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Namaste friends,

 

The mail below was forwarded to me by a friend. I first thought of ignoring

it and not dignifying it with a response. However, the fact is that this

mail is from a respected astrologer from the ISKCON family and carries some

weight. Silence is often taken as half-agreement. While it may below

Sanjay's dignity to respond to it, it is my duty as his student to set

things straight. I apologize to those who are not interested in this matter,

but there is a point here that must be made.

 

It is true that there were organizational hiccups at the USA branch of Pt.

Rath's organization. There were also serious accusations by a disgruntled

student. However, it is unfair to deny Pt. Rath the benefit of doubt. To the

best of my knowledge, the allegations of financial impropriety against him

are totally false. In my experience, Pt. Rath is a simple man who never

keeps anything belonging to others and only wants to give and not take. It

is sad that the unfortunate fall of a disgruntled student is being gleefully

cashed in by some shameless rivals to put Pt. Rath down.

 

It is unfortunate that a devotee of Krishna like Shyamasundara Dasa is using

quotes from "anonymous" people to even question Pt. Rath's knowledge and

ability to see charts (see at the end of the enclosed mail). THAT is the

limit. Always there will be jealous rivals who want to put a good man down,

but someone like Shyamasundara will do well to stay away from the politics

of some jealous people. Otherwise, one will have to club him too with those

jealous people.

 

Some facts here:

 

(1) There is no serious war. There is only one disgruntled person who is

completely isolated in the organization as he refused to obey Pt. Rath's

directives.

 

(2) Pt. Rath is the greatest Jyotish scholar alive by miles. Nobody comes

anywhere near him in the width or depth of knowledge. He is too learned a

man to be understood by every ordinary person. There were times when even I

thought he was contradicting himself. As I worked harder to understand him,

I would understand that there was no contradiction!

 

If my 4-year old son calls a donkey a pony, I might just agree that it is a

pony. When he grows up, he will realize. Similarly, Pt. Rath may have given

inaccurate answers at times to avoid indigestion in students and may have

appeared to be contradicting himself later.

 

Basically, he is a man with deep knowledge and a mission. Trying to judge

him is foolish. I have read many authors and interacted with many scholars,

but nobody comes anywhere close to him. This is not sycophancy from a

student. Members know that I am fiercely independent and that I disagreed

and argued with Sanjay many times.

 

(3) You quoted an "anonymous" critic:

 

> > " For the first six months I thought Sanjay was extremely knowledgeable

> also

> > but I kept waiting for the punch line that would put all his vast

> collection

> > of techniques into some sort of system. To this day I'm still waiting

and

> > have 2 of his books which also don't pull it together. Thus I concluded

> > about 2 years ago that he may have some knowledge but is primarily a

fraud

> > .It seems that some of our devotees have been stung. "

 

It is great that Sanjay is even teaching a lot of secrets. If you expect him

to spoon-feed it and "pull it all together" for you, you are expecting too

much. It is upto you to pull it all together. If somebody calls him a

"fraud" just because of this, he is either foolish or over-selfish and

jealous.

 

(4) Another "anonymous" person was quoted thus:

 

> > " It is not surprising but I am surprised .HH Prahladananda Swami had

> told

> > me he was a nice man and he had seemed helpful on lists and also money

did

> > not appear to be on his agenda. Nonetheless Sanjay has said so many

silly

> > things, is a spiritual chameleon, a confusing author, awarded absurd

> titles

> > and has not demonstrated consistent ability to read charts or make

> > predictions that it is very disappointing that people are referring to

him

> > as Guru or Gurudeva ."

 

Has not demonstrated consistent ability to read charts or make

predictions????

 

I have seen him live, giving so many correct predictions at Princeton, Ukiah

and my house, about the current life and about the past life. As in the

example I gave in my article on Shashtyamsa the other day, Sanjay told

someone that he was murdered by several people carrying swords, axes etc in

a rice field in his past life and the surprised native recalled that he had

inexplicable recurring dreams of several people with axes chasing him in

rice fields a few years back. Obviously, Sanjay's reading is correct and the

dream was of his past life death. Sanjay gave past life readings to many

people which matched their nadi readings. Sanjay told people things

correctly about themselves, spouses, parents, siblings, in-laws of siblings

etc. I saw him giving so many accurate readings personally. I saw him even

identifying major sins by elders a couple of generations back using higher

divisional charts, which were corraborated later by the natives. I saw him

predicting at the level of deha-antardasa (6th level) after rectification!

 

If someone wants to believe that Sanjay cannot see charts or does not have a

uniform and consistent approach, they are either hasty or jealous. Are you a

student of Sanjay and have you spent some time with him? If not, don't talk

about his abilities. Don't expect him to teach everything in books. He may

teach all the principles, but the final application comes only if you

observe him closely.

