Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 Namste Guru As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma and life cycle. Then few questions arise as : 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating soul who then take human body form then in that first janm in what state Soul is working.As there is no previous influence... 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But in first janam such situation will not arise. 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which tells us about past life..and in first janm we have not got past life. Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on this issue. Regards Parag Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 Dear Parag, Very impressive question. Such subtle thinking leads one to higher knowledge. I have thought about that too....what were we in our first life. If we were all unblemished souls were we all the same in our first lives ? I know after that Karma came into effect because the lord gave us free will. This will be indeed a challenging question and the truly knowledgeable could answer it. However everyone should try. God loves u all, Sunit Mehta vedic astrology, parag dharmadhikari <dparagin> wrote: > Namste Guru > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma and > life cycle. > Then few questions arise as : > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating soul > who then take human body form then in that first janm > in what state Soul is working.As there is no previous > influence... > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But in > first janam such situation will not arise. > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which tells > us about past life..and in first janm we have not got > past life. > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on this > issue. > > Regards > Parag > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 Dear Parag, I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and still do) with karma issues: Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm sorry to say) very old too and very sensitive to some. You are not the first nor the only person 'spending' time with such vital issues of life as related to any personal horoscope. It is indeed a very challenging and mind developing stuff. However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can provide you with the correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please) where the answer to Q2 is clear - no karma can be available, where the answer to Q3 is very obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 .... As far as or times are concerned I was told once by an 'older wise man' that principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this world during the last several thousands of years. All are incarnations. Kind regards Jay Weiss - "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin <vedic astrology> Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life cycle > Namste Guru > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma and > life cycle. > Then few questions arise as : > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating soul > who then take human body form then in that first janm > in what state Soul is working.As there is no previous > influence... > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But in > first janam such situation will not arise. > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which tells > us about past life..and in first janm we have not got > past life. > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on this > issue. > > Regards > Parag > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting. > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 Dear Jay Thanks for your reply. But this creates mew questions. 1.You said no answer for Q1...so no more thinking on that 2.So you mean to say that incase of First Janm we can not apply the rules of astrology...so take a imaganary example that person when in first janm goes to any astrologer can astrologer tell him that you are in first janm and so no astrological rules can be applied to you ... 3.how can any chart or d-chart remain in invaild state? 4.As per your last comment if from last thousands yeras no new soul is created then how world population is exploding.To create new human body new soul has to be created.If your statement to be taken then world population should remain constant...isn't it? Regards Parag --- Jay Weiss <jayhw wrote: > Dear Parag, > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and > still do) with karma > issues: > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm > sorry to say) very old too > and very sensitive to some. > You are not the first nor the only person 'spending' > time with such vital > issues of life as related to any personal horoscope. > It is indeed a very > challenging and mind developing stuff. > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can > provide you with the > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please) > where the answer to Q2 > is clear - no karma can be available, where the > answer to Q3 is very > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 .... > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by > an 'older wise man' that > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this > world during the last > several thousands of years. All are incarnations. > > Kind regards > Jay Weiss > > > > - > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin > <vedic astrology> > Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM > [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life > cycle > > > > Namste Guru > > > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma > and > > life cycle. > > Then few questions arise as : > > > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating > soul > > who then take human body form then in that first > janm > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no > previous > > influence... > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that > > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But > in > > first janam such situation will not arise. > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which > tells > > us about past life..and in first janm we have not > got > > past life. > > > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on > this > > issue. > > > > Regards > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > http://webhosting. > > > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 Dear Parag, Great... I love your style ... Turn your Q2 below around: I like to see any astrologer (with all due respect to ALL of US!) studying a chart and telling the person: "Sorry love, I can see from your chart that it's the first time you are here, so what applies are the rules of CURRENT life as you have no past life ... Besides, how would YOU know that it is your first cycle as a soul ? As to Q3 below one can assume hat all the D-charts that are related to current birth (at least 1to 24 or perhaps 30) could be used. Why not ? When we touch your very intelligent Q4 below it is exactly the other way round: Let me ask you the following: did you ever thought of "split soul" option ? That is that one soul can divide at certain incarnations ? There are many examples where the best one (I think) is astral experiences: 'you' leave your body but the body is not 'dead'. If the entire soul would leave the body you'll be here no more ... A new soul with no experience (but with a task) will probably be much different than the "archetypes" we know today. Personally I can't imagine how anyone will be able to explain that as we are actually talking about an entire different DIMENSION here. One which is BEYOND any conventional thinking. Just because it is re-incarnations, the worlds population will increase up to a certain point and not keep constant. Look at it in this way: Take a triangle and place it on its 'head'. Place (theoretically) a single soul at the 'bottom'. Mark this point as the beginning of Kali Yuga (or even the close biblical dating of around 5770 years, or any other counting you prefer). Now go "up" in time. For each 'generation', as it gets wider, you'll find more souls around but (!) "within the limits" of very short life due to various reasons (mostly wars and diseases). This was the general trend until around a couple of hundred years ago (!!!), where the MAJOR explosion came during the unimaginable last 55 years (yes, the worlds population has more than DOUBLED since 2nd world war. Please check http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldpop.html and http://www.geohive.com). Now theoretically, I am nearly convinced (but can not prove it ...) that the sum total of all living humans between the year 'zero' and about around 300 years ago will match a certain number in the future. There is a lot more to it but I wouldn't like to extend it beyond this point on the list as we will drift into issues which are not concerning astrology and rise our respected moderator's temperature ... Kind regards Jay Weiss - "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin > <vedic astrology> Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:02 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle > Dear Jay> > Thanks for your reply.> But this creates mew questions.> > 1.You said no answer for Q1...so no more thinking on> that> 2.So you mean to say that incase of First Janm we can> not apply the rules of astrology...so take a imaganary> example that person when in first janm goes to any> astrologer can astrologer tell him that you are in> first janm and so no astrological rules can be applied> to you ...> 3.how can any chart or d-chart remain in invaild> state?> 4.As per your last comment if from last thousands> yeras no new soul is created then how world population> is exploding.To create new human body new soul has to> be created.If your statement to be taken then world> population should remain constant...isn't it?> > Regards> Parag> > --- Jay Weiss <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:> > Dear Parag,> > > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and> > still do) with karma> > issues:> > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm> > sorry to say) very old too> > and very sensitive to some.> > You are not the first nor the only person 'spending'> > time with such vital> > issues of life as related to any personal horoscope.> > It is indeed a very> > challenging and mind developing stuff.> > > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can> > provide you with the> > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please)> > where the answer to Q2> > is clear - no karma can be available, where the> > answer to Q3 is very> > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 ....> > > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by> > an 'older wise man' that> > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this> > world during the last> > several thousands of years. All are incarnations.> > > > Kind regards> > Jay Weiss> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----> > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin >> > <vedic astrology>> > Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM> > [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life> > cycle> > > > > > > Namste Guru> > >> > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma> > and> > > life cycle.> > > Then few questions arise as :> > >> > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating> > soul> > > who then take human body form then in that first> > janm> > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no> > previous> > > influence...> > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that> > > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes> > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But> > in> > > first janam such situation will not arise.> > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which> > tells> > > us about past life..and in first janm we have not> > got> > > past life.> > >> > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on> > this> > > issue.> > >> > > Regards> > > Parag> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site> > > http://webhosting.> > >> > >> > > Archives:> > vedic astrology> > >> > > Group info:> >> vedic astrology/info.html> > >> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> > vedic astrology-> > >> > > > > >> > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri> > Krishnaarpanamastu ||> > >> > > Your use of is subject to> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site> http://webhosting.> > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 Dear Jay, Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not be divided !! How can one soul evolve into two individual beings ? Does not God grant each individual with a unique soul which records and remembers the karmic actions of every life as it paves its way towards the lord. I think a soul would get confused if it was asked to overlook two bodies !!! Spirituality is way beyond science and scientific reasoning will get a person confused when he thinks about such subtle metaphysical matters. The laws of reincarnation are very intriguing and extends to the causal and astral realms where the souls goes after it leaves the body. God Loves us all, Sunit Mehta. vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > Dear Parag, > > Great... I love your style ... > Turn your Q2 below around: I like to see any astrologer (with all due respect to ALL of US!) studying a chart and telling the person: "Sorry love, I can see from your chart that it's the first time you are here, so what applies are the rules of CURRENT life as you have no past life ... Besides, how would YOU know that it is your first cycle as a soul ? > > As to Q3 below one can assume hat all the D-charts that are related to current birth (at least 1to 24 or perhaps 30) could be used. Why not ? > > When we touch your very intelligent Q4 below it is exactly the other way round: > Let me ask you the following: did you ever thought of "split soul" option ? That is that one soul can divide at certain incarnations ? > There are many examples where the best one (I think) is astral experiences: 'you' leave your body but the body is not 'dead'. If the entire soul would leave the body you'll be here no more ... > A new soul with no experience (but with a task) will probably be much different than the "archetypes" we know today. > > Personally I can't imagine how anyone will be able to explain that as we are actually talking about an entire different DIMENSION here. One which is BEYOND any conventional thinking. > > Just because it is re-incarnations, the worlds population will increase up to a certain point and not keep constant. Look at it in this way: > Take a triangle and place it on its 'head'. > Place (theoretically) a single soul at the 'bottom'. Mark this point as the beginning of Kali Yuga (or even the close biblical dating of around 5770 years, or any other counting you prefer). > Now go "up" in time. For each 'generation', as it gets wider, you'll find more souls around but (!) "within the limits" of very short life due to various reasons (mostly wars and diseases). > > This was the general trend until around a couple of hundred years ago (!!!), where the MAJOR explosion came during the unimaginable last 55 years (yes, the worlds population has more than DOUBLED since 2nd world war. Please check http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldpop.html and http://www.geohive.com). > > Now theoretically, I am nearly convinced (but can not prove it ...) that the sum total of all living humans between the year 'zero' and about around 300 years ago will match a certain number in the future. > There is a lot more to it but I wouldn't like to extend it beyond this point on the list as we will drift into issues which are not concerning astrology and rise our respected moderator's temperature ... > > Kind regards > Jay Weiss > > - > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > <vedic astrology> > Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:02 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle > > > > Dear Jay > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > But this creates mew questions. > > > > 1.You said no answer for Q1...so no more thinking on > > that > > 2.So you mean to say that incase of First Janm we can > > not apply the rules of astrology...so take a imaganary > > example that person when in first janm goes to any > > astrologer can astrologer tell him that you are in > > first janm and so no astrological rules can be applied > > to you ... > > 3.how can any chart or d-chart remain in invaild > > state? > > 4.As per your last comment if from last thousands > > yeras no new soul is created then how world population > > is exploding.To create new human body new soul has to > > be created.If your statement to be taken then world > > population should remain constant...isn't it? > > > > Regards > > Parag > > > > --- Jay Weiss <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and > > > still do) with karma > > > issues: > > > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm > > > sorry to say) very old too > > > and very sensitive to some. > > > You are not the first nor the only person 'spending' > > > time with such vital > > > issues of life as related to any personal horoscope. > > > It is indeed a very > > > challenging and mind developing stuff. > > > > > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can > > > provide you with the > > > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please) > > > where the answer to Q2 > > > is clear - no karma can be available, where the > > > answer to Q3 is very > > > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 .... > > > > > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by > > > an 'older wise man' that > > > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this > > > world during the last > > > several thousands of years. All are incarnations. > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > > <vedic astrology> > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM > > > [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > Namste Guru > > > > > > > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma > > > and > > > > life cycle. > > > > Then few questions arise as : > > > > > > > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating > > > soul > > > > who then take human body form then in that first > > > janm > > > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no > > > previous > > > > influence... > > > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that > > > > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes > > > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But > > > in > > > > first janam such situation will not arise. > > > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which > > > tells > > > > us about past life..and in first janm we have not > > > got > > > > past life. > > > > > > > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on > > > this > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > > > http://webhosting. > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 Dear Sunit Mehta, You say: "Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not be divided !!" I challenge you: --> Prove it! Kind regards Jay Weiss - "hmm" <studd2hott <vedic astrology> Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:48 AM [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle > Dear Jay, > Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not be > divided !! How can one soul evolve into two individual beings ? Does > not God grant each individual with a unique soul which records and > remembers the karmic actions of every life as it paves its way > towards the lord. I think a soul would get confused if it was asked > to overlook two bodies !!! Spirituality is way beyond science and > scientific reasoning will get a person confused when he thinks about > such subtle metaphysical matters. The laws of reincarnation are very > intriguing and extends to the causal and astral realms where the > souls goes after it leaves the body. > God Loves us all, > Sunit Mehta. > > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > Dear Parag, > > > > Great... I love your style ... > > Turn your Q2 below around: I like to see any astrologer (with all > due respect to ALL of US!) studying a chart and telling the > person: "Sorry love, I can see from your chart that it's the first > time you are here, so what applies are the rules of CURRENT life as > you have no past life ... Besides, how would YOU know that it is > your first cycle as a soul ? > > > > As to Q3 below one can assume hat all the D-charts that are > related to current birth (at least 1to 24 or perhaps 30) could be > used. Why not ? > > > > When we touch your very intelligent Q4 below it is exactly the > other way round: > > Let me ask you the following: did you ever thought of "split soul" > option ? That is that one soul can divide at certain incarnations ? > > There are many examples where the best one (I think) is astral > experiences: 'you' leave your body but the body is not 'dead'. If > the entire soul would leave the body you'll be here no more ... > > A new soul with no experience (but with a task) will probably be > much different than the "archetypes" we know today. > > > > Personally I can't imagine how anyone will be able to explain that > as we are actually talking about an entire different DIMENSION here. > One which is BEYOND any conventional thinking. > > > > Just because it is re-incarnations, the worlds population will > increase up to a certain point and not keep constant. Look at it in > this way: > > Take a triangle and place it on its 'head'. > > Place (theoretically) a single soul at the 'bottom'. Mark this > point as the beginning of Kali Yuga (or even the close biblical > dating of around 5770 years, or any other counting you prefer). > > Now go "up" in time. For each 'generation', as it gets wider, > you'll find more souls around but (!) "within the limits" of very > short life due to various reasons (mostly wars and diseases). > > > > This was the general trend until around a couple of hundred years > ago (!!!), where the MAJOR explosion came during the unimaginable > last 55 years (yes, the worlds population has more than DOUBLED > since 2nd world war. Please check > http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldpop.html and > http://www.geohive.com). > > > > Now theoretically, I am nearly convinced (but can not prove > it ...) that the sum total of all living humans between the > year 'zero' and about around 300 years ago will match a certain > number in the future. > > There is a lot more to it but I wouldn't like to extend it beyond > this point on the list as we will drift into issues which are not > concerning astrology and rise our respected moderator's > temperature ... > > > > Kind regards > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > <vedic astrology> > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:02 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle > > > > > > > Dear Jay > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > But this creates mew questions. > > > > > > 1.You said no answer for Q1...so no more thinking on > > > that > > > 2.So you mean to say that incase of First Janm we can > > > not apply the rules of astrology...so take a imaganary > > > example that person when in first janm goes to any > > > astrologer can astrologer tell him that you are in > > > first janm and so no astrological rules can be applied > > > to you ... > > > 3.how can any chart or d-chart remain in invaild > > > state? > > > 4.As per your last comment if from last thousands > > > yeras no new soul is created then how world population > > > is exploding.To create new human body new soul has to > > > be created.If your statement to be taken then world > > > population should remain constant...isn't it? > > > > > > Regards > > > Parag > > > > > > --- Jay Weiss <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and > > > > still do) with karma > > > > issues: > > > > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm > > > > sorry to say) very old too > > > > and very sensitive to some. > > > > You are not the first nor the only person 'spending' > > > > time with such vital > > > > issues of life as related to any personal horoscope. > > > > It is indeed a very > > > > challenging and mind developing stuff. > > > > > > > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can > > > > provide you with the > > > > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please) > > > > where the answer to Q2 > > > > is clear - no karma can be available, where the > > > > answer to Q3 is very > > > > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 .... > > > > > > > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by > > > > an 'older wise man' that > > > > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this > > > > world during the last > > > > several thousands of years. All are incarnations. > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namste Guru > > > > > > > > > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma > > > > and > > > > > life cycle. > > > > > Then few questions arise as : > > > > > > > > > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating > > > > soul > > > > > who then take human body form then in that first > > > > janm > > > > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no > > > > previous > > > > > influence... > > > > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that > > > > > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes > > > > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But > > > > in > > > > > first janam such situation will not arise. > > > > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which > > > > tells > > > > > us about past life..and in first janm we have not > > > > got > > > > > past life. > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on > > > > this > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > > > > http://webhosting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 Dear Jay, Being aggressive in challenging me is very juvenile. Tell me who told you that a soul can be divided into two ? Whoever he is, please re-analyze and judge his spiritual progress. HE needs some serious education. Individual Karma is attached to the individual soul. A soul is not an "Amoeba" that divides and futher subdivides into more forms. Challenging my intellect is doubting your own. God Bless us all, Sunit Mehta vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > Dear Sunit Mehta, > > You say: "Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not be divided > !!" > > I challenge you: --> Prove it! > > Kind regards > Jay Weiss > > > - > "hmm" <studd2hott> > <vedic astrology> > Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:48 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle > > > > Dear Jay, > > Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not be > > divided !! How can one soul evolve into two individual beings ? Does > > not God grant each individual with a unique soul which records and > > remembers the karmic actions of every life as it paves its way > > towards the lord. I think a soul would get confused if it was asked > > to overlook two bodies !!! Spirituality is way beyond science and > > scientific reasoning will get a person confused when he thinks about > > such subtle metaphysical matters. The laws of reincarnation are very > > intriguing and extends to the causal and astral realms where the > > souls goes after it leaves the body. > > God Loves us all, > > Sunit Mehta. