Is atrology a science? Why isn't there a consistency in readings?

[Guest guest]

Gentlepeople:

 

Background:

 

I am having some serious problems in my life, especially my marital

life--two divorces, last one very nasty.

 

The problems begin with the begining on my Mars mahadasa and Mars is

well-placed in my horoscope. I had asked for help regarding this

matter and posed this question to some of the greatest astrologes--

"Why did my miseries began with the beginning of Mars mahadasa and

what blemish in my horoscope is causing problems with my spouse."

 

Responses:

 

Rohini Ranjan Bose (Great one, his interpretation of horoscope is the

greatest I've ever seen): He says, "your horoscope reflects that

you've hurt a young woman in this life or your prior life. To rectify

this problem, fast on Fridays and volunteer your time (not money) to

help young destitue women."

 

Narshimha (Great one): He says, "your mool-dasa of Rahu is the cause

of your problems, not your Mars mahadasa and Mars in not to blame. To

rectify this problem, feed Brahmins, donate cow to Brahmins, chant

the mantra of Atmakaraka."

 

Katti Narhari(Greatness in process): He says, "your mars is afflicted

in the upa-padas. To rectify, fast on Saturdays."

 

Siva (Greatness in process, he usually posts on the junior board): He

used bhava kundli and figured out that Mars in bhava was causing the

problems.

 

These are the astrologers who've attempted to help me out of the

kindness of their heart.

 

Now, here is one whom I've paid for consultation:

 

Don't want to use his name (One of the leading astrologers in India):

He says,"mar is not the problem, the antardasa of malefic planets

caused both divorces." To rectify, wear kavach of Mars, do pooja of

Shani.

 

It's one thing getting diverse reponse from illitrate idots wearing

orange colored clothes who have their astrology shops at every corner

in India; however, it is SHOCKING that "highly educated" ones noted

above don't seem to have a consistency in the reading.

 

Is it possible that the astrologers are trying to attribute problems

in someone's life to ANY blemish in the horoscope they can discover,

AFTER THE FACT?

 

Is is possible to make a prediction? Are they capable of making a

prediction? Is the horoscope a reflection of an individual's past,

present and future? Can some astrologer make predictions about my

past that are so true that I become a believer of his/her prediction

and guidance about my future?

 

I began learning astrology recently to understand astrologically what

was happening in my life. I've bought books by Earns Wilhelm, Ronnie

Dreyer, Narshima Rao, Sanja Rath and read almost every article by the

great ones like Rohini Ranjan Bose and Sanjay Rath. The point I'm

making is that I'm not a wolf in a sheep's hide attacking astrology

in the name of learning it. However, the deeper I go, the more

disillusioned I become.

 

As to using remedies like gem stones and Kavach, I just couldn't

understand how a gemstone can rectify a blemish in one's chart.

Planets except the Sun and Moon don't even have rays that could fall

on the gemstone to have any effec. And, how can a piece of metal with

some numbers engraved on it change my karma?

 

Mr. Rohini Ranjan Bose is the only one who has asked me to throw away

all the Kavach and the gemstones and try to influence my astrolocical

blemishes with karma (not just financial donation, but doing the

actual deeds). -- This makes sense.

 

In addition to the questions and doubts I've noted above, I have one

more question on "mantras." How can chanting mantras of a particular

planet or atmakarka influence the karmic reserves of an individual?

 

Hope the great one as well as the learners and the readers take my

concerns seriously and respond. My birth data is June 14, 1967, 5.30

pm, Bombay, India.

 

PS: I'm not attacking Vedic astrology or astrologers, these are my

genuine doubts.

 

M.Desai

[Guest guest]

I do not want to comment on the other issues raised by you since I am

very young to this science.

However, I would like to comment as a physicist and engineer that

although only sun and moon actually have rays reaching us (actually

only the sun's rays as moon only reflects), there is a enormous force

called gravity which planets like Jupiter have in abundance, and this

is the force I believe that can influence the fields

(electromagnetic...like all of life's forces) around us and those

created by metals or gems on our bodies.

Learned gurus pls correct me if I am on wrong track.

Viraj

 

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:

> Gentlepeople:

>

> Background:

>

> I am having some serious problems in my life, especially my marital

> life--two divorces, last one very nasty.

>

> The problems begin with the begining on my Mars mahadasa and Mars

is

> well-placed in my horoscope. I had asked for help regarding this

> matter and posed this question to some of the greatest astrologes--

> "Why did my miseries began with the beginning of Mars mahadasa and

> what blemish in my horoscope is causing problems with my spouse."

