Guest guest Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 Hello all. Aquarius is ruled by two planets namely Saturn and Rahu. How do we decide which is the Asc's significator planet? E.g in my Case Asc Aq (21:45) with Rahu is in Hse 12 ( 13:07 ) whereas Sa is in Hse 4 (8:25)but Retrograde. Thank you in advanced. Tenzin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 Dear Tenzin, Would you please give your full birth data so a chart can be made. Finding out which of the two rulers of Aquarius or Scorpio involves more than just the placements of the two rulers, aspects to each of the planets is also important. Take care..........Phyllis - Tenzin Konchog vedic astrology Monday, November 04, 2002 7:22 PM [vedic astrology] Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Hello all. Aquarius is ruled by two planets namely Saturn and Rahu. How do we decide which is the Asc's significator planet? E.g in my Case Asc Aq (21:45) with Rahu is in Hse 12 ( 13:07 ) whereas Sa is in Hse 4 (8:25)but Retrograde.Thank you in advanced.TenzinArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 Phyl Chubb MA <aboutyou (AT) telus (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Tenzin, Would you please give your full birth data so a chart can be made. Finding out which of the two rulers of Aquarius or Scorpio involves more than just the placements of the two rulers, aspects to each of the planets is also important. Take care..........Phyllis - Tenzin Konchog vedic astrology Monday, November 04, 2002 7:22 PM [vedic astrology] Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Hello all. Aquarius is ruled by two planets namely Saturn and Rahu. How do we decide which is the Asc's significator planet? E.g in my Case Asc Aq (21:45) with Rahu is in Hse 12 ( 13:07 ) whereas Sa is in Hse 4 (8:25)but Retrograde.Thank you in advanced.TenzinArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Saumya Ray ChaudhuriIMTECH,Sector 39A, Chandigarh-160036ph 0172 690751(lab) HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2002 Report Share Posted November 5, 2002 Dear Saumya, Phyllis, If I may try to answer this question - I had recently gone through this question related to my studies in astrology. I guess the question of relative strengths of the two lords of a house occurs in 2 houses only Aquarius and Scorpio. (Aq -> Sa/Ra or Sc -> Ma/Ke). Evaluating the relative strengths of the two planets depends on the purpose of evaluation. For general horoscope impact, Shadbala or Vimsopaka bala may be used. In case of evaluating lords for Narayana Dasa or calculating Arudhas, the procedure is as follows (the idea is evaluate sequentially until one of the two emerges stronger and go no further). 1. If one of the co-lords is joined by multiple planets, then it is stronger. I have come across somewhere that we need to include Drishties in addition to being conjoin. Can someone please clarify? 2. A planet conjoined/aspected (using Rasi aspect) by more of the following three is considered stronger: a. Jupiter; b. Mercury c. Dispositor of planet 3. If one of the two planets is exalted, it is stronger 4. Natural strength of rasi containing planet (Dwiswabhava > Sthira > Chara) 5. If we have tied after 4, it depends on use for Narayana Dasa - use the planet that gives longer years and for Arudhas use the planet more advanced in Rasi (The nodes counted from end of rasi). Hope that helps, regards, ss saumya ray chaudhuri [saumya (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com] 05 November 2002 07:15To: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Dear Phyllis, I want to clarify one of my doubts. Aquarius is ruled by both Rahu and Saturn. Do you condsider the lordship accordingly for a particular horoscope. .Aqu stands 5th house for Libra asc. now both Saturn and Rahu rule it. Now Saturn - Venus combination is the combination of 5th lord and Lagna lord. Do you consider the same if Rahu and Venus combined? I appreciate if you please clarify. Phyl Chubb MA <aboutyou (AT) telus (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Tenzin, Would you please give your full birth data so a chart can be made. Finding out which of the two rulers of Aquarius or Scorpio involves more than just the placements of the two rulers, aspects to each of the planets is also important. Take care..........Phyllis - Tenzin Konchog vedic astrology Monday, November 04, 2002 7:22 PM [vedic astrology] Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Hello all. Aquarius is ruled by two planets namely Saturn and Rahu. How do we decide which is the Asc's significator planet? E.g in my Case Asc Aq (21:45) with Rahu is in Hse 12 ( 13:07 ) whereas Sa is in Hse 4 (8:25)but Retrograde.Thank you in advanced.TenzinArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Saumya Ray ChaudhuriIMTECH,Sector 39A, Chandigarh-160036ph 0172 690751(lab) HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2002 Report Share Posted November 5, 2002 Dear Phyllis My birth data is as follows: Dec 10th, 1971 at 13:07hrs in 101E42, 3N10 ( Kuala Lumpur ). With this Data using Junior Jyotish, I came up with Aq as ascendant. Thank you Tenzin vedic astrology, "Phyl Chubb MA" <aboutyou@t...