Musharraf's and other politicians' charts (M.Desai)

September 24, 2002

Hello Imran:

I didn't call any names. Comments on my posting are statements of

fact. Most of the facts included in my post come from unbiased news

channels like CNN and BBC, not from a "hindu" or an "Indian" news

channel.

If you can't tolerate the reality and facts, don't describe it

as "name-calling" as it isn't.

Ya, I agree this is a vedic astrology website and I should keep my

postings on the subject of astrology.

MD

vedic astrology, Muhammad Imran <astroimran> wrote:

>

> Dear Mr.M.Deasi,

> Once you've told on this list that you always try to perform "pure

karma", in order to reduce the bad effects of planetary position and

get Moksha. But I have observed many times that you often use strong

language and your vision about Muslims and specially Pakistani

happens quite narrow. I dont know why you do so, instead of learned

and living in a cultural society. And what sort of good karma you are

doing by underestimating Muslims and throwing mud on Pakistanis, and

specially on this forum of vedic discussion ! ! ! ! ! !

> Though I even don't like many politicians and extremist religous

groups in sub-continent, but it doesn't mean I starting calling names

on vedic astrology list. I asked to share the rectification of chart

and what did you do, think...

> God may reliev your pain and suffering.

> M.Imran

> monmuk111 wrote: Hello Imran:

>

> Do the Pakistani people have any control over all the terrorist

> activity that ISI is conducting in India. Pakistan backed Islamic

> terrorist have killed over 30,000 people in Kashmir in last 8

years,

> most of them after Mussaraf came to power. Al Qaeda seems to have

> permanent home in Norther Pakistan.

>

> Pakistain once had universities that turned out technology

graduates

> as good or better than India (In my opinion, India turns out the

best

> technology graduates in the world). Pakistan once had a thriving

> economy, an open and accomodating culture--under Bhutto and Zia.

Now,

> Pakistan has turned into a culture of Klastnikov and religious

> extremism.

>

> Except for Zia, most of your politicians were big time thugs and

> Mussaraf appears to be the biggest thug of all. Why can't the

> Pakistani public replac him, elect a democratic governemtn, get rid

> of the Islamic extremeist and bring back the good ol' days and

focus

> on economic and cultural growth rather than become a breeding

ground

> for Islamic terrorists world wide.

>

> How do you feel about it? Almost every Al Qaeda operative who is

> captured had lived in Pakistan at some time in his bloody career of

> killing innocent people? Even the American Taliban, John Walker,

> trained at terrorist camp in Pakistan (per his admission) and

fought

> against Indian militray before he went to the instituton of higher

> learning (terrorism skill offcourse) in Afghanistan.

>

> It is so sad that a thriving country that was one of the first to

> attract foreign investment is dying. Do you feel the Pakistanis

have

> a choice? I some times watch Pakistani TV serial and the characters

> seem to be good, normal people. However, on CNN I see blood

thirsty,

> bearded men burning the American and Israeli and Indian flags and

> calling for holy-war against these three countries. -- Is this the

> reflection of Pakistani reality? or the reality is what I see in

> Pakistani TV dramas?

>

> I just read about the killing of 30 people and injuring of over 100

> by Islamic terrorists in a temple in Gujarat yesterday and this got

> me going.--What a savage attack--they machine gunned the crowd

> worshipping in the temple and later lobbed Grenades to kill the one

> who were alive.--I'm sure they were Pakistan based, will know in a

> couple of days for sure.

>

> MD

>

> vedic astrology, Muhammad Imran <astroimran> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mumin and List,

> >

> > You have aksed about the birth details of Presedent Pervez

> Musharraf. But there are more than one opinion on his natal chart.

> The most reliable birth details are as follows (suggested by Vedic

> Astrologer Dr.Aijaz Hussain Batt - Rawalpindi)

> >

> > August 11, 1943, 6:05 am New Delhi, Zone: 6:30 (India War

> Time) with Lagan 15-6 Cancer and Scorpio navamsa.