>

> Responses:

>

> Rohini Ranjan Bose (Great one, his interpretation of horoscope is

the

> greatest I've ever seen): He says, "your horoscope reflects that

> you've hurt a young woman in this life or your prior life. To

rectify

> this problem, fast on Fridays and volunteer your time (not money)

to

> help young destitue women."

>

> Narshimha (Great one): He says, "your mool-dasa of Rahu is the

cause

> of your problems, not your Mars mahadasa and Mars in not to blame.

To

> rectify this problem, feed Brahmins, donate cow to Brahmins, chant

> the mantra of Atmakaraka."

>

> Katti Narhari(Greatness in process): He says, "your mars is

afflicted

> in the upa-padas. To rectify, fast on Saturdays."

>

> Siva (Greatness in process, he usually posts on the junior board):

He

> used bhava kundli and figured out that Mars in bhava was causing

the

> problems.

>

> These are the astrologers who've attempted to help me out of the

> kindness of their heart.

>

> Now, here is one whom I've paid for consultation:

>

> Don't want to use his name (One of the leading astrologers in

India):

> He says,"mar is not the problem, the antardasa of malefic planets

> caused both divorces." To rectify, wear kavach of Mars, do pooja of

> Shani.

>

> It's one thing getting diverse reponse from illitrate idots wearing

> orange colored clothes who have their astrology shops at every

corner

> in India; however, it is SHOCKING that "highly educated" ones noted

> above don't seem to have a consistency in the reading.

>

> Is it possible that the astrologers are trying to attribute

problems

> in someone's life to ANY blemish in the horoscope they can

discover,

> AFTER THE FACT?

>

> Is is possible to make a prediction? Are they capable of making a

> prediction? Is the horoscope a reflection of an individual's past,

> present and future? Can some astrologer make predictions about my

> past that are so true that I become a believer of his/her

prediction

> and guidance about my future?

>

> I began learning astrology recently to understand astrologically

what

> was happening in my life. I've bought books by Earns Wilhelm,

Ronnie

> Dreyer, Narshima Rao, Sanja Rath and read almost every article by

the

> great ones like Rohini Ranjan Bose and Sanjay Rath. The point I'm

> making is that I'm not a wolf in a sheep's hide attacking astrology

> in the name of learning it. However, the deeper I go, the more

> disillusioned I become.

>

> As to using remedies like gem stones and Kavach, I just couldn't

> understand how a gemstone can rectify a blemish in one's chart.

> Planets except the Sun and Moon don't even have rays that could

fall

> on the gemstone to have any effec. And, how can a piece of metal

with

> some numbers engraved on it change my karma?

>

> Mr. Rohini Ranjan Bose is the only one who has asked me to throw

away

> all the Kavach and the gemstones and try to influence my

astrolocical

> blemishes with karma (not just financial donation, but doing the

> actual deeds). -- This makes sense.

>

> In addition to the questions and doubts I've noted above, I have

one

> more question on "mantras." How can chanting mantras of a

particular

> planet or atmakarka influence the karmic reserves of an individual?

>

> Hope the great one as well as the learners and the readers take my

> concerns seriously and respond. My birth data is June 14, 1967,

5.30

> pm, Bombay, India.

>

> PS: I'm not attacking Vedic astrology or astrologers, these are my

> genuine doubts.

>

> M.Desai

[Guest guest]

Viraj:

 

I did think about the gravitational fields when I was writing my

original mail, but dropped it as the mail was getting too long.

 

Viraj, I too have an engineering background. The gravitational pull

of Jupiter is enormous but the pull is beyond the bounds of Earth.

 

Earth is revolving around the Sun due to SUN's gravitational pull

like a sling shot.

 

Ya, Jupiter's gravity is indeed helping Earth as it does suck in the

cosmic debris and comets that are rushing towards Earth and hence

sheild the Earth from bombardment of large comets. But, most

definitely, none of the planets exert its influence on the Earth

except the Sun and the moon (not a planet, it's a satellite of the

Earth).

 

If any of the planetary gravitational forces were to reach Earth, the

Earth would be pushed into a chaos. There would be hurricanes,

Tsunamis and earthquakes of gigantic proportions on Earth.

 

Viraj, I posed my question after careful consideration and thought

and the reason I got thinking about it is becuase Mr. Ranjan, Mr.