> wrote: > Dear Tenzin, > > Would you please give your full birth data so a chart can be made. Finding out which of the two rulers of Aquarius or Scorpio involves more than just the placements of the two rulers, aspects to each of the planets is also important. > > Take care..........Phyllis > - > Tenzin Konchog > vedic astrology > Monday, November 04, 2002 7:22 PM > [vedic astrology] Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? > > > > Hello all. Aquarius is ruled by two planets namely Saturn and Rahu. > How do we decide which is the Asc's significator planet? E.g in my > Case Asc Aq (21:45) with Rahu is in Hse 12 ( 13:07 ) whereas Sa is in > Hse 4 (8:25)but Retrograde. > Thank you in advanced. > > Tenzin > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2002 Report Share Posted November 5, 2002 Tenzin, I am a learner in astrology and am taking the liberty of giving my interpretation to this question. Attaching your charts as I calculated using JHL. My take on Rahu or Saturn. Step 1: Neither Rahu or Saturn in Aquarius - Basic Rule does not apply Step 2: Rahu joined by 0 planets; Saturn by 0 planets - No break in tie. Step 3: Rahu aspected by Saturn (its dispositor ie ruler of its house) (Sthira Rasi -> Chara Rasi); Rahu aspected by Jupiter (Sthira Rasi -> Chara Rasi); Rahu not aspected by Mercury Saturn does not have a Rasi aspect from either of Venus (its dispositor), Jupiter or Mercury Hence Rahu is the stronger planet and hence Lord of your Ascendant. Phyllis, Would love to hear corrections and your kind thoughts on this. Your shishya ss Natal Chart December 10, 1971Time: 13:07:00Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT)Longitude: 101 E 42' 00"Latitude: 3 N 10' 00"Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Year: Virodha-kritLunar Month: MargasiraTithi: Krishna Ashtami (0.27% left)Weekday: FridayNakshatra: U.Pha. (75.14% left)Yoga: PritiKarana: KaulavaHora Lord: Mars Sunrise: 7:07:16Sunset: 19:04:01Janma Ghatis: 14.9888 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa ChKarak Lagna 21 Aq 46' 04.04" Poo.Bhaa. 1 Aq Ar -Sun 24 Sc 00' 50.15" Jyeshtha 3 Sc Aq BKMoon 29 Le 58' 54.76" U.Pha. 1 Le Sg AKMars 26 Aq 04' 55.79" Poo.Bhaa. 2 Aq Ta AmKMercury ® 0 Sg 15' 16.13" Moola 1 Sg Ar DKJupiter 23 Sc 59' 06.58" Jyeshtha 3 Sc Aq MKVenus 20 Sg 20' 27.13" Poo.Shaa. 3 Sg Li PiKSaturn ® 8 Ta 24' 29.68" Krittika 4 Ta Pi GKRahu 14 Cp 19' 03.73" Sravanam 2 Cp Ta PKKetu 14 Cn 19' 03.73" Pushyami 4 Cn Sc - +--------------+| | |SatR HL | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Asc Mar | |Ket ||GL | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Rah | |Moo || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||MerR Ven |Sun Jup | | ||Mnd Glk | | | ||AL | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ +--------------+|SatR |Asc MerR |Mar Rah |AL || | |GL | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Sun Jup | | || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Navamsa |-----------|| | |HL Glk || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Moo |Ket Mnd |Ven | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Tenzin Konchog [tenzinkonchog ] 05 November 2002 10:44vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn?Dear PhyllisMy birth data is as follows: Dec 10th, 1971 at 13:07hrs in 101E42, 3N10 ( Kuala Lumpur ). With this Data using Junior Jyotish, I came up with Aq as ascendant.Thank youTenzinvedic astrology, "Phyl Chubb MA" <aboutyou@t...> wrote:> Dear Tenzin,> > Would you please give your full birth data so a chart can be made. Finding out which of the two rulers of Aquarius or Scorpio involves more than just the placements of the two rulers, aspects to each of the planets is also important.> > Take care..........Phyllis> - > Tenzin Konchog > vedic astrology > Monday, November 04, 2002 7:22 PM> [vedic astrology] Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn?> > > > Hello all. Aquarius is ruled by two planets namely Saturn and Rahu. > How do we decide which is the Asc's significator planet? E.g in my > Case Asc Aq (21:45) with Rahu is in Hse 12 ( 13:07 ) whereas Sa is in > Hse 4 (8:25)but Retrograde.> Thank you in advanced.> > Tenzin> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2002 Report Share Posted November 5, 2002 Dear Tenzin and SS To find the ruler of your Lagna we must find out which of the two co-lords are the strongest. Part of what SS has written is correct. Below I will give the steps to find the strongest lord and direct you to page 173 in Narasimha's book, Vedic Astrology An Integrated Approach. Tenzin, if you do not have this book yet it can be ordered from manoramaoccult (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Rules: 1. If one of the co-lords is in the rasi, take the other planet. 2. If one planet is joined by more planets than the other, it is stronger. 3. Which of the two planets receives the most aspects from Jupiter, Mercury and dispositor. The planet most aspected becomes the strongest. 4. Consider the natural strengths of the rasi holding the planet in question. Dual signs are the strongest followed by fixed sign and movable signs are the weakest. 5. If there is still a tie take the planet that is most advanced in its rasi. Remember to measure the advancement of Rahu and Ketu from the end of the sign. Following the rules above and looking at your chart we see that rules 1 & 2 do not apply so we move to rule #3. Saturn receives a graha aspect from Jupiter while Rahu receives no aspect from these planets. Therefore we can say that Saturn rules your Lagna. Do try to get the book I mentioned, it is worth its weight in gold. Phyllis - ss vedic astrology ; 'Phyl Chubb MA' Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:43 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Tenzin, I am a learner in astrology and am taking the liberty of giving my interpretation to this question. Attaching your charts as I calculated using JHL. My take on Rahu or Saturn. Step 1: Neither Rahu or Saturn in Aquarius - Basic Rule does not apply Step 2: Rahu joined by 0 planets; Saturn by 0 planets - No break in tie. Step 3: Rahu aspected by Saturn (its dispositor ie ruler of its house) (Sthira Rasi -> Chara Rasi); Rahu aspected by Jupiter (Sthira Rasi -> Chara Rasi); Rahu not aspected by Mercury Saturn does not have a Rasi aspect from either of Venus (its dispositor), Jupiter or Mercury Hence Rahu is the stronger planet and hence Lord of your Ascendant. Phyllis, Would love to hear corrections and your kind thoughts on this. Your shishya ss Natal Chart December 10, 1971Time: 13:07:00Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT)Longitude: 101 E 42' 00"Latitude: 3 N 10' 00"Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Year: Virodha-kritLunar