Guest guest Posted November 3, 2002 Report Share Posted November 3, 2002 Dear Saraijit, I do not understand the reason for sarcasm in reply to a perfectly simple invitation to discusion on Nodes.I should not say this but if you want take the discussions to Agni,please see what Lord Krishna says about Yagna and aahutis.Also study different types of agnis mentioned in scriputres.This being an astrological list , I do not think it would be fair to other members that discusions veer around to Religion. Chandrashekhar - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Sunday, November 03, 2002 9:20 AM Re: [vedic astrology] On Ketu Aum Namah Sivaya Dear Chandrashekhar, Did you see very hot flames, they can clean all the sins........ like the pavitra agni which is lit during the Yagna or marriage. When you put your hands in it, it can burn also.., and badly too. Rgds Sarajit - Chandrashekhar Sunday, November 03, 2002 3:39 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] On Kethu Dear List Members, Gurujans, There appears to be a race to prove the Nodes both rahu and ketu as evil or planets of whom one should be scared.I think only Sanjay Rath Guru has been giving balanced view on these.It is really necessary to start a meaningful debate on these nodes. My posers , which could serve as starting point for the debate are: 1. How could any planet be only Malefic or Benefic; if they can be what does it mean by functional Benefic? 2. Why conduct worship of Navagrahas if some of them are malefic? 3. When Rahu and Ketu alone in Kendra are capable of conferring Rajayoga , how can they be evil always? 4. If Ketu is so malefic, how come he is related to Moksha? A corrolory is if Rahu can aspect then why does he not take awy this ability of Ketu? 5. It is said, Rahu in Kendra with Lord of the Konas causes a person to be wealthy,how come when Rahu is to be viewed as evil ? 6. Why persist in alloting "Sting" to Ketu as I se in most of the mails? As far as I know he is known as "Sutra kartaa" meaning either maker of thread(Which I think could be wrong) or one who likes to keep his fingers on what ever happens in his sphere of influence and to manipulate the events for betterment of his associates. 7.Is it necessary that all the atributes of various Characters of the scriptures must fit Planets with similar names? Are they really representing these scriptural characters? There are many Vyasas Manu and Shakakartas in Hindu scriptures. 8.Ketu makes one skillful in time indicating machines when he joins 4th from karakamsha and well versed in "Ganita" when in 1st /5th from Karakamsha.Now Ganita is part of Jyotish which is itself Vedanga How could an evil planet be associated with Vedanga? Learned readers can add to my posers so that the debate can turnout to be meaningful. I call upon all learned Gurus and Sadhakas to comment. Regards, Chandrashekhar - sarasalai_siva vedic astrology Saturday, November 02, 2002 8:36 AM [vedic astrology] On Kethu Jaya Jagannatha !Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Virgo, Sagitarus, and Pisces are the houses where Kethu gives less harmful results.So says an Achariyar who has 53 years experience in vedic astrology.sarasalai_siva.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 Dear Sarajit, It appears I misunderstod you. The reason is that instead of addressing my posers you made an observation which , to me appeared frivolous. I would like your comments on my posers point by point. If you read my posers carefully you will find that I am not much for giving literal meaning to the Planets names vis-a-vis scriputres. If you read "Kathopnishad", and I recommend others who are trying to corelate the two to this Upanishad; yo will find Yama telling Nachiketa that Vamana Avatar is an allegory where Vamana represents Soul and senses of Organs is the Bali.This should make it abundantaly clear that name of various dieties are not to be taken literally.This is to be taken more seriously in case of Jyotish as Jyotish is also a Vedanga as are the Upnishadas. Regards, Chandrashekhar - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, November 04, 2002 7:11 AM Re: [vedic astrology] On Ketu Aum Namah Sivaya Dear Chandrashekhar, That was not a sarcastic reply. What I meant was that Ketu is very hot as this is higher harmonic of Mars.. We say kujavat ketu. The colour governed by Ketu is Infra-red.. This is the ray of light which heats up everything. This is why Ketu is also called the Rudra, the personification of anger. Now with all this, we may think that Ketu is bad. However, is that really correct to think. Spiritualism is not that easy, one has to pass