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > Great... I love your style ... > > > Turn your Q2 below around: I like to see any astrologer (with all > > due respect to ALL of US!) studying a chart and telling the > > person: "Sorry love, I can see from your chart that it's the first > > time you are here, so what applies are the rules of CURRENT life as > > you have no past life ... Besides, how would YOU know that it is > > your first cycle as a soul ? > > > > > > As to Q3 below one can assume hat all the D-charts that are > > related to current birth (at least 1to 24 or perhaps 30) could be > > used. Why not ? > > > > > > When we touch your very intelligent Q4 below it is exactly the > > other way round: > > > Let me ask you the following: did you ever thought of "split soul" > > option ? That is that one soul can divide at certain incarnations ? > > > There are many examples where the best one (I think) is astral > > experiences: 'you' leave your body but the body is not 'dead'. If > > the entire soul would leave the body you'll be here no more ... > > > A new soul with no experience (but with a task) will probably be > > much different than the "archetypes" we know today. > > > > > > Personally I can't imagine how anyone will be able to explain that > > as we are actually talking about an entire different DIMENSION here. > > One which is BEYOND any conventional thinking. > > > > > > Just because it is re-incarnations, the worlds population will > > increase up to a certain point and not keep constant. Look at it in > > this way: > > > Take a triangle and place it on its 'head'. > > > Place (theoretically) a single soul at the 'bottom'. Mark this > > point as the beginning of Kali Yuga (or even the close biblical > > dating of around 5770 years, or any other counting you prefer). > > > Now go "up" in time. For each 'generation', as it gets wider, > > you'll find more souls around but (!) "within the limits" of very > > short life due to various reasons (mostly wars and diseases). > > > > > > This was the general trend until around a couple of hundred years > > ago (!!!), where the MAJOR explosion came during the unimaginable > > last 55 years (yes, the worlds population has more than DOUBLED > > since 2nd world war. Please check > > http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldpop.html and > > http://www.geohive.com). > > > > > > Now theoretically, I am nearly convinced (but can not prove > > it ...) that the sum total of all living humans between the > > year 'zero' and about around 300 years ago will match a certain > > number in the future. > > > There is a lot more to it but I wouldn't like to extend it beyond > > this point on the list as we will drift into issues which are not > > concerning astrology and rise our respected moderator's > > temperature ... > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > > <vedic astrology> > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:02 PM > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > But this creates mew questions. > > > > > > > > 1.You said no answer for Q1...so no more thinking on > > > > that > > > > 2.So you mean to say that incase of First Janm we can > > > > not apply the rules of astrology...so take a imaganary > > > > example that person when in first janm goes to any > > > > astrologer can astrologer tell him that you are in > > > > first janm and so no astrological rules can be applied > > > > to you ... > > > > 3.how can any chart or d-chart remain in invaild > > > > state? > > > > 4.As per your last comment if from last thousands > > > > yeras no new soul is created then how world population > > > > is exploding.To create new human body new soul has to > > > > be created.If your statement to be taken then world > > > > population should remain constant...isn't it? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Parag > > > > > > > > --- Jay Weiss <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > > > > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and > > > > > still do) with karma > > > > > issues: > > > > > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm > > > > > sorry to say) very old too > > > > > and very sensitive to some. > > > > > You are not the first nor the only person 'spending' > > > > > time with such vital > > > > > issues of life as related to any personal horoscope. > > > > > It is indeed a very > > > > > challenging and mind developing stuff. > > > > > > > > > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can > > > > > provide you with the > > > > > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please) > > > > > where the answer to Q2 > > > > > is clear - no karma can be available, where the > > > > > answer to Q3 is very > > > > > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 .... > > > > > > > > > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by > > > > > an 'older wise man' that > > > > > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this > > > > > world during the last > > > > > several thousands of years. All are incarnations. > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM > > > > > [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namste Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma > > > > > and > > > > > > life cycle. > > > > > > Then few questions arise as : > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating > > > > > soul > > > > > > who then take human body form then in that first > > > > > janm > > > > > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no > > > > > previous > > > > > > influence... > > > > > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that > > > > > > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes > > > > > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But > > > > > in > > > > > > first janam such situation will not arise. > > > > > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which > > > > > tells > > > > > > us about past life..and in first janm we have not > > > > > got > > > > > > past life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on > > > > > this > > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > > > > > http://webhosting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > > vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Sunit, Don't start throwing names, always accept that you could be wrong, and remain humble that way. The Paramatma has allready divided so many times to create so many jeevatmas, which are the individual souls. And these Jeevatma can also divide, causing birth of siamese twins etc, merely implying 1 soul but several minds. As per scripture, Brahma is constantly creating new beings, this however doesn't tell us where their souls come from, which are ALL expansions of the supreme lord. So stop counting, say Om Vishnave Namah, and get back to your/his origin, whatever you wanto call it. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - hmm vedic astrology Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:40 AM [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle Dear Jay,Being aggressive in challenging me is very juvenile. Tell me who told you that a soul can be divided into two ? Whoever he is, please re-analyze and judge his spiritual progress. HE needs some serious education. Individual Karma is attached to the individual soul. A soul is not an "Amoeba" that divides and futher subdivides into more forms. Challenging my intellect is doubting your own.God Bless us all,Sunit Mehtavedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote:> Dear Sunit Mehta,> > You say: "Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not be divided> !!"> > I challenge you: --> Prove it!> > Kind regards> Jay Weiss> > > -> "hmm" <studd2hott>> <vedic astrology>> Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:48 AM> [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle> > > > Dear Jay,> > Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not be> > divided !! How can one soul evolve into two individual beings ? Does> > not God grant each individual with a unique soul which records and> > remembers the karmic actions of every life as it paves its way> > towards the lord. I think a soul would get confused if it was asked> > to overlook two bodies !!! Spirituality is way beyond science and> > scientific reasoning will get a person confused when he thinks about> > such subtle metaphysical matters. The laws of reincarnation are very> > intriguing and extends to the causal and astral realms where the> > souls goes after it leaves the body.> > God Loves us all,> > Sunit Mehta.> >> >> >> > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote:> > > Dear Parag,> > >> > > Great... I love your style ...> > > Turn your Q2 below around: I like to see any astrologer (with all> > due respect to ALL of US!) studying a chart and telling the> > person: "Sorry love, I can see from your chart that it's the first> > time you are here, so what applies are the rules of CURRENT life as> > you have no past life ... Besides, how would YOU know that it is> > your first cycle as a soul ?> > >> > > As to Q3 below one can assume hat all the D-charts that are> > related to current birth (at least 1to 24 or perhaps 30) could be> > used. Why not ?> > >> > > When we touch your very intelligent Q4 below it is exactly the> > other way round:> > > Let me ask you the following: did you ever thought of "split soul"> > option ? That is that one soul can divide at certain incarnations ?> > > There are many examples where the best one (I think) is astral> > experiences: 'you' leave your body but the body is not 'dead'. If> > the entire soul would leave the body you'll be here no more ...> > > A new soul with no experience (but with a task) will probably be> > much different than the "archetypes" we know today.> > >> > > Personally I can't imagine how anyone will be able to explain that> > as we are actually talking about an entire different DIMENSION here.> > One which is BEYOND any conventional thinking.> > >> > > Just because it is re-incarnations, the worlds population will> > increase up to a certain point and not keep constant. Look at it in> > this way:> > > Take a triangle and place it on its 'head'.> > > Place (theoretically) a single soul at the 'bottom'. Mark this> > point as the beginning of Kali Yuga (or even the close biblical> > dating of around 5770 years, or any other counting you prefer).> > > Now go "up" in time. For each 'generation', as it gets wider,> > you'll find more souls around but (!) "within the limits" of very> > short life due to various reasons (mostly wars and diseases).> > >> > > This was the general trend until around a couple of hundred years> > ago (!!!), where the MAJOR explosion came during the unimaginable> > last 55 years (yes, the worlds population has more than DOUBLED> > since 2nd world war. Please check> > http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldpop.html and> > http://www.geohive.com).> > >> > > Now theoretically, I am nearly convinced (but can not prove> > it ...) that the sum total of all living humans between the> > year 'zero' and about around 300 years ago will match a certain> > number in the future.