Rath, Narshima are highly educated for a fact and are astrological

masters for a fact and their predictions/readings about the same

topic doesn't bear any resemblence or consistency to each other.

 

PS: I was discussing with my friend who is doing her Phd. at

University of California at Berekely and we calculated that she had

read at least 5,000 books since beginning school and I had read over

3,000 books in my lifetime. The point I'm making is that my questions

and concerns are not out of blind ignorance or prejudice against

astrology, but a well-thought process.

 

M. Desai

 

 

vedic astrology, "virajpat" <virajpat> wrote:

> I do not want to comment on the other issues raised by you since I

am

> very young to this science.

> However, I would like to comment as a physicist and engineer that

> although only sun and moon actually have rays reaching us (actually

> only the sun's rays as moon only reflects), there is a enormous

force

> called gravity which planets like Jupiter have in abundance, and

this

> is the force I believe that can influence the fields

> (electromagnetic...like all of life's forces) around us and those

> created by metals or gems on our bodies.

> Learned gurus pls correct me if I am on wrong track.

> Viraj

>

> vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:

> > Gentlepeople:

> >

> > Background:

> >

> > I am having some serious problems in my life, especially my

marital

> > life--two divorces, last one very nasty.

> >

> > The problems begin with the begining on my Mars mahadasa and Mars

> is

> > well-placed in my horoscope. I had asked for help regarding this

> > matter and posed this question to some of the greatest astrologes-

-

> > "Why did my miseries began with the beginning of Mars mahadasa

and

> > what blemish in my horoscope is causing problems with my spouse."

> >

> > Responses:

> >

> > Rohini Ranjan Bose (Great one, his interpretation of horoscope is

> the

> > greatest I've ever seen): He says, "your horoscope reflects that

> > you've hurt a young woman in this life or your prior life. To

> rectify

> > this problem, fast on Fridays and volunteer your time (not money)

> to

> > help young destitue women."

> >

> > Narshimha (Great one): He says, "your mool-dasa of Rahu is the

> cause

> > of your problems, not your Mars mahadasa and Mars in not to

blame.

> To

> > rectify this problem, feed Brahmins, donate cow to Brahmins,

chant

> > the mantra of Atmakaraka."

> >

> > Katti Narhari(Greatness in process): He says, "your mars is

> afflicted

> > in the upa-padas. To rectify, fast on Saturdays."

> >

> > Siva (Greatness in process, he usually posts on the junior

board):

> He

> > used bhava kundli and figured out that Mars in bhava was causing

> the

> > problems.

> >

> > These are the astrologers who've attempted to help me out of the

> > kindness of their heart.

> >

> > Now, here is one whom I've paid for consultation:

> >

> > Don't want to use his name (One of the leading astrologers in

> India):

> > He says,"mar is not the problem, the antardasa of malefic planets

> > caused both divorces." To rectify, wear kavach of Mars, do pooja

of

> > Shani.

> >

> > It's one thing getting diverse reponse from illitrate idots

wearing

> > orange colored clothes who have their astrology shops at every

> corner

> > in India; however, it is SHOCKING that "highly educated" ones

noted

> > above don't seem to have a consistency in the reading.

> >

> > Is it possible that the astrologers are trying to attribute

> problems

> > in someone's life to ANY blemish in the horoscope they can

> discover,

> > AFTER THE FACT?

> >

> > Is is possible to make a prediction? Are they capable of making a

> > prediction? Is the horoscope a reflection of an individual's

past,

> > present and future? Can some astrologer make predictions about

my

> > past that are so true that I become a believer of his/her

> prediction

> > and guidance about my future?

> >

> > I began learning astrology recently to understand astrologically

> what

> > was happening in my life. I've bought books by Earns Wilhelm,

> Ronnie

> > Dreyer, Narshima Rao, Sanja Rath and read almost every article by

> the

> > great ones like Rohini Ranjan Bose and Sanjay Rath. The point

I'm

> > making is that I'm not a wolf in a sheep's hide attacking

astrology

> > in the name of learning it. However, the deeper I go, the more

> > disillusioned I become.

> >

> > As to using remedies like gem stones and Kavach, I just couldn't

> > understand how a gemstone can rectify a blemish in one's chart.

> > Planets except the Sun and Moon don't even have rays that could

> fall

> > on the gemstone to have any effec. And, how can a piece of metal

> with

> > some numbers engraved on it change my karma?

