An amazing challenge to Astrology - Jay

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Dear Jay,

 

Roll the clock back 5 years ago. 4 cosmonauts have completed the

first year of living aboard the orbiting Mir station, and are

scheduled to be there continuously for the next 3-odd years, doing

virtually everything except produce the youngest cosmonaut. One of

the blokes decides to call an astrologer on earth for a yearly

gochara forecast. What do you do? Just to make this naughtier, if

Mir had been stationed *on* the Moon, how would your answer be?

 

This twin thing isn't any more difficult than that. Imho, I think

Sanjay's initial answer was nice and satisfactory.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli

 

 

vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote:

> Dear Muruli,

>

> My comments in RED below:

>

> Dear Mr. Jay Weiss

>

> Let me try to answer with my little knowledge.

>

> Atma / soul is nothing to do with the number of organs one has.

If a person does not have a hand, eye etc., it does not mean that

his/her soul is not complete.

>

> ***** When I wrote ORGANS I meant those I mentioned i.e. those

you can not live without. You can not live without a heart or brain -

that is beyond any discussion which in turn means that Atma/soul

HAS something to do with those "parts". So here I disagree with you.

>

> Secondly and more important point is that it is not a twin

birth. It is still an individual with physical deformity. We can

analyse the horoscope keeping this in mind. NOT AS A TWIN BIRTH.

>

> ***** This is exactly what I was asking: what is it than ? - it

will be very difficult (if not imposible) to find an acceptable

explanation. Not only astrological but also medical.

>

> Kind regards

> Jay Weiss

>

>

> Regards

> Muruli

>

>

> Jay Weiss [jayhw@t...]

> Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:50 AM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re:] An amazing challange to

Astrology - for Sanjay

>

>

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> With all respect, what is it than ?

> It is beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are two different

personalities with two different heads, brains and hearts, simply

physically bound to each other.

> As each one of them is able to take the others medicine, I

assume that one can say that they support each other medically and

made it so far up to their 11th birthday.

>

> A single chart will not reflect the mental disposition (as

they are different) nor will it reflect all medical issues that have

to do with their separated internal organs. As an interesting point

one may elevate the fact that they have only one lever. I may also

refer to some beliefs that the souls place is the heart. A dead-end

in my opinion.

>

> I may be wrong here but I have a feeling that such cases are

beyond anything astrology, or anyone else can explain.

>

> One of Gods and natures mysteries which is beyond us. Please

correct me if I am wrong.

>

> Kind regards

> Jay Weiss

>

> -

> Sanjay Rath

> vedic astrology

> Monday, September 16, 2002 11:28 PM

> RE: [vedic astrology] An amazing challange to

Astrology - Sanjay, Narasimha & other gurus

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaya

> Dear Jay,

> That birth is not a twin, the Hridaya padma may look

physically separated, but then it is not so. Normally the longevity

will not be good.

> With best wishes

> Sanjay Rath

> http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

>

> Jay Weiss [jayhw@t...]

> Monday, September 16, 2002 1:27 AM

> sjvc; vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] An amazing challange to

Astrology - Sanjay, Narasimha & other gurus

>

>

> Dear Gurus and members,

>

> I was just watching on TV one of the most amazing issues in

human life, which in turn creates a huge challenge to astrology as a

whole.

> We have discussed twins before - many times over - BUT NEVER

SOMETHING LIKE THAT ONE.

>

> For saving space here, I suggest that you take a look at

> this site that has the entire story with some photos:

> http://members.tripod.com/~midnightwill/twins.html

> and try to come up with an explanation on how this (and

similar) case can be tackled astrologically and karmically.

>

> Abigail and Brittany Hensel are conjoined twin - products of

a single egg that for some unknown reason failed to divide fully

into identical twins. ... They have one body conjoined in the lower

spinal cord, which contains two individual heads, two harts, two

lungs BUT only one urinary system, one pair of hands and one pair of

legs, which seem to function in full cooperation and harmony (also

during sport games).

> The are grown up young girls and no doubt there are two

souls here.

>

> They are born in a cesarean (one body) - which means EXACTLY

AT THE SAME TIME - SAME PLACE!

>

> Kind regards

>

> Jay Weiss

>

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Dear Ramapriya,

 

I appreciate your mail, as much as Sanjay's reply.

However I am not convinced yet and as an open minded individual trying

to identify other opinions in similar cases.