> > > There is a lot more to it but I wouldn't like to extend it beyond> > this point on the list as we will drift into issues which are not> > concerning astrology and rise our respected moderator's> > temperature ...> > >> > > Kind regards> > > Jay Weiss> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ----- Original Message -----> > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin>> > > To: <vedic astrology>> > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:02 PM> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle> > >> > >> > > > Dear Jay> > > >> > > > Thanks for your reply.> > > > But this creates mew questions.> > > >> > > > 1.You said no answer for Q1...so no more thinking on> > > > that> > > > 2.So you mean to say that incase of First Janm we can> > > > not apply the rules of astrology...so take a imaganary> > > > example that person when in first janm goes to any> > > > astrologer can astrologer tell him that you are in> > > > first janm and so no astrological rules can be applied> > > > to you ...> > > > 3.how can any chart or d-chart remain in invaild> > > > state?> > > > 4.As per your last comment if from last thousands> > > > yeras no new soul is created then how world population> > > > is exploding.To create new human body new soul has to> > > > be created.If your statement to be taken then world> > > > population should remain constant...isn't it?> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Parag> > > >> > > > --- Jay Weiss <jayhw@t...> wrote:> > > > > Dear Parag,> > > > >> > > > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and> > > > > still do) with karma> > > > > issues:> > > > > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm> > > > > sorry to say) very old too> > > > > and very sensitive to some.> > > > > You are not the first nor the only person 'spending'> > > > > time with such vital> > > > > issues of life as related to any personal horoscope.> > > > > It is indeed a very> > > > > challenging and mind developing stuff.> > > > >> > > > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can> > > > > provide you with the> > > > > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please)> > > > > where the answer to Q2> > > > > is clear - no karma can be available, where the> > > > > answer to Q3 is very> > > > > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 ....> > > > >> > > > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by> > > > > an 'older wise man' that> > > > > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this> > > > > world during the last> > > > > several thousands of years. All are incarnations.> > > > >> > > > > Kind regards> > > > > Jay Weiss> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----> > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin>> > > > > <vedic astrology>> > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM> > > > > [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life> > > > > cycle> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Namste Guru> > > > > >> > > > > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma> > > > > and> > > > > > life cycle.> > > > > > Then few questions arise as :> > > > > >> > > > > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating> > > > > soul> > > > > > who then take human body form then in that first> > > > > janm> > > > > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no> > > > > previous> > > > > > influence...> > > > > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that> > > > > > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes> > > > > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But> > > > > in> > > > > > first janam such situation will not arise.> > > > > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which> > > > > tells> > > > > > us about past life..and in first janm we have not> > > > > got> > > > > > past life.> > > > > >> > > > > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on> > > > > this> > > > > > issue.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Parag> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site> > > > > > http://webhosting.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Archives:> > > > > vedic astrology> > > > > >> > > > > > Group info:> > > > >> > > > vedic astrology/info.html> > > > > >> > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> > > > > vedic astrology-@e...> > > > > >> > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 Dear loving, wonderful, brother Visti, Very nice answer but I fail to comprehend a soul being divided into two . God can create new souls, he is Omnipotent. But he will not desecrate human beings by transgressing souls. In the end I would want to say, this is what I belive, every one may believe different. In the end the one will reach the whole. Om Namah Shivay, Sunit Mehta vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om > > -- > > Dear Sunit, > Don't start throwing names, always accept that you could be wrong, and remain humble that way. > > The Paramatma has allready divided so many times to create so many jeevatmas, which are the individual souls. And these Jeevatma can also divide, causing birth of siamese twins etc, merely implying 1 soul but several minds. > > As per scripture, Brahma is constantly creating new beings, this however doesn't tell us where their souls come from, which are ALL expansions of the supreme lord. > > So stop counting, say Om Vishnave Namah, and get back to your/his origin, whatever you wanto call it. > > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zip > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html > - > hmm > vedic astrology > Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:40 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle > > > Dear Jay, > Being aggressive in challenging me is very juvenile. Tell me who > told you that a soul can be divided into two ? Whoever he is, please > re-analyze and judge his spiritual progress. HE needs some serious > education. Individual Karma is attached to the individual soul. A > soul is not an "Amoeba" that divides and futher subdivides into more > forms. Challenging my intellect is doubting your own. > God Bless us all, > Sunit Mehta > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > Dear Sunit Mehta, > > > > You say: "Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not > be divided > > !!" > > > > I challenge you: --> Prove it! > > > > Kind regards > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > - > > "hmm" <studd2hott> > > <vedic astrology> > > Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:48 AM > > [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle > > > > > > > Dear Jay, > > > Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not be > > > divided !! How can one soul evolve into two individual beings ? > Does > > > not God grant each individual with a unique soul which records > and > > > remembers the karmic actions of every life as it paves its way > > > towards the lord. I think a soul would get confused if it was > asked > > > to overlook two bodies !!! Spirituality is way beyond science and > > > scientific reasoning will get a person confused when he thinks > about > > > such subtle metaphysical matters. The laws of reincarnation are > very > > > intriguing and extends to the causal and astral realms where the > > > souls goes after it leaves the body. > > > God Loves us all, > > > Sunit Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > > > Great... I love your style ... > > > > Turn your Q2 below around: I like to see any astrologer (with > all > > > due respect to ALL of US!) studying a chart and telling the > > > person: "Sorry love, I can see from your chart that it's the > first > > > time you are here, so what applies are the rules of CURRENT life > as > > > you have no past life ... Besides, how would YOU know that it is > > > your first cycle as a soul ? > > > > > > > > As to Q3 below one can assume hat all the D-charts that are > > > related to current birth (at least 1to 24 or perhaps 30) could be > > > used. Why not ? > > > > > > > > When we touch your very intelligent Q4 below it is exactly the > > > other way round: > > > > Let me ask you the following: did you ever thought of "split > soul" > > > option ? That is that one soul can divide at certain > incarnations ? > > > > There are many examples where the best one (I think) is astral > > > experiences: 'you' leave your body but the body is not 'dead'. If > > > the entire soul would leave the body you'll be here no more ... > > > > A new soul with no experience (but with a task) will probably > be > > > much different than the "archetypes" we know today. > > > > > > > > Personally I can't imagine how anyone will be able to explain > that > > > as we are actually talking about an entire different DIMENSION > here. > > > One which is BEYOND any conventional thinking. > > > > > > > > Just because it is re-incarnations, the worlds population will > > > increase up to a certain point and not keep constant. Look at it > in > > > this way: > > > > Take a triangle and place it on its 'head'. > > > > Place (theoretically) a single soul at the 'bottom'. Mark this > > > point as the beginning of Kali Yuga (or even the close biblical > > > dating of around 5770 years, or any other counting you prefer). > > > > Now go "up" in time. For each 'generation', as it gets wider, > > > you'll find more souls around but (!) "within the limits" of very > > > short life due to various reasons (mostly wars and diseases). > > > > > > > > This was the general trend until around a couple of hundred > years > > > ago (!!!), where the MAJOR explosion came during the > unimaginable > > > last 55 years (yes, the worlds population has more than DOUBLED > > > since 2nd world war. Please check > > > http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldpop.html and > > > http://www.geohive.com). > > > > > > > > Now theoretically, I am nearly convinced (but can not prove > > > it ...) that the sum total of all living humans between the > > > year 'zero' and about around 300 years ago will match a certain > > > number in the future. > > > > There is a lot more to it but I wouldn't like to extend it > beyond > > > this point on the list as we will drift into issues which are not > > > concerning astrology and rise our respected moderator's > > > temperature ... > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:02 PM > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > But this creates mew questions. > > > > > > > > > > 1.You said no answer for Q1...so no more thinking on > > > > > that > > > > > 2.So you mean to say that incase of First Janm we can > > > > > not apply the rules of astrology...so take a imaganary > > > > > example that person when in first janm goes to any > > > > > astrologer can astrologer tell him that you are in > > > > > first janm and so no astrological rules can be applied > > > > > to you ... > > > > > 3.how can any chart or d-chart remain in invaild > > > > > state? > > > > > 4.As per your last comment if from last thousands > > > > > yeras no new soul is created then how world population > > > > > is exploding.To create new human body new soul has to > > > > > be created.If your statement to be taken then world > > > > > population should remain constant...isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > --- Jay Weiss <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and > > > > > > still do) with karma > > > > > > issues: > > > > > > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm > > > > > > sorry to say) very old too > > > > > > and very sensitive to some. > > > > > > You are not the first nor the only person 'spending' > > > > > > time with such vital > > > > > > issues of life as related to any personal horoscope. > > > > > > It is indeed a very > > > > > > challenging and mind developing stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can > > > > > > provide you with the > > > > > > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please) > > > > > > where the answer to Q2 > > > > > > is clear - no karma can be available, where the > > > > > > answer to Q3 is very > > > > > > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 .... > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by > > > > > > an 'older wise man' that > > > > > > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this > > > > > > world during the last > > > > > > several thousands of years. All are incarnations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM > > > > > > [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namste Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma > > > > > > and > > > > > > > life cycle. > > > > > > > Then few questions arise as : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > who then take human body form then in that first > > > > > > janm > > > > > > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > influence... > > > > > > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that > > > > > > > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes > > > > > > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But > > > > > > in > > > > > > > first janam such situation will not arise. > > > > > > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which > > > > > > tells > > > > > > > us about past life..and in first janm we have not > > > > > > got > > > > > > > past life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on > > > > > > this > > > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > > > > > > http://webhosting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > > > vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Sunit, Do not say such words about Siamese twins, we aren't to judge what is right or wrong. The splitting of minds shows the duality that we humans have, namely that sometimes we think one thing, and with time we may change our mind, just as we both may do on this issue. The splitting of heads is also seen with other lifeforms, not just humans, and the insect kingdom seems to have many of these happenings. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - hmm vedic astrology Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:37 PM [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle Dear loving, wonderful, brother Visti,Very nice answer but I fail to comprehend a soul being divided intotwo . God can create new souls, he is Omnipotent. But he will notdesecrate human beings by transgressing souls. In the end I would wantto say, this is what I belive, every one may believe different. In theend the one will reach the whole.Om Namah Shivay,Sunit Mehta--- In vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:> Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om> >--> > Dear Sunit,> Don't start throwing names, always accept that you could be wrong,and remain humble that way.> > The Paramatma has allready divided so many times to create so manyjeevatmas, which are the individual souls. And these Jeevatma can alsodivide, causing birth of siamese twins etc, merely implying 1 soul butseveral minds.> > As per scripture, Brahma is constantly creating new beings, thishowever doesn't tell us where their souls come from, which are ALLexpansions of the supreme lord.> > So stop counting, say Om Vishnave Namah, and get back to your/hisorigin, whatever you wanto call it.> > Best wishes> Visti> ---> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:vedic astrologybphs.zip> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html> - > hmm > vedic astrology > Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:40 AM> [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle> > > Dear Jay,> Being aggressive in challenging me is very juvenile. Tell me who > told you that a soul can be divided into two ? Whoever he is, please > re-analyze and judge his spiritual progress. HE needs some serious > education. Individual Karma is attached to the individual soul. A > soul is not an "Amoeba" that divides and futher subdivides into more > forms. Challenging my intellect is doubting your own.> God Bless us all,> Sunit Mehta> > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote:> > Dear Sunit Mehta,> > > > You say: "Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not > be divided> > !!"> > > > I challenge you: --> Prove it!> > > > Kind regards> > Jay Weiss> > > > > > -> > "hmm" <studd2hott>> > <vedic astrology>> > Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:48 AM> > [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle> > > > > > > Dear Jay,> > > Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not be> > > divided !! How can one soul evolve into two individual beings ? > Does> > > not God grant each individual with a unique soul which records > and> > > remembers the karmic actions of every life as it paves its way> > > towards the lord. I think a soul would get confused if it was > asked> > > to overlook two bodies !!! Spirituality is way beyond science and> > > scientific reasoning will get a person confused when he thinks > about> > > such subtle metaphysical matters. The laws of reincarnation are > very> > > intriguing and extends to the causal and astral realms where the> > > souls goes after it leaves the body.> > > God Loves us all,> > > Sunit Mehta.> > >> > >> > >> > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote:> > > > Dear Parag,> > > >> > > > Great... I love your style ...> > > > Turn your Q2 below around: I like to see any astrologer (with > all> > > due respect to ALL of US!) studying a chart and telling the> > > person: "Sorry love, I can see from your chart that it's the > first> > > time you are here, so what applies are the rules of CURRENT life > as> > > you have no past life ... Besides, how would YOU know that it is> > > your first cycle as a soul ?> > > >> > > > As to Q3 below one can assume hat all the D-charts that are> > > related to current birth (at least 1to 24 or perhaps 30) could be> > > used. Why not ?> > > >> > > > When we touch your very intelligent Q4 below it is exactly the> > > other way round:> > > > Let me ask you the following: did you ever thought of "split > soul"> > > option ? That is that one soul can divide at certain > incarnations ?> > > > There are many examples where the best one (I think) is astral> > > experiences: 'you' leave your body but the body is not 'dead'. If> > > the entire soul would leave the body you'll be here no more ...> > > > A new soul with no experience (but with a task) will probably > be> > > much different than the "archetypes" we know today.> > > >> > > > Personally I can't imagine how anyone will be able to explain > that> > > as we are actually talking about an entire different DIMENSION > here.> > > One which is BEYOND any conventional thinking.> > > >> > > > Just because it is re-incarnations, the worlds population will> > > increase up to a certain point and not keep constant. Look at it > in> > > this way:> > > > Take a triangle and place it on its 'head'.> > > > Place (theoretically) a single soul at the 'bottom'. Mark this> > > point as the beginning of Kali Yuga (or even the close biblical> > > dating of around 5770 years, or any other counting you prefer).> > > > Now go "up" in time. For each 'generation', as it gets wider,> > > you'll find more souls around but (!) "within the limits" of very> > > short life due to various reasons (mostly wars and diseases).> > > >> > > > This was the general trend until around a couple of hundred > years> > > ago (!!!), where the MAJOR explosion came during the > unimaginable> > > last 55 years (yes, the worlds population has more than DOUBLED> > > since 2nd world war. Please check> > > http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldpop.html and> > > http://www.geohive.com).> > > >> > > > Now theoretically, I am nearly convinced (but can not prove> > > it ...) that the sum total of all living humans between the> > > year 'zero' and about around 300 years ago will match a certain> > > number in the future.> > > > There is a lot more to it but I wouldn't like to extend it > beyond> > > this point on the list as we will drift into issues which are not> > > concerning astrology and rise our respected moderator's> > > temperature ...> > > >> > > > Kind regards> > > > Jay Weiss> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin>> > > > <vedic astrology>> > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:02 PM> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life > cycle> > > >> > > >> > > > > Dear Jay> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for your reply.> > > > > But this creates mew questions.> > > > >> > > > > 1.You said no answer for Q1...so no more thinking on> > > > > that> > > > > 2.So you mean to say that incase of First Janm we can> > > > > not apply the rules of astrology...so take a imaganary> > > > > example that person when in first janm goes to any> > > > > astrologer can astrologer tell him that you are in> > > > > first janm and so no astrological rules can be applied> > > > > to you ...> > > > > 3.how can any chart or d-chart remain in invaild> > > > > state?> > > > > 4.As per your last comment if from last thousands> > > > > yeras no new soul is created then how world population> > > > > is exploding.To create new human body new soul has to> > > > > be created.If your statement to be taken then world> > > > > population should remain constant...isn't it?> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Parag> > > > >> > > > > --- Jay Weiss <jayhw@t...> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Parag,> > > > > >> > > > > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and> > > > > > still do) with karma> > > > > > issues:> > > > > > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm> > > > > > sorry to say) very old too> > > > > > and very sensitive to some.> > > > > > You are not the first nor the only person 'spending'> > > > > > time with such vital> > > > > > issues of life as related to any personal horoscope.> > > > > > It is indeed a very> > > > > > challenging and mind developing stuff.> > > > > >> > > > > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can> > > > > > provide you with the> > > > > > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please)> > > > > > where the answer to Q2> > > > > > is clear - no karma can be available, where the> > > > > > answer to Q3 is very> > > > > > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 ....> > > > > >> > > > > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by> > > > > > an 'older wise man' that> > > > > > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this> > > > > > world during the last> > > > > > several thousands of years. All are incarnations.> > > > > >> > > > > > Kind regards> > > > > > Jay Weiss> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----> > > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin>> > > > > > <vedic astrology>> > > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM> > > > > > [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life> > > > > > cycle> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Namste Guru> > > > > > >> > > > > > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma> > > > > > and> > > > > > > life cycle.> > > > > > > Then few questions arise as :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating> > > > > > soul> > > > > > > who then take human body form then in that first> > > > > > janm> > > > > > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no> > > > > > previous> > > > > > > influence...> > > > > > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that> > > > > > > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes> > > > > > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But> > > > > > in> > > > > > > first janam such situation will not arise.> > > > > > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which> > > > > > tells> > > > > > > us about past life..and in first janm we have not> > > > > > got> > > > > > > past life.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on> > > > > > this> > > > > > > issue.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Parag> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site> > > > > > > http://webhosting.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Archives:> > > > > > vedic astrology> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Group info:> > > > > >> > > > > vedic astrology/info.html> > > > > > >> > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> > > > > > vedic astrology-@e...