Month: MargasiraTithi: Krishna Ashtami (0.27% left)Weekday: FridayNakshatra: U.Pha. (75.14% left)Yoga: PritiKarana: KaulavaHora Lord: Mars Sunrise: 7:07:16Sunset: 19:04:01Janma Ghatis: 14.9888 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa ChKarak Lagna 21 Aq 46' 04.04" Poo.Bhaa. 1 Aq Ar -Sun 24 Sc 00' 50.15" Jyeshtha 3 Sc Aq BKMoon 29 Le 58' 54.76" U.Pha. 1 Le Sg AKMars 26 Aq 04' 55.79" Poo.Bhaa. 2 Aq Ta AmKMercury ® 0 Sg 15' 16.13" Moola 1 Sg Ar DKJupiter 23 Sc 59' 06.58" Jyeshtha 3 Sc Aq MKVenus 20 Sg 20' 27.13" Poo.Shaa. 3 Sg Li PiKSaturn ® 8 Ta 24' 29.68" Krittika 4 Ta Pi GKRahu 14 Cp 19' 03.73" Sravanam 2 Cp Ta PKKetu 14 Cn 19' 03.73" Pushyami 4 Cn Sc - +--------------+| | |SatR HL | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Asc Mar | |Ket ||GL | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Rah | |Moo || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||MerR Ven |Sun Jup | | ||Mnd Glk | | | ||AL | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ +--------------+|SatR |Asc MerR |Mar Rah |AL || | |GL | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Sun Jup | | || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Navamsa |-----------|| | |HL Glk || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Moo |Ket Mnd |Ven | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Tenzin Konchog [tenzinkonchog ] 05 November 2002 10:44vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn?Dear PhyllisMy birth data is as follows: Dec 10th, 1971 at 13:07hrs in 101E42, 3N10 ( Kuala Lumpur ). With this Data using Junior Jyotish, I came up with Aq as ascendant.Thank youTenzinvedic astrology, "Phyl Chubb MA" <aboutyou@t...> wrote:> Dear Tenzin,> > Would you please give your full birth data so a chart can be made. Finding out which of the two rulers of Aquarius or Scorpio involves more than just the placements of the two rulers, aspects to each of the planets is also important.> > Take care..........Phyllis> - > Tenzin Konchog > vedic astrology > Monday, November 04, 2002 7:22 PM> [vedic astrology] Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn?> > > > Hello all. Aquarius is ruled by two planets namely Saturn and Rahu. > How do we decide which is the Asc's significator planet? E.g in my > Case Asc Aq (21:45) with Rahu is in Hse 12 ( 13:07 ) whereas Sa is in > Hse 4 (8:25)but Retrograde.> Thank you in advanced.> > Tenzin> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2002 Report Share Posted November 5, 2002 Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Phyllis, I must add that there is one more factor involved in the judging of strengths, namely the time factor. During the Maha Dasa of either of the two lords, the lord will act as stronger, as the Soul takes on the disposition of the same. This isn't only applicable to Nakshetra Dasa's, but also Rasi-Dasa's. Otherwise, when neither of their dasa's are running, the stronger from the given rules will dominate. This goes to show that Aqua and Scorpio do infact have a twin-like nature, but not a dual nature.. They can handle abit more, or take on abit too many factors. This should be applied to other houses/placements in the horoscope as well, and not just lagna. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Phyl Chubb MA vedic astrology Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Dear Tenzin and SS To find the ruler of your Lagna we must find out which of the two co-lords are the strongest. Part of what SS has written is correct. Below I will give the steps to find the strongest lord and direct you to page 173 in Narasimha's book, Vedic Astrology An Integrated Approach. Tenzin, if you do not have this book yet it can be ordered from manoramaoccult (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Rules: 1. If one of the co-lords is in the rasi, take the other planet. 2. If one planet is joined by more planets than the other, it is stronger. 3. Which of the two planets receives the most aspects from Jupiter, Mercury and dispositor. The planet most aspected becomes the strongest. 4. Consider the natural strengths of the rasi holding the planet in question. Dual signs are the strongest followed by fixed sign and movable signs are the weakest. 5. If there is still a tie take the planet that is most advanced in its rasi. Remember to measure the advancement of Rahu and Ketu from the end of the sign. Following the rules above and looking at your chart we see that rules 1 & 2 do not apply so we move to rule #3. Saturn receives a graha aspect from Jupiter while Rahu receives no aspect from these planets. Therefore we can say that Saturn rules your Lagna. Do try to get the book I mentioned, it is worth its weight in gold. Phyllis - ss vedic astrology ; 'Phyl Chubb MA' Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:43 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Tenzin, I am a learner in astrology and am taking the liberty of giving my interpretation to this question. Attaching your charts as I calculated using JHL. My take on Rahu or Saturn. Step 1: Neither Rahu or Saturn in Aquarius - Basic Rule does not apply Step 2: Rahu joined by 0 planets; Saturn by 0 planets - No break in tie. Step 3: Rahu aspected by Saturn (its dispositor ie ruler of its house) (Sthira Rasi -> Chara Rasi); Rahu aspected by Jupiter (Sthira Rasi -> Chara Rasi); Rahu not aspected by Mercury Saturn does not have a Rasi aspect from either of Venus (its dispositor), Jupiter or Mercury Hence Rahu is the stronger planet and hence Lord of your Ascendant. Phyllis, Would love to hear corrections and your kind thoughts on this. Your shishya ss Natal Chart December 10, 1971Time: 13:07:00Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT)Longitude: 101 E 42' 00"Latitude: 3 N 10' 00"Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Year: Virodha-kritLunar Month: MargasiraTithi: Krishna Ashtami (0.27% left)Weekday: FridayNakshatra: U.Pha. (75.14% left)Yoga: PritiKarana: KaulavaHora Lord: Mars Sunrise: 7:07:16Sunset: 