 

Kind regards

 

Jay

 

 

 

 

> Dear Jay,

>

> Roll the clock back 5 years ago. 4 cosmonauts have completed the

> first year of living aboard the orbiting Mir station, and are

> scheduled to be there continuously for the next 3-odd years, doing

> virtually everything except produce the youngest cosmonaut. One of

> the blokes decides to call an astrologer on earth for a yearly

> gochara forecast. What do you do? Just to make this naughtier, if

> Mir had been stationed *on* the Moon, how would your answer be?

>

> This twin thing isn't any more difficult than that. Imho, I think

> Sanjay's initial answer was nice and satisfactory.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Ramapriya

> hubli

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote:

> > Dear Muruli,

> >

> > My comments in RED below:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Jay Weiss

> >

> > Let me try to answer with my little knowledge.

> >

> > Atma / soul is nothing to do with the number of organs one has.

> If a person does not have a hand, eye etc., it does not mean that

> his/her soul is not complete.

> >

> > ***** When I wrote ORGANS I meant those I mentioned i.e. those

> you can not live without. You can not live without a heart or brain -

> that is beyond any discussion which in turn means that Atma/soul

> HAS something to do with those "parts". So here I disagree with you.

> >

> > Secondly and more important point is that it is not a twin

> birth. It is still an individual with physical deformity. We can

> analyse the horoscope keeping this in mind. NOT AS A TWIN BIRTH.

> >

> > ***** This is exactly what I was asking: what is it than ? - it

> will be very difficult (if not imposible) to find an acceptable

> explanation. Not only astrological but also medical.

> >

> > Kind regards

> > Jay Weiss

> >

> >

> > Regards

> > Muruli

> >

> >

> > Jay Weiss [jayhw@t...]

> > Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:50 AM

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Re:] An amazing challange to

> Astrology - for Sanjay

> >

> >

> > Dear Sanjay,

> >

> > With all respect, what is it than ?

> > It is beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are two different

> personalities with two different heads, brains and hearts, simply

> physically bound to each other.

> > As each one of them is able to take the others medicine, I

> assume that one can say that they support each other medically and

> made it so far up to their 11th birthday.

> >

> > A single chart will not reflect the mental disposition (as

> they are different) nor will it reflect all medical issues that have

> to do with their separated internal organs. As an interesting point

> one may elevate the fact that they have only one lever. I may also

> refer to some beliefs that the souls place is the heart. A dead-end

> in my opinion.

> >

> > I may be wrong here but I have a feeling that such cases are

> beyond anything astrology, or anyone else can explain.

> >

> > One of Gods and natures mysteries which is beyond us. Please

> correct me if I am wrong.

> >

> > Kind regards

> > Jay Weiss

> >

> > -

> > Sanjay Rath

> > vedic astrology

> > Monday, September 16, 2002 11:28 PM

> > RE: [vedic astrology] An amazing challange to

> Astrology - Sanjay, Narasimha & other gurus

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaya

> > Dear Jay,

> > That birth is not a twin, the Hridaya padma may look

> physically separated, but then it is not so. Normally the longevity

> will not be good.

> > With best wishes

> > Sanjay Rath

> > http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

> >

> > Jay Weiss [jayhw@t...]

> > Monday, September 16, 2002 1:27 AM

> > sjvc; vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] An amazing challange to

> Astrology - Sanjay, Narasimha & other gurus

> >

> >

> > Dear Gurus and members,

> >

> > I was just watching on TV one of the most amazing issues in

> human life, which in turn creates a huge challenge to astrology as a

> whole.

> > We have discussed twins before - many times over - BUT NEVER

> SOMETHING LIKE THAT ONE.

> >

> > For saving space here, I suggest that you take a look at

> > this site that has the entire story with some photos:

> > http://members.tripod.com/~midnightwill/twins.html

> > and try to come up with an explanation on how this (and

> similar) case can be tackled astrologically and karmically.

> >

> > Abigail and Brittany Hensel are conjoined twin - products of

> a single egg that for some unknown reason failed to divide fully

> into identical twins. ... They have one body conjoined in the lower

> spinal cord, which contains two individual heads, two harts, two

> lungs BUT only one urinary system, one pair of hands and one pair of

> legs, which seem to function in full cooperation and harmony (also

> during sport games).

> > The are grown up young girls and no doubt there are two

> souls here.

> >

> > They are born in a cesarean (one body) - which means EXACTLY

> AT THE SAME TIME - SAME PLACE!

> >

> > Kind regards

> >

> > Jay Weiss

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Group info: vedic-

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> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

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Jay Weiss