 

One last word: I am not here to waste my precious time in arguments. So many

people are waiting for my help and I get to help very few people everyday.

The purpose of this mail is to let members know that there is a vicious

propaganda against Pt. Sanjay Rath. One will do well to ignore the

propaganda. Being of Pisces lagna, Sanjay is a little sensitive. It is

unfortunate that people are attacking a genuine, selfless and learned

scholar like him for no reason. Shyamasundara will do well to realize that

his "anonymous" quotes questioning Pt. Rath's knowledge and abilities are

quite uncalled for and smack of mischievous intentions.

 

Pt. Rath told me that he has a few more years to spend on Jyotish and that

he plans to concentrate on spirituality after that. If we throw obstacles in

his path and restrict the output from him, it will be the loss of Jyotish

world and not his loss. He is not after money or after fame. He wants to

give. Do we want to take or do we want to fight with him and belittle the

selfless giver?

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

P.V.R. Narasimha Rao

 

> -

> "Shyamasundara (das) ACBSP (Vedic Astrologer) (USA)"

> <Shyamasundara.ACBSP

> "Vedic Astrology (Symposium hosted by Shyamasundara Das)"

> <Vedic.Astrology

> Cc: "Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU)" <Yadu-srestha.PVS

> Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:22 PM

> Dinaatha's reply to Sanjay Rath

>

>

> > Dear Maharajas, Prabhus and Matajis

> >

> > PAMHO AGTSP

> >

> > It seems like a serious flame war is brewing in the world of Jyotish on

> the

> > Internet. In recent years Sanjay Rath (SR) has suddenly risen to

celestial

> > heights in the Jyotish world based on his combination of "knowledge" of

> > Jyotish (see quotes below) and publication of books. He has gained great

> > popularity and has one of the largest jyotish email lists as well as

> started

> > an internet Jyotish school called "Sri Jagannatha Vedic Center." Several

> > ISKCON devotees have become enamored of him including at least 2 GBCs.

But

> > now things seem to be unraveling even quicker that they started.

> >

> > One of SR's earliest followers was Dina-natha Dasa (DNd) who lived in

> Delhi

> > and intimately studied with SR for the last 5 years. While others only

new

> > SR via the net, DNd was there in person and could see things first hand.

> The

> > following text reveals some rather shocking items that one would not

> expect

> > from someone in this position. It only goes to show that one must be

more

> > careful regarding who one studies Jyotish with.

> >

> > While I could appreciate SRs mild nature I had many doubts about his

> > knowledge of Jyotish especially in regard to his wrong assignment of

> Dhanus

> > Lagna to Srila Prabhupada's horoscope. This became a heated debate on

this

> > forum a couple of years back. We also noted that he would often

contradict

> > himself to win an argument or state things without giving a source-that

> is,

> > make things up as he went along. It seems that I was not the only one

who

> > harbored such doubts as is testified by the opinions of some others who

> have

> > followed SR's career but would prefer to remain anonymous:

> >

> > " For the first six months I thought Sanjay was extremely knowledgeable

> also

> > but I kept waiting for the punch line that would put all his vast

> collection

> > of techniques into some sort of system. To this day I'm still waiting

and

> > have 2 of his books which also don't pull it together. Thus I concluded

> > about 2 years ago that he may have some knowledge but is primarily a

fraud

> > .It seems that some of our devotees have been stung. "

> >

> > " It is not surprising but I am surprised .HH Prahladananda Swami had

> told

> > me he was a nice man and he had seemed helpful on lists and also money

did

> > not appear to be on his agenda. Nonetheless Sanjay has said so many

silly

> > things, is a spiritual chameleon, a confusing author, awarded absurd

> titles

> > and has not demonstrated consistent ability to read charts or make

> > predictions that it is very disappointing that people are referring to

him

> > as Guru or Gurudeva ."

> >

> >

> > We will keep you posted of any further developments.

> >

> > Your humble servant

> > Shyamasundara Dasa

> >

> > www.ShyamasundaraDasa.com

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For Good People there are always false propaganda

Jelousy is the cause .....ask the person to take antacid for acidity he is developing...

============================================================

However, the fact is that thismail is from a respected astrologer from the

ISKCON family and carries some weight.

=========================================================

It does not carry any weight from whom so ever...........................

Jaya Jaganatha >>> Lord Krishna also had false propaganda..........Many examples

can be quoted......those are mails to be ignored & also the concerned from....