> >

> > But few others take birth time 7:00 am with Cancer lagna and

> Aquarius navamsa and starts Mars dasa from mid october. Fortunate

> last month I met with Mr.Ishaq Noor the personal Astrologer of

Pervez

> Musharraf (before his presedency), he claimed that popular birth

date

> of Pervez Musharraf was not realible, He said that Perved Musharraf

has Scorpio lagan,

> Cancer Moon, and Leo Mars, (this make August 1942).

> >

> > Since the general election of Pakistan will be held on 10

October.

> So I am giving the birth chart of some Pakistani politicians for

> interested astrologers.

> >

> > Nawaz Sharif: (fmr Prime Minister): 24 August 1947 at 11:55 pm

> Lahore Zone: 5:30, with lagna=1degree Virgo.

> >

> > Benazir Bhutto:(former PM and daughter of Zulfiqar Ali Bhuto): 21

> June 1953 Karachi at 7:43 pm, Zone: 4:30 with lagna=19-15

Sagittarius.

> >

> > Altaf Hussain(leader of MQM, 3rd largest Party): 17 September

1953,

> Karachi 2:50 pm with Sagittarius Lagna and Scorpio navamsa.

> >

> > Imran Khan(former CricketCaptain & Politician): 5 October 1952 at

> 9:30 am Karachi Zone:9:30 with Scorpio Lagan and Virgo Navamsa.

> >

> > If anyone can resuggest (or already has) Pervez Musharraf's chart

> so please share.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > M.mran

> >

>

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September 24, 2002

Hare Rama Krishna

Please no more fighting, i don't care who started it. The act in Gujarat was so

senseless, i can only be comforted by the fact that the victims died under the

roof of a temple.. Makes one wonder what they did to die in a holy place, some

sort of Punya is indicated at the same time.

Best wishes, Visti.

-

Muhammad Imran

vedic astrology

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 9:25 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Musharraf's and other politicians' charts (M.Desai)

Dear Mr.M.Deasi, Once you've told on this list that you always try to perform

"pure karma", in order to reduce the bad effects of planetary position and get

Moksha. But I have observed many times that you often use strong language and

your vision about Muslims and specially Pakistani happens quite narrow. I dont

know why you do so, instead of learned and living in a cultural society. And

what sort of good karma you are doing by underestimating Muslims and throwing

mud on Pakistanis, and specially on this forum of vedic discussion ! ! ! ! ! !

Though I even don't like many politicians and extremist religous groups in

sub-continent, but it doesn't mean I starting calling names on vedic astrology

list. I asked to share the rectification of chart and what did you do, think...

God may reliev your pain and suffering. M.Imran monmuk111 wrote: Hello Imran:Do

the Pakistani people have any control over all the terrorist activity that ISI

is conducting in India. Pakistan backed Islamic terrorist have killed over

30,000 people in Kashmir in last 8 years, most of them after Mussaraf came to

power. Al Qaeda seems to have permanent home in Norther Pakistan. Pakistain

once had universities that turned out technology graduates as good or better

than India (In my opinion, India turns out the best technology graduates in the

world). Pakistan once had a thriving economy, an open and accomodating

culture--under Bhutto and Zia. Now, Pakistan has turned into a culture of

Klastnikov and religious extremism. Except for Zia, most of your politicians

were big time thugs and Mussaraf appears to be the biggest thug of all. Why

can't the Pakistani public replac him, elect a democratic governemtn, get rid

of the Islamic extremeist and bring back the good ol' days and focus on

economic and cultural growth rather than become a breeding ground for Islamic

terrorists world wide.How do you feel about it? Almost every Al Qaeda operative

who is captured had lived in Pakistan at some time in his bloody career of

killing innocent people? Even the American Taliban, John Walker, trained at

terrorist camp in Pakistan (per his admission) and fought against Indian

militray before he went to the instituton of higher learning (terrorism skill

offcourse) in Afghanistan.It is so sad that a thriving country that was one of

the first to attract foreign investment is dying. Do you feel the Pakistanis

have a choice? I some times watch Pakistani TV serial and the characters seem

to be good, normal people. However, on CNN I see blood thirsty, bearded men

burning the American and Israeli and Indian flags and calling for holy-war

against these three countries. -- Is this the reflection of Pakistani reality?

