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deandddd <0108 (AT) terra (DOT) com.br> wrote:

Partha,Good points. I'll give you his birth info. He was born on October 27,

1945. Longitude: 34* 47 WestLatitude: 08* 09 SouthTime Zone: 3No daylight time

was involved. The time is said by some to be 4:00 AM, by others to be around

6:10 AM. Food for thought and comments- The Libra chart could have a Vipreet

raj yoga working in the 12th. But the debilitated Sun would still be smack in

the first house. He used to be a metal worker amd a big union man. He is a

socialist, and all of his support is from the masses and the poor. Saturn is

prominent and favorable from both lagnas. He does not seem to be the exciteable

type in public, but rather to be calm, cool and collected. Virgo would make him

exciteable, but Saturn aspects. His speech is not educated, he speaks just like

the poor classes from which he came. He speaks with bad grammar. Portuguese is

difficult to speak correctly, and the poor speak a simplified form of it. He

doesn't have much formal education, but has been schooled, briefed, ect., from

within the party. He is a well-informed man.I have favored Virgo, but it has

been brought to my attention that I don't know much about his life to be able

to match in the first place. For example, I don't know how many brothers and

sisters he has. ( I'm working on it ). But I don't see how the Libra chart

could make a big man out of him, nor give a political career. Unless, of

course, there is a vipreet yoga going on and I just didn't pay attention to it

when I formed my opinion. But even if there is a vipreet effect under Libra,

how could that nasty Sun in the ascendent allow much in the way of status or

success? There is no real cancellation.Dharma/Deanvedic astrology,

partha sarathy <partvinu5> wrote:> > dear dean> The configuration seems to

be ok, but let me put some points so that we can be sure of lagna> a) For virgo

lagna the only yogakaraka as per classical principles is venus. And for a

political leader, the most important thing to consider is mass support. > b)

Saturn should be in a powerful position for mass support, especially from ghati

lagna. Thus see if he has saturn in trines to ghati lagna in rasi, and

dasamsa.> c) It has been observed that libra lagna people have tremendous

charisma and they are quite capapble of winning mass support due to the same.

Saturn being a yogakaraka and leo being the 11th house of business friends

could be some of the reasons.> d) With libra lagna, saturn is in 10th house

with mars. The debilitation of mars is automatically cancelled. > e) There is

an exchange between venus and mercury, so isn't it kind of cancelling the

weakness of venus the lagnesh.> f) I have not seen this person, so i cant

comment on his girlish traits. But libra with debilitated sun in it is opposite

to a fierce and radiant sun. So this is not a defect, but can show empathy.> g)

If you could give his birth details then the dasamsa and other vargas could be

analysed.> regards> partha> > Dean <0108@t...> wrote:People, I would liike to

throw up a horoscope for discussion. It belongs to the number one candidate in

the Brazilian presidential elections. For along time now, he has been a major

political figure in one of the major nations on the face of the Earth, one with

the land mass of the continental USA and a population of something> like160

million. He is about to win the presidential election with wide support. He has

a super strong lead in the polls with only three weeks to go. > But there is

contention about his birth time. Some throw around a birth time of 4:00 AM,

while others throw around a birth time of 6:00 AM. Four AM gives a lagna of

Virgo, and six AM gives Libra. The candidate seems to think that he was born at

six o'clock, which would give Libra But I feel that it is impossible that he was

born under Libra. Libra rising at 6:10 AM gives a debibitated Sun in the first

house with no> cancellation, and the lord of the first, Venus, debilitated in

the house of loss with a nasty Jupiter. The major planetary period of Venus is

operating.> The Libra chart indicates a person with the status of a shoe shine

boy.> > The Virgo chart places benefic Venus in the ascendent as the lord of a

trine. The debilitation of Venus has a good bit of cancellation. The political

planet, the Sun, is also debilitated, but does receive a good bit of

cancellation under Virgo rising. This is not the case in the Libra chart. Virgo

ascendent also combines another benefic, Jupiter, who is the lord of two

quadrants combining with a trinal lord. Saturn aspects the ascendent from a

great house as a trinal lord, and his base of support are the> workers. The

major and sub periods are Venus-Saturn.> He is rather girlish in his demeanor,

which is more evidence in relation to Virgo. In fact, I would put his birth

time at 4:15 AM which would give vargottama Virgo. This would provide

justification for all the sentimental emotionalism that he gives off and help

to account for his high status. > Opinions? Dharma/Dean> > > >

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Dear Dean and Partha,

Have no doubt that the debilitated planets in the 4th/10th from each other are

causing the Raja Yoga for Libra Lagna, because they are PARASPARA Karakas.

 

I.e. The grahas are working together to get out of their misery. Saturn in the

10th in Cancer, shows that he's after the highest goal of leadership. Namely

presidency.

 

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Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lula in Brazil-technical

Dear Deanlet us get into some technicalities now.I have put his time of birth to

6 02 am. Which is based on some of the following assumptions. For powerful

political leaders Ghati lagna or the seat of power is so very crucial. a)

Cancer Narayana dasa has started in 1999, you have said that he is going to be

the president of the nation. Now capricorn seats the GL which is just opposite

to cancer , Moon the lord of cancer is getting power as saturn the lord of GL

is transferring power to him. Moon, mars and saturn are giving drishti to both

HL as well as GL.b) You said that he speaks in the the diction of the poor, the

karakamsa is taurus and venus and ketu are in the second house to mercury. The

presence of ketu can give the diction that you have mentioned.c) if we take the

time of birth near 4, 4 10 am, or 4 15 am, the problem is that GL would be in

leo. Saturn in 12th house from leo would mean that he would not be loved by

masses.d) with 6 2 am, GL is in capricorn, Sun the king is in 10th house

confirming his rise as political leader. Saturn is lord of GL. In dasamsa GL

would be in scorpio which is occupied by jupiter. Saturn is in pisces trines to

GL. Sun the 10th lord would come into capricorn giving drishti to leo again!.e)

The royal signs of cancer and leo are quite important for political leaders. If

you remember PV Narasimha rao of india, he is virgo lagna, he never had any mass

base, he won due to the sheer presence of vipareet raja yoga than anything else.

