Ista Devta and Monotheist-Clearification required?

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Actually, Slavery(in multiple senses), Poverty, and Ignorance are the real

Rakhshas of this Kali-Yug, and a Ravan like behaviour is unavoidable to get

real Moksha. Regards, M.Iman

monmuk111 wrote: Hi Visti:You're making this very confusing for me. I thought

we are born to pay for prior-life sins and the soul doesn't have any CHOICE

over it--if you live a good life, you attain moksha and become one with god, if

you live a bad life, god kicks you back to earth to suffer for your sins.Now,

you say that the Soul has a choice. If Soul has a choice, than is Soul

consious? I though Soul and consciousness are two different things.Let me

explain what I'm trying to say with an example. I love Scotch whiskey, and my

soul want to ACHIEVE the enjoyment of more whiskey, does my soul have a CHOICE

to be re-born just so that I can enjoy more whiskey? Thanks.MD--- In

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:> Vyam Vyaasadevaaya

Namah> >

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> Dear MD,> When you were blasted into existance, you were so, due to a strong

desire on your souls part. The soul wanted to achieve something, and this is

part of the reason for everyones rebirth(apart from the need to atone sins).>

This achievement is personal and sometimes involves very harsh lessons where we

have to learn some truths, which will help us advance and move towards God.> >

The worshp of the Istha Devata helps us atone for these things easier, and

gives us all the answers to our rebirth. Naturally ones actions will be colored

by this worship, and hence you are in a way right about our actions being more

important.. Yet i find realisation/enlightenment more important.> > Actually

the Istha Devata is Maha Vishnu, but only rarely are people able to

see/understand this clearly.. Personal deity? Yes indeed. This worship leads to

Moksha eventually, by helping us understand the lessons we are put through in

life.> > Best wishes, Visti.> - >

monmuk111 > vedic astrology > Friday, September 13, 2002

11:45 PM> [vedic astrology] Re: Ista Devta and Atheist - Gurus

please do respond> > > Vas:> > After reading your mail, this I feel is your

central question--"why > emphasis on Ista-Devta to achieve Moksha and is

worship of Ista-Devta > the shortest way to moksha?"> > My answer to you is

not an interpretation of Hindu scripture, but my > personal opinion.> >

Firstly, I feel that Ista-Devta is just your PERSONAL GOD. Worship of >

Ista-Devta neither shortens nor extends the "time needed" for moksha. > I

feel that if I were to worship my Ista-Devata, I'd expereience most > joy,

peace and serenity.> > Secondly, I feel there is no "emphasis" on Ista-Devta.

I'm a Hindu > and I heard the concept of Ista-Devta just a few days back on

this > board. When I go to my parents' home in India, I see all kinds of >

gods being worshipped, not just the Ista-Devta.> > Thridly, the act of

worship is a misnomer--standing in front of god, > putting two hands together

and praying is not worship. Your true > worship is your karma (your deeds).

You could be a multi-millioner > and you could be donating millions for

building of temples, but if > your Karma (deeds) are horrible, you're

definitely going to be re-> born.> > I feel when Visti and Hari and Sanjay

are calculating the Ista-Devta, > they're calculating someone's personal

god/diety and nothing more, > nothing less.> > I'm too young to fully

understand all these concepts, I'm hoping a > learned guru participates in

this discussion.> > MD> >

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hi muhammad

 

u know everyone is taking it other way .

just now in my previous mail,iwrote about

possibilities of ishta devtas in sikhism &

christianity.

the term 'ishta devta' is confusing u . see, hinduism

also says there is only one god(advaita mat), but we

have this flexibility to worship him in the form we

like. we may worship in nirakar or sakar form ...in

sakar also , he has various forms .

those who have read gita well, must b knowing about

krishna's pledge " jo mujhe jis roop mein bhajata

hain, mein use usi roop mein darshan deta hoon."

u know sikhs also believe in word 'ram' this word is

used 3600 times in guru granth sahib. but they they

don't believe in "lord raam" . they believe ram is

nirakar.

in islam there were khwajas & chishtis/pirs. ishta

devta may show ur ustad(spiritual) / pir/ murshid.

see, i believe in satguru, whom i consider ss my ishta

devta.

people say there is no punarjanam theory in islam .

but kashmiri sufis believed in reincarnation.

i again repeat logic cannot b sufficient for

'underatanding ' god. a bit of faith & devotoin is

essentail

prashant

--- Muhammad Imran <astroimran wrote:

>

> Dear, Visti, Vas, MD and others,

> The on-going discussion about "Ishta Devata" is off

> course confusing and beyond ken at least for those

> born in non-hindu families, as this veiw was also

> alluded by one confrere. I could not understand the

> concept of Ishta Devta till now, due many arises

> queries in my mind. In a prior mail, Visti hold that

> Ishta-Devata is the Maha Vishnu, but very few people

> find it clear as personal deity. I didn't hear the

> concept of Ishta-Devata in this form in hinduism.

> May I know who firstly highlighted this notion? I

> mean either this theory is already a part of

> Hinduism or latter(in near past) some Guru/Sage

> built this philosophy.

