correction about gujaratis

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Hello Rampriya:

 

I'm a gujarati, your notes on gujaratis and marwaris is very true.

One correction--marwaris are from Rajesthan and Gujaratis are from

Gujarat--they speak the same language and have the same customs so it

is difficult to tell them apart except for their sizes. The ones with

the biggest bellies are marwaris.

 

One more thing--Rajesthan is completely arid and only some parts of

north Gujarat are arid; however, south Gujarat is like California--

ample rain, ample water, ample everything.

 

I had one marwari friend and the males in his family had the biggest

bellies in town, actually i wondered how they were able to walk. And

you're correct, they seem to have the highest consumption of butter

and non-animal fat.

 

BUT, NOONE CAN BEAT THE PUNJABIS WHEN IT COMES TO EATING FAT AND SIZE

OF THE BELLY. Most people in punjab are bigger even bigger than the

European whom I find to quite big.

 

MD

 

 

vedic astrology, "ramapriya_d" <ramapriya_d> wrote:

> Dear Imran,

>

> Thanks for a nice post, especially the clarification about bathing.

> You could've made the point better by stating that the Prophet's

> advice of "at least once a week" was because in the deserts of the

> Middle East, water was scarce. He didn't state that this advice

> shouldn't be modified to suit local conditions.

>

> Why just Islam, in any walk of life, misinterpretations are the

> easiest way of defeating the original intention. I've my own little

> doubts about whether Sun, the giver and sustainer of life on earth,

> should be considered a malefic, despite scriptures terming him the

> epitome of dharma. BPHS says Sun is a krura planet. Krura to me

> means fierce, but it apparently means malefic to a lot more

> knowledgeable people, and he's considered so.

>

> I've heard a majority of Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu citizens

> consider amavasya especially auspicious whereas it's right the

> opposite for the rest. Which then is true?

>

> This principle of adaptation should, imho, be for every walk of

life

> too. Marwaris and Gujratis are a part of India where the lands are

> largely very arid, with little or no water. Traditionally, their

> diet is very high on fat because in the days of yore, that's what

> gave them the energy to walk long distances to collect water. All

> the physical labor involved more than compensated for the fat. Over

> time, a vast majority of Gujratis and Marwaris have moved down

south

> and settled in Karnataka (among other places), where thankfully,

> water or arable lands aren't too scarce, and their business acumen

> has allowed them to really thrive economically. But what about

their

> diet? They continue to eat the same wholesome ghee-rich stuff, and

> have been singularly responsible for the increased door widths and

> furniture reinforcements hereabouts :-)

>

> Imran, tell me when you've the inclination, and we'll discuss why

> exactly astrology is considered a haram by Islam [surah Al-An'am

> Verse 59, Surah An-Naml Verse 65, Surah Al-A'raf Verse 188, 44: 38-

> 39 and 2:164], or whether again these are misinterpretations. We

> could also explore whether the mere statement in the Quran, that

> it's permissible for a girl who's reached puberty to be married, is

> a license to trade young girls in their teens to wealthy Arabs

> coming here for a fling and dump. Or indeed what in the Bible

> advocates child molestation, seeing the number of paedophilia cases

> occurring in Christian missionaries in India recently.

>

> My personal belief is that NO religion can or does preach any of

> these diabolical things. But I can't say the same of the great

> interpreters of the same faith.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Ramapriya

> hubli@v...

>

> vedic astrology, Muhammad Imran <astroimran> wrote:

> >

> > Dear MD,

> >

> > Narasimha and Sanjay Rath were already laid a nice illustration

> about the concept of Ishta Devata, and their views are indeed

> comprehensive. Many thanks for a tolerable note, but one argument I

> should raised here is that if you quote any Quranic verse or Hadith

> (sayings of Muhammad), try to get correct translation. In your last

> mail you reffered a Hadith(sayings of Prophet Muhammad) with a

> slight misleading transalation about the bathing on Friday. There

is

> not a single command says take bath only on Friday (in entire

> literature of Sharia called four sources: Quran, Hadith, Ijmah,

> Ijtehad). Islam encourages to be clean, take bath, take Wudu

> (washing face, hands and feet five times a day), use perfumes and

> clean clothes, apart from a teaching of exercise, meditation and

> obligation of fast.The original Hadith insisting friday bath is

like

> that;

> >

> > The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:"When anyone

> of you comes to Jum'ah (Friday Prayer), he should take a bath"

> source: Sahih Muslim-1396.

