Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Hi, If the twelfth from karakamsha in a horoscope has a retro planet, does it mean that the ishta devata represented by it is actually running away from wanting to be the guiding spirit (towards moksha)? I'd be grateful if a guru clarifies. Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 retro planet has high chesta bala. So where is the question of running away.Regardspartha Ramapriya D <hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote: Hi, If the twelfth from karakamsha in a horoscope has a retro planet, does it mean that the ishta devata represented by it is actually running away from wanting to be the guiding spirit (towards moksha)? I'd be grateful if a guru clarifies. Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Do you ? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, &; more faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Dear Ramapriya, How can Ishta Devata run away? Ishta Devata always protects you. Indeed blessed are those who find their Ishtas; maybe you are running away from your Ishta? Best regards, Sarbani Ramapriya D [hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com]Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:44 PMVedic astro postSubject: [vedic astrology] An ishta devata doubt Hi, If the twelfth from karakamsha in a horoscope has a retro planet, does it mean that the ishta devata represented by it is actually running away from wanting to be the guiding spirit (towards moksha)? I'd be grateful if a guru clarifies. Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rama, Let me try attempting this. A retro planet indicates fruits denied and the only way to achieve this is by putting more efforts. Thus to realize the istha, this would mean that the person will have to make extra efforts. Also a retro planet always has the knack of reversing it;s indications... thus again indicating that delays, frustrations could manifest in the path towards realization of the ishta. Let;s wait for inputs from guru's regds Hari - Ramapriya D Vedic astro post Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:43 PM [vedic astrology] An ishta devata doubt Hi, If the twelfth from karakamsha in a horoscope has a retro planet, does it mean that the ishta devata represented by it is actually running away from wanting to be the guiding spirit (towards moksha)? I'd be grateful if a guru clarifies. Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Dear Hari, A planet is normally expected to proceed zodiacally, wanting to attain as high a longitude as possible within a rasi. When it does the anti-zodiacal, I see it as if it doesn't want to do that. When planets are said to be in bheeta avastha and all that, it appears that they're actually running away (in fear or cowardice or whatever) from what they're s'posed to be doing. My query germinated from such thoughts. Like you must've observed, my question wasn't on the AK itself but that planet which is to show who the ID is. By being retro, does it not want to show the ID at all, or what is it? That was, and continues to be, my doubt. Partha's comments (his first non-spiteful response to me, didja observe? ) on chestabala were correct, but not somehow relevant in the context of what I've asked, I felt. I could be wrong. Warm regards, Rama hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Katti Narahari vedic astrology Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:42 PM Re: [vedic astrology] An ishta devata doubt Om Gurave Namah Dear Rama, Let me try attempting this. A retro planet indicates fruits denied and the only way to achieve this is by putting more efforts. Thus to realize the istha, this would mean that the person will have to make extra efforts. Also a retro planet always has the knack of reversing it;s indications... thus again indicating that delays, frustrations could manifest in the path towards realization of the ishta. Let;s wait for inputs from guru's regds Hari - Ramapriya D Vedic astro post Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:43 PM [vedic astrology] An ishta devata doubt Hi, If the twelfth from karakamsha in a horoscope has a retro planet, does it mean that the ishta devata represented by it is actually running away from wanting to be the guiding spirit (towards moksha)? I'd be grateful if a guru clarifies. Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 The planet that is in bheeta avastha is because of fast motion. When a planet is in ati-chara motion it is alarmed and is running away. Whereas the planet that is retro is meditating. For the malefics it is scheming whereas for benefics it is thinking deeply about a particular issue. Mahatma gandhi had his AK as jupiter which is retrograde in aries in 7th house. Do u think he was running away or what. Jupiter shows satya marga, so when jupiter becomes AK , gandhi was actually exerting a lot of chesta or effort to attain his goal. His campaigns were called satyagraha. Similarly when the the planet that shows ishtadevatha is retrograde then the person would try to attain the goal shown by ishta and his placements. Retro planets are quite powerful, as they show links to past life also. There are many mails by Sanjayji on the issue of retrograde planets in archives, if you cant find them then do mail me, as i have saved all the info that sanjayji had quoted till now in our groups.regardspartha Ramapriya D <hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Hari, A planet is normally expected to proceed zodiacally, wanting to attain as high a longitude as possible within a rasi. When it does the anti-zodiacal, I see it as if it doesn't want to do that. When planets are said to be in bheeta avastha and all that, it appears that they're actually running away (in fear or cowardice or whatever) from what they're s'posed to be doing. My query germinated from such thoughts. Like you must've observed, my question wasn't on the AK itself but that planet which is to show who the ID is. By being retro, does it not want to show the ID at all, or what is it? That was, and continues to be, my doubt. Partha's comments (his first non-spiteful response to me, didja observe? ) on chestabala were correct, but not somehow relevant in the context of what I've asked, I felt. I could be wrong. Warm regards, Rama hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Katti Narahari vedic astrology Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:42 PM Re: [vedic astrology] An ishta devata doubt Om Gurave Namah Dear Rama, Let me try attempting this. A retro planet indicates fruits denied and the only way to achieve this is by putting more efforts. Thus to realize the istha, this would mean that the person will have to make extra efforts. Also a retro planet always has the knack of reversing it;s indications... thus again indicating that delays, frustrations could manifest in the path towards realization of the ishta. Let;s wait for inputs from guru's regds Hari - Ramapriya D Vedic astro post Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:43 PM [vedic astrology] An ishta devata doubt Hi, If the twelfth from karakamsha in a horoscope has a retro planet, does it mean that the ishta devata represented by it is actually running away from wanting to be the guiding spirit (towards moksha)? I'd be grateful if a guru clarifies. Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Do you ? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, &; more faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rama, Let;s start with bheeta avastha. Bheetha avastha comes only when the planet motion is very fast. but a planet which has just started retro isnt fast at all. This i remember Sanjay guru correcting me some time back. Thus this planet which has just started retro isnt close to being fast at all. The bheeta avastha has to do with speed and not with direct or retro motion. Your mail re. this topic made me recollect what my guru Visti taught me sometime back. Let me try to put it in prespective. Now to the effects of a retro planet in the 12th from karakamsa. The same logic of what Visti taught me regarding badhakesh being retro. Badhakesh is similar to lord ganesh. When badhakesh is retro lord ganesh isnt doing what he likes best... like eating ladoo's.... what happens? all vigna's land up at our door step!!!! what does one do? we pray more vrigorously so that he does accept our offerings and removes all these vigna's... my earlier mail kinda told the same thing... because of the fact that the planet is retro a couple of things happen. 1. There is a denial of fruits for which one needs to put in a lot of efforts. 2. There is a reversal of the indications of that particular planet and one finds many obstacles in the path. In this case the istha is difficult to please!.. Thus a retro planet does show the istha.. but the means of pleasing the ishta would be very tough since the sacrifice you are offering wont be accepted easily. Let me know what you think. Regds Hari - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Thursday, October 17, 2002 3:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] An ishta devata doubt Dear Hari, A planet is normally expected to proceed zodiacally, wanting to attain as high a longitude as possible within a rasi. When it does the anti-zodiacal, I see it as if it doesn't want to do that. When planets are said to be in bheeta avastha and all that, it appears that they're actually running away (in fear or cowardice or whatever) from what they're s'posed to be doing. My query germinated from such thoughts. Like you must've observed, my question wasn't on the AK itself but that planet which is to show who the ID is. By being retro, does it not want to show the ID at all, or what is it? That was, and continues to be, my doubt. Partha's comments (his first non-spiteful response to me, didja observe? ) on chestabala were correct, but not somehow relevant in the context of what I've asked, I felt. I could be wrong. Warm regards, Rama hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Katti Narahari vedic astrology Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:42 PM Re: [vedic astrology] An ishta devata doubt Om Gurave Namah Dear Rama, Let me try attempting this. A retro planet indicates fruits denied and the only way to achieve this is by putting more efforts. Thus to realize the istha, this would mean that the person will have to make extra efforts. Also a retro planet always has the knack of reversing it;s indications... thus again indicating that delays, frustrations could manifest in the path towards realization of the ishta. Let;s wait for inputs from guru's regds Hari - Ramapriya D Vedic astro post Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:43 PM [vedic astrology] An ishta devata doubt Hi, If the twelfth from karakamsha in a horoscope has a retro planet, does it mean that the ishta devata represented by it is actually running away from wanting to be the guiding spirit (towards moksha)? I'd be grateful if a guru clarifies. Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Dear Sanjayji and other gurus, I have a doubt regarding what you have explained. What happens when Saturn turns retrograde in an enimical sign? (this is for cases where Saturn is a malefic for the native). I see currently Sat turned retro a few days ago in Gemini which makes it retrograde in an enimical sign. So if its normal course is reversed, does that mean that this is now going to result in benefic results for the native? Similarly in Dec Guru will become retrograde in Cancer. Since current motion of Guru is in bheeta awastha, what will that make the results? Greatly appreciate your insights. Viraj vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@s...> wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > Dear Katti > This is a very brilliant answer and very logically thought out. The retrogression of any planet increases the chesta bala. This in simple language means more effort for whatever are its indications. This can touch the naisargika karakatwa as well. > Best Regards, > Sanjay Rath > -- --- > 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Ph-1, New Delhi 110091, India > Tel: +91-11-2713201 Web: http://srath.com http://.org > -- ---- > > Katti Narahari [katti_narahari@h...] > Thursday, October 17, 2002 4:56 PM > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] An ishta devata doubt > Importance: High > > > Om Gurave Namah > > -- ------------ > > Dear Rama, > > Let;s start with bheeta avastha. Bheetha avastha comes only when the planet motion is very fast. but a planet which has just started retro isnt fast at all. This i remember Sanjay guru correcting me some time back. Thus this planet which has just started retro isnt close to being fast at all. The bheeta avastha has to do with speed and not with direct or retro motion. > > Your mail re. this topic made me recollect what my guru Visti taught me sometime back. Let me try to put it in prespective. > > Now to the effects of a retro planet in the 12th from karakamsa. The same logic of what Visti taught me regarding badhakesh being retro. Badhakesh is similar to lord ganesh. When badhakesh is retro lord ganesh isnt doing what he likes best... like eating ladoo's.... what happens? all vigna's land up at our door step!!!! what does one do? we pray more vrigorously so that he does accept our offerings and removes all these vigna's... my earlier mail kinda told the same thing... because of the fact that the planet is retro a couple of things happen. > > 1. There is a denial of fruits for which one needs to put in a lot of efforts. > 2. There is a reversal of the indications of that particular planet and one finds many obstacles in the path. In this case the istha is difficult to please!.. > > Thus a retro planet does show the istha.. but the means of pleasing the ishta would be very tough since the sacrifice you are offering wont be accepted easily. > > Let me know what you think. > > Regds > > Hari > > - > Ramapriya D > vedic astrology > Thursday, October 17, 2002 3:19 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] An ishta devata doubt > > > Dear Hari, > > A planet is normally expected to proceed zodiacally, wanting to attain as high a longitude as possible within a rasi. When it does the anti-zodiacal, I see it as if it doesn't want to do that. When planets are said to be in bheeta avastha and all that, it appears that they're actually running away (in fear or cowardice or whatever) from what they're s'posed to be doing. My query germinated from such thoughts. > > Like you must've observed, my question wasn't on the AK itself but that planet which is to show who the ID is. By being retro, does it not want to show the ID at all, or what is it? That was, and continues to be, my doubt. > > Partha's comments (his first non-spiteful response to me, didja observe? ) on chestabala were correct, but not somehow relevant in the context of what I've asked, I felt. I could be wrong. > > Warm regards, > > Rama > hubli@v... > > - > Katti Narahari > vedic astrology > Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:42 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] An ishta devata doubt > > > Om Gurave Namah > > -- -------- > > Dear Rama, > > Let me try attempting this. > > A retro planet indicates fruits denied and the only way to achieve this is by putting more efforts. Thus to realize the istha, this would mean that the person will have to make extra efforts. Also a retro planet always has the knack of reversing it;s indications... thus again indicating that delays, frustrations could manifest in the path towards realization of the ishta. > > Let;s wait for inputs from guru's > > regds > > Hari > > > - > Ramapriya D > Vedic astro post > Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:43 PM > [vedic astrology] An ishta devata doubt > > > Hi, > > If the twelfth from karakamsha in a horoscope has a retro planet, does it mean that the ishta devata represented by it is actually running away from wanting to be the guiding spirit (towards moksha)? I'd be grateful if a guru clarifies. > > Ramapriya > hubli@v... > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... 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