(to MD) clearification about correctness of Hadith

[Guest guest]

Dear MD,

Narasimha and Sanjay Rath were already laid a nice illustration about the

concept of Ishta Devata, and their views are indeed comprehensive. Many thanks

for a tolerable note, but one argument I should raised here is that if you

quote any Quranic verse or Hadith(sayings of Muhammad), try to get correct

translation. In your last mail you reffered a Hadith(sayings of Prophet

Muhammad) with a slight misleading transalation about the bathing on Friday.

There is not a single command says take bath only on Friday (in entire

literature of Sharia called four sources: Quran, Hadith, Ijmah, Ijtehad). Islam

encourages to be clean, take bath, take Wudu (washing face, hands and feet five

times a day), use perfumes and clean clothes, apart from a teaching of

exercise, meditation and obligation of fast.The original Hadith insisting

friday bath is like that;

The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:"When anyone of you comes to

Jum'ah (Friday Prayer), he should take a bath" source: Sahih Muslim-1396.

The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "It is the right of Allah

upon every Muslim that he should take a bath at least on one day (Friday)

during the seven days of the week and he should wash his head and body".

source: Sahih Muslim-1402

Similarly wearing new or cleanest clothes, use perfumes, meeting, gathering and

wedding are encouraged on Friday.

It might be possible this clearification pretends to be diverting from vedic discussion.

Regards.

M.Imran

monmuk111 wrote:

Dear Mr. Imran:I think a lot of people, especially PVR, already answered the

questions you raise.I once again re-iterate that literal tranlation of

scriptures from ANY religion can only result in misery and can also reslut in a

few opportunistic thugs exploiting the masses with such literal translation. Let

me give examples from the 4 major religions of the world where literal

translation from holy books have created misery and inequities and outright

sins:1) Lord Jesus said "spread the word of god." We all know he wanted the

people in his time to be pious and righteious. However, today we have these

missionaries who go to all the imporverished countries in the world and convert

people using finaincial rewards. In a way, these people are destroying someone

else's indegenious religion and faith which itself is a sin.2) The Jewish god

Issaiah or David or Moses whoever the Jews worship said about Israel that "this

it the holy land, you are the chosen people, come to Israel and prosper." We can

tell that the Jewish god was asking the Jews displaced by the Roman atrocities

to come back to Israel and live as Jews. Today, we see that 2 million people

from Russia who have no connection to Judaism came to Israel in the last 10

years, claimed to be Jew and displaced the Plastenians and continue to do so

(there are schools going on in Russia teaching the atheist or christin Russians

Hebrew so that they can claim to be Jews and migrate to Israel).--This once more

is an example of literal translation of the scriptures that just results in

inequity and misery for a lot of innocent people.3) Prophet Mohammed said

"bathe on Fridays only," he also said "there is no god but allah," he also said

"idol worshippers should be slain." We can tell that the Prophet was trying to

conserve water in the desert by telling people to bathe only on Fridays, but

today in water-rich countries like India and Pakistan, A LOT of muslim still

bathe once a week. Also, the Prophet was trying to unite the various Arab and

Nomadic tribes in the desert who were worshipping a variety of religions and

fighting each other based on reiligious diffrences so the Prophet said--there

is no god but Allah and idolaters should be killed. The Arab invaders took this

literally and destroyed EVERY temple in India (except the remote ones).--Well,

here is another example of literal translation of scripture turning evil.4) The

Hindu people have a lot of faith in astrology and whenever I go to India, I see

astrologers and holy men just scaring people with this dosha and that dosha and

this evil and that evil, ultimately cheating the believers. -- This once more is

a problem of literal translation of the Hindu astrology scriptures.Mr. Imran: I

feel that we should walk away from the literal translation of Ista-Devta which

says that this is the god that will lead one to moksha. I'd rather say that the

Ista-Devta is one's personal diety whose worship and devotion (via karma) brings

happiness and righeousness to the individual.--and you can have a personal diety

or angel or prophet in any religion. I'm not a guru and this is not an

interpretation of any scriptures but is just my opinion.Hope this helps answer

the additional questions you've raised.M Desai

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[Guest guest]

Dear Imran,

 

Thanks for a nice post, especially the clarification about bathing.