> >

> > Mr. Rohini Ranjan Bose is the only one who has asked me to throw

> away

> > all the Kavach and the gemstones and try to influence my

> astrolocical

> > blemishes with karma (not just financial donation, but doing the

> > actual deeds). -- This makes sense.

> >

> > In addition to the questions and doubts I've noted above, I have

> one

> > more question on "mantras." How can chanting mantras of a

> particular

> > planet or atmakarka influence the karmic reserves of an

individual?

> >

> > Hope the great one as well as the learners and the readers take

my

> > concerns seriously and respond. My birth data is June 14, 1967,

> 5.30

> > pm, Bombay, India.

> >

> > PS: I'm not attacking Vedic astrology or astrologers, these are

my

> > genuine doubts.

> >

> > M.Desai

[Guest guest]

I have heard this explanation before, but it is contradictory to

logic.

 

We experirnce the highest gravity & electromagnetic field from

earth. The gravitational force exerted on us by all other planets is

very very negligible due to the distance.

 

Our birth location and time is a divine indicator of our past karma.

planetary positions are indicators of our karma.

 

Just my humble opinion.

-Siva.

 

 

vedic astrology, "virajpat" <virajpat> wrote:

> I do not want to comment on the other issues raised by you since I

am

> very young to this science.

> However, I would like to comment as a physicist and engineer that

> although only sun and moon actually have rays reaching us

(actually

> only the sun's rays as moon only reflects), there is a enormous

force

> called gravity which planets like Jupiter have in abundance, and

this

> is the force I believe that can influence the fields

> (electromagnetic...like all of life's forces) around us and those

> created by metals or gems on our bodies.

> Learned gurus pls correct me if I am on wrong track.

> Viraj

>

> vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:

> > Gentlepeople:

> >

> > Background:

> >

> > I am having some serious problems in my life, especially my

marital

> > life--two divorces, last one very nasty.

> >

> > The problems begin with the begining on my Mars mahadasa and

Mars

> is

> > well-placed in my horoscope. I had asked for help regarding this

> > matter and posed this question to some of the greatest

astrologes--

> > "Why did my miseries began with the beginning of Mars mahadasa

and

> > what blemish in my horoscope is causing problems with my spouse."

> >

> > Responses:

> >

> > Rohini Ranjan Bose (Great one, his interpretation of horoscope

is

> the

> > greatest I've ever seen): He says, "your horoscope reflects that

> > you've hurt a young woman in this life or your prior life. To

> rectify

> > this problem, fast on Fridays and volunteer your time (not

money)

> to

> > help young destitue women."

> >

> > Narshimha (Great one): He says, "your mool-dasa of Rahu is the

> cause

> > of your problems, not your Mars mahadasa and Mars in not to

blame.

> To

> > rectify this problem, feed Brahmins, donate cow to Brahmins,

chant

> > the mantra of Atmakaraka."

> >

> > Katti Narhari(Greatness in process): He says, "your mars is

> afflicted

> > in the upa-padas. To rectify, fast on Saturdays."

> >

> > Siva (Greatness in process, he usually posts on the junior

board):

> He

> > used bhava kundli and figured out that Mars in bhava was causing

> the

> > problems.

> >

> > These are the astrologers who've attempted to help me out of the

> > kindness of their heart.

> >

> > Now, here is one whom I've paid for consultation:

> >

> > Don't want to use his name (One of the leading astrologers in

> India):

> > He says,"mar is not the problem, the antardasa of malefic

planets

> > caused both divorces." To rectify, wear kavach of Mars, do pooja

of

> > Shani.

> >

> > It's one thing getting diverse reponse from illitrate idots

wearing

> > orange colored clothes who have their astrology shops at every

> corner

> > in India; however, it is SHOCKING that "highly educated" ones

noted

> > above don't seem to have a consistency in the reading.

> >

> > Is it possible that the astrologers are trying to attribute

> problems

> > in someone's life to ANY blemish in the horoscope they can

> discover,

> > AFTER THE FACT?

> >

> > Is is possible to make a prediction? Are they capable of making

a

> > prediction? Is the horoscope a reflection of an individual's

past,

> > present and future? Can some astrologer make predictions about

my

> > past that are so true that I become a believer of his/her

> prediction

> > and guidance about my future?