> As all know, deity worship is forbidden among

> montheist believes, like Christianity, and Islam

> etc. So how their believers can get Ishta-Devata and

> 'in which form'. If said deity/god is helpful in

> liberation of soul then those (a great majority of

> world population from its existance) who donot know

> their this so called god, can easily not find

> emancipation. If you say by performing selfless

> deeds (Karama), and doing service to humanity, then

> it is already the part of more or less every

> religion. Could any reformer or scholar harmonise or

> equate the diversed system of believes so far? If

> for a time being we admit that those who worship

> Ishta-Devata surely get Moksha, then is not mean our

> last/final Janm happens as Hindu? and this reveales

> the unconcious efforts of mentioning the supremacy

> of Hinduism. Whereas the reality is lied far beyond

> it, nearly half of the Indian population is

> illiterate and live below povery line with a very

> high ratio of HIV+ and other chronic disease. Sorry

> to say but what sort of last birth/Moksha it is?

> full of pain, ignorance and destitute. Religion

> gives a mysterious shelter to insecure and

> fatalistic man, but it can't helpful in removing

> doubts of a logical mind. I think the logic cant

> prove belief and belief is the name of faith in

> beyond logic.

> Actually, Slavery(in multiple senses), Poverty, and

> Ignorance are the real Rakhshas of this Kali-Yug,

> and a Ravan like behaviour is unavoidable to get

> real Moksha.

> Regards,

> M.Iman

>

> monmuk111 wrote: Hi Visti:

>

> You're making this very confusing for me. I thought

> we are born to

> pay for prior-life sins and the soul doesn't have

> any CHOICE over it--

> if you live a good life, you attain moksha and

> become one with god,

> if you live a bad life, god kicks you back to earth

> to suffer for

> your sins.

>

> Now, you say that the Soul has a choice. If Soul has

> a choice, than

> is Soul consious? I though Soul and consciousness

> are two different

> things.

>

> Let me explain what I'm trying to say with an

> example. I love Scotch

> whiskey, and my soul want to ACHIEVE the enjoyment

> of more whiskey,

> does my soul have a CHOICE to be re-born just so

> that I can enjoy

> more whiskey? Thanks.

>

> MD

>

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen"

> <vishnu@l...> wrote:

> > Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah

> >

> >

>

--

> ------------

> >

> > Dear MD,

> > When you were blasted into existance, you were so,

> due to a strong

> desire on your souls part. The soul wanted to

> achieve something, and

> this is part of the reason for everyones

> rebirth(apart from the need

> to atone sins).

> > This achievement is personal and sometimes

> involves very harsh

> lessons where we have to learn some truths, which

> will help us

> advance and move towards God.

> >

> > The worshp of the Istha Devata helps us atone for

> these things

> easier, and gives us all the answers to our rebirth.

> Naturally ones

> actions will be colored by this worship, and hence

> you are in a way

> right about our actions being more important.. Yet i

> find

> realisation/enlightenment more important.

> >

> > Actually the Istha Devata is Maha Vishnu, but only

> rarely are

> people able to see/understand this clearly..

> Personal deity? Yes

> indeed. This worship leads to Moksha eventually, by

> helping us

> understand the lessons we are put through in life.

> >

> > Best wishes, Visti.

> > -

> > monmuk111

> > vedic astrology

> > Friday, September 13, 2002 11:45 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Ista Devta and

> Atheist - Gurus

> please do respond

> >

> >

> > Vas:

> >

> > After reading your mail, this I feel is your

> central question--

> "why

> > emphasis on Ista-Devta to achieve Moksha and is

> worship of Ista-

> Devta

> > the shortest way to moksha?"

> >

> > My answer to you is not an interpretation of

> Hindu scripture, but

> my

> > personal opinion.

> >

> > Firstly, I feel that Ista-Devta is just your

> PERSONAL GOD.

> Worship of

> > Ista-Devta neither shortens nor extends the

> "time needed" for

> moksha.

> > I feel that if I were to worship my Ista-Devata,

> I'd expereience

> most

> > joy, peace and serenity.

> >

> > Secondly, I feel there is no "emphasis" on

> Ista-Devta. I'm a

> Hindu

> > and I heard the concept of Ista-Devta just a few

> days back on

> this

> > board. When I go to my parents' home in India, I

> see all kinds of

> > gods being worshipped, not just the Ista-Devta.

> >

> > Thridly, the act of worship is a

> misnomer--standing in front of

> god,

> > putting two hands together and praying is not

> worship. Your true

> > worship is your karma (your deeds). You could be

> a multi-

> millioner

> > and you could be donating millions for building

> of temples, but

> if

> > your Karma (deeds) are horrible, you're

> definitely going to be re-

> > born.

> >

> > I feel when Visti and Hari and Sanjay are

> calculating the Ista-

> Devta,

> > they're calculating someone's personal god/diety

> and nothing

> more,

> > nothing less.

> >

> > I'm too young to fully understand all these

> concepts, I'm hoping

> a

> > learned guru participates in this discussion.

> >

> > MD

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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