You could've made the point better by stating that the Prophet's

advice of "at least once a week" was because in the deserts of the

Middle East, water was scarce. He didn't state that this advice

shouldn't be modified to suit local conditions.

 

Why just Islam, in any walk of life, misinterpretations are the

easiest way of defeating the original intention. I've my own little

doubts about whether Sun, the giver and sustainer of life on earth,

should be considered a malefic, despite scriptures terming him the

epitome of dharma. BPHS says Sun is a krura planet. Krura to me

means fierce, but it apparently means malefic to a lot more

knowledgeable people, and he's considered so.

 

I've heard a majority of Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu citizens

consider amavasya especially auspicious whereas it's right the

opposite for the rest. Which then is true?

 

This principle of adaptation should, imho, be for every walk of life

too. Marwaris and Gujratis are a part of India where the lands are

largely very arid, with little or no water. Traditionally, their

diet is very high on fat because in the days of yore, that's what

gave them the energy to walk long distances to collect water. All

the physical labor involved more than compensated for the fat. Over

time, a vast majority of Gujratis and Marwaris have moved down south

and settled in Karnataka (among other places), where thankfully,

water or arable lands aren't too scarce, and their business acumen

has allowed them to really thrive economically. But what about their

diet? They continue to eat the same wholesome ghee-rich stuff, and

have been singularly responsible for the increased door widths and

furniture reinforcements hereabouts :-)

 

Imran, tell me when you've the inclination, and we'll discuss why

exactly astrology is considered a haram by Islam [surah Al-An'am

Verse 59, Surah An-Naml Verse 65, Surah Al-A'raf Verse 188, 44: 38-

39 and 2:164], or whether again these are misinterpretations. We

could also explore whether the mere statement in the Quran, that

it's permissible for a girl who's reached puberty to be married, is

a license to trade young girls in their teens to wealthy Arabs

coming here for a fling and dump. Or indeed what in the Bible

advocates child molestation, seeing the number of paedophilia cases

occurring in Christian missionaries in India recently.

 

My personal belief is that NO religion can or does preach any of

these diabolical things. But I can't say the same of the great

interpreters of the same faith.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli

 

vedic astrology, Muhammad Imran <astroimran> wrote:

>

> Dear MD,

>

> Narasimha and Sanjay Rath were already laid a nice illustration

about the concept of Ishta Devata, and their views are indeed

comprehensive. Many thanks for a tolerable note, but one argument I

should raised here is that if you quote any Quranic verse or Hadith

(sayings of Muhammad), try to get correct translation. In your last

mail you reffered a Hadith(sayings of Prophet Muhammad) with a

slight misleading transalation about the bathing on Friday. There is

not a single command says take bath only on Friday (in entire

literature of Sharia called four sources: Quran, Hadith, Ijmah,

Ijtehad). Islam encourages to be clean, take bath, take Wudu

(washing face, hands and feet five times a day), use perfumes and

clean clothes, apart from a teaching of exercise, meditation and

obligation of fast.The original Hadith insisting friday bath is like

that;

>

> The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:"When anyone

of you comes to Jum'ah (Friday Prayer), he should take a bath"

source: Sahih Muslim-1396.

>

> The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "It is the

right of Allah upon every Muslim that he should take a bath at least

on one day (Friday) during the seven days of the week and he should

wash his head and body". source: Sahih Muslim-1402

>

> Similarly wearing new or cleanest clothes, use perfumes, meeting,

gathering and wedding are encouraged on Friday.

>

> It might be possible this clearification pretends to be diverting

from vedic discussion.

>

> Regards.

>

> M.Imran

>

> monmuk111 wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Imran:

>

> I think a lot of people, especially PVR, already answered the

> questions you raise.

