > > to create so many

> > > > jeevatma> s, which are the individual souls.

> > And

> > > these Jeevatma can

> > > also divide,

> > > > caus> ing birth of siamese twins etc, merely

> > > implying 1 soul but

> > > several minds.

> > > >

> > > > As per scripture, Brahma is constantly

> > creating

> > > new beings, this

> > > however

> > > > do> esn't tell us where their souls come from,

> > > which are ALL

> > > expansions of the

> > > > > supreme lord.

> > > >

> > > > So stop counting, say Om Vishnave Namah, and

> > get

> > > back to your/his

> > > origin,

> > > > w> hatever you wanto call it.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > > Visti

> > > > ---

> > > > Bhagavad Purana:

> > http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > > > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

> > > > vedic astrology>

> > > bphs.zip

> > > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

> > > ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> > > > -

> > > > hmm

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:40 AM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: questions on

> > > Karma&life cycle

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jay,

> > > > Being aggressive in challenging me is very

> > > juvenile. Tell me who

> > > > told you that a soul can be divided into two

> > ?

> > > Whoever he is,

> > > please

> > > > re-analyze and judge his spiritual progress.

> > HE

> > > needs some serious

> > > > education. Individual Karma is attached to

> > the

> > > individual soul. A

> > > > soul is not an "Amoeba" that divides and

> > futher

> > > subdivides into

> > > more

> > > > forms. Challenging my intellect is doubting

> > your

> > > own.

> > > > God Bless us all,

> > > > Sunit Mehta

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss"

> > > <jayhw@t...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Sunit Mehta,

> > > > >

> > > > > You say: "Each individual has one soul,

> > unique

> > > to him. It can

> > > not

> > > > be divided

> > > > > !!"

> > > > >

> > > > > I challenge you: --> Prove it!

> > > > >

> > > > > Kind regards

> > > > > Jay Weiss

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > "hmm" <studd2hott>

> > > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > > Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:48 AM

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: questions

> > on

> > > Karma&life cycle

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Jay,

> > > > > > Each individual has one soul, unique to

> > him.

> > > It can not be

> > > > > > divided !! How can one soul evolve into

> > two

> > > individual

> > > beings ?

> > > > Does

> > > > > > not God grant each individual with a

> > unique

> > > soul which records

> > > > and

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

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