or the reality is what I see in Pakistani TV dramas?I just read about the

killing of 30 people and injuring of over 100 by Islamic terrorists in a temple

in Gujarat yesterday and this got me going.--What a savage attack--they machine

gunned the crowd worshipping in the temple and later lobbed Grenades to kill

the one who were alive.--I'm sure they were Pakistan based, will know in a

couple of days for sure.MDvedic astrology, Muhammad Imran

<astroimran> wrote:> > Dear Mumin and List,> > You have aksed about the

birth details of Presedent Pervez Musharraf. But there are more than one

opinion on his natal chart. The most reliable birth details are as follows

(suggested by Vedic Astrologer Dr.Aijaz Hussain Batt - Rawalpindi)> > August

11, 1943, 6:05 am New Delhi, Zone: 6:30 (India War Time) ; with

Lagan 15-6 Cancer and Scorpio navamsa.> > But few others take birth time 7:00

am with Cancer lagna and Aquarius navamsa and starts Mars dasa from mid

october. Fortunate last month I met with Mr.Ishaq Noor the personal Astrologer

of Pervez Musharraf (before his presedency), he claimed that popular birth date

of Pervez Musharraf was not realible, He said that Perved Musharraf has Scorpio

lagan, Cancer Moon, and Leo Mars, (this make August 1942).> > Since the general

election of Pakistan will be held on 10 October. So I am giving the birth chart

of some Pakistani politicians for interested astrologers.> > Nawaz Sharif: (fmr

Prime Minister): 24 August 1947 at 11:55 pm Lahore Zone: 5:30, with

lagna=1degree Virgo. > > Benazir Bhutto:(former PM and daughter of Zulfiqar Ali

Bhuto): 21 June 1953 Karachi at 7:43 pm, Zone: 4:30 with lagna=19-15

Sagittarius.> > Altaf Hussain(leader of MQM, 3rd lar gest Party): 17 September

1953, Karachi 2:50 pm with Sagittarius Lagna and Scorpio navamsa.> > Imran

Khan(former CricketCaptain & Politician): 5 October 1952 at 9:30 am Karachi

Zone:9:30 with Scorpio Lagan and Virgo Navamsa.> > If anyone can resuggest (or

already has) Pervez Musharraf's chart so please share.> > Regards> > M.mran>

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Hello Visti:

Sorry. This once more brings up the question about "collective

deaths." Did all the people who died in the Temple share a common

destiny? When god dealt them the hand in form of their horoscope from

the karmic deck, did they all have the same cards?

MD

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> --

------------

>

> Please no more fighting, i don't care who started it. The act in

Gujarat was so senseless, i can only be comforted by the fact that

the victims died under the roof of a temple.. Makes one wonder what

they did to die in a holy place, some sort of Punya is indicated at

the same time.

>

> Best wishes, Visti.

> -

> Muhammad Imran

> vedic astrology

> Tuesday, September 24, 2002 9:25 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Musharraf's and other

politicians' charts (M.Desai)

>

> Dear Mr.M.Deasi,

>

> Once you've told on this list that you always try to

perform "pure karma", in order to reduce the bad effects of planetary

position and get Moksha. But I have observed many times that you

often use strong language and your vision about Muslims and specially

Pakistani happens quite narrow. I dont know why you do so, instead of

learned and living in a cultural society. And what sort of good karma

you are doing by underestimating Muslims and throwing mud on

Pakistanis, and specially on this forum of vedic

discussion ! ! ! ! ! !

>

> Though I even don't like many politicians and extremist religous

groups in sub-continent, but it doesn't mean I starting calling names

on vedic astrology list. I asked to share the rectification of chart

and what did you do, think...

>

> God may reliev your pain and suffering.

>

> M.Imran

>

> monmuk111 wrote:

>

> Hello Imran:

>

> Do the Pakistani people have any control over all the terrorist

> activity that ISI is conducting in India. Pakistan backed

Islamic

> terrorist have killed over 30,000 people in Kashmir in last 8

years,

> most of them after Mussaraf came to power. Al Qaeda seems to

have

> permanent home in Norther Pakistan.