>

> I once again re-iterate that literal tranlation of scriptures from

> ANY religion can only result in misery and can also reslut in a

few

> opportunistic thugs exploiting the masses with such literal

> translation. Let me give examples from the 4 major religions of

the

> world where literal translation from holy books have created

misery

> and inequities and outright sins:

>

> 1) Lord Jesus said "spread the word of god." We all know he wanted

> the people in his time to be pious and righteious. However, today

we

> have these missionaries who go to all the imporverished countries

in

> the world and convert people using finaincial rewards. In a way,

> these people are destroying someone else's indegenious religion

and

> faith which itself is a sin.

> 2) The Jewish god Issaiah or David or Moses whoever the Jews

worship

> said about Israel that "this it the holy land, you are the chosen

> people, come to Israel and prosper." We can tell that the Jewish

god

> was asking the Jews displaced by the Roman atrocities to come back

to

> Israel and live as Jews. Today, we see that 2 million people from

> Russia who have no connection to Judaism came to Israel in the

last

> 10 years, claimed to be Jew and displaced the Plastenians and

> continue to do so (there are schools going on in Russia teaching

the

> atheist or christin Russians Hebrew so that they can claim to be

Jews

> and migrate to Israel).--This once more is an example of literal

> translation of the scriptures that just results in inequity and

> misery for a lot of innocent people.

> 3) Prophet Mohammed said "bathe on Fridays only," he also

said "there

> is no god but allah," he also said "idol worshippers should be

> slain." We can tell that the Prophet was trying to conserve water

in

> the desert by telling people to bathe only on Fridays, but today

in

> water-rich countries like India and Pakistan, A LOT of muslim

still

> bathe once a week. Also, the Prophet was trying to unite the

various

> Arab and Nomadic tribes in the desert who were worshipping a

variety

> of religions and fighting each other based on reiligious

diffrences

> so the Prophet said--there is no god but Allah and idolaters

should

> be killed. The Arab invaders took this literally and destroyed

EVERY

> temple in India (except the remote ones).--Well, here is another

> example of literal translation of scripture turning evil.

> 4) The Hindu people have a lot of faith in astrology and whenever

I

> go to India, I see astrologers and holy men just scaring people

with

> this dosha and that dosha and this evil and that evil, ultimately

> cheating the believers. -- This once more is a problem of literal

> translation of the Hindu astrology scriptures.

>

> Mr. Imran: I feel that we should walk away from the literal

> translation of Ista-Devta which says that this is the god that

will

> lead one to moksha. I'd rather say that the Ista-Devta is one's

> personal diety whose worship and devotion (via karma) brings

> happiness and righeousness to the individual.--and you can have a

> personal diety or angel or prophet in any religion.

>

> I'm not a guru and this is not an interpretation of any scriptures

> but is just my opinion.

>

> Hope this helps answer the additional questions you've raised.

>

> M Desai

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> News - Today's headlines

[Guest guest]

Hello Imran:

 

Thank you for the correction. The reason I quoted "bathe on friday"

is becasue I had asked some muslims I used to play cricket with as to

why would they only bathe on Fridays and they unequivocally quoted it

to be the command of Prophet Mohammed.

 

And you're right, they all did wear clean clothes on Fridays before

Jumma, but rest of the week didn't bathe.--maybe they were an

exception and Muslims in Pakistan behave differently. In any case, my

apologies if I offended you. Let's now end this discussion as it

doesn't pertain to Vedic astrology or the Vedas.