19:04:01Janma Ghatis: 14.9888 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa ChKarak Lagna 21 Aq 46' 04.04" Poo.Bhaa. 1 Aq Ar -Sun 24 Sc 00' 50.15" Jyeshtha 3 Sc Aq BKMoon 29 Le 58' 54.76" U.Pha. 1 Le Sg AKMars 26 Aq 04' 55.79" Poo.Bhaa. 2 Aq Ta AmKMercury ® 0 Sg 15' 16.13" Moola 1 Sg Ar DKJupiter 23 Sc 59' 06.58" Jyeshtha 3 Sc Aq MKVenus 20 Sg 20' 27.13" Poo.Shaa. 3 Sg Li PiKSaturn ® 8 Ta 24' 29.68" Krittika 4 Ta Pi GKRahu 14 Cp 19' 03.73" Sravanam 2 Cp Ta PKKetu 14 Cn 19' 03.73" Pushyami 4 Cn Sc - +--------------+| | |SatR HL | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Asc Mar | |Ket ||GL | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Rah | |Moo || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||MerR Ven |Sun Jup | | ||Mnd Glk | | | ||AL | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ +--------------+|SatR |Asc MerR |Mar Rah |AL || | |GL | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Sun Jup | | || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Navamsa |-----------|| | |HL Glk || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Moo |Ket Mnd |Ven | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Tenzin Konchog [tenzinkonchog ] 05 November 2002 10:44vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn?Dear PhyllisMy birth data is as follows: Dec 10th, 1971 at 13:07hrs in 101E42, 3N10 ( Kuala Lumpur ). With this Data using Junior Jyotish, I came up with Aq as ascendant.Thank youTenzinvedic astrology, "Phyl Chubb MA" <aboutyou@t...> wrote:> Dear Tenzin,> > Would you please give your full birth data so a chart can be made. Finding out which of the two rulers of Aquarius or Scorpio involves more than just the placements of the two rulers, aspects to each of the planets is also important.> > Take care..........Phyllis> - > Tenzin Konchog > vedic astrology > Monday, November 04, 2002 7:22 PM> [vedic astrology] Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn?> > > > Hello all. Aquarius is ruled by two planets namely Saturn and Rahu. > How do we decide which is the Asc's significator planet? E.g in my > Case Asc Aq (21:45) with Rahu is in Hse 12 ( 13:07 ) whereas Sa is in > Hse 4 (8:25)but Retrograde.> Thank you in advanced.> > Tenzin> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2002 Report Share Posted November 5, 2002 om gurave namah What is the reasoning behind these "rules"? ajit vedic astrology, "Phyl Chubb MA" <aboutyou@t...> wrote: > MessageDear Tenzin and SS > > To find the ruler of your Lagna we must find out which of the two co-lords are the strongest. Part of what SS has written is correct. Below I will give the steps to find the strongest lord and direct you to page 173 in Narasimha's book, Vedic Astrology An Integrated Approach. Tenzin, if you do not have this book yet it can be ordered from manoramaoccult@h... > > Rules: > 1. If one of the co-lords is in the rasi, take the other planet. > 2. If one planet is joined by more planets than the other, it is stronger. > 3. Which of the two planets receives the most aspects from Jupiter, Mercury and dispositor. The planet most > aspected becomes the strongest. > 4. Consider the natural strengths of the rasi holding the planet in question. Dual signs are the strongest followed > by fixed sign and movable signs are the weakest. > 5. If there is still a tie take the planet that is most advanced in its rasi. Remember to measure the > advancement of Rahu and Ketu from the end of the sign. > > Following the rules above and looking at your chart we see that rules 1 & 2 do not apply so we move to rule #3. > Saturn receives a graha aspect from Jupiter while Rahu receives no aspect from these planets. Therefore we can say that Saturn rules your Lagna. > > Do try to get the book I mentioned, it is worth its weight in gold. > > Phyllis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2002 Report Share Posted November 5, 2002 OM GURAVE NAMAH Dear Phyllis That was a good exercise.But that chart of Tenzin Konchog is wrong.Please use the TZ of -7.30 hrs.The Lagna is 0PI06(Pices) and not Aquarius.God Bless. Love and Regards S Purushothaman - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Wednesday, November 06, 2002 2:52 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Phyllis, I must add that there is one more factor involved in the judging of strengths, namely the time factor. During the Maha Dasa of either of the two lords, the lord will act as stronger, as the Soul takes on the disposition of the same. This isn't only applicable to Nakshetra Dasa's, but also Rasi-Dasa's. Otherwise, when neither of their dasa's are running, the stronger from the given rules will dominate. This goes to show that Aqua and Scorpio do infact have a twin-like nature, but not a dual nature.. They can handle abit more, or take on abit too many factors. This should be applied to other houses/placements in the horoscope as well, and not just lagna. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Phyl Chubb MA vedic astrology Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Dear Tenzin and SS To find the ruler of your Lagna we must find out which of the two co-lords are the strongest. Part of what SS has written is correct. Below I will give the steps to find the strongest lord and direct you to page 173 in Narasimha's book, Vedic Astrology An Integrated Approach. Tenzin, if you do not have this book yet it can be ordered from manoramaoccult (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Rules: 1. If one of the co-lords is in the rasi, take the other planet. 2. If one planet is joined by more planets than the other, it is stronger. 3. Which of the two planets receives the most aspects from Jupiter, Mercury and dispositor. The planet most aspected becomes the strongest. 4. Consider the natural strengths of the rasi holding the planet in question. Dual signs are the strongest followed by fixed sign and movable signs are the weakest. 