Best Regards

Srinagesh

 

 

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Namaste friends,The mail below was forwarded to me by a friend. I first thought

of ignoringit and not dignifying it with a response. However, the fact is that

thismail is from a respected astrologer from the ISKCON family and carries

someweight. Silence is often taken as half-agreement. While it may

belowSanjay's dignity to respond to it, it is my duty as his student to

setthings straight. I apologize to those who are not interested in this

matter,but there is a point here that must be made.It is true that there were

organizational hiccups at the USA branch of Pt.Rath's organization. There were

also serious accusations by a disgruntledstudent. However, it is unfair to deny

Pt. Rath the benefit of doubt. To thebest of my knowledge, the allegations of

financial impropriety against himare totally false. In my experience, Pt. Rath

is a simple man who neverkeeps anything belonging to others and only wants to

give and not take. Itis sad that the unfortunate fall of a disgruntled student

is being gleefullycashed in by some shameless rivals to put Pt. Rath down.It is

unfortunate that a devotee of Krishna like Shyamasundara Dasa is usingquotes

from "anonymous" people to even question Pt. Rath's knowledge andability to see

charts (see at the end of the enclosed mail). THAT is thelimit. Always there

will be jealous rivals who want to put a good man down,but someone like

Shyamasundara will do well to stay away from the politicsof some jealous

people. Otherwise, one will have to club him too with thosejealous people.Some

facts here:(1) There is no serious war. There is only one disgruntled person

who iscompletely isolated in the organization as he refused to obey Pt.

Rath'sdirectives.(2) Pt. Rath is the greatest Jyotish scholar alive by miles.