>

> Pakistain once had universities that turned out technology

graduates

> as good or better than India (In my opinion, India turns out

the best

> technology graduates in the world). Pakistan once had a

thriving

> economy, an open and accomodating culture--under Bhutto and

Zia. Now,

> Pakistan has turned into a culture of Klastnikov and religious

> extremism.

>

> Except for Zia, most of your politicians were big time thugs

and

> Mussaraf appears to be the biggest thug of all. Why can't the

> Pakistani public replac him, elect a democratic governemtn, get

rid

> of the Islamic extremeist and bring back the good ol' days and

focus

> on economic and cultural growth rather than become a breeding

ground

> for Islamic terrorists world wide.

>

> How do you feel about it? Almost every Al Qaeda operative who

is

> captured had lived in Pakistan at some time in his bloody

career of

> killing innocent people? Even the American Taliban, John

Walker,

> trained at terrorist camp in Pakistan (per his admission) and

fought

> against Indian militray before he went to the instituton of

higher

> learning (terrorism skill offcourse) in Afghanistan.

>

> It is so sad that a thriving country that was one of the first

to

> attract foreign investment is dying. Do you feel the Pakistanis

have

> a choice? I some times watch Pakistani TV serial and the

characters

> seem to be good, normal people. However, on CNN I see blood

thirsty,

> bearded men burning the American and Israeli and Indian flags

and

> calling for holy-war against these three countries. -- Is this

the

> reflection of Pakistani reality? or the reality is what I see

in

> Pakistani TV dramas?

>

> I just read about the killing of 30 people and injuring of over

100

> by Islamic terrorists in a temple in Gujarat yesterday and this

got

> me going.--What a savage attack--they machine gunned the crowd

> worshipping in the temple and later lobbed Grenades to kill the

one

> who were alive.--I'm sure they were Pakistan based, will know

in a

> couple of days for sure.

>

> MD

>

> vedic astrology, Muhammad Imran <astroimran>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mumin and List,

> >

> > You have aksed about the birth details of Presedent Pervez

> Musharraf. But there are more than one opinion on his natal

chart.

> The most reliable birth details are as follows (suggested by

Vedic

> Astrologer Dr.Aijaz Hussain Batt - Rawalpindi)

> >

> > August 11, 1943, 6:05 am New Delhi, Zone: 6:30 (India War

> Time) ; with Lagan 15-6 Cancer and Scorpio navamsa.

> >

> > But few others take birth time 7:00 am with Cancer lagna and

> Aquarius navamsa and starts Mars dasa from mid october.

Fortunate

> last month I met with Mr.Ishaq Noor the personal Astrologer of

Pervez

> Musharraf (before his presedency), he claimed that popular

birth date

> of Pervez Musharraf was not realible, He said that Perved

Musharraf has Scorpio lagan,

> Cancer Moon, and Leo Mars, (this make August 1942).

> >

> > Since the general election of Pakistan will be held on 10

October.

> So I am giving the birth chart of some Pakistani politicians

for

> interested astrologers.

> >

> > Nawaz Sharif: (fmr Prime Minister): 24 August 1947 at 11:55

pm

> Lahore Zone: 5:30, with lagna=1degree Virgo.

> >

> > Benazir Bhutto:(former PM and daughter of Zulfiqar Ali

Bhuto): 21

> June 1953 Karachi at 7:43 pm, Zone: 4:30 with lagna=19-15

Sagittarius.

> >

> > Altaf Hussain(leader of MQM, 3rd lar gest Party): 17

September 1953,

> Karachi 2:50 pm with Sagittarius Lagna and Scorpio navamsa.

> >

> > Imran Khan(former CricketCaptain & Politician): 5 October

1952 at

> 9:30 am Karachi Zone:9:30 with Scorpio Lagan and Virgo Navamsa.

> >

> > If anyone can resuggest (or already has) Pervez Musharraf's

chart

> so please share.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > M.mran

> >

>

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MD:I some times watch Pakistani TV serial and the characters seem to be good,

normal people. However, on CNN I see blood thirsty, bearded men burning the

American and Israeli and Indian flags and calling for holy-war against these

three countriesFact: Can a rally of a political(or religous) party represent

whole nation? can demonstration become the only source of knowing a

country?....where are those people who were raising voice against US in

Pakistan. Now no paper, no challen, no party is supporting Talibaan. Why? and

why Pakistani forces and police capturing Al-Qaeda activist with FBI and CIA.

why you are not seeing these shots on CNN or BBC.