5. If there is still a tie take the planet that is most advanced in its rasi. Remember to measure the advancement of Rahu and Ketu from the end of the sign. Following the rules above and looking at your chart we see that rules 1 & 2 do not apply so we move to rule #3. Saturn receives a graha aspect from Jupiter while Rahu receives no aspect from these planets. Therefore we can say that Saturn rules your Lagna. Do try to get the book I mentioned, it is worth its weight in gold. Phyllis - ss vedic astrology ; 'Phyl Chubb MA' Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:43 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Tenzin, I am a learner in astrology and am taking the liberty of giving my interpretation to this question. Attaching your charts as I calculated using JHL. My take on Rahu or Saturn. Step 1: Neither Rahu or Saturn in Aquarius - Basic Rule does not apply Step 2: Rahu joined by 0 planets; Saturn by 0 planets - No break in tie. Step 3: Rahu aspected by Saturn (its dispositor ie ruler of its house) (Sthira Rasi -> Chara Rasi); Rahu aspected by Jupiter (Sthira Rasi -> Chara Rasi); Rahu not aspected by Mercury Saturn does not have a Rasi aspect from either of Venus (its dispositor), Jupiter or Mercury Hence Rahu is the stronger planet and hence Lord of your Ascendant. Phyllis, Would love to hear corrections and your kind thoughts on this. Your shishya ss Natal Chart December 10, 1971Time: 13:07:00Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT)Longitude: 101 E 42' 00"Latitude: 3 N 10' 00"Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Year: Virodha-kritLunar Month: MargasiraTithi: Krishna Ashtami (0.27% left)Weekday: FridayNakshatra: U.Pha. (75.14% left)Yoga: PritiKarana: KaulavaHora Lord: Mars Sunrise: 7:07:16Sunset: 19:04:01Janma Ghatis: 14.9888 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa ChKarak Lagna 21 Aq 46' 04.04" Poo.Bhaa. 1 Aq Ar -Sun 24 Sc 00' 50.15" Jyeshtha 3 Sc Aq BKMoon 29 Le 58' 54.76" U.Pha. 1 Le Sg AKMars 26 Aq 04' 55.79" Poo.Bhaa. 2 Aq Ta AmKMercury ® 0 Sg 15' 16.13" Moola 1 Sg Ar DKJupiter 23 Sc 59' 06.58" Jyeshtha 3 Sc Aq MKVenus 20 Sg 20' 27.13" Poo.Shaa. 3 Sg Li PiKSaturn ® 8 Ta 24' 29.68" Krittika 4 Ta Pi GKRahu 14 Cp 19' 03.73" Sravanam 2 Cp Ta PKKetu 14 Cn 19' 03.73" Pushyami 4 Cn Sc - +--------------+| | |SatR HL | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Asc Mar | |Ket ||GL | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Rah | |Moo || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||MerR Ven |Sun Jup | | ||Mnd Glk | | | ||AL | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ +--------------+|SatR |Asc MerR |Mar Rah |AL || | |GL | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Sun Jup | | || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Navamsa |-----------|| | |HL Glk || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Moo |Ket Mnd |Ven | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Tenzin Konchog [tenzinkonchog ] 05 November 2002 10:44vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn?Dear PhyllisMy birth data is as follows: Dec 10th, 1971 at 13:07hrs in 101E42, 3N10 ( Kuala Lumpur ). With this Data using Junior Jyotish, I came up with Aq as ascendant.Thank youTenzinvedic astrology, "Phyl Chubb MA" <aboutyou@t...> wrote:> Dear Tenzin,> > Would you please give your full birth data so a chart can be made. Finding out which of the two rulers of Aquarius or Scorpio involves more than just the placements of the two rulers, aspects to each of the planets is also important.> > Take care..........Phyllis> - > Tenzin Konchog > vedic astrology > Monday, November 04, 2002 7:22 PM> [vedic astrology] Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn?> > > > Hello all. Aquarius is ruled by two planets namely Saturn and Rahu. > How do we decide which is the Asc's significator planet? E.g in my > Case Asc Aq (21:45) with Rahu is in Hse 12 ( 13:07 ) whereas Sa is in > Hse 4 (8:25)but Retrograde.> Thank you in advanced.> > Tenzin> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 5, 2002 Report Share Posted November 5, 2002 Dear Purushothaman, Thanks, I simply took the chart that was attached. Do I have to go hide my head? With any sort of luck the person learned something and so have I.......not to take things at face value. Phyllis - S Purushothaman vedic astrology Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:26 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? OM GURAVE NAMAH Dear Phyllis That was a good exercise.But that chart of Tenzin Konchog is wrong.Please use the TZ of -7.30 hrs.The Lagna is 0PI06(Pices) and not Aquarius.God Bless. Love and Regards S Purushothaman - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Wednesday, November 06, 2002 2:52 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Phyllis, I must add that there is one more factor involved in the judging of strengths, namely the time factor. During the Maha Dasa of either of the two lords, the lord will act as stronger, as the Soul takes on the disposition of the same. This isn't only applicable to Nakshetra Dasa's, but also Rasi-Dasa's. Otherwise, when neither of their dasa's are running, the stronger from the given rules will dominate. This goes to show that Aqua and Scorpio do infact have a twin-like nature, but not a dual nature.. They can handle abit more, or take on abit too many factors. This should be applied to other houses/placements in the horoscope as well, and not just lagna. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Phyl Chubb MA vedic astrology Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Dear Tenzin and SS To find the ruler of your Lagna we must find out which of the two co-lords are the strongest. Part of what SS has written is correct. Below I will give the steps to find the strongest lord and direct you to page 173 in Narasimha's book, Vedic Astrology An Integrated Approach. Tenzin, if you do not have this book yet it can be ordered from manoramaoccult (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Rules: 1. If one of the co-lords is in the rasi, take the other planet. 