Nobody comesanywhere near him in the width or depth of knowledge. He is too

learned aman to be understood by every ordinary person. There were times when

even Ithought he was contradicting himself. As I worked harder to understand

him,I would understand that there was no contradiction!If my 4-year old son

calls a donkey a pony, I might just agree that it is apony. When he grows up,

he will realize. Similarly, Pt. Rath may have giveninaccurate answers at times

to avoid indigestion in students and may haveappeared to be contradicting

himself later.Basically, he is a man with deep knowledge and a mission. Trying

to judgehim is foolish. I have read many authors and interacted with many

scholars,but nobody comes anywhere close to him. This is not sycophancy from

astudent. Members know that I am fiercely independent and that I disagreedand

argued with Sanjay many times.(3) You quoted an "anonymous" critic:> > " For

the first six months I thought Sanjay was extremely knowledgeable> also> > but

I kept waiting for the punch line that would put all his vast> collection> > of

techniques into some sort of system. To this day I'm still waitingand> > have 2

of his books which also don't pull it together. Thus I concluded> > about 2

years ago that he may have some knowledge but is primarily afraud> > .It seems

that some of our devotees have been stung. "It is great that Sanjay is even

teaching a lot of secrets. If you expect himto spoon-feed it and "pull it all

together" for you, you are expecting toomuch. It is upto you to pull it all

together. If somebody calls him a"fraud" just because of this, he is either

foolish or over-selfish andjealous.(4) Another "anonymous" person was quoted

thus:> > " It is not surprising but I am surprised .HH Prahladananda Swami

had> told> > me he was a nice man and he had seemed helpful on lists and also

moneydid> > not appear to be on his agenda. Nonetheless Sanjay has said so

manysilly> > things, is a spiritual chameleon, a confusing author, awarded

absurd> titles> > and has not demonstrated consistent ability to read charts or

make> > predictions that it is very disappointing that people are referring

tohim> > as Guru or Gurudeva ."Has not demonstrated consistent ability to read

charts or makepredictions????I have seen him live, giving so many correct

predictions at Princeton, Ukiahand my house, about the current life and about

the past life. As in theexample I gave in my article on Shashtyamsa the other

day, Sanjay toldsomeone that he was murdered by several people carrying swords,

axes etc ina rice field in his past life and the surprised native recalled that

he hadinexplicable recurring dreams of several people with axes chasing him

inrice fields a few years back. Obviously, Sanjay's reading is correct and

thedream was of his past life death. Sanjay gave past life readings to

manypeople which matched their nadi readings. Sanjay told people

thingscorrectly about themselves, spouses, parents, siblings, in-laws of

siblingsetc. I saw him giving so many accurate readings personally. I saw him

evenidentifying major sins by elders a couple of generations back using

higherdivisional charts, which were corraborated later by the natives. I saw

himpredicting at the level of deha-antardasa (6th level) after rectification!If

someone wants to believe that Sanjay cannot see charts or does not have auniform

and consistent approach, they are either hasty or jealous. Are you astudent of

Sanjay and have you spent some time with him? If not, don't talkabout his

abilities. Don't expect him to teach everything in books. He mayteach all the

principles, but the final application comes only if youobserve him closely.One

last word: I am not here to waste my precious time in arguments. So manypeople

are waiting for my help and I get to help very few people everyday.The purpose

of this mail is to let members know that there is a viciouspropaganda against

Pt. Sanjay Rath. One will do well to ignore thepropaganda. Being of Pisces

lagna, Sanjay is a little sensitive. It isunfortunate that people are attacking

a genuine, selfless and learnedscholar like him for no reason. Shyamasundara

will do well to realize thathis "anonymous" quotes questioning Pt. Rath's

knowledge and abilities arequite uncalled for and smack of mischievous

intentions.Pt. Rath told me that he has a few more years to spend on Jyotish

and thathe plans to concentrate on spirituality after that. If we throw

obstacles inhis path and restrict the output from him, it will be the loss of

Jyotishworld and not his loss. He is not after money or after fame. He wants

togive. Do we want to take or do we want to fight with him and belittle

theselfless giver?May Jupiter's light shine on us,P.V.R. Narasimha Rao> -----

Original Message -----> "Shyamasundara (das) ACBSP (Vedic Astrologer)

(USA)"> <Shyamasundara.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net>> "Vedic Astrology (Symposium hosted

by Shyamasundara Das)"> <Vedic.Astrology (AT) pamho (DOT) net>> Cc: "Yadu-srestha (das) PVS

(Melbourne - AU)" <Yadu-srestha.PVS (AT) pamho (DOT) net>> Thursday, October 03, 2002

2:22 PM> Dinaatha's reply to Sanjay Rath>>> > Dear Maharajas, Prabhus

and Matajis> >> > PAMHO AGTSP> >> > It seems like a serious flame war is

brewing in the world of Jyotish on> the> > Internet. In recent years Sanjay

Rath (SR) has suddenly risen tocelestial> > heights in the Jyotish world based

on his combination of "knowledge" of> > Jyotish (see quotes below) and

publication of books. He has gained great> > popularity and has one of the

largest jyotish email lists as well as> started> > an internet Jyotish school

called "Sri Jagannatha Vedic Center." Several> > ISKCON devotees have become

enamored of him including at least 2 GBCs.But> > now things seem to be

unraveling even quicker that they started.> >> > One of SR's earliest followers

was Dina-natha Dasa (DNd) who lived in> Delhi> > and intimately studied with SR

for the last 5 years. While others onlynew> > SR via the net, DNd was there in

person and could see things first hand.> The> > following text reveals some

rather shocking items that one would not> expect> > from someone in this

position. It only goes to show that one must bemore> > careful regarding who

one studies Jyotish with.> >> > While I could appreciate SRs mild nature I had

many doubts about his> > knowledge of Jyotish especially in regard to his wrong

assignment of> Dhanus> > Lagna to Srila Prabhupada's horoscope. This became a

heated debate onthis> > forum a couple of years back. We also noted that he

would oftencontradict> > himself to win an argument or state things without

giving a source-that> is,> > make things up as he went along. It seems that I

was not the only onewho> > harbored such doubts as is testified by the opinions

of some others who> have> > followed SR's career but would prefer to remain

anonymous:> >> > " For the first six months I thought Sanjay was extremely

knowledgeable> also> > but I kept waiting for the punch line that would put all

his vast> collection> > of techniques into some sort of system. To this day I'm

still waitingand> > have 2 of his books which also don't pull it together. Thus

I concluded> > about 2 years ago that he may have some knowledge but is

primarily afraud> > .It seems that some of our devotees have been stung. "> >>

> " It is not surprising but I am surprised .HH Prahladananda Swami had> told>

> me he was a nice man and he had seemed helpful on lists and also moneydid> >

not appear to be on his agenda. Nonetheless Sanjay has said so manysilly> >

things, is a spiritual chameleon, a confusing author, awarded absurd> titles> >

and has not demonstrated consistent ability to read charts or make> >

predictions that it is very disappointing that people are referring tohim> > as

Guru or Gurudeva ."> >> >> > We will keep you posted of any further

developments.> >> > Your humble servant> > Shyamasundara Dasa> >> >

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Shyamasundara Dasa, who authored the criticism against Sanjay Rath,

has quite a reputation as being a critical person, and I am putting

it lightly.

 

I don'tknow Sanjay Rath from Adam, I never read a book of his, but

for him to be a fraud would be something. The word " fraud " is

serious.

 

Which Dinanath went to Delhi, the Afro-American disciple of A.C.

Bhaktivedanta Swami who used to drive a cab in D.C. for a few years?

 

Dharmapad Das, aka Dharma/Dean

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear PVR Guru,

 

This is equivalent to the churning of the ocean. The poison always comes out

first. If poison has to go, let it... what remains will be only nectar.