> >

> > The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "It is the

> right of Allah upon every Muslim that he should take a bath at

least

> on one day (Friday) during the seven days of the week and he should

> wash his head and body". source: Sahih Muslim-1402

> >

> > Similarly wearing new or cleanest clothes, use perfumes, meeting,

> gathering and wedding are encouraged on Friday.

> >

> > It might be possible this clearification pretends to be diverting

> from vedic discussion.

> >

> > Regards.

> >

> > M.Imran

> >

> > monmuk111 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Imran:

> >

> > I think a lot of people, especially PVR, already answered the

> > questions you raise.

> >

> > I once again re-iterate that literal tranlation of scriptures

from

> > ANY religion can only result in misery and can also reslut in a

> few

> > opportunistic thugs exploiting the masses with such literal

> > translation. Let me give examples from the 4 major religions of

> the

> > world where literal translation from holy books have created

> misery

> > and inequities and outright sins:

> >

> > 1) Lord Jesus said "spread the word of god." We all know he

wanted

> > the people in his time to be pious and righteious. However, today

> we

> > have these missionaries who go to all the imporverished countries

> in

> > the world and convert people using finaincial rewards. In a way,

> > these people are destroying someone else's indegenious religion

> and

> > faith which itself is a sin.

> > 2) The Jewish god Issaiah or David or Moses whoever the Jews

> worship

> > said about Israel that "this it the holy land, you are the chosen

> > people, come to Israel and prosper." We can tell that the Jewish

> god

> > was asking the Jews displaced by the Roman atrocities to come

back

> to

> > Israel and live as Jews. Today, we see that 2 million people from

> > Russia who have no connection to Judaism came to Israel in the

> last

> > 10 years, claimed to be Jew and displaced the Plastenians and

> > continue to do so (there are schools going on in Russia teaching

> the

> > atheist or christin Russians Hebrew so that they can claim to be

> Jews

> > and migrate to Israel).--This once more is an example of literal

> > translation of the scriptures that just results in inequity and

> > misery for a lot of innocent people.

> > 3) Prophet Mohammed said "bathe on Fridays only," he also

> said "there

> > is no god but allah," he also said "idol worshippers should be

> > slain." We can tell that the Prophet was trying to conserve water

> in

> > the desert by telling people to bathe only on Fridays, but today

> in

> > water-rich countries like India and Pakistan, A LOT of muslim

> still

> > bathe once a week. Also, the Prophet was trying to unite the

> various

> > Arab and Nomadic tribes in the desert who were worshipping a

> variety

> > of religions and fighting each other based on reiligious

> diffrences

> > so the Prophet said--there is no god but Allah and idolaters

> should

> > be killed. The Arab invaders took this literally and destroyed

> EVERY

> > temple in India (except the remote ones).--Well, here is another

> > example of literal translation of scripture turning evil.

> > 4) The Hindu people have a lot of faith in astrology and whenever

> I

> > go to India, I see astrologers and holy men just scaring people

> with

> > this dosha and that dosha and this evil and that evil, ultimately

> > cheating the believers. -- This once more is a problem of literal

> > translation of the Hindu astrology scriptures.

> >

> > Mr. Imran: I feel that we should walk away from the literal

> > translation of Ista-Devta which says that this is the god that

> will

> > lead one to moksha. I'd rather say that the Ista-Devta is one's

> > personal diety whose worship and devotion (via karma) brings

> > happiness and righeousness to the individual.--and you can have a

> > personal diety or angel or prophet in any religion.

> >

> > I'm not a guru and this is not an interpretation of any

scriptures

> > but is just my opinion.

> >

> > Hope this helps answer the additional questions you've raised.

> >

> > M Desai

> >

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