> >

> > I began learning astrology recently to understand astrologically

> what

> > was happening in my life. I've bought books by Earns Wilhelm,

> Ronnie

> > Dreyer, Narshima Rao, Sanja Rath and read almost every article

by

> the

> > great ones like Rohini Ranjan Bose and Sanjay Rath. The point

I'm

> > making is that I'm not a wolf in a sheep's hide attacking

astrology

> > in the name of learning it. However, the deeper I go, the more

> > disillusioned I become.

> >

> > As to using remedies like gem stones and Kavach, I just couldn't

> > understand how a gemstone can rectify a blemish in one's chart.

> > Planets except the Sun and Moon don't even have rays that could

> fall

> > on the gemstone to have any effec. And, how can a piece of metal

> with

> > some numbers engraved on it change my karma?

> >

> > Mr. Rohini Ranjan Bose is the only one who has asked me to throw

> away

> > all the Kavach and the gemstones and try to influence my

> astrolocical

> > blemishes with karma (not just financial donation, but doing the

> > actual deeds). -- This makes sense.

> >

> > In addition to the questions and doubts I've noted above, I have

> one

> > more question on "mantras." How can chanting mantras of a

> particular

> > planet or atmakarka influence the karmic reserves of an

individual?

> >

> > Hope the great one as well as the learners and the readers take

my

> > concerns seriously and respond. My birth data is June 14, 1967,

> 5.30

> > pm, Bombay, India.

> >

> > PS: I'm not attacking Vedic astrology or astrologers, these are

my

> > genuine doubts.

> >

> > M.Desai

[Guest guest]

To add to my previous observation,

One may argue that outer planets may exert some other

rays/force/influence that are not yet identified by the scientific

world. However, that argument doesnt hold water since, physical

impact of planets on all people on earth at one location at one

instant of time will be the same.

 

Is astrology a science as in the true sense of the english

word 'science'? I guess not. Astrology is a divine knowledge that

gives us indications as to probablistic effects of our past karma

and/or present karma (prasna). Astrology is mostly supported via

emphirical evidence using justifiably large and random data sets.

Even in that case, there are many issues not explained in astrology

or contrary to astrological issues (which are sometimes explained

using present good/bad karma in this birth).

 

Even nadi predictions on palm leaves (available in places like

Vaitheeswaran Koil), which are believed to be written by Maharishis

themselves are not 100% accurate.

 

There are too many unknows and inherent contradictions in astrolgoy

and I believe to be good in astrology one requires some divine

blessing or power of intuition in addition to knowledge and

application of the principles stated in classics.

 

-Siva.

 

vedic astrology, "virajpat" <virajpat> wrote:

> I do not want to comment on the other issues raised by you since I

am

> very young to this science.

> However, I would like to comment as a physicist and engineer that

> although only sun and moon actually have rays reaching us

(actually

> only the sun's rays as moon only reflects), there is a enormous

force

> called gravity which planets like Jupiter have in abundance, and

this

> is the force I believe that can influence the fields

> (electromagnetic...like all of life's forces) around us and those

> created by metals or gems on our bodies.

> Learned gurus pls correct me if I am on wrong track.

> Viraj

>

> vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:

> > Gentlepeople:

> >

> > Background:

> >

> > I am having some serious problems in my life, especially my

marital

> > life--two divorces, last one very nasty.

> >

> > The problems begin with the begining on my Mars mahadasa and

Mars

> is

> > well-placed in my horoscope. I had asked for help regarding this

> > matter and posed this question to some of the greatest

astrologes--

> > "Why did my miseries began with the beginning of Mars mahadasa

and

> > what blemish in my horoscope is causing problems with my spouse."

> >

> > Responses:

> >

> > Rohini Ranjan Bose (Great one, his interpretation of horoscope

is

> the

> > greatest I've ever seen): He says, "your horoscope reflects that

> > you've hurt a young woman in this life or your prior life. To

> rectify

> > this problem, fast on Fridays and volunteer your time (not

money)

> to

> > help young destitue women."

> >

> > Narshimha (Great one): He says, "your mool-dasa of Rahu is the

> cause

> > of your problems, not your Mars mahadasa and Mars in not to

blame.

> To

> > rectify this problem, feed Brahmins, donate cow to Brahmins,

chant

> > the mantra of Atmakaraka."

> >

> > Katti Narhari(Greatness in process): He says, "your mars is

> afflicted

> > in the upa-padas. To rectify, fast on Saturdays."