 

Regds

 

Hari

 

(Katti Narahari)

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Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

Lakshmi Kary ; Sanjay Rath ; vedic astrology ; Vedic.Astrology (AT) pamho (DOT) net

Cc: Robert A. Koch ; Shyamasundara.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net

Sunday, October 13, 2002 12:25 AM

[vedic astrology] Propaganda Against Pt. Sanjay Rath

Namaste friends,The mail below was forwarded to me by a friend. I first thought

of ignoringit and not dignifying it with a response. However, the fact is that

thismail is from a respected astrologer from the ISKCON family and carries

someweight. Silence is often taken as half-agreement. While it may

belowSanjay's dignity to respond to it, it is my duty as his student to

setthings straight. I apologize to those who are not interested in this

matter,but there is a point here that must be made.It is true that there were

organizational hiccups at the USA branch of Pt.Rath's organization. There were

also serious accusations by a disgruntledstudent. However, it is unfair to deny

Pt. Rath the benefit of doubt. To thebest of my knowledge, the allegations of

financial impropriety against himare totally false. In my experience, Pt. Rath

is a simple man who neverkeeps anything belonging to others and only wants to

give and not take. Itis sad that the unfortunate fall of a disgruntled student

is being gleefullycashed in by some shameless rivals to put Pt. Rath down.It is

unfortunate that a devotee of Krishna like Shyamasundara Dasa is usingquotes

from "anonymous" people to even question Pt. Rath's knowledge andability to see

charts (see at the end of the enclosed mail). THAT is thelimit. Always there

will be jealous rivals who want to put a good man down,but someone like

Shyamasundara will do well to stay away from the politicsof some jealous

people. Otherwise, one will have to club him too with thosejealous people.Some

facts here:(1) There is no serious war. There is only one disgruntled person

who iscompletely isolated in the organization as he refused to obey Pt.

Rath'sdirectives.(2) Pt. Rath is the greatest Jyotish scholar alive by miles.