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 Dear Sunit, Am I 'aggresive' for placing an intellectual challange to your statement? Regards Jay > Dear Jay, > Being aggressive in challenging me is very juvenile. Tell me who > told you that a soul can be divided into two ? Whoever he is, please > re-analyze and judge his spiritual progress. HE needs some serious > education. Individual Karma is attached to the individual soul. A > soul is not an "Amoeba" that divides and futher subdivides into more > forms. Challenging my intellect is doubting your own. > God Bless us all, > Sunit Mehta > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > Dear Sunit Mehta, > > > > You say: "Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not > be divided > > !!" > > > > I challenge you: --> Prove it! > > > > Kind regards > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > - > > "hmm" <studd2hott> > > <vedic astrology> > > Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:48 AM > > [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle > > > > > > > Dear Jay, > > > Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not be > > > divided !! How can one soul evolve into two individual beings ? > Does > > > not God grant each individual with a unique soul which records > and > > > remembers the karmic actions of every life as it paves its way > > > towards the lord. I think a soul would get confused if it was > asked > > > to overlook two bodies !!! Spirituality is way beyond science and > > > scientific reasoning will get a person confused when he thinks > about > > > such subtle metaphysical matters. The laws of reincarnation are > very > > > intriguing and extends to the causal and astral realms where the > > > souls goes after it leaves the body. > > > God Loves us all, > > > Sunit Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > > > Great... I love your style ... > > > > Turn your Q2 below around: I like to see any astrologer (with > all > > > due respect to ALL of US!) studying a chart and telling the > > > person: "Sorry love, I can see from your chart that it's the > first > > > time you are here, so what applies are the rules of CURRENT life > as > > > you have no past life ... Besides, how would YOU know that it is > > > your first cycle as a soul ? > > > > > > > > As to Q3 below one can assume hat all the D-charts that are > > > related to current birth (at least 1to 24 or perhaps 30) could be > > > used. Why not ? > > > > > > > > When we touch your very intelligent Q4 below it is exactly the > > > other way round: > > > > Let me ask you the following: did you ever thought of "split > soul" > > > option ? That is that one soul can divide at certain > incarnations ? > > > > There are many examples where the best one (I think) is astral > > > experiences: 'you' leave your body but the body is not 'dead'. If > > > the entire soul would leave the body you'll be here no more ... > > > > A new soul with no experience (but with a task) will probably > be > > > much different than the "archetypes" we know today. > > > > > > > > Personally I can't imagine how anyone will be able to explain > that > > > as we are actually talking about an entire different DIMENSION > here. > > > One which is BEYOND any conventional thinking. > > > > > > > > Just because it is re-incarnations, the worlds population will > > > increase up to a certain point and not keep constant. Look at it > in > > > this way: > > > > Take a triangle and place it on its 'head'. > > > > Place (theoretically) a single soul at the 'bottom'. Mark this > > > point as the beginning of Kali Yuga (or even the close biblical > > > dating of around 5770 years, or any other counting you prefer). > > > > Now go "up" in time. For each 'generation', as it gets wider, > > > you'll find more souls around but (!) "within the limits" of very > > > short life due to various reasons (mostly wars and diseases). > > > > > > > > This was the general trend until around a couple of hundred > years > > > ago (!!!), where the MAJOR explosion came during the > unimaginable > > > last 55 years (yes, the worlds population has more than DOUBLED > > > since 2nd world war. Please check > > > http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldpop.html and > > > http://www.geohive.com). > > > > > > > > Now theoretically, I am nearly convinced (but can not prove > > > it ...) that the sum total of all living humans between the > > > year 'zero' and about around 300 years ago will match a certain > > > number in the future. > > > > There is a lot more to it but I wouldn't like to extend it > beyond > > > this point on the list as we will drift into issues which are not > > > concerning astrology and rise our respected moderator's > > > temperature ... > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:02 PM > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > But this creates mew questions. > > > > > > > > > > 1.You said no answer for Q1...so no more thinking on > > > > > that > > > > > 2.So you mean to say that incase of First Janm we can > > > > > not apply the rules of astrology...so take a imaganary > > > > > example that person when in first janm goes to any > > > > > astrologer can astrologer tell him that you are in > > > > > first janm and so no astrological rules can be applied > > > > > to you ... > > > > > 3.how can any chart or d-chart remain in invaild > > > > > state? > > > > > 4.As per your last comment if from last thousands > > > > > yeras no new soul is created then how world population > > > > > is exploding.To create new human body new soul has to > > > > > be created.If your statement to be taken then world > > > > > population should remain constant...isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > --- Jay Weiss <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and > > > > > > still do) with karma > > > > > > issues: > > > > > > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm > > > > > > sorry to say) very old too > > > > > > and very sensitive to some. > > > > > > You are not the first nor the only person 'spending' > > > > > > time with such vital > > > > > > issues of life as related to any personal horoscope. > > > > > > It is indeed a very > > > > > > challenging and mind developing stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can > > > > > > provide you with the > > > > > > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please) > > > > > > where the answer to Q2 > > > > > > is clear - no karma can be available, where the > > > > > > answer to Q3 is very > > > > > > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 .... > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by > > > > > > an 'older wise man' that > > > > > > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this > > > > > > world during the last > > > > > > several thousands of years. All are incarnations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM > > > > > > [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namste Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma > > > > > > and > > > > > > > life cycle. > > > > > > > Then few questions arise as : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > who then take human body form then in that first > > > > > > janm > > > > > > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > influence... > > > > > > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that > > > > > > > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes > > > > > > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But > > > > > > in > > > > > > > first janam such situation will not arise. > > > > > > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which > > > > > > tells > > > > > > > us about past life..and in first janm we have not > > > > > > got > > > > > > > past life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on > > > > > > this > > > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > > > > > > http://webhosting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > > > vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > > > > > > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > > > > http://webhosting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > @e... > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 Om Sri Gurave Namah, Daer Parag, For such challenging questions read Puraana like Bhagavat Puraanam, Shiva Puraana etc all have a chapter on creations from how The grandsire of All Lord Brahma and his various children were born. Their karma and how we all have inheritted part of it. For that matter all the grahas are also their children. Even before Lord Brahma there existed not even the graha's so the question of Casting his chart does not arise. For The state before that I suppose one has to read and medidate more to comprehend. All the best Warm regards. S.Prabhakaran. - parag dharmadhikari vedic astrology Saturday, November 16, 2002 10:02 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle Dear JayThanks for your reply.But this creates mew questions.1.You said no answer for Q1...so no more thinking onthat2.So you mean to say that incase of First Janm we cannot apply the rules of astrology...so take a imaganaryexample that person when in first janm goes to anyastrologer can astrologer tell him that you are infirst janm and so no astrological rules can be appliedto you ....3.how can any chart or d-chart remain in invaildstate?4.As per your last comment if from last thousandsyeras no new soul is created then how world populationis exploding.To create new human body new soul has tobe created.If your statement to be taken then worldpopulation should remain constant...isn't it?RegardsParag--- Jay Weiss <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:> Dear Parag,> > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and> still do) with karma> issues:> Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm> sorry to say) very old too> and very sensitive to some.> You are not the first nor the only person 'spending'> time with such vital> issues of life as related to any personal horoscope.> It is indeed a very> challenging and mind developing stuff.> > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can> provide you with the> correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please)> where the answer to Q2> is clear - no karma can be available, where the> answer to Q3 is very> obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 ....> > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by> an 'older wise man' that> principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this> world during the last> several thousands of years. All are incarnations.> > Kind regards> Jay Weiss> > > > -> "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin >> To: <vedic astrology>> Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM> [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life> cycle> > > > Namste Guru> >> > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma> and> > life cycle.> > Then few questions arise as :> >> > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating> soul> > who then take human body form then in that first> janm> > in what state Soul is working.As there is no> previous> > influence...> > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that> > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes> > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But> in> > first janam such situation will not arise.> > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which> tells> > us about past life..and in first janm we have not> got> > past life.> >> > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on> this> > issue.> >> > Regards> > Parag> >> >> > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site> > http://webhosting.> >> >> > Archives:> vedic astrology> >> > Group info:>vedic astrology/info.html> >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to> vedic astrology-> >> > > >> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri> Krishnaarpanamastu ||> >> > Your use of is subject to> > >> >> > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your sitehttp://webhosting.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 Dear Jay, Challenging an individual definitely implies agression. It shows the lack of belief in an individual in his beliefs, trying to prove his point by a mental stimulant targeted at someones ego. I do what I feel is right, accepting challenges will make my mind succumb to the delusions of this world. As long as I know what the truth is, satisfying your intellectual ego by the spark of a mental stimulant in the form of a challenge will not make me any better or any worse. Om Namah Shivay, Sunit vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > Dear Sunit, > > Am I 'aggresive' for placing an intellectual challange to your > statement? > > Regards > Jay > > > > > Dear Jay, > > Being aggressive in challenging me is very juvenile. Tell me who > > told you that a soul can be divided into two ? Whoever he is, please > > re-analyze and judge his spiritual progress. HE needs some serious > > education. Individual Karma is attached to the individual soul. A > > soul is not an "Amoeba" that divides and futher subdivides into more > > forms. Challenging my intellect is doubting your own. > > God Bless us all, > > Sunit Mehta > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > Dear Sunit Mehta, > > > > > > You say: "Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not > > be divided > > > !!" > > > > > > I challenge you: --> Prove it! > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > - > > > "hmm" <studd2hott> > > > <vedic astrology> > > > Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:48 AM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life cycle > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay, > > > > Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not be > > > > divided !! How can one soul evolve into two individual beings ? > > Does > > > > not God grant each individual with a unique soul which records > > and > > > > remembers the karmic actions of every life as it paves its way > > > > towards the lord. I think a soul would get confused if it was > > asked > > > > to overlook two bodies !!! Spirituality is way beyond science and > > > > scientific reasoning will get a person confused when he thinks > > about > > > > such subtle metaphysical matters. The laws of reincarnation are > > very > > > > intriguing and extends to the causal and astral realms where the > > > > souls goes after it leaves the body. > > > > God Loves us all, > > > > Sunit Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > > > > > Great... I love your style ... > > > > > Turn your Q2 below around: I like to see any astrologer (with > > all > > > > due respect to ALL of US!) studying a chart and telling the > > > > person: "Sorry love, I can see from your chart that it's the > > first > > > > time you are here, so what applies are the rules of CURRENT life > > as > > > > you have no past life ... Besides, how would YOU know that it is > > > > your first cycle as a soul ? > > > > > > > > > > As to Q3 below one can assume hat all the D-charts that are > > > > related to current birth (at least 1to 24 or perhaps 30) could be > > > > used. Why not ? > > > > > > > > > > When we touch your very intelligent Q4 below it is exactly the > > > > other way round: > > > > > Let me ask you the following: did you ever thought of "split > > soul" > > > > option ? That is that one soul can divide at certain > > incarnations ? > > > > > There are many examples where the best one (I think) is astral > > > > experiences: 'you' leave your body but the body is not 'dead'. If > > > > the entire soul would leave the body you'll be here no more ... > > > > > A new soul with no experience (but with a task) will probably > > be > > > > much different than the "archetypes" we know today. > > > > > > > > > > Personally I can't imagine how anyone will be able to explain > > that > > > > as we are actually talking about an entire different DIMENSION > > here. > > > > One which is BEYOND any conventional thinking. > > > > > > > > > > Just because it is re-incarnations, the worlds population will > > > > increase up to a certain point and not keep constant. Look at it > > in > > > > this way: > > > > > Take a triangle and place it on its 'head'. > > > > > Place (theoretically) a single soul at the 'bottom'. Mark this > > > > point as the beginning of Kali Yuga (or even the close biblical > > > > dating of around 5770 years, or any other counting you prefer). > > > > > Now go "up" in time. For each 'generation', as it gets wider, > > > > you'll find more souls around but (!) "within the limits" of very > > > > short life due to various reasons (mostly wars and diseases). > > > > > > > > > > This was the general trend until around a couple of hundred > > years > > > > ago (!!!), where the MAJOR explosion came during the > > unimaginable > > > > last 55 years (yes, the worlds population has more than DOUBLED > > > > since 2nd world war. Please check > > > > http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldpop.html and > > > > http://www.geohive.com). > > > > > > > > > > Now theoretically, I am nearly convinced (but can not prove > > > > it ...) that the sum total of all living humans between the > > > > year 'zero' and about around 300 years ago will match a certain > > > > number in the future. > > > > > There is a lot more to it but I wouldn't like to extend it > > beyond > > > > this point on the list as we will drift into issues which are not > > > > concerning astrology and rise our respected moderator's > > > > temperature ... > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:02 PM > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: questions on Karma&life > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > But this creates mew questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.You said no answer for Q1...so no more thinking on > > > > > > that > > > > > > 2.So you mean to say that incase of First Janm we can > > > > > > not apply the rules of astrology...so take a imaganary > > > > > > example that person when in first janm goes to any > > > > > > astrologer can astrologer tell him that you are in > > > > > > first janm and so no astrological rules can be applied > > > > > > to you ... > > > > > > 3.how can any chart or d-chart remain in invaild > > > > > > state? > > > > > > 4.As per your last comment if from last thousands > > > > > > yeras no new soul is created then how world population > > > > > > is exploding.To create new human body new soul has to > > > > > > be created.If your statement to be taken then world > > > > > > population should remain constant...isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Jay Weiss <jayhw@t...> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and > > > > > > > still do) with karma > > > > > > > issues: > > > > > > > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm > > > > > > > sorry to say) very old too > > > > > > > and very sensitive to some. > > > > > > > You are not the first nor the only person 'spending' > > > > > > > time with such vital > > > > > > > issues of life as related to any personal horoscope. > > > > > > > It is indeed a very > > > > > > > challenging and mind developing stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can > > > > > > > provide you with the > > > > > > > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please) > > > > > > > where the answer to Q2 > > > > > > > is clear - no karma can be available, where the > > > > > > > answer to Q3 is very > > > > > > > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by > > > > > > > an 'older wise man' that > > > > > > > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this > > > > > > > world during the last > > > > > > > several thousands of years. All are incarnations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin> > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namste Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > life cycle. > > > > > > > > Then few questions arise as : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > who then take human body form then in that first > > > > > > > janm > > > > > > > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > influence... > > > > > > > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that > > > > > > > > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes > > > > > > > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > first janam such situation will not arise. > > > > > > > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which > > > > > > > tells > > > > > > > > us about past life..and in first janm we have not > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > past life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > > > > > > > http://webhosting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > > > > vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > > > > > > > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > > > > > http://webhosting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > @e... > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 hello all, THANK YOU! Now we see thinly, as through a veil. Then we shall see face to face. When I answer the question I will BE the answer? Om Namah Shivaya --- Jay Weiss <jayhw wrote: > Dear Parag, > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and > still do) with karma > issues: > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm > sorry to say) very old too > and very sensitive to some. > You are not the first nor the only person 'spending' > time with such vital > issues of life as related to any personal horoscope. > It is indeed a very > challenging and mind developing stuff. > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can > provide you with the > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please) > where the answer to Q2 > is clear - no karma can be available, where the > answer to Q3 is very > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 .... > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by > an 'older wise man' that > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this > world during the last > several thousands of years. All are incarnations. > > Kind regards > Jay Weiss > > > > - > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin > <vedic astrology> > Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM > [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life > cycle > > > > Namste Guru > > > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma > and > > life cycle. > > Then few questions arise as : > > > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating > soul > > who then take human body form then in that first > janm > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no > previous > > influence... > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that > > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But > in > > first janam such situation will not arise. > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which > tells > > us about past life..and in first janm we have not > got > > past life. > > > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on > this > > issue. > > > > Regards > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > > http://webhosting. > > > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 dear members, this is interesting topic insome way it is part of astrology, its like one has to find answer for himself otherwise it become a foolish argument where no one agree on anything see mind has cunning way to justified all in far and against ideas no one ever could give calculation as living are more than dead peple its like god i gave two dollar at your temple so please give me million dollar lotto. that kind of karma is bania business or mind work did you ever find some even born as human suffer worst than animals does suffering lift the soul up or just a karmic way to get the yoni. or why prince charles got a yoni to be prince. look into complexity of relatiobship this will bring close to understand karma. could anyone can run away from himself. friends could we see this way there is no begining and no ends nothing dies in nature it only change shape wood become ashes and ashes sourse of energy to new birth and cycle keep on going so the total sum of energy remain same. so if the person is blocked to body it come it dies but the individul consciousness remain hidden in his depth so mind is asset let you forget all the misery one get thrugh all past incarnation . good and bad both binds us to the body to reap the result of karma but nonactivity or detachment from result will only bring the individiual answer to one quistion. whether there was begining of first janm. see all this knowlege of the world is tring to find the first aand last page of first knowledge book and we have not found yet but we have written billion of books and we are disecting every bit of our answer find more answer with science the janm we have dont understand we are worring about to find the first janm. i bet you if all the memory is put on your memory computer up to one first janm one will be completely go crazy. so start slowly yeh rastey hai mysterious. regards i dont mean to offend anyone its my quistion to myself is this body breath or there is spirit inside make me breath/ rajinder --- James Carroll <chs_jim wrote: > hello all, > THANK YOU! > Now we see thinly, as through a veil. Then we shall > see face to face. When I answer the question I will > BE > the answer? > > Om Namah Shivaya > --- Jay Weiss <jayhw wrote: > > Dear Parag, > > > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt > (and > > still do) with karma > > issues: > > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm > > sorry to say) very old too > > and very sensitive to some. > > You are not the first nor the only person > 'spending' > > time with such vital > > issues of life as related to any personal > horoscope. > > It is indeed a very > > challenging and mind developing stuff. > > > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING > can > > provide you with the > > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here > please) > > where the answer to Q2 > > is clear - no karma can be available, where the > > answer to Q3 is very > > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 .... > > > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once > by > > an 'older wise man' that > > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this > > world during the last > > several thousands of years. All are incarnations. > > > > Kind regards > > Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > - > > "parag dharmadhikari" <dparagin > > <vedic astrology> > > Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:51 PM > > [vedic astrology] questions on Karma&life > > cycle > > > > > > > Namste Guru > > > > > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma > > and > > > life cycle. > > > Then few questions arise as : > > > > > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is > creating > > soul > > > who then take human body form then in that first > > janm > > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no > > previous > > > influence... > > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on > that > > > body as astrology tells us that due to last > lifes > > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But > > in > > > first