M. Desai's Upapda - Narasimha Ji

September 20, 2002

Hare Rama Krishna

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Narasimha ji,

I have doubt regarding UL and relationships. If even a relationship

is reflected by UL, then should I assume that the UL does not

necessarily reflect Dharma.Relationships in most cases could be a

result of just senses and may not have Dharma in focus and eventually

may not culminate in a Dharmic Marriage.So is it right to assume that

fasting on a specific UL day, merely aids only the sphere of

improving the mundane aspects of relationships or marriage. In this

regard, Iam a little confused about the choice of a fasting day and

its actual benefits.Kindly clarify.Thank you.

Hare Krishna

Sudharsan

vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> Dear Hari,

>

> > Upa-pada holds the key for marriage. your upa-pada falls in

> > capricorn, ruled by the great saturn himself. Fasting on

> > saturdays will make you GIVE more and hence you will find

> > more peace. This is what i have been taught.

>

> You were taught well. But all that is for the first marriage.

>

> For the second marriage see the 8th from UL. For the 3rd marriage,

> see the 3rd from UL (8th from 8th is 3rd). For the 4th marriage,

see

> the 10th from UL (8th from 3rd is 10th). And so on.

>

> Find out how many marriages the native had. Even serious

> relationships that lasted a while are to be considered as

marriages.

> Judge carefully and get feedback from the native. Then decide which

> upapada to use. Accordingly, choose the weekday for fasting and the

> lord to pray to.

>

> M. Desai, for example, is past atleast 2 upapadas (UL and 8th from

> it). Cp is his first upapada, Le is 2nd, Pi is 3rd, Li is 4th and

Ta

> is 5th. Find out which one has to be used now. It is certainly not

Cp.

>

> I hope it is clear.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

September 20, 2002

Dear Sudharsan,

Do you remember in Princeton, Gurdev gave the Vedic definition of marriage? A

couple living together for a full year.. marriage ceremony or not. Maybe

that's what Narasimhaji was referring to about some relationships. If there is

no ceremony or if not living together for one year then the relationship would

be seen from A7.. the physical/marital relations. But the UP and marriage

itself is supposed to be about dharma and giving.. hence fasting on day of UP

lord teaches you how to give and worshipping second from UP sustains the

marriage.

Gurus please correct me if need be

Best Wishes,

Karen

-

Sudharsan Srinivasan

vedic astrology

Friday, September 20, 2002 3:32 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: M. Desai's Upapda - Narasimha Ji

Hare Rama KrishnaJaya JagannathaDear Narasimha ji,I have doubt regarding UL and

relationships. If even a relationship is reflected by UL, then should I assume

that the UL does not necessarily reflect Dharma.Relationships in most cases

could be a result of just senses and may not have Dharma in focus and

eventually may not culminate in a Dharmic Marriage.So is it right to assume

that fasting on a specific UL day, merely aids only the sphere of improving the

mundane aspects of relationships or marriage. In this regard, Iam a little

confused about the choice of a fasting day and its actual benefits.Kindly

clarify.Thank you.Hare KrishnaSudharsanvedic astrology, "pvr108"

<pvr@c...> wrote:> Dear Hari,> > > Upa-pada holds the key for marriage. your

upa-pada falls in> > capricorn, ruled by the great saturn himself. Fasting on>

> saturdays will make you GIVE more and hence you will find> > more peace. This

is what i have been taught.> > You were taught well. But all that is for the

first marriage.> > For the second marriage see the 8th from UL. For the 3rd

marriage, > see the 3rd from UL (8th from 8th is 3rd). For the 4th marriage,

see > the 10th from UL (8th from 3rd is 10th). And so on.> > Find out how many

marriages the native had. Even serious > relationships that lasted a while are

to be considered as marriages. > Judge carefully and get feedback from the

native. Then decide which > upapada to use. Accordingly, choose the weekday for

fasting and the > lord to pray to.> > M. Desai, for example, is past atleast 2

upapadas (UL and 8th from > it). Cp is his first upapada, Le is 2nd, Pi is 3rd,

Li is 4th and Ta > is 5th. Find out which one has to be used now. It is

certainly not Cp.> > I hope it is clear.> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,>