Nobody comesanywhere near him in the width or depth of knowledge. He is too

learned aman to be understood by every ordinary person. There were times when

even Ithought he was contradicting himself. As I worked harder to understand

him,I would understand that there was no contradiction!If my 4-year old son

calls a donkey a pony, I might just agree that it is apony. When he grows up,

he will realize. Similarly, Pt. Rath may have giveninaccurate answers at times

to avoid indigestion in students and may haveappeared to be contradicting

himself later.Basically, he is a man with deep knowledge and a mission. Trying

to judgehim is foolish. I have read many authors and interacted with many

scholars,but nobody comes anywhere close to him. This is not sycophancy from

astudent. Members know that I am fiercely independent and that I disagreedand

argued with Sanjay many times.(3) You quoted an "anonymous" critic:> > " For

the first six months I thought Sanjay was extremely knowledgeable> also> > but

I kept waiting for the punch line that would put all his vast> collection> > of

techniques into some sort of system. To this day I'm still waitingand> > have 2

of his books which also don't pull it together. Thus I concluded> > about 2

years ago that he may have some knowledge but is primarily afraud> > .It seems

that some of our devotees have been stung. "It is great that Sanjay is even

teaching a lot of secrets. If you expect himto spoon-feed it and "pull it all

together" for you, you are expecting toomuch. It is upto you to pull it all

together. If somebody calls him a"fraud" just because of this, he is either

foolish or over-selfish andjealous.(4) Another "anonymous" person was quoted

thus:> > " It is not surprising but I am surprised .HH Prahladananda Swami

had> told> > me he was a nice man and he had seemed helpful on lists and also

moneydid> > not appear to be on his agenda. Nonetheless Sanjay has said so

manysilly> > things, is a spiritual chameleon, a confusing author, awarded

absurd> titles> > and has not demonstrated consistent ability to read charts or

make> > predictions that it is very disappointing that people are referring

tohim> > as Guru or Gurudeva ."Has not demonstrated consistent ability to read

charts or makepredictions????I have seen him live, giving so many correct

predictions at Princeton, Ukiahand my house, about the current life and about

the past life. As in theexample I gave in my article on Shashtyamsa the other

day, Sanjay toldsomeone that he was murdered by several people carrying swords,

axes etc ina rice field in his past life and the surprised native recalled that

he hadinexplicable recurring dreams of several people with axes chasing him

inrice fields a few years back. Obviously, Sanjay's reading is correct and

thedream was of his past life death. Sanjay gave past life readings to

manypeople which matched their nadi readings. Sanjay told people

thingscorrectly about themselves, spouses, parents, siblings, in-laws of

siblingsetc. I saw him giving so many accurate readings personally. I saw him

evenidentifying major sins by elders a couple of generations back using

higherdivisional charts, which were corraborated later by the natives. I saw

himpredicting at the level of deha-antardasa (6th level) after rectification!If

someone wants to believe that Sanjay cannot see charts or does not have auniform

and consistent approach, they are either hasty or jealous. Are you astudent of

Sanjay and have you spent some time with him? If not, don't talkabout his

abilities. Don't expect him to teach everything in books. He mayteach all the

principles, but the final application comes only if youobserve him closely.One

last word: I am not here to waste my precious time in arguments. So manypeople

are waiting for my help and I get to help very few people everyday.The purpose

of this mail is to let members know that there is a viciouspropaganda against

Pt. Sanjay Rath. One will do well to ignore thepropaganda. Being of Pisces

lagna, Sanjay is a little sensitive. It isunfortunate that people are attacking

a genuine, selfless and learnedscholar like him for no reason. Shyamasundara

will do well to realize thathis "anonymous" quotes questioning Pt. Rath's

knowledge and abilities arequite uncalled for and smack of mischievous

intentions.Pt. Rath told me that he has a few more years to spend on Jyotish

and thathe plans to concentrate on spirituality after that. If we throw

obstacles inhis path and restrict the output from him, it will be the loss of

Jyotishworld and not his loss. He is not after money or after fame. He wants

togive. Do we want to take or do we want to fight with him and belittle

theselfless giver?May Jupiter's light shine on us,P.V.R. Narasimha Rao> -----

Original Message -----> "Shyamasundara (das) ACBSP (Vedic Astrologer)

(USA)"> <Shyamasundara.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net>> "Vedic Astrology (Symposium hosted

by Shyamasundara Das)"> <Vedic.Astrology (AT) pamho (DOT) net>> Cc: "Yadu-srestha (das) PVS

(Melbourne - AU)" <Yadu-srestha.PVS (AT) pamho (DOT) net>> Thursday, October 03, 2002

2:22 PM> Dinaatha's reply to Sanjay Rath>>> > Dear Maharajas, Prabhus

and Matajis> >> > PAMHO AGTSP> >> > It seems like a serious flame war is

brewing in the world of Jyotish on> the> > Internet. In recent years Sanjay

Rath (SR) has suddenly risen tocelestial> > heights in the Jyotish world based

on his combination of "knowledge" of> > Jyotish (see quotes below) and

publication of books. He has gained great> > popularity and has one of the

largest jyotish email lists as well as> started> > an internet Jyotish school

called "Sri Jagannatha Vedic Center." Several> > ISKCON devotees have become

enamored of him including at least 2 GBCs.But> > now things seem to be

unraveling even quicker that they started.> >> > One of SR's earliest followers

was Dina-natha Dasa (DNd) who lived in> Delhi> > and intimately studied with SR

for the last 5 years. While others onlynew> > SR via the net, DNd was there in

person and could see things first hand.> The> > following text reveals some

rather shocking items that one would not> expect> > from someone in this

position. It only goes to show that one must bemore> > careful regarding who

one studies Jyotish with.> >> > While I could appreciate SRs mild nature I had

many doubts about his> > knowledge of Jyotish especially in regard to his wrong

assignment of> Dhanus> > Lagna to Srila Prabhupada's horoscope. This became a

heated debate onthis> > forum a couple of years back. We also noted that he

would oftencontradict> > himself to win an argument or state things without

giving a source-that> is,> > make things up as he went along. It seems that I

was not the only onewho> > harbored such doubts as is testified by the opinions

of some others who> have> > followed SR's career but would prefer to remain

anonymous:> >> > " For the first six months I thought Sanjay was extremely

knowledgeable> also> > but I kept waiting for the punch line that would put all

his vast> collection> > of techniques into some sort of system. To this day I'm

still waitingand> > have 2 of his books which also don't pull it together. Thus

I concluded> > about 2 years ago that he may have some knowledge but is

primarily afraud> > .It seems that some of our devotees have been stung. "> >>

> " It is not surprising but I am surprised .HH Prahladananda Swami had> told>

> me he was a nice man and he had seemed helpful on lists and also moneydid> >

not appear to be on his agenda. Nonetheless Sanjay has said so manysilly> >

things, is a spiritual chameleon, a confusing author, awarded absurd> titles> >

and has not demonstrated consistent ability to read charts or make> >

predictions that it is very disappointing that people are referring tohim> > as

Guru or Gurudeva ."> >> >> > We will keep you posted of any further

developments.> >> > Your humble servant> > Shyamasundara Dasa> >> >

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Dear Narasimha,

 

>From Shyamasundara's site, it is obvious he is running a commercial

astrological service. To him, Sanjay must be completely incomprehensible.

These are people in completely different dimensions.