Mr. Desai please remove hatred from your heart and think in a wider perspective.

Regards

M.Imran

monmuk111 wrote: Hello Imran:I didn't call any names. Comments on my posting

are statements of fact. Most of the facts included in my post come from

unbiased news channels like CNN and BBC, not from a "hindu" or an "Indian" news

channel.If you can't tolerate the reality and facts, don't describe it as

"name-calling" as it isn't.Ya, I agree this is a vedic astrology website and I

should keep my postings on the subject of astrology.MD--- In

vedic astrology, Muhammad Imran <astroimran> wrote:> > Dear

Mr.M.Deasi, > Once you've told on this list that you always try to perform

"pure karma", in order to reduce the bad effects of planetary position and get

Moksha. But I have observed many times that you often use strong language and

your vision about Muslims and specially Pakistani happens quite narrow. I dont

know why you do so, instead of learned and living in a cultural society. And

what sort of good karma you are doing by underestimating Muslims and throwing

mud on Pakistanis, and specially on this forum of vedic discussion ! ! ! ! ! !>

Though I even don't like many politicians and extremist religous groups in

sub-continent, but it doesn't mean I starting calling names on vedic astrology

list. I asked to share the rectification of chart and what did you do, think...

> God may reliev your pain and suffering. > M.Imran > monmuk111 wrote: Hello

Imran:> > Do the Pakistani people have any control over all the terrorist >

activity that ISI is conducting in India. Pakistan backed Islamic > terrorist

have killed over 30,000 people in Kashmir in last 8 years, > most of them after

Mussaraf came to power. Al Qaeda seems to have > permanent home in Norther

Pakistan. > > Pakistain once had universities that turned out technology

graduates > as good or better than India (In my opinion, India turns out the

best > technology graduates in the world). Pakistan once had a thriving >

economy, an open and accomodating culture--under Bhutto and Zia. Now, >

Pakistan has turned into a culture of Klastnikov and religious > extremism. > >

Except for Zia, most of your politicians were big time thugs and > Mussaraf

appears to be the biggest thug of all. Why can't the > Pakistani public replac

him, elect a democratic governemtn, get rid > of the Islamic extremeist and

bring back the good ol' days and focus > on economic and cultural growth rather

than become a breeding ground > for Islamic terrorists world wide.> > How do you

feel about it? Almost every Al Qaeda operative who is > captured had lived in

Pakistan at some time in his bloody career of > killing innocent people? Even

the American Taliban, John Walker, > trained at terrorist camp in Pakistan (per

his admission) and fought > against Indian militray before he went to the

instituton of higher > learning (terrorism skill offcourse) in Afghanistan.> >

It is so sad that a thriving country that was one of the first to > attract

foreign investment is dying. Do you feel the Pakistanis have > a choice? I some

times watch Pakistani TV serial and the characters > seem to be good, normal

people. However, on CNN I see blood thirsty, > bearded men burning the American

and Israeli and Indian flags and > calling for holy-war against these three

countries. -- Is this the > reflection of Pakistani reality? or the reality is

what I see in > Pakistani TV dramas?> > I just read about the killing of 30

people and injuring of over 100 > by Islamic terrorists in a temple in Gujarat

yesterday and this got > me going.--What a savage attack--they machine gunned

the crowd > worshipping in the temple and later lobbed Grenades to kill the one

> who were alive.--I'm sure they were Pakistan based, will know in a > couple of

days for sure.> > MD> > vedic astrology, Muhammad Imran

<astroimran> wrote:> > > > Dear Mumin and List,> > > > You have aksed

about the birth details of Presedent Pervez > Musharraf. But there are more

than one opinion on his natal chart. > The most reliable birth details are as

follows (suggested by Vedic > Astrologer Dr.Aijaz Hussain Batt - Rawalpindi)> >

> > August 11, 1943, 6:05 am New Delhi, Zone: 6:30 (India War > Time)