 

MD

 

vedic astrology, Muhammad Imran <astroimran> wrote:

>

> Dear MD,

>

> Narasimha and Sanjay Rath were already laid a nice illustration

about the concept of Ishta Devata, and their views are indeed

comprehensive. Many thanks for a tolerable note, but one argument I

should raised here is that if you quote any Quranic verse or Hadith

(sayings of Muhammad), try to get correct translation. In your last

mail you reffered a Hadith(sayings of Prophet Muhammad) with a slight

misleading transalation about the bathing on Friday. There is not a

single command says take bath only on Friday (in entire literature of

Sharia called four sources: Quran, Hadith, Ijmah, Ijtehad). Islam

encourages to be clean, take bath, take Wudu (washing face, hands and

feet five times a day), use perfumes and clean clothes, apart from a

teaching of exercise, meditation and obligation of fast.The original

Hadith insisting friday bath is like that;

>

> The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:"When anyone of

you comes to Jum'ah (Friday Prayer), he should take a bath" source:

Sahih Muslim-1396.

>

> The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "It is the

right of Allah upon every Muslim that he should take a bath at least

on one day (Friday) during the seven days of the week and he should

wash his head and body". source: Sahih Muslim-1402

>

> Similarly wearing new or cleanest clothes, use perfumes, meeting,

gathering and wedding are encouraged on Friday.

>

> It might be possible this clearification pretends to be diverting

from vedic discussion.

>

> Regards.

>

> M.Imran

>

> monmuk111 wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Imran:

>

> I think a lot of people, especially PVR, already answered the

> questions you raise.

>

> I once again re-iterate that literal tranlation of scriptures from

> ANY religion can only result in misery and can also reslut in a few

> opportunistic thugs exploiting the masses with such literal

> translation. Let me give examples from the 4 major religions of the

> world where literal translation from holy books have created misery

> and inequities and outright sins:

>

> 1) Lord Jesus said "spread the word of god." We all know he wanted

> the people in his time to be pious and righteious. However, today

we

> have these missionaries who go to all the imporverished countries

in

> the world and convert people using finaincial rewards. In a way,

> these people are destroying someone else's indegenious religion and

> faith which itself is a sin.

> 2) The Jewish god Issaiah or David or Moses whoever the Jews

worship

> said about Israel that "this it the holy land, you are the chosen

> people, come to Israel and prosper." We can tell that the Jewish

god

> was asking the Jews displaced by the Roman atrocities to come back

to

> Israel and live as Jews. Today, we see that 2 million people from

> Russia who have no connection to Judaism came to Israel in the last

> 10 years, claimed to be Jew and displaced the Plastenians and

> continue to do so (there are schools going on in Russia teaching

the

> atheist or christin Russians Hebrew so that they can claim to be

Jews

> and migrate to Israel).--This once more is an example of literal

> translation of the scriptures that just results in inequity and

> misery for a lot of innocent people.

> 3) Prophet Mohammed said "bathe on Fridays only," he also

said "there

> is no god but allah," he also said "idol worshippers should be

> slain." We can tell that the Prophet was trying to conserve water

in

> the desert by telling people to bathe only on Fridays, but today in

> water-rich countries like India and Pakistan, A LOT of muslim still

> bathe once a week. Also, the Prophet was trying to unite the

various

> Arab and Nomadic tribes in the desert who were worshipping a

variety

> of religions and fighting each other based on reiligious diffrences

> so the Prophet said--there is no god but Allah and idolaters should

> be killed. The Arab invaders took this literally and destroyed

EVERY

> temple in India (except the remote ones).--Well, here is another

> example of literal translation of scripture turning evil.

> 4) The Hindu people have a lot of faith in astrology and whenever I

> go to India, I see astrologers and holy men just scaring people

with

> this dosha and that dosha and this evil and that evil, ultimately

> cheating the believers. -- This once more is a problem of literal

> translation of the Hindu astrology scriptures.

>

> Mr. Imran: I feel that we should walk away from the literal

> translation of Ista-Devta which says that this is the god that will

> lead one to moksha. I'd rather say that the Ista-Devta is one's

> personal diety whose worship and devotion (via karma) brings

> happiness and righeousness to the individual.--and you can have a

> personal diety or angel or prophet in any religion.

>

> I'm not a guru and this is not an interpretation of any scriptures

> but is just my opinion.

>

> Hope this helps answer the additional questions you've raised.

>

> M Desai

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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