 

Best wishes,

 

Nimmi

 

-

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr

"Lakshmi Kary" <laksmi_k; "Sanjay Rath"

<daivagyna; <vedic astrology>;

<Vedic.Astrology

Cc: "Robert A. Koch" <rk; <Shyamasundara.ACBSP

Saturday, October 12, 2002 7:55 PM

[vedic astrology] Propaganda Against Pt. Sanjay Rath

 

 

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> The mail below was forwarded to me by a friend. I first thought of

ignoring

> it and not dignifying it with a response. However, the fact is that this

> mail is from a respected astrologer from the ISKCON family and carries

some

> weight. Silence is often taken as half-agreement. While it may below

> Sanjay's dignity to respond to it, it is my duty as his student to set

> things straight. I apologize to those who are not interested in this

matter,

> but there is a point here that must be made.

>

> It is true that there were organizational hiccups at the USA branch of Pt.

> Rath's organization. There were also serious accusations by a disgruntled

> student. However, it is unfair to deny Pt. Rath the benefit of doubt. To

the

> best of my knowledge, the allegations of financial impropriety against him

> are totally false. In my experience, Pt. Rath is a simple man who never

> keeps anything belonging to others and only wants to give and not take. It

> is sad that the unfortunate fall of a disgruntled student is being

gleefully

> cashed in by some shameless rivals to put Pt. Rath down.

>

> It is unfortunate that a devotee of Krishna like Shyamasundara Dasa is

using

> quotes from "anonymous" people to even question Pt. Rath's knowledge and

> ability to see charts (see at the end of the enclosed mail). THAT is the

> limit. Always there will be jealous rivals who want to put a good man

down,

> but someone like Shyamasundara will do well to stay away from the politics

> of some jealous people. Otherwise, one will have to club him too with

those

> jealous people.

>

> Some facts here:

>

> (1) There is no serious war. There is only one disgruntled person who is

> completely isolated in the organization as he refused to obey Pt. Rath's

> directives.

>

> (2) Pt. Rath is the greatest Jyotish scholar alive by miles. Nobody comes

> anywhere near him in the width or depth of knowledge. He is too learned a

> man to be understood by every ordinary person. There were times when even

I

> thought he was contradicting himself. As I worked harder to understand

him,

> I would understand that there was no contradiction!

>

> If my 4-year old son calls a donkey a pony, I might just agree that it is

a

> pony. When he grows up, he will realize. Similarly, Pt. Rath may have

given

> inaccurate answers at times to avoid indigestion in students and may have

> appeared to be contradicting himself later.

>

> Basically, he is a man with deep knowledge and a mission. Trying to judge

> him is foolish. I have read many authors and interacted with many

scholars,

> but nobody comes anywhere close to him. This is not sycophancy from a

> student. Members know that I am fiercely independent and that I disagreed

> and argued with Sanjay many times.

>

> (3) You quoted an "anonymous" critic:

>

> > > " For the first six months I thought Sanjay was extremely

knowledgeable

> > also

> > > but I kept waiting for the punch line that would put all his vast

> > collection

> > > of techniques into some sort of system. To this day I'm still waiting

> and

> > > have 2 of his books which also don't pull it together. Thus I

concluded

> > > about 2 years ago that he may have some knowledge but is primarily a

> fraud

> > > .It seems that some of our devotees have been stung. "

>

> It is great that Sanjay is even teaching a lot of secrets. If you expect

him

> to spoon-feed it and "pull it all together" for you, you are expecting too

> much. It is upto you to pull it all together. If somebody calls him a

> "fraud" just because of this, he is either foolish or over-selfish and

> jealous.

>

> (4) Another "anonymous" person was quoted thus:

>

> > > " It is not surprising but I am surprised .HH Prahladananda Swami had

> > told

> > > me he was a nice man and he had seemed helpful on lists and also money

> did

> > > not appear to be on his agenda. Nonetheless Sanjay has said so many

> silly

> > > things, is a spiritual chameleon, a confusing author, awarded absurd

> > titles

> > > and has not demonstrated consistent ability to read charts or make

> > > predictions that it is very disappointing that people are referring to

> him

> > > as Guru or Gurudeva ."

>

> Has not demonstrated consistent ability to read charts or make

> predictions????

>

> I have seen him live, giving so many correct predictions at Princeton,

Ukiah

> and my house, about the current life and about the past life. As in the

> example I gave in my article on Shashtyamsa the other day, Sanjay told

> someone that he was murdered by several people carrying swords, axes etc

in

> a rice field in his past life and the surprised native recalled that he

had

> inexplicable recurring dreams of several people with axes chasing him in

> rice fields a few years back. Obviously, Sanjay's reading is correct and

the

> dream was of his past life death. Sanjay gave past life readings to many

> people which matched their nadi readings. Sanjay told people things

> correctly about themselves, spouses, parents, siblings, in-laws of

siblings

> etc. I saw him giving so many accurate readings personally. I saw him even

> identifying major sins by elders a couple of generations back using higher

> divisional charts, which were corraborated later by the natives. I saw him

> predicting at the level of deha-antardasa (6th level) after rectification!