janam such situation will not arise. > > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which > > tells > > > us about past life..and in first janm we have > not > > got > > > past life. > > > > > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on > > this > > > issue. > > > > > > Regards > > > Parag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your > site > > > http://webhosting. > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > vedic astrology > > > > > > Group info: > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting. > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 Dear Parag RAM KRISHN HARE Before I reply to your answers,I will give an example. We human beings do a lot of thing for our entertainment and time-pass. We create plays/movies/soap-operas etc as one of the means for time- pass. Even though we watch it,we know that it is just acting and not the truth. The actor may be doing very bad roles but is a good person in reality. His good/bad work in play has no effect on his normal life.His birth and death in serial are all false.He is completely unaffected by all his roles. Now,consider that Atma is watching its own act in the form of different bodies and the play is directed by Paramatma.Lord Brahma is script writer! So all roles are to be played as per the Script(our destiny).Atma will remain unaffected from all these roles/acts.HE will choose suitable Atmas for different roles at different times. Now you know that Atma is just similar to Paramatma with very small difference.It never comes/goes or does anything.So there is no question of it being good/bad.It will never be different from God/Paramatma. Try this: Keep several mirrors in open space under Sun.You will see several Sun in those mirrors emitting light!Will you say that Sun has multiplied? It is just Maya!Do not confuse yourself with Atma/jeevatma Etc. Adition/removal of mirror does not mean you have added/removed Sun. All Atmas are just the Mirror image of Paramatma like Sun in above case. This is why every thing is just Maya(illusion). Now your questions: (1) what about first janm.If we say God is creating soul who then take human body form then in that first janm in what state Soul is working.As there is no previous influence... If you read Puranas,you will find that in the first janm, there was full freedom of karm.Those souls(bodies to be more correct) went for Tap and achieved Moksha.It was the Curse of Lord Brahma,that forced some of them to create new souls(bodies)and due to different karmas and curses,they were trapped in Bhav-Sagar(Sea of births!).The first souls were capable of getting any thing just by desire and their words determined the future. There was no need of Jyotish as any-thing spoken became true!complete Free-will!!! (2)In such situation Astrology can not work on that body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But in first janam such situation will not arise. We know that Sun was born from Sage Kashyap.Moon came out from Sea.Mars is son of Earth and Vaman(Vishnu's Avatar).Mercury is Son of Moon.Jupiter is son of Sage Angira.Venus is son of Sage Bhrigu(writer of Bhrigu-Samhita).Saturn is Son of Sun.Similarly Rahu was cut in 2 parts to form Ketu.So it is clear that for a very long time,Grahas were not born.So for first janm, there were no such thing like jyotish.It started after all grahas were born and assigned their duties by Lord. (3)And in first janm what about D-60 chart which tells us about past life..and in first janm we have not got past life. As explained above,There was no jyotish at the time of first birth so no question of D60 Etc.Always remember that in first janm,body has complete free-will. SEE SOME REMARKS IN BOLD BELOW All janm are Maya and are continuation of the role in different acts. It is just a time-pass by Paramatma. Thanks Anilkumar OM TAT SAT ***************** YOU WROTE: > Dear Sunit, > > The Paramatma has allready divided so many times to create so many jeevatmas, which are the individual souls. And these Jeevatma can also divide, causing birth of siamese twins etc, merely implying 1 soul but several minds. > > As per scripture, Brahma is constantly creating new beings, this however doesn't tell us where their souls come from, which are ALL expansions of the supreme lord. ANILKUMAR:ATMA CAN NEITHER BE CREATED NOR BE DESTROYED > So stop counting, say Om Vishnave Namah, and get back to your/his origin, whatever you wanto call it. > > Best wishes > Visti ************ > > > Dear Jay, > > > Each individual has one soul, unique to him. It can not be > > > divided !! How can one soul evolve into two individual beings ? > Does > > > not God grant each individual with a unique soul which records and > > > remembers the karmic actions of every life as it paves its way > > > towards the lord. I think a soul would get confused if it was > asked > > > to overlook two bodies !!! Spirituality is way beyond science and > > > scientific reasoning will get a person confused when he thinks > about > > > such subtle metaphysical matters. The laws of reincarnation are > very > > > intriguing and extends to the causal and astral realms where the > > > souls goes after it leaves the body. ANILKUMAR:ATMA CAN NEVER BE CONFUSED. ALL KARMAS ARE STORED IN MANA AND NOT IN ATMA.IF MANA BECOMES FREE,IT GETS MOKSH.IF MIRROR IS DIRTY,IMAGE WILL ALSO LOOK DIRTY. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IMAGE IS ALSO DIRTY. WHAT IS MOKSH? WHO GETS MOKSH? MOKSH IS FREEDOM (FROM BIRTHS).ATMA IS ALWAYS FREE. MANA WILL GET MOKSH. > > > God Loves us all, > > > Sunit Mehta. ************************* > > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > > > Great... I love your style ... > > > > Turn your Q2 below around: I like to see any astrologer (with > all > > > due respect to ALL of US!) studying a chart and telling the > > > person: "Sorry love, I can see from your chart that it's the > first > > > time you are here, so what applies are the rules of CURRENT life > as > > > you have no past life ... Besides, how would YOU know that it is > > > your first cycle as a soul ? > > > > > > > > As to Q3 below one can assume hat all the D-charts that are > > > related to current birth (at least 1to 24 or perhaps 30) could be > > > used. Why not ? > > > > > > > > When we touch your very intelligent Q4 below it is exactly the > > > other way round: > > > > Let me ask you the following: did you ever thought of "split > soul" > > > option ? That is that one soul can divide at certain > incarnations ? > > > > There are many examples where the best one (I think) is astral > > > experiences: 'you' leave your body but the body is not 'dead'. If > > > the entire soul would leave the body you'll be here no more ... > > > > A new soul with no experience (but with a task) will probably > be > > > much different than the "archetypes" we know today. > > > > > > > > Personally I can't imagine how anyone will be able to explain > that > > > as we are actually talking about an entire different DIMENSION > here. > > > One which is BEYOND any conventional thinking. > > > > > > > > Just because it is re-incarnations, the worlds population will > > > increase up to a certain point and not keep constant. Look at it > in > > > this way: > > > > Take a triangle and place it on its 'head'. > > > > Place (theoretically) a single soul at the 'bottom'. Mark this > > > point as the beginning of Kali Yuga (or even the close biblical > > > dating of around 5770 years, or any other counting you prefer). > > > > Now go "up" in time. For each 'generation', as it gets wider, > > > you'll find more souls around but (!) "within the limits" of very > > > short life due to various reasons (mostly wars and diseases). > > > > > > > > This was the general trend until around a couple of hundred > years > > > ago (!!!), where the MAJOR explosion came during the > unimaginable > > > last 55 years (yes, the worlds population has more than DOUBLED > > > since 2nd world war. Please check > > > <http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldpop.html> and > > > <http://www.geohive.com>). > > > > > > > > Now theoretically, I am nearly convinced (but can not prove > > > it ...) that the sum total of all living humans between the > > > year 'zero' and about around 300 years ago will match a certain > > > number in the future. > > > > There is a lot more to it but I wouldn't like to extend it > beyond > > > this point on the list as we will drift into issues which are not > > > concerning astrology and rise our respected moderator's > > > temperature ... ANILKUMAR: ALL TRAVEL IS BY MANA AND NOT BY ATMA.THERE IS NO LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF BODIES AS THEY ARE ALL ILLUSIONS.IF VISION IS DEFECTIVE,YOU CAN SEE TWO MOONS ETC. SAME APPLIES TO POPULATION EXPLOSION(AT ATMIC LAVEL). WHAT WILL YOU SAY ABOUT THE SOULS LOST DUE TO DE-FORESTATION?WE HAVE DESTROYED BILLIONS OF PLANTS/ANIMALS/INSECTS ETC. SO THEIR SOULS MAY BE CONVERTED INTO HUMANS.THERE ARE SEVERAL LOKAS(PLANETS)FROM WHICH SOULS CAN COME(AT PHYSICAL LEVEL). > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > Jay Weiss ************************* > > > > > Dear Jay > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > But this creates mew questions. > > > > > > > > > > 1.You said no answer for Q1...so no more thinking on > > > > > that > > > > > 2.So you mean to say that incase of First Janm we can > > > > > not apply the rules of astrology...so take a imaganary > > > > > example that person when in first janm goes to any > > > > > astrologer can astrologer tell him that you are in > > > > > first janm and so no astrological rules can be applied > > > > > to you ... > > > > > 3.how can any chart or d-chart remain in invaild > > > > > state? > > > > > 4.As per your last comment if from last thousands > > > > > yeras no new soul is created then how world population > > > > > is exploding.To create new human body new soul has to > > > > > be created.If your statement to be taken then world > > > > > population should remain constant...isn't it? ANILKUMAR:READ PREVIOUS ANSWERS.MANA(DESIRES) AND BUDDHI(KNOWLEDGE) ARE THE 2 COVERS OF SOULS(OUT OF 5 CALLED PANCHKOSH) WHICH FORCE IT TO PLAY DIFFERENT ROLES.EQUILIBRIUM IS MAINTAINED IN PRAKRITI BY SUCH THINGS. THIS TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION ALL LOKAS NOT JUST PRITHVI. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Parag ***************************** > > > > > > Dear Parag, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm no guru but here are my 2 cents as I dealt (and > > > > > > still do) with karma > > > > > > issues: > > > > > > Your questions are definitely in place but (I'm > > > > > > sorry to say) very old too > > > > > > and very sensitive to some. > > > > > > You are not the first nor the only person 'spending' > > > > > > time with such vital > > > > > > issues of life as related to any personal horoscope. > > > > > > It is indeed a very > > > > > > challenging and mind developing stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, My opinion is such that NO HUMAN BEING can > > > > > > provide you with the > > > > > > correct answer to Q1 (keep an open mind here please) > > > > > > where the answer to Q2 > > > > > > is clear - no karma can be available, where the > > > > > > answer to Q3 is very > > > > > > obvious - there couldn't be any valid D-60 .... > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as or times are concerned I was told once by > > > > > > an 'older wise man' that > > > > > > principally there are NO NEW SOULS born into this > > > > > > world during the last > > > > > > several thousands of years. All are incarnations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > Jay Weiss ******************* > > > > > > > Namste Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As some mebers are trying to explain about Karma > > > > > > and > > > > > > > life cycle. > > > > > > > Then few questions arise as : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.what about first janm.If we say God is creating > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > who then take human body form then in that first > > > > > > janm > > > > > > > in what state Soul is working.As there is no > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > influence... > > > > > > > 2.In such situation Astrology can not work on that > > > > > > > body as astrology tells us that due to last lifes > > > > > > > good/bad karma we inherit planetary postions.But > > > > > > in > > > > > > > first janam such situation will not arise. > > > > > > > 3.And in first janm what about D-60 chart which > > > > > > tells > > > > > > > us about past life..and in first janm we have not > > > > > > got > > > > > > > past life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully some guru may think to enlighten me on > > > > > > this > > > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Parag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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