2. If one planet is joined by more planets than the other, it is stronger. 3. Which of the two planets receives the most aspects from Jupiter, Mercury and dispositor. The planet most aspected becomes the strongest. 4. Consider the natural strengths of the rasi holding the planet in question. Dual signs are the strongest followed by fixed sign and movable signs are the weakest. 5. If there is still a tie take the planet that is most advanced in its rasi. Remember to measure the advancement of Rahu and Ketu from the end of the sign. Following the rules above and looking at your chart we see that rules 1 & 2 do not apply so we move to rule #3. Saturn receives a graha aspect from Jupiter while Rahu receives no aspect from these planets. Therefore we can say that Saturn rules your Lagna. Do try to get the book I mentioned, it is worth its weight in gold. Phyllis - ss vedic astrology ; 'Phyl Chubb MA' Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:43 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Tenzin, I am a learner in astrology and am taking the liberty of giving my interpretation to this question. Attaching your charts as I calculated using JHL. My take on Rahu or Saturn. Step 1: Neither Rahu or Saturn in Aquarius - Basic Rule does not apply Step 2: Rahu joined by 0 planets; Saturn by 0 planets - No break in tie. Step 3: Rahu aspected by Saturn (its dispositor ie ruler of its house) (Sthira Rasi -> Chara Rasi); Rahu aspected by Jupiter (Sthira Rasi -> Chara Rasi); Rahu not aspected by Mercury Saturn does not have a Rasi aspect from either of Venus (its dispositor), Jupiter or Mercury Hence Rahu is the stronger planet and hence Lord of your Ascendant. Phyllis, Would love to hear corrections and your kind thoughts on this. Your shishya ss Natal Chart December 10, 1971Time: 13:07:00Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT)Longitude: 101 E 42' 00"Latitude: 3 N 10' 00"Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Year: Virodha-kritLunar Month: MargasiraTithi: Krishna Ashtami (0.27% left)Weekday: FridayNakshatra: U.Pha. (75.14% left)Yoga: PritiKarana: KaulavaHora Lord: Mars Sunrise: 7:07:16Sunset: 19:04:01Janma Ghatis: 14.9888 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa ChKarak Lagna 21 Aq 46' 04.04" Poo.Bhaa. 1 Aq Ar -Sun 24 Sc 00' 50.15" Jyeshtha 3 Sc Aq BKMoon 29 Le 58' 54.76" U.Pha. 1 Le Sg AKMars 26 Aq 04' 55.79" Poo.Bhaa. 2 Aq Ta AmKMercury ® 0 Sg 15' 16.13" Moola 1 Sg Ar DKJupiter 23 Sc 59' 06.58" Jyeshtha 3 Sc Aq MKVenus 20 Sg 20' 27.13" Poo.Shaa. 3 Sg Li PiKSaturn ® 8 Ta 24' 29.68" Krittika 4 Ta Pi GKRahu 14 Cp 19' 03.73" Sravanam 2 Cp Ta PKKetu 14 Cn 19' 03.73" Pushyami 4 Cn Sc - +--------------+| | |SatR HL | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Asc Mar | |Ket ||GL | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Rah | |Moo || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||MerR Ven |Sun Jup | | ||Mnd Glk | | | ||AL | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ +--------------+|SatR |Asc MerR |Mar Rah |AL || | |GL | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Sun Jup | | || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Navamsa |-----------|| | |HL Glk || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Moo |Ket Mnd |Ven | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Tenzin Konchog [tenzinkonchog ] 05 November 2002 10:44vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn?Dear PhyllisMy birth data is as follows: Dec 10th, 1971 at 13:07hrs in 101E42, 3N10 ( Kuala Lumpur ). With this Data using Junior Jyotish, I came up with Aq as ascendant.Thank youTenzinvedic astrology, "Phyl Chubb MA" <aboutyou@t...> wrote:> Dear Tenzin,> > Would you please give your full birth data so a chart can be made. Finding out which of the two rulers of Aquarius or Scorpio involves more than just the placements of the two rulers, aspects to each of the planets is also important.> > Take care..........Phyllis> - > Tenzin Konchog > vedic astrology > Monday, November 04, 2002 7:22 PM> [vedic astrology] Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn?> > > > Hello all. Aquarius is ruled by two planets namely Saturn and Rahu. > How do we decide which is the Asc's significator planet? E.g in my > Case Asc Aq (21:45) with Rahu is in Hse 12 ( 13:07 ) whereas Sa is in > Hse 4 (8:25)but Retrograde.> Thank you in advanced.> > Tenzin> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 5, 2002 Report Share Posted November 5, 2002 Dear Purushothaman, Just wanted to follow through on the 7:30 time difference suggested. Was KL on a different time zone in 1971? I believe the current time difference (I normally go by www.timeanddate.com who are normally correct for most places) is 8 hours? Please advise so that I can update my knowledge. Kind regards ss S Purushothaman [purush (AT) singnet (DOT) com.sg] 05 November 2002 23:27vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? OM GURAVE NAMAH Dear Phyllis That was a good exercise.But that chart of Tenzin Konchog is wrong.Please use the TZ of -7.30 hrs.The Lagna is 0PI06(Pices) and not Aquarius.God Bless. Love and Regards S Purushothaman - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Wednesday, November 06, 2002 2:52 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Phyllis, I must add that there is one more factor involved in the judging of strengths, namely the time factor. During the Maha Dasa of either of the two lords, the lord will act as stronger, as the Soul takes on the disposition of the same. This isn't only applicable to Nakshetra Dasa's, but also Rasi-Dasa's. Otherwise, when neither of their dasa's are running, the stronger from the given rules will dominate. This goes to show that Aqua and Scorpio do infact have a twin-like nature, but not a dual nature.. They can handle abit more, or take on abit too many factors. This should be applied to other houses/placements in the horoscope as well, and not just lagna. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Phyl Chubb MA vedic astrology Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Dear Tenzin and SS To find the ruler of your Lagna we must find out which of the two co-lords are the strongest. Part of what SS has written is correct. Below I will give the steps to find the strongest lord and direct you to page 173 in Narasimha's book, Vedic Astrology An Integrated Approach. Tenzin, if you do not have this book yet it can be ordered from manoramaoccult (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Rules: 1. If one of the co-lords is in the rasi, take the other planet. 2. If one planet is joined by more planets than the other, it is stronger. 3. Which of the two planets receives the most aspects from Jupiter, Mercury and dispositor. The planet most aspected becomes the strongest. 4. Consider the natural strengths of the rasi holding the planet in question. Dual signs are the strongest followed by fixed sign and movable signs are the weakest. 5. If there is still a tie take the planet that is most advanced in its rasi. Remember to measure the advancement of Rahu and Ketu from the end of the sign. Following the rules above and looking at your chart we see that rules 1 & 2 do not apply so we move to rule #3. Saturn receives a graha aspect from Jupiter while Rahu receives no aspect from these planets. Therefore we can say that Saturn rules your Lagna. Do try to get the book I mentioned, it is worth its weight in gold. Phyllis - ss vedic astrology ; 'Phyl Chubb MA' Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:43 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Tenzin, I am a learner in astrology and am taking the liberty of giving my interpretation to this question. Attaching your charts as I calculated using JHL. My take on Rahu or Saturn. Step 1: Neither Rahu or Saturn in Aquarius - Basic Rule does not apply Step 2: Rahu joined by 0 planets; Saturn by 0 planets - No break in tie. Step 3: Rahu aspected by Saturn (its dispositor ie ruler of its house) (Sthira Rasi -> Chara Rasi); Rahu aspected by Jupiter (Sthira Rasi -> Chara Rasi); Rahu not aspected by Mercury Saturn does not have a Rasi aspect from either of Venus (its dispositor), Jupiter or Mercury Hence Rahu is the stronger planet and hence Lord of your Ascendant. Phyllis, Would love to hear corrections and your kind thoughts on this. Your shishya ss Natal Chart December 10, 1971Time: 13:07:00Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT)Longitude: 101 E 42' 00"Latitude: 3 N 10' 00"Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Year: Virodha-kritLunar Month: MargasiraTithi: Krishna Ashtami (0.27% left)Weekday: FridayNakshatra: U.Pha. (75.14% left)Yoga: PritiKarana: KaulavaHora Lord: Mars Sunrise: 7:07:16Sunset: 19:04:01Janma Ghatis: 14.9888 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa ChKarak Lagna 21 Aq 46' 04.04" Poo.Bhaa. 1 Aq Ar -Sun 24 Sc 00' 50.15" Jyeshtha 3 Sc Aq BKMoon 29 Le 58' 54.76" U.Pha. 1 Le Sg AKMars 26 Aq 04' 55.79" Poo.Bhaa. 2 Aq Ta AmKMercury ® 0 Sg 15' 16.13" Moola 1 Sg Ar DKJupiter 23 Sc 59' 06.58" Jyeshtha 3 Sc Aq MKVenus 20 Sg 20' 27.13" Poo.Shaa. 3 Sg Li PiKSaturn ® 8 Ta 24' 29.68" Krittika 4 Ta Pi GKRahu 14 Cp 19' 03.73" Sravanam 2 Cp Ta PKKetu 14 Cn 19' 03.73" Pushyami 4 Cn Sc - +--------------+| | |SatR HL | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Asc Mar | |Ket ||GL | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Rah | |Moo || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||MerR Ven |Sun Jup | | ||Mnd Glk | | | ||AL | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ +--------------+|SatR |Asc MerR |Mar Rah |AL || | |GL | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Sun Jup | | || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Navamsa |-----------|| | |HL Glk || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Moo |Ket Mnd |Ven | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Tenzin Konchog [tenzinkonchog ] 05 November 2002 10:44vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn?Dear PhyllisMy birth data is as follows: Dec 10th, 1971 at 13:07hrs in 101E42, 3N10 ( Kuala Lumpur ). With this Data using Junior Jyotish, I came up with Aq as ascendant.Thank youTenzinvedic astrology, "Phyl Chubb MA" <aboutyou@t...> wrote:> Dear Tenzin,> > Would you please give your full birth data so a chart can be made. Finding out which of the two rulers of Aquarius or Scorpio involves more than just the placements of the two rulers, aspects to each of the planets is also important.> > Take care..........Phyllis> - > Tenzin Konchog > vedic astrology > Monday, November 04, 2002 7:22 PM> [vedic astrology] Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn?> > > > Hello all. Aquarius is ruled by two planets namely Saturn and Rahu. > How do we decide which is the Asc's significator planet? E.g in my > Case Asc Aq (21:45) with Rahu is in Hse 12 ( 13:07 ) whereas Sa is in > Hse 4 (8:25)but Retrograde.> Thank you in advanced.> > Tenzin> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 OM GURAVE NAMAH Dear SS Could you please tell me your good name before I answer your question.God Bless. Love and Regards S Purushothaman - ss vedic astrology Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:50 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Dear Purushothaman, Just wanted to follow through on the 7:30 time difference suggested. Was KL on a different time zone in 1971? I believe the current time difference (I normally go by www.timeanddate.com who are normally correct for most places) is 8 hours? Please advise so that I can update my knowledge. Kind regards ss S Purushothaman [purush (AT) singnet (DOT) com.sg] 05 November 2002 23:27vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? OM GURAVE NAMAH Dear Phyllis That was a good exercise.But that chart of Tenzin Konchog is wrong.Please use the TZ of -7.30 hrs.The Lagna is 0PI06(Pices) and not Aquarius.God Bless. Love and Regards S Purushothaman - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Wednesday, November 06, 2002 2:52 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Phyllis, I must add that there is one more factor involved in the judging of strengths, namely the time factor. During the Maha Dasa of either of the two lords, the lord will act as stronger, as the Soul takes on the disposition of the same. This isn't only applicable to Nakshetra Dasa's, but also Rasi-Dasa's. Otherwise, when neither of their dasa's are running, the stronger from the given rules will dominate. This goes to show that Aqua and Scorpio do infact have a twin-like nature, but not a dual nature.. They can handle abit more, or take on abit too many factors. This should be applied to other houses/placements in the horoscope as well, and not just lagna. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - Phyl Chubb MA vedic astrology Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:31 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Dear Tenzin and SS To find the ruler of your Lagna we must find out which of the two co-lords are the strongest. Part of what SS has written is correct. Below I will give the steps to find the strongest lord and direct you to page 173 in Narasimha's book, Vedic Astrology An Integrated Approach. Tenzin, if you do not have this book yet it can be ordered from manoramaoccult (AT) hotmail (DOT) com Rules: 1. If one of the co-lords is in the rasi, take the other planet. 2. If one planet is joined by more planets than the other, it is stronger. 3. Which of the two planets receives the most aspects from Jupiter, Mercury and dispositor. The planet most aspected becomes the strongest. 4. Consider the natural strengths of the rasi holding the planet in question. Dual signs are the strongest followed by fixed sign and movable signs are the weakest. 5. If there is still a tie take the planet that is most advanced in its rasi. Remember to measure the advancement of Rahu and Ketu from the end of the sign. Following the rules above and looking at your chart we see that rules 1 & 2 do not apply so we move to rule #3. Saturn receives a graha aspect from Jupiter while Rahu receives no aspect from these planets. Therefore we can say that Saturn rules your Lagna. Do try to get the book I mentioned, it is worth its weight in gold. Phyllis - ss vedic astrology ; 'Phyl Chubb MA' Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:43 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn? Tenzin, I am a learner in astrology and am taking the liberty of giving my interpretation to this question. Attaching your charts as I calculated using JHL. My take on Rahu or Saturn. Step 1: Neither Rahu or Saturn in Aquarius - Basic Rule does not apply Step 2: Rahu joined by 0 planets; Saturn by 0 planets - No break in tie. Step 3: Rahu aspected by Saturn (its dispositor ie ruler of its house) (Sthira Rasi -> Chara Rasi); Rahu aspected by Jupiter (Sthira Rasi -> Chara Rasi); Rahu not aspected by Mercury Saturn does not have a Rasi aspect from either of Venus (its dispositor), Jupiter or Mercury Hence Rahu is the stronger planet and hence Lord of your Ascendant. Phyllis, Would love to hear corrections and your kind thoughts on this. Your shishya ss Natal Chart December 10, 1971Time: 13:07:00Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT)Longitude: 101 E 42' 00"Latitude: 3 N 10' 00"Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Year: Virodha-kritLunar Month: MargasiraTithi: Krishna Ashtami (0.27% left)Weekday: FridayNakshatra: U.Pha. (75.14% left)Yoga: PritiKarana: KaulavaHora Lord: Mars Sunrise: 7:07:16Sunset: 19:04:01Janma Ghatis: 14.9888 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa ChKarak Lagna 21 Aq 46' 04.04" Poo.Bhaa. 1 Aq Ar -Sun 24 Sc 00' 50.15" Jyeshtha 3 Sc Aq BKMoon 29 Le 58' 54.76" U.Pha. 1 Le Sg AKMars 26 Aq 04' 55.79" Poo.Bhaa. 2 Aq Ta AmKMercury ® 0 Sg 15' 16.13" Moola 1 Sg Ar DKJupiter 23 Sc 59' 06.58" Jyeshtha 3 Sc Aq MKVenus 20 Sg 20' 27.13" Poo.Shaa. 3 Sg Li PiKSaturn ® 8 Ta 24' 29.68" Krittika 4 Ta Pi GKRahu 14 Cp 19' 03.73" Sravanam 2 Cp Ta PKKetu 14 Cn 19' 03.73" Pushyami 4 Cn Sc - +--------------+| | |SatR HL | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Asc Mar | |Ket ||GL | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Rah | |Moo || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||MerR Ven |Sun Jup | | ||Mnd Glk | | | ||AL | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ +--------------+|SatR |Asc MerR |Mar Rah |AL || | |GL | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Sun Jup | | || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Navamsa |-----------|| | |HL Glk || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Moo |Ket Mnd |Ven | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Tenzin Konchog [tenzinkonchog ] 05 November 2002 10:44vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn?Dear PhyllisMy birth data is as follows: Dec 10th, 1971 at 13:07hrs in 101E42, 3N10 ( Kuala Lumpur ). With this Data using Junior Jyotish, I came up with Aq as ascendant.Thank youTenzinvedic astrology, "Phyl Chubb MA" <aboutyou@t...> wrote:> Dear Tenzin,> > Would you please give your full birth data so a chart can be made. Finding out which of the two rulers of Aquarius or Scorpio involves more than just the placements of the two rulers, aspects to each of the planets is also important.> > Take care..........Phyllis> - > Tenzin Konchog > vedic astrology > Monday, November 04, 2002 7:22 PM> [vedic astrology] Aquarian Asc- Rahu or Saturn?> > > > Hello all. Aquarius is ruled by two planets namely Saturn and Rahu. > How do we decide which is the Asc's significator planet? E.g in my > Case Asc Aq (21:45) with Rahu is in Hse 12 ( 13:07 ) whereas Sa is in > Hse 4 (8:25)but Retrograde.> Thank you in advanced.> > Tenzin> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > ....... 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