> >

> > Siva (Greatness in process, he usually posts on the junior

board):

> He

> > used bhava kundli and figured out that Mars in bhava was causing

> the

> > problems.

> >

> > These are the astrologers who've attempted to help me out of the

> > kindness of their heart.

> >

> > Now, here is one whom I've paid for consultation:

> >

> > Don't want to use his name (One of the leading astrologers in

> India):

> > He says,"mar is not the problem, the antardasa of malefic

planets

> > caused both divorces." To rectify, wear kavach of Mars, do pooja

of

> > Shani.

> >

> > It's one thing getting diverse reponse from illitrate idots

wearing

> > orange colored clothes who have their astrology shops at every

> corner

> > in India; however, it is SHOCKING that "highly educated" ones

noted

> > above don't seem to have a consistency in the reading.

> >

> > Is it possible that the astrologers are trying to attribute

> problems

> > in someone's life to ANY blemish in the horoscope they can

> discover,

> > AFTER THE FACT?

> >

> > Is is possible to make a prediction? Are they capable of making

a

> > prediction? Is the horoscope a reflection of an individual's

past,

> > present and future? Can some astrologer make predictions about

my

> > past that are so true that I become a believer of his/her

> prediction

> > and guidance about my future?

> >

> > I began learning astrology recently to understand astrologically

> what

> > was happening in my life. I've bought books by Earns Wilhelm,

> Ronnie

> > Dreyer, Narshima Rao, Sanja Rath and read almost every article

by

> the

> > great ones like Rohini Ranjan Bose and Sanjay Rath. The point

I'm

> > making is that I'm not a wolf in a sheep's hide attacking

astrology

> > in the name of learning it. However, the deeper I go, the more

> > disillusioned I become.

> >

> > As to using remedies like gem stones and Kavach, I just couldn't

> > understand how a gemstone can rectify a blemish in one's chart.

> > Planets except the Sun and Moon don't even have rays that could

> fall

> > on the gemstone to have any effec. And, how can a piece of metal

> with

> > some numbers engraved on it change my karma?

> >

> > Mr. Rohini Ranjan Bose is the only one who has asked me to throw

> away

> > all the Kavach and the gemstones and try to influence my

> astrolocical

> > blemishes with karma (not just financial donation, but doing the

> > actual deeds). -- This makes sense.

> >

> > In addition to the questions and doubts I've noted above, I have

> one

> > more question on "mantras." How can chanting mantras of a

> particular

> > planet or atmakarka influence the karmic reserves of an

individual?

> >

> > Hope the great one as well as the learners and the readers take

my

> > concerns seriously and respond. My birth data is June 14, 1967,

> 5.30

> > pm, Bombay, India.

> >

> > PS: I'm not attacking Vedic astrology or astrologers, these are

my

> > genuine doubts.

> >

> > M.Desai

[Guest guest]

Dearest Siva:

 

I agree that astrology is a divine knowledge that

gives us indications about the effects of karma.

 

However, the issue I raised was--why are different

astrologers coming up with different indications while

reading the same chart? Shouldn't they be seeing a

common denominator in the chart? Why is their reading

so diverse and inconsistent?

 

They are in fact masters of Vedic astrology and BPHS

is the foundation that all of them have studied. I'm

keeping away from modification of Vedic astrology like

like the "Systems Approach" as then I'd be comparing

apples with oranges as Dr. Choudhry noted. But, all

the astrologers I mentioned including yourself

practise the traditional form of Vedic astrology;

henece, there has to be a consistency.

 

It appears that the astrologers are manipulating their

readings to fit the events that have occurred already

in a person's life. And, because they're manipulating

it, there is no consistency. Had astrology been a

science based on vedic postulates, the readings would

be consistent, don't you agree?

 

Thanks for replying.

 

M.Desai

 

--- schinnas <schinnas wrote:

> To add to my previous observation,

> One may argue that outer planets may exert some

> other

> rays/force/influence that are not yet identified by

> the scientific

> world. However, that argument doesnt hold water

> since, physical

> impact of planets on all people on earth at one

> location at one

> instant of time will be the same.

>

> Is astrology a science as in the true sense of

> the english

> word 'science'? I guess not. Astrology is a divine

> knowledge that

> gives us indications as to probablistic effects of

> our past karma

> and/or present karma (prasna). Astrology is mostly

> supported via

> emphirical evidence using justifiably large and

> random data sets.