through difficult test to succeed in that. Thats the whole story of experiences in life. Please don't take me wrong. I hope you ponder on this and write back your thoughts. Rgds Sarajit - Chandrashekhar Monday, November 04, 2002 2:40 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] On Ketu Dear Saraijit, I do not understand the reason for sarcasm in reply to a perfectly simple invitation to discusion on Nodes.I should not say this but if you want take the discussions to Agni,please see what Lord Krishna says about Yagna and aahutis.Also study different types of agnis mentioned in scriputres.This being an astrological list , I do not think it would be fair to other members that discusions veer around to Religion. Chandrashekhar - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Sunday, November 03, 2002 9:20 AM Re: [vedic astrology] On Ketu Aum Namah Sivaya Dear Chandrashekhar, Did you see very hot flames, they can clean all the sins........ like the pavitra agni which is lit during the Yagna or marriage. When you put your hands in it, it can burn also.., and badly too. Rgds Sarajit - Chandrashekhar Sunday, November 03, 2002 3:39 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] On Kethu Dear List Members, Gurujans, There appears to be a race to prove the Nodes both rahu and ketu as evil or planets of whom one should be scared.I think only Sanjay Rath Guru has been giving balanced view on these.It is really necessary to start a meaningful debate on these nodes. My posers , which could serve as starting point for the debate are: 1. How could any planet be only Malefic or Benefic; if they can be what does it mean by functional Benefic? 2. Why conduct worship of Navagrahas if some of them are malefic? 3. When Rahu and Ketu alone in Kendra are capable of conferring Rajayoga , how can they be evil always? 4. If Ketu is so malefic, how come he is related to Moksha? A corrolory is if Rahu can aspect then why does he not take awy this ability of Ketu? 5. It is said, Rahu in Kendra with Lord of the Konas causes a person to be wealthy,how come when Rahu is to be viewed as evil ? 6. Why persist in alloting "Sting" to Ketu as I se in most of the mails? As far as I know he is known as "Sutra kartaa" meaning either maker of thread(Which I think could be wrong) or one who likes to keep his fingers on what ever happens in his sphere of influence and to manipulate the events for betterment of his associates. 7.Is it necessary that all the atributes of various Characters of the scriptures must fit Planets with similar names? Are they really representing these scriptural characters? There are many Vyasas Manu and Shakakartas in Hindu scriptures. 8.Ketu makes one skillful in time indicating machines when he joins 4th from karakamsha and well versed in "Ganita" when in 1st /5th from Karakamsha.Now Ganita is part of Jyotish which is itself Vedanga How could an evil planet be associated with Vedanga? Learned readers can add to my posers so that the debate can turnout to be meaningful. I call upon all learned Gurus and Sadhakas to comment. Regards, Chandrashekhar - sarasalai_siva vedic astrology Saturday, November 02, 2002 8:36 AM [vedic astrology] On Kethu Jaya Jagannatha !Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Virgo, Sagitarus, and Pisces are the houses where Kethu gives less harmful results.So says an Achariyar who has 53 years experience in vedic astrology.sarasalai_siva.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Get more from the Web. 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Guest guest Posted November 5, 2002 Report Share Posted November 5, 2002 Respected Sanjay Guru, I was answering Saraijits earlier message advising me to hold Ketu and experience the fire.I never meant that we should not believe in our scriptures and that they are imaginary. Far from it.I was trying to separate scriptures fron references to similarly named planets in Jyotish.You are aware that there were many Vyasas and many Manus.Nobody can take the liberty of linking any Vyas named sage to the Veda Vyasa. What I meant was that if we give literal meaning to everything that is written in the Shastras we can be misled.The shlokas are masterpieces of brevity and as you know there are many Tikas on one Grantha where different commentators have given different interpretations. Even in Bhagvadgita the Lord tells Arjuna that ignorants worship other Devatas and the truly learned worship Him.The lord even criticises Vedas. This does not mean the Lord intends to convey that they are false. The context of any scriptural text has to be understood to be able to understand the real meaning