Hitler, Gandhi, Akbar, NTR, all these people are libra rising.f) In his dasamsa

, cancer is rising, lagnesh chandra is in 10th house in fiery aries. This is

quite powerful kshetra simhasana yoga.g) Saravali mentions that all the raja

yogas are destroyed when sun is in deep debilitation. So your point that his

sun is not getting cancellation is quite valid. Apart from the sun factor, you

seem to agree to libra lagna. His childhood which can be seen from 2nd house

has the drishti of moon, debilitated mars and saturn, indicating poverty. So

the rags to riches story is neat with libra. But anyway i am waiting for you to

give some more facts so that we can conclude firmly.Regardspartha

 

deandddd <0108 (AT) terra (DOT) com.br> wrote: Partha,Good points. I'll give you his birth

info. He was born on October 27, 1945. Longitude: 34* 47 WestLatitude: 08* 09

SouthTime Zone: 3No daylight time was involved. The time is said by some to be

4:00 AM, by others to be around 6:10 AM. Food for thought and comments- The

Libra chart could have a Vipreet raj yoga working in the 12th. But the

debilitated Sun would still be smack in the first house. He used to be a metal

worker amd a big union man. He is a socialist, and all of his support is from

the masses and the poor. Saturn is prominent and favorable from both lagnas. He

does not seem to be the exciteable type in public, but rather to be calm, cool

and collected. Virgo would make him exciteable, but Saturn aspects. His speech

is not educated, he speaks just like the poor classes from which he came. He

speaks with bad grammar. Portuguese is difficult to speak correctly, and the

poor speak a simplified form of it. He doesn't have much formal education, but

has been schooled, briefed, ect., from within the party. He is a well-informed

man.I have favored Virgo, but it has been brought to my attention that I don't

know much about his life to be able to match in the first place. For example, I

don't know how many brothers and sisters he has. ( I'm working on it ). But I

don't see how the Libra chart could make a big man out of him, nor give a

political career. Unless, of course, there is a vipreet yoga going on and I

just didn't pay attention to it when I formed my opinion. But even if there is

a vipreet effect under Libra, how could that nasty Sun in the ascendent allow

much in the way of status or success? There is no real

cancellation.Dharma/Deanvedic astrology, partha sarathy

<partvinu5> wrote:> > dear dean> The configuration seems to be ok, but let

me put some points so that we can be sure of lagna> a) For virgo lagna the only

yogakaraka as per classical principles is venus. And for a political leader,

the most important thing to consider is mass support. > b) Saturn should be in

a powerful position for mass support, especially from ghati lagna. Thus see if

he has saturn in trines to ghati lagna in rasi, and dasamsa.> c) It has been

observed that libra lagna people have tremendous charisma and they are quite

capapble of winning mass support due to the same. Saturn being a yogakaraka and

leo being the 11th house of business friends could be some of the reasons.> d)

With libra lagna, saturn is in 10th house with mars. The debilitation of mars

is automatically cancelled. > e) There is an exchange between venus and

mercury, so isn't it kind of cancelling the weakness of venus the lagnesh.> f)

I have not seen this person, so i cant comment on his girlish traits. But libra

with debilitated sun in it is opposite to a fierce and radiant sun. So this is

not a defect, but can show empathy.> g) If you could give his birth details

then the dasamsa and other vargas could be analysed.> regards> partha> > Dean

<0108@t...> wrote:People, I would liike to throw up a horoscope for discussion.

It belongs to the number one candidate in the Brazilian presidential elections.

For along time now, he has been a major political figure in one of the major

nations on the face of the Earth, one with the land mass of the continental USA

and a population of something> like160 million. He is about to win the

presidential election with wide support. He has a super strong lead in the

polls with only three weeks to go. > But there is contention about his birth

time. Some throw around a birth time of 4:00 AM, while others throw around a

birth time of 6:00 AM. Four AM gives a lagna of Virgo, and six AM gives Libra.

The candidate seems to think that he was born at six o'clock, which would give

Libra But I feel that it is impossible that he was born under Libra. Libra

rising at 6:10 AM gives a debibitated Sun in the first house with no>

cancellation, and the lord of the first, Venus, debilitated in the house of

loss with a nasty Jupiter. The major planetary period of Venus is operating.>

The Libra chart indicates a person with the status of a shoe shine boy.> > The

Virgo chart places benefic Venus in the ascendent as the lord of a trine. The

debilitation of Venus has a good bit of cancellation. The political planet, the

Sun, is also debilitated, but does receive a good bit of cancellation under

Virgo rising. This is not the case in the Libra chart. Virgo ascendent also

combines another benefic, Jupiter, who is the lord of two quadrants combining

with a trinal lord. Saturn aspects the ascendent from a great house as a trinal

lord, and his base of support are the> workers. The major and sub periods are

Venus-Saturn.> He is rather girlish in his demeanor, which is more evidence in

relation to Virgo. In fact, I would put his birth time at 4:15 AM which would

give vargottama Virgo. This would provide justification for all the sentimental

emotionalism that he gives off and help to account for his high status. >

Opinions? Dharma/Dean> > > > > >

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