>

> If someone wants to believe that Sanjay cannot see charts or does not have

a

> uniform and consistent approach, they are either hasty or jealous. Are you

a

> student of Sanjay and have you spent some time with him? If not, don't

talk

> about his abilities. Don't expect him to teach everything in books. He may

> teach all the principles, but the final application comes only if you

> observe him closely.

>

> One last word: I am not here to waste my precious time in arguments. So

many

> people are waiting for my help and I get to help very few people everyday.

> The purpose of this mail is to let members know that there is a vicious

> propaganda against Pt. Sanjay Rath. One will do well to ignore the

> propaganda. Being of Pisces lagna, Sanjay is a little sensitive. It is

> unfortunate that people are attacking a genuine, selfless and learned

> scholar like him for no reason. Shyamasundara will do well to realize that

> his "anonymous" quotes questioning Pt. Rath's knowledge and abilities are

> quite uncalled for and smack of mischievous intentions.

>

> Pt. Rath told me that he has a few more years to spend on Jyotish and that

> he plans to concentrate on spirituality after that. If we throw obstacles

in

> his path and restrict the output from him, it will be the loss of Jyotish

> world and not his loss. He is not after money or after fame. He wants to

> give. Do we want to take or do we want to fight with him and belittle the

> selfless giver?

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> P.V.R. Narasimha Rao

>

> > -

> > "Shyamasundara (das) ACBSP (Vedic Astrologer) (USA)"

> > <Shyamasundara.ACBSP

> > "Vedic Astrology (Symposium hosted by Shyamasundara Das)"

> > <Vedic.Astrology

> > Cc: "Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU)"

<Yadu-srestha.PVS

> > Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:22 PM

> > Dinaatha's reply to Sanjay Rath

> >

> >

> > > Dear Maharajas, Prabhus and Matajis

> > >

> > > PAMHO AGTSP

> > >

> > > It seems like a serious flame war is brewing in the world of Jyotish

on

> > the

> > > Internet. In recent years Sanjay Rath (SR) has suddenly risen to

> celestial

> > > heights in the Jyotish world based on his combination of "knowledge"

of

> > > Jyotish (see quotes below) and publication of books. He has gained

great

> > > popularity and has one of the largest jyotish email lists as well as

> > started

> > > an internet Jyotish school called "Sri Jagannatha Vedic Center."

Several

> > > ISKCON devotees have become enamored of him including at least 2 GBCs.

> But

> > > now things seem to be unraveling even quicker that they started.

> > >

> > > One of SR's earliest followers was Dina-natha Dasa (DNd) who lived in

> > Delhi

> > > and intimately studied with SR for the last 5 years. While others only

> new

> > > SR via the net, DNd was there in person and could see things first

hand.

> > The

> > > following text reveals some rather shocking items that one would not

> > expect

> > > from someone in this position. It only goes to show that one must be

> more

> > > careful regarding who one studies Jyotish with.

> > >

> > > While I could appreciate SRs mild nature I had many doubts about his

> > > knowledge of Jyotish especially in regard to his wrong assignment of

> > Dhanus

> > > Lagna to Srila Prabhupada's horoscope. This became a heated debate on

> this

> > > forum a couple of years back. We also noted that he would often

> contradict

> > > himself to win an argument or state things without giving a

source-that

> > is,

> > > make things up as he went along. It seems that I was not the only one

> who

> > > harbored such doubts as is testified by the opinions of some others

who

> > have

> > > followed SR's career but would prefer to remain anonymous:

> > >

> > > " For the first six months I thought Sanjay was extremely

knowledgeable

> > also

> > > but I kept waiting for the punch line that would put all his vast

> > collection

> > > of techniques into some sort of system. To this day I'm still waiting

> and

> > > have 2 of his books which also don't pull it together. Thus I

concluded

> > > about 2 years ago that he may have some knowledge but is primarily a

> fraud

> > > .It seems that some of our devotees have been stung. "

> > >

> > > " It is not surprising but I am surprised .HH Prahladananda Swami had

> > told

> > > me he was a nice man and he had seemed helpful on lists and also money

> did

> > > not appear to be on his agenda. Nonetheless Sanjay has said so many

> silly

> > > things, is a spiritual chameleon, a confusing author, awarded absurd

> > titles

> > > and has not demonstrated consistent ability to read charts or make

> > > predictions that it is very disappointing that people are referring to

> him

> > > as Guru or Gurudeva ."

> > >

> > >

> > > We will keep you posted of any further developments.

> > >

> > > Your humble servant

> > > Shyamasundara Dasa

> > >

> > > www.ShyamasundaraDasa.com

>

>

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>

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