with Lagan 15-6 Cancer and Scorpio navamsa.> > > > But few others take birth

time 7:00 am with Cancer lagna and > Aquarius navamsa and starts Mars dasa from

mid october. Fortunate > last month I met with Mr.Ishaq Noor the personal

Astrologer of Pervez > Musharraf (before his presedency), he claimed that

popular birth date > of Pervez Musharraf was not realible, He said that Perved

Musharraf has Scorpio lagan, > Cancer Moon, and Leo Mars, (this make August

1942).> > > > Since the general election of Pakistan will be held on 10

October. > So I am giving the birth chart of some Pakistani politicians for >

interested astrologers.> > > > Nawaz Sharif: (fmr Prime Minister): 24 August

1947 at 11:55 pm > Lahore Zone: 5:30, with lagna=1degree Virgo. > > > > Benazir

Bhutto:(former PM and daughter of Zulfiqar Ali Bhuto): 21 > June 1953 Karachi at

7:43 pm, Zone: 4:30 with lagna=19-15 Sagittarius.> > > > Altaf Hussain(leader of

MQM, 3rd largest Party): 17 September 1953, > Karachi 2:50 pm with Sagittarius

Lagna and Scorpio navamsa.> > > > Imran Khan(former CricketCaptain &

Politician): 5 October 1952 at > 9:30 am Karachi Zone:9:30 with Scorpio Lagan

and Virgo Navamsa.> > > > If anyone can resuggest (or already has) Pervez

Musharraf's chart > so please share.> > > > Regards> > > > M.mran> > Do you

?

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Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah

Dear MD,

They died didn't they.

Why? God, and hopefully the Jyotisha, only knows.

Sometimes one does wonder how one can start classifying collective deaths, as

something special which is beyond that of the Birthchart.

Think of that one persons horoscope who may have attended the temple, and think

of this one soul. Death is an important event, and should show up in the chart.

Best wishes, Visti.

-

monmuk111

vedic astrology

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:13 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Musharraf's and other politicians' charts (M.Desai)

Hello Visti:Sorry. This once more brings up the question about "collective

deaths." Did all the people who died in the Temple share a common destiny? When

god dealt them the hand in form of their horoscope from the karmic deck, did

they all have the same cards?MDvedic astrology, "Visti Larsen"

<vishnu@l...> wrote:> Hare Rama Krishna> >

-->

> Please no more fighting, i don't care who started it. The act in Gujarat was

so senseless, i can only be comforted by the fact that the victims died under

the roof of a temple.. Makes one wonder what they did to die in a holy place,

some sort of Punya is indicated at the same time.> > Best wishes, Visti.>

- > Muhammad Imran > To:

vedic astrology > Tuesday, September 24, 2002 9:25 PM> Subject:

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Musharraf's and other politicians' charts (M.Desai)>

> > Dear Mr.M.Deasi, > > Once you've told on this list that you always try

to perform "pure karma", in order to reduce the bad effects of planetary

position and get Moksha. But I have observed many times that you often use

strong language and your vision about Muslims and specially Pakistani happens

quite narrow. I dont know why you do so, instead of learned and living in a

cultural society. And what sort of good karma you are doing by underestimating

Muslims and throwing mud on Pakistanis, and specially on this forum of vedic

discussion ! ! ! ! ! ! > > Though I even don't like many politicians and

extremist religous groups in sub-continent, but it doesn't mean I starting

calling names on vedic astrology list. I asked to share the rectification of

chart and what did you do, think... > > God may reliev your pain and

suffering. > > M.Imran > > monmuk111 wrote: > > Hello Imran:> > Do

the Pakistani people have any control over all the terrorist > activity that

ISI is conducting in India. Pakistan backed Islamic > terrorist have killed

over 30,000 people in Kashmir in last 8 years, > most of them after

Mussaraf came to power. Al Qaeda seems to have > permanent home in Norther

Pakistan. > > Pakistain once had universities that turned out technology

graduates > as good or better than India (In my opinion, India turns out

the best > technology graduates in the world). Pakistan once had a thriving

> economy, an open and accomodating culture--under Bhutto and Zia. Now, >

Pakistan has turned into a culture of Klastnikov and religious > extremism.