behind the statement.I have, myself read Bhagvadgita more than 500 times and every time I read each shloka, I understand a new meaning of the same.If we take Lord Krishna and Lord Vishnu to be diferent dieties then Bhagvadgita , literaly read, could be taken to mean that Lord Vishnu is a lesser God.This is the point I was trying to emphasise.Our religion has many different streams of thoughts(VAADAAS) and all are respected equally.Dwaitavaad, Adwaitvaad and even Charvakavad are given equal respect.This is the very reason that Hinduism could not be wiped off the face of India though we suffered maximum invasion in history of any nation.This openness to discussion of our religion is precisely why we are still the largest followers of a single religion in the world.If we try to understand the prayer at the begining of bothe Ishawsyopnishad and Bridaranyaopnishad-"Om Purnamadam Purnamidam Purnatpurnamudachyate. Purnat Purnamadaay Purnamewayshishyate" it becomes very easy to understand how Lord Rama could be both Outside and inside one's-self. I was further trying to say that one has to be more careful when taking literal meaning in case of Astrology.Otherwise we will have to start believing that there were 4 Lacs Granthas(Chaturlakshamitam Shastram) in Jyotish in existence at the time of Narayanabhatt and he really read all these and their essence is Chamatkar Chintamani . Similarly if we look at the description of Saturn and apply it literally then every person with Saturn's Aspect or presence would appear to be ugly with tendency towards gambling and lame with sunken eyes, whereas many a times you see jatakas with Libra Ascendant with Saturn posited in it very pleasing in appearance with great deal of intellect. As you are aware I am just a sadhaka in this sea of jyotish, if my reasoning is wrong kindly pardon me and guide me. With respects, Chandrashekhar - Sanjay Rath Varahamihira (AT) (DOT) ; vedic astrology Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:13 PM RE: [vedic astrology] On Ketu Om Gurave Namah Dear Chadrasekhar What Yama was teaching is that the soul is guided by Sri Vamana the Avatar. That is why the Ista devata is a Vishnu avatar as He alone can grant Moksha (param padam). The senses are like Raja Bali, strong and rulers of the individual who is dwelling in them. So why should the deities mentioned in the Upanishad and other by the Maharishi's not be taken literally? In this case the word 'like' indicates the symbolic closeness in nature as the soul is but a replica of the Param atma. There are many meanings behind every teaching and the episodes should be realised to be records rather than fables as many seem to mean. Krishna avatar existed and this is true..We need another Hanuman to tear His heart and show Rama out there, but that does not mean that Rama avatar never alighted on this planet. It is difficult to understand as to how Rama avatar is also there inside the body and outside at the same time, but then if He is not so then He is not Vishnu, sarva vyapakeswara..If He is Vishnu then why one heart, He sits in all hearts and is also outside them as well. Parasara has listed the ten avatar for this very purpose and their importance is stressed by the fact that this has been mentioned in the very first two chapters so that - so long as souls incarnate they will read his work and gt the names to call their Lord by. That would not mean that the avatars never appeared on this planet. Best Regards, Sanjay Rath 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Ph-1, New Delhi 110091, India Tel: +91-11-2713201 Web: http://srath.com http://.org Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:04 AMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] On Ketu Dear Sarajit, It appears I misunderstod you. The reason is that instead of addressing my posers you made an observation which , to me appeared frivolous. I would like your comments on my posers point by point. If you read my posers carefully you will find that I am not much for giving literal meaning to the Planets names vis-a-vis scriputres. If you read "Kathopnishad", and I recommend others who are trying to corelate the two to this Upanishad; yo will find Yama telling Nachiketa that Vamana Avatar is an allegory where Vamana represents Soul and senses of Organs is the Bali.This should make it abundantaly clear that name of various dieties are not to be taken literally.This is to be taken more seriously in case of Jyotish as Jyotish is also a Vedanga as are the Upnishadas. Regards, Chandrashekhar Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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