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September 20, 2002

Hare Rama Krishna

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Karen,

Thanks,that makes a lot of sense but doubts still linger.Let me try

and rephrase my question.My understanding is as follows.The primary

Dharma in a marriage is to bring forth God Concious children.The

whole theme is to facilitate a suitable environment for the soul

(child) to complete its march toward God.Secondly, to facilitate the

service of God as man and wife.The consideration is that the home is

a temple, as deities are kept in the altar and the man and wife live

as servants in that house and serve the Lord.Some Acharyas in schools

who take Sanyasa directly after Brahmacharya view marriage as a

spiritual compromise, i.e, if we are unable to control the assault of

the senses , its better to get married and procreate under Dharmic

principles.The strict schools and many strict devotee(Hare Krishna's)

couples have physical union only for progeny, otherwise its not done.

In that context if suppose a chart has a defect in the UL,there are

obstacles in executing such Dharma.We then recommend fasting to

correct such defect. OTOH if UL were to represent even relationships

what is expected as a result of such Fasting? Are we attempting to

bring the person to fall in line with Dharma and get married or does

it mainly facilitate a better relationship i.e more giving.

In other words as a result of fasting does the Lord of the UL bring

about Dharma which could even mean ending the relationship if it is

not Dharmic.That is my doubt and hope I explained myself better.

Hare Krishna

Sudharsan

vedic astrology, Karen Skoler <nykaren@o...> wrote:

> Dear Sudharsan,

>

> Do you remember in Princeton, Gurdev gave the Vedic definition of

marriage? A couple living together for a full year.. marriage

ceremony or not. Maybe that's what Narasimhaji was referring to

about some relationships. If there is no ceremony or if not living

together for one year then the relationship would be seen from A7..

the physical/marital relations. But the UP and marriage itself is

supposed to be about dharma and giving.. hence fasting on day of UP

lord teaches you how to give and worshipping second from UP sustains

the marriage.

>

> Gurus please correct me if need be

> Best Wishes,

> Karen

> -

> Sudharsan Srinivasan

> vedic astrology

> Friday, September 20, 2002 3:32 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: M. Desai's Upapda - Narasimha Ji

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Narasimha ji,

>

> I have doubt regarding UL and relationships. If even a

relationship

> is reflected by UL, then should I assume that the UL does not

> necessarily reflect Dharma.Relationships in most cases could be a

> result of just senses and may not have Dharma in focus and

eventually

> may not culminate in a Dharmic Marriage.So is it right to assume

that

> fasting on a specific UL day, merely aids only the sphere of

> improving the mundane aspects of relationships or marriage. In

this

> regard, Iam a little confused about the choice of a fasting day

and

> its actual benefits.Kindly clarify.Thank you.

>

> Hare Krishna

>

> Sudharsan

>

> vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > Dear Hari,

> >

> > > Upa-pada holds the key for marriage. your upa-pada falls in

> > > capricorn, ruled by the great saturn himself. Fasting on

> > > saturdays will make you GIVE more and hence you will find

> > > more peace. This is what i have been taught.

> >

> > You were taught well. But all that is for the first marriage.

> >

> > For the second marriage see the 8th from UL. For the 3rd

marriage,

> > see the 3rd from UL (8th from 8th is 3rd). For the 4th

marriage,

> see

> > the 10th from UL (8th from 3rd is 10th). And so on.

> >

> > Find out how many marriages the native had. Even serious

> > relationships that lasted a while are to be considered as

> marriages.

> > Judge carefully and get feedback from the native. Then decide

which

> > upapada to use. Accordingly, choose the weekday for fasting and

the

> > lord to pray to.

> >

> > M. Desai, for example, is past atleast 2 upapadas (UL and 8th

from

> > it). Cp is his first upapada, Le is 2nd, Pi is 3rd, Li is 4th

and

> Ta

> > is 5th. Find out which one has to be used now. It is certainly

not

> Cp.

> >

> > I hope it is clear.

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

>

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September 21, 2002

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Karen,

You got it right. Make sure the 2nd from Upapada, is a deity of the opposite sex.

Best wishes, Visti.

-

Karen Skoler

vedic astrology

Saturday, September 21, 2002 1:10 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: M. Desai's Upapda - Narasimha Ji