> > Except for Zia, most of your politicians were big time thugs and >

Mussaraf appears to be the biggest thug of all. Why can't the > Pakistani

public replac him, elect a democratic governemtn, get rid > of the Islamic

extremeist and bring back the good ol' days and focus > on economic and

cultural growth rather than become a breeding ground > for Islamic

terrorists world wide.> > How do you feel about it? Almost every Al Qaeda

operative who is > captured had lived in Pakistan at some time in his

bloody career of > killing innocent people? Even the American Taliban, John

Walker, > trained at terrorist camp in Pakistan (per his admission) and

fought > against Indian militray before he went to the instituton of higher

> learning (terrorism skill offcourse) in Afghanistan.> > It is so sad

that a thriving country that was one of the first to > attract foreign

investment is dying. Do you feel the Pakistanis have > a choice? I some

times watch Pakistani TV serial and the characters > seem to be good,

normal people. However, on CNN I see blood thirsty, > bearded men burning

the American and Israeli and Indian flags and > calling for holy-war

against these three countries. -- Is this the > reflection of Pakistani

reality? or the reality is what I see in > Pakistani TV dramas?> > I

just read about the killing of 30 people and injuring of over 100 > by

Islamic terrorists in a temple in Gujarat yesterday and this got > me

going.--What a savage attack--they machine gunned the crowd > worshipping

in the temple and later lobbed Grenades to kill the one > who were

alive.--I'm sure they were Pakistan based, will know in a > couple of days

for sure.> > MD> > vedic astrology, Muhammad Imran

<astroimran> wrote:> > > > Dear Mumin and List,> > > > You

have aksed about the birth details of Presedent Pervez > Musharraf. But

there are more than one opinion on his natal chart. > The most reliable

birth details are as follows (suggested by Vedic > Astrologer Dr.Aijaz

Hussain Batt - Rawalpindi)> > > > August 11, 1943, 6:05 am New Delhi,

Zone: 6:30 (India War > Time) ; with Lagan 15-6 Cancer and

Scorpio navamsa.> > > > But few others take birth time 7:00 am with

Cancer lagna and > Aquarius navamsa and starts Mars dasa from mid october.

Fortunate > last month I met with Mr.Ishaq Noor the personal Astrologer of

Pervez > Musharraf (before his presedency), he claimed that popular birth

date > of Pervez Musharraf was not realible, He said that Perved Musharraf

has Scorpio lagan, > Cancer Moon, and Leo Mars, (this make August 1942).>

> > > Since the general election of Pakistan will be held on 10 October. >

So I am giving the birth chart of some Pakistani politicians for >

interested astrologers.> > > > Nawaz Sharif: (fmr Prime Minister): 24

August 1947 at 11:55 pm > Lahore Zone: 5:30, with lagna=1degree Virgo. >

> > > Benazir Bhutto:(former PM and daughter of Zulfiqar Ali Bhuto): 21 >

June 1953 Karachi at 7:43 pm, Zone: 4:30 with lagna=19-15 Sagittarius.> >

> > Altaf Hussain(leader of MQM, 3rd lar gest Party): 17 September 1953, >

Karachi 2:50 pm with Sagittarius Lagna and Scorpio navamsa.> > > >

Imran Khan(former CricketCaptain & Politician): 5 October 1952 at > 9:30 am

Karachi Zone:9:30 with Scorpio Lagan and Virgo Navamsa.> > > > If anyone

can resuggest (or already has) Pervez Musharraf's chart > so please share.>

> > > Regards> > > > M.mran> > > > > > > >

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September 25, 2002

JAI GURUDEV.

Dear Visti,

Such mass deaths are attributable to the mundane astrology and as well as the

ruler of the territory.

People who succumb to death would be having indications of untimely/accidental

deaths. Remember their combinations are different and also

Dasa-Bhukti-Antara-Pratyantara......

Wishes and Regards,

Mohan Hegde.

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Visti Larsen

vedic astrology

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 2:20 AM