> Even in that case, there are many issues not

> explained in astrology

> or contrary to astrological issues (which are

> sometimes explained

> using present good/bad karma in this birth).

>

> Even nadi predictions on palm leaves (available

> in places like

> Vaitheeswaran Koil), which are believed to be

> written by Maharishis

> themselves are not 100% accurate.

>

> There are too many unknows and inherent

> contradictions in astrolgoy

> and I believe to be good in astrology one requires

> some divine

> blessing or power of intuition in addition to

> knowledge and

> application of the principles stated in classics.

>

> -Siva.

>

> vedic astrology, "virajpat"

> <virajpat> wrote:

> > I do not want to comment on the other issues

> raised by you since I

> am

> > very young to this science.

> > However, I would like to comment as a physicist

> and engineer that

> > although only sun and moon actually have rays

> reaching us

> (actually

> > only the sun's rays as moon only reflects), there

> is a enormous

> force

> > called gravity which planets like Jupiter have in

> abundance, and

> this

> > is the force I believe that can influence the

> fields

> > (electromagnetic...like all of life's forces)

> around us and those

> > created by metals or gems on our bodies.

> > Learned gurus pls correct me if I am on wrong

> track.

> > Viraj

> >

> > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> <monmuk111> wrote:

> > > Gentlepeople:

> > >

> > > Background:

> > >

> > > I am having some serious problems in my life,

> especially my

> marital

> > > life--two divorces, last one very nasty.

> > >

> > > The problems begin with the begining on my Mars

> mahadasa and

> Mars

> > is

> > > well-placed in my horoscope. I had asked for

> help regarding this

> > > matter and posed this question to some of the

> greatest

> astrologes--

> > > "Why did my miseries began with the beginning of

> Mars mahadasa

> and

> > > what blemish in my horoscope is causing problems

> with my spouse."

> > >

> > > Responses:

> > >

> > > Rohini Ranjan Bose (Great one, his

> interpretation of horoscope

> is

> > the

> > > greatest I've ever seen): He says, "your

> horoscope reflects that

> > > you've hurt a young woman in this life or your

> prior life. To

> > rectify

> > > this problem, fast on Fridays and volunteer your

> time (not

> money)

> > to

> > > help young destitue women."

> > >

> > > Narshimha (Great one): He says, "your mool-dasa

> of Rahu is the

> > cause

> > > of your problems, not your Mars mahadasa and

> Mars in not to

> blame.

> > To

> > > rectify this problem, feed Brahmins, donate cow

> to Brahmins,

> chant

> > > the mantra of Atmakaraka."

> > >

> > > Katti Narhari(Greatness in process): He says,

> "your mars is

> > afflicted

> > > in the upa-padas. To rectify, fast on

> Saturdays."

> > >

> > > Siva (Greatness in process, he usually posts on

> the junior

> board):

> > He

> > > used bhava kundli and figured out that Mars in

> bhava was causing

> > the

> > > problems.

> > >

> > > These are the astrologers who've attempted to

> help me out of the

> > > kindness of their heart.

> > >

> > > Now, here is one whom I've paid for

> consultation:

> > >

> > > Don't want to use his name (One of the leading

> astrologers in

> > India):

> > > He says,"mar is not the problem, the antardasa

> of malefic

> planets

> > > caused both divorces." To rectify, wear kavach

> of Mars, do pooja

> of

> > > Shani.

> > >

> > > It's one thing getting diverse reponse from

> illitrate idots

> wearing

> > > orange colored clothes who have their astrology

> shops at every

> > corner

> > > in India; however, it is SHOCKING that "highly

> educated" ones

> noted

> > > above don't seem to have a consistency in the

> reading.

> > >

> > > Is it possible that the astrologers are trying

> to attribute

> > problems

> > > in someone's life to ANY blemish in the

> horoscope they can

> > discover,

> > > AFTER THE FACT?

> > >

> > > Is is possible to make a prediction? Are they

> capable of making

> a

> > > prediction? Is the horoscope a reflection of an

> individual's

> past,

> > > present and future? Can some astrologer make

> predictions about

> my

> > > past that are so true that I become a believer

> of his/her

> > prediction

> > > and guidance about my future?

> > >

> > > I began learning astrology recently to

> understand astrologically

> > what

> > > was happening in my life. I've bought books by

> Earns Wilhelm,

> > Ronnie

> > > Dreyer, Narshima Rao, Sanja Rath